Fan since 1977 – the problem with that you’ll have to figure out who to send the Royals to get Blanco back, since Wren et al thought Rick Ankiel was a better option…
This news made me jump up and down happily. I didn’t like Melky in a Braves uniform, and he certainly deserved my wrath the way he played – he played with no heart, and certainly couldn’t come through in clutch situations. “Tying run at second, two out, bottom of the ninth, Melky Cabrera comes to the plate…” pretty much meant the game would soon be over with a groundout.
As far as shortstops in the minors. I saw Pastornicky play a little in double A this year. He’s got a nice approach at the plate. I don’t know how good he could be, but he hit the ball hard. Good doubles type hitter.
Lowe can’t be dealt – no one will take that contract – and frankly, I thought he pitched great down the stretch and in the playoffs for us. JJ is the most likely to be dealt.
Our rotation if JJ is dealt will be Huddy, D-Lowe, Hanson, Beachy & Minor. KK is going to have to have a monster spring if he’s gonna get back in the rotation. Too bad we don’t get Medlen back until 2012.
Lots of holes to fill for next season.
LF, CF, 1B, 3B
Conrad can’t come back. His defense is just terrible and showed nothing when batting 3-4 times a game.
Chipper is a question mark to return. Even if he does, He hasn’t hit well in two years.
Something is wrong with McLouth. Not only can he no longer hit, he’s struggling in center field and looks like he might kill himself in left field. He should go.
Need a closer (Venters?) and a setup man. A rookie at 1B next year … in a lite hitting offense? We need at least one and probably two more legit bats.
After the retirement talk passed Chipper was one if not the best hitter the Braves had until he got hurt. Is he the MVP player he once was? Nope, but our lineup lost a lot after he went down to injury.
I had two favorite Melky moments this year and by favorite I mean moments that really Pi$$ed me off. The first was Melky’s throw to the RF fence from center with runners circling the bases. If that had been Escobar Bobby would have stabbed him. I really enjoyed watching him laugh after.
My second was being at Turner Field watching Uggla crush a ball off the LF wall and Melky never moved a muscle until the ball hit the wall and bounced toward the infield. Had he broke on the ball no way Uggla gets to second because it waas hit so hard he was barely out of the box when it hit the wall. He would not have scored without the double. His lack of ambition again cost the Braves a run. He got booed pretty bad over that one.
Stop the love affair with Frenchy, enough is enough. Oh and everyone should thank the Yankees for out bidding us for Burnett. I bet the Yanks with they had paid what we did for Lowe. Oh yeah someone said Penske, I don’t know if I can watch him the whole season, just too odd. Go get Uggla and plant him in left field then see how much it’ll take for Vernon Wells.
After the retirement talk passed Chipper was one if not the best hitter the Braves had until he got hurt. Is he the MVP player he once was? Nope, but our lineup lost a lot after he went down to injury.
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Bull we were better with an injured Prado and Infante….get real
Could not disagree more. Conrad’s role is a PH off the bench. He excels at it and I want him back.
Chipper was swinging a great bat when he got hurt, and do not underestimate his effect on this team – we were under .500 after he got hurt. Granted he is not an everyday player anymore, but if healthy he is a perfect 2 hole hitter next year with his OBP and bat control.
I’m skeptical of McLouth but he did find his swing in September. And we’re stuck with him — get over it. Liberty Media will not eat his salary and release him, and he couldn’t be traded for a box of balls right now. And there is nothing wrong with his glove. And he has good speed.
Venters will be our set up man and Kimbrell our closer. Wagner groomed Kimbrell to take over as closer. He was one strike away from shutting down Game 3 of the Division Series. He is the only one on the staff who can hit 100 on the gun.
Freddie Freeman will be fine at first. He can hit. And with power.
Agree on one thing – we need a bopper in LF or CF. Werth or Dunn. But our ownership won’t spend the $$.
The Braves have a solid core of Role Players…they have McCann, Heyward, Prado and A hole at third base and LF/1st base…… We take our chances with Freddie, not expecting a superstar, that leaves 3B and LF……. Center field belongs to McOut so Ankiel and Diaz must go to help pay for chipper…… Go with speed and defense until we can knock the old chip off the block
Bring Frenchy back??? Have you not watched his pathetic performance playing for Texas in the playoffs. He has the lowest b/a on the team and the same non productive swing that got him traded in the first place.
My husband could tell you, when I saw Melky coming up to bat in the bottom of the 9th, 2 out and the tying run on 2nd in Game 4, I was screaming WTH CAN WE PINCH HIT FOR MELKY???? Please, Bobby, PH for Melky. My heart sank when he indeed strode to the plate.
And for the last freaking time, Larry A, Melky was the throw-in on the deal that brought Dunn and Vizcaiano (sp?) to the Braves. He was not the main objective in that trade.
Larry A: I presume you’re not familiar with Arodys Vizcaino and how he’s regarded? And they also got Mike Dunn, a solid young lefty reliever. You might also want to check out how Javy pitched this season with Yankees, and in previous seasons. A case could surely be made that he was due for a return to a more typical season for him, rather than a repeat of the career-best season he had in 2009.
It blew my mind when I read that an arbitration-eligible Cabrera could have “expected a raise” from the 3.1 million he made this years. That Four HR’s, .255 BA,.317 OBP, and 47 rbi – merits a raise from $3.1m says something.
Naboo: Well, you’re not going to hear that about Gonzalez. Wren stated it clearly last week that the Braves have him penciled in for SS and expect good things from him in 2011. At $2.5 mill, few if any teams would dump a player with his production and defense.
Sure A-Gon probably isn’t going to hit more than 14 HR next year, but there is no way the Braves let him got when it costs virtually nothing(baseball money) to keep him.
To those that want him gone, what other options do we have right now? He is a superb defender, although he made some errors towards the end of the year.
some of you people dont know what you are talking about!
1st of all…… swinging at the first pitch is not always a bad thing. Allot of the time, the first pitch is the best pitch that you will get the whole at-bat. So dont get mad at Melkey or Alex for swinging at it!
I think it was a great idea getting read of Melkey. Now the Braves need to
get red of either Nate or Ankiel then see if Worth will play with us!
I know I know…. Heyward and Worth both play right….. Heyward is young…. you mean to tell me he could not play center or left field? Just a thought…
Nurse Ratched said there would be seasons like this….I can’t think of one position player acquired by the Braves during the season that actually played up to the back of his baseball card….Gonzalez, Lee, Ankiel, Cabrerra all were busts….This was not Bobby Cox or TP’s fault….unbelievable
DOB, why does everyone think that ownership will not sign a calibur player of my potential, you need speed, you need leadoff help to allow Prado to hit in the 2 slot when Infante is not inserted, I give you a nice arm in the outfield and with me and Jey Hey in the corners, we have enough speed to pinch towards Center and take away the Deep Ball. The arrival of Carl Crawford could eliminate multiple holes for us, SPEED ON THE BASES/FIELD, LEADOFF W/POWER, LEFTY, AND WILL BUSS HIS BUTT IN THE OFF SEASON ALWAYS TRYING TO GET BETTER!…..NOT TO MENTION, NO OFF THE FIELD PROBLEMS, WHY ISN’T THIS PLAYER A POTENTIAL BRAVE???
Is he a free agent or would we need to deal for him? Doubt Florida would deal him within the division. Plus, the organization is going to give Chipper a shot at third if he rehabs the knee.
I think Carl is a product worth the price, if we have to which I think we will, free up cash by inserting freeman at 1st and breaking ties with Lee and Glaus, thing is, if we let Lee go, we need a sure first basemen if we aren’t going to sign CARL CRAWFORD, we might have to look elsewhere at 1st base but with the signing of Carl, we can afford to play Freeman 100 + next year………
If Liberty would just allow 100 million dollar payroll, the Braves could afford to make a major signing this offseason….but we know that is not going to happen
Get a good hitting coach first, sign or trade for a power hitting outfielder, hope that McLouth can show his batting form taught by minor league hitting coach at Gwinnett, and bring back healthy the starters from last season. Infante needs to play regularly somewhere or super sub him at 2nd and 3rd bases, shortstop, and outfield, he can hit, work on any weaknesses if any he has but play him almost everyday.
Bye, Melk…it’s been interesting to watch you play. Somebody will pick him up, he’s young and a switcheroo guy. Needs to go on P90X, though!! I liked Takashi, he’s just a little too old and worn down. Thanks for the innings last season. I, for one, have NOT emotionally moved on. I’m actually watching and rooting for the Giants, because I detest the Phils and I appreciate the class they showed Bobby. Also DeRo is kinda on the team even though not playing right now. Here’s my daily plug: resign MattE D!! He’ll learn any position you want him to. I bet he’d be fine as a backup at 1st, just needs to learn it.
YES!!!!!! Thank you DOB, my day is now complete! Even if he was our 2nd best OF, that did no justice, he hurt us many many times. Go Braves 2011! I’m stoked already.
Seriously, we need a LF with pop; preferably right-handed. Who that is, I don’t know.
Secondly, we’d better not count on Chipper; he should be gravy, a bonus. So, that means have a plan B ready to roll; a legit corner infielder with pop; not a middle infielder moved over there to the hot corner for emergency purposes.
Well, at least we’ll always have the memory of him groundly out weakly to end the division series against the Giants with the tying run in scoring position.
What does it say about the state of the game when Melky could have expected a raise in arbitration of his $3M salary with such an anemic performance? And, what kind of lotto will Lee win (with the Yankees) after the series?
Screw Milton—- I was hoping The Braves would get lucky and pawn McClouth off on someone. That will be hard to do. I like Borbon, I think he might have played college ball at Tenn.
For all the announcers saying Posey is the runaway ROY winner (In the Braves series); He’s hit cleanup 6 times and 3rd today (in 7 playoff games) and he has 0HR and 0RBI.
It’s absolutely shocking that Frank Wren allowed these guys to be released. He told us when he brought them in that they were great additions to the roster. Of course, he said the same thing about Kenshin Kawakami, Troy Glaus, Derrek Lee and Rick Ankiel.
SR- Have you watched any Braves games this year…or last year? Your comment about Diaz was totally off base. He has been a huge contributor for this club and is one of the biggest bargains on the team. Not to mention, he may be the best bat in all of the NL against lefty pitching.
I know that Hobo….I was referring to all the announcers claiming he was the second coming and that he should win the ROY. He has done nothing with power and hasn’t driven in a run this postseason. Even his hits in the NLDS were not smoked.
I know that this next comment may draw some jeers but I will bring it up regardless….
What do you think of giving Wilkin Ramirez a few chances in CF. From my observation of his (brief) history he could fit all the Braves needs despite being a little wet behind the ears. Some Positive things to note:
1. He is a CF
2. He is a RH hitter.
3. He has blazing speed (something we need desperately).
4. He hit over .300 in his brief/limited appearances for the Tigers when Ordonez was out.
5. He hit for some power in Gwinnett in his brief time there since coming to Atlanta.
6. He was the #6 prospect in the Tiger’s system
Now the negatives:
1. He is a rookie and a relatively unknown quantity.
2. He is probably not going to be THE big bat we are looking to add, even though he did hit well at AAA and in his brief MLB stint.
After weighing the positives with the negatives I would like to see him in Spring Training and see how he plays. If he looks good then he gives us at worst a decent option off the bench.
Now your thoughts?
(Oh, and thank goodness Melky is gone!!
He was just awful in every aspect of the game. He did not hit for average or power. He was the antithesis of speed. His fielding did not even rise to the level of mediocre and worst of all he showed almost no effort whatsoever and came up laughing every time he made an error.) Why in the world would anyone ever offer this guy 3.1 mil for the above attributes?…
No Frozen, that was a horrible trade… Not as bad as the Texeira trade, but on the line of Adam Wainewright for JD Drew deal… HORRIBLE. Oh, by the way for the COX lovers. How did that “CLUB HOUSE CHEMISTRY” DEAL WORK OUT?
Ok, so how did the Braves “release” Saito when he was only on a 1 year contract….and his year is up…..doesnt that make him a free agent anyway? Why is everyone acting like the Braves made this move when all they did was pretty much advise that we wouldnt be extending another contract to him?
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe ’cause he doesn’t have the 6 yrs in, so that Braves might still control him otherwise? And he just circumvented that contractually?
[...] GM Frank Wren. According to several news outlets including MLB.com’s Mark Bowman and the Atlanta Journal-Constitutions’ David O’Brien, the Braves released right-handed reliever Takashi Saito and catcher J.S. Boscan. The team also [...]
Now that TP is at first base, who is going to be the hitting coach. I like TP, but he has not done well as hitting coach. Can we get Chipper’s dad, Larry Sr. ?
Do you miss Maddocks’ great pitching? How about Smolts? Ever wonder why Jones almost always got to hit back to back every two or three innings, or why his skin somehow mysteriously sometimes changed complexion?
If you have these problems maybe you should learn who the players on your favorite team are (or were) before commenting about them.
I usually do not mind spelling and will not call it out, but when you do not know or cannot spell our star player’s name it is pretty sad.
“If the Braves had kept him, arbitration-eligible Cabrera could have expected a raise from the $3.1 million he made in 2010. ”
Really? So now the arbitration system is corrupt? How ELSE would he get a raise?
Braves had to dump him because he isn’t worth half the $3.1 million to begin with. I liked Melky because he played hard, but as the year wore on he appeared heavy in the legs. His problem was being overpaid to begin with, and being cast into a role he was ill-equiped to play. It wasn’t Melky’s fault Cox kept running him out there when he should have been on the back-end of the bench.
Next step is to sign Adam Dunn as LF. Dunn is the guy who makes the most sense for the Braves in left field. He can’t be a worse fielder than the guys we played there this year and he is only free agent out there who you can pencil in for 40 HRs and 90 RBIs. In reality he fills two needs for us. A left fielder and a clean up hitter both of which we desperately need. He will also come somewhat affordable at $10 mil per season.
Step two is to trade Vizcaino to Marlins for Uggla. We’ve got enough good young starting pitching talent already (Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Medlen, Lopez, Delgado) He’s another guy who could probably sign in the $10-$12 million per year range. You can pencil him in for 30 HRs and 90 rbis. This will then allow us to move Infante to center field and our outfield woes and power shortage are over.
I hope so DawgDad.
Fan since 77..u called the GT fan a Bastard because he was a GT fan….Thats pretty low class on your part.Bastard has nothing to do with a school etc, it probably has to do with your brain problem.
I’ll pray for U.
Have a feeling this is going to be a very active off-season for Frank Wren, and sooner rather than later. Somehow he needs to do with the offense what he accomplished with the rotation and the pen last year.
Lowe’s value is up substantially over the previous year. Contract obligation is now 2 years and those 16 wins after 15 the previous year (plus a respectable if not gaudy era) will make him attractive to some teams with cash. I can see the Yankees, maybe even the Mets, taking a close look at Lowe. Maybe Lowe plus a prospect for Swisher?
If Lowe and his contract go, do the Braves consider Javy Vazquez for 4-5 slot? The guy’s obviously a NL pitcher and was a great fit just a year ago. Probably could get him for 2 years or 1+1 option at half the price of Lowe. Makes sense to me. They should still have the cash then to get a second quality outfielder.
If we are going to give up Vizcaino (which, I agree, seems likely), I would prefer not to trade him to one of our league rivals. I like the addition of Uggla but, unfortunately, I think Adam Dunn is going to cost more than just 10mil.
Maybe we can trade Vizcaino and Mike Dunn to the Brewers for Cory Hart. (Or maybe I am just pushing that one too much…)
What about Scotty Pods. Haven’t heard much about him and I think he is a FA. Hes a scrappy leadoff with good speed and average. Wouldn’t mind him roaming CF or LF. He wouldn’t be my only upgrade but hes a good place to start.
MiamiBrave, I agree that Adam Dunn would make a ton of sense in LF. He would bring the missing pop as you mentioned and he seems like a good fit chemistry-wise with this ballclub. If there is going to be a big FA signing, I really think he will be the one.
Really the biggest problem I see with his signing though (other than budget space) is the lefty heavy lineup. If McLouth were in CF, that would make 5 left handed batters in the lineup when a lefty pitches.
I would still make the signing and figure out the rest later.
Conrad can come back – he just can’t play. Seriously, his only problem was being overexposed. He’s well-suited for the Greg Norton role (as a switch-hitter with pop off the bench), just don’t run him out on the field in a critical spot.
Braves overexposed a whole host of players, it wasn’t just Conrad. They really got bit being a middle-infielder short on the bench (an experienced middle infielder, that is). Of course, they got bit in not having 2/3 of an outfield and a first baseman and a backup third baseman, too.
Looks like much of the lineup is set: McCann/Ross, Freeman, Prado/Infante, Gonzalez, Chipper/Prado, Heyward. We need two outfielders, ideally a center fielder to lead off and a right-handed left-fielder to bat fourth/fifth. The outfield acquisitions will likely make or break this team.
Braves fans. You did not give the Giants any chance to beat the Phillies. They may not have the greatest hitters in the game but their getting the job done at the right time. On paper the Braves have better bats than the Giants. Dee L, Jason H and the rest of the team stunk up the joint.
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SC Ace
October 19th, 2010
3:58 pm
Fan since 1977 – the problem with that you’ll have to figure out who to send the Royals to get Blanco back, since Wren et al thought Rick Ankiel was a better option…
Fan since 1977
October 19th, 2010
4:00 pm
Thanks, vmguru. He’s a talented kid. He’ll hit .300, steal bases and win a Gold Glove for someone, with our luck. And now Farnsworth and Lee are gone.
Fan since 1977
October 19th, 2010
4:04 pm
SC Ace – I’m sure Wren thought it was a good idea at the time.
That raises a good point – please, Frank, no scrap heap signings this year. If Jim Edmonds’ number is in your phone, delete it.
Screw Milton
October 19th, 2010
4:05 pm
Lowe needs to be on this team. Our pitching isn’t as secure as it may seem.
Can Huddy repeat this year? Probably no, but hope so.
Will Hanson get better next year? Maybe, maybe not.
Will Jurjjens be healthy? or even on the team? Maybe, maybe not.
Then what? KK? Minor? Beachy?
If Lowe were to get traded you are looking at:
Huddy, Hanson, JJ, then 2 of Minor, Beachy, KK. that sounds pretty awful
BCC0224
October 19th, 2010
4:06 pm
This news made me jump up and down happily. I didn’t like Melky in a Braves uniform, and he certainly deserved my wrath the way he played – he played with no heart, and certainly couldn’t come through in clutch situations. “Tying run at second, two out, bottom of the ninth, Melky Cabrera comes to the plate…” pretty much meant the game would soon be over with a groundout.
sportsmandh
October 19th, 2010
4:06 pm
As far as shortstops in the minors. I saw Pastornicky play a little in double A this year. He’s got a nice approach at the plate. I don’t know how good he could be, but he hit the ball hard. Good doubles type hitter.
Fan since 1977
October 19th, 2010
4:09 pm
Milton –
Lowe can’t be dealt – no one will take that contract – and frankly, I thought he pitched great down the stretch and in the playoffs for us. JJ is the most likely to be dealt.
Our rotation if JJ is dealt will be Huddy, D-Lowe, Hanson, Beachy & Minor. KK is going to have to have a monster spring if he’s gonna get back in the rotation. Too bad we don’t get Medlen back until 2012.
Screw Milton
October 19th, 2010
4:12 pm
Fan, I agree.. that’s what I was saying, that lowe cannot be dealt and that we need him in the rotation.
ChillyMutt
October 19th, 2010
4:12 pm
Lots of holes to fill for next season.
LF, CF, 1B, 3B
Conrad can’t come back. His defense is just terrible and showed nothing when batting 3-4 times a game.
Chipper is a question mark to return. Even if he does, He hasn’t hit well in two years.
Something is wrong with McLouth. Not only can he no longer hit, he’s struggling in center field and looks like he might kill himself in left field. He should go.
Need a closer (Venters?) and a setup man. A rookie at 1B next year … in a lite hitting offense? We need at least one and probably two more legit bats.
nemov
October 19th, 2010
4:15 pm
After the retirement talk passed Chipper was one if not the best hitter the Braves had until he got hurt. Is he the MVP player he once was? Nope, but our lineup lost a lot after he went down to injury.
glord1
October 19th, 2010
4:15 pm
I had two favorite Melky moments this year and by favorite I mean moments that really Pi$$ed me off. The first was Melky’s throw to the RF fence from center with runners circling the bases. If that had been Escobar Bobby would have stabbed him. I really enjoyed watching him laugh after.
My second was being at Turner Field watching Uggla crush a ball off the LF wall and Melky never moved a muscle until the ball hit the wall and bounced toward the infield. Had he broke on the ball no way Uggla gets to second because it waas hit so hard he was barely out of the box when it hit the wall. He would not have scored without the double. His lack of ambition again cost the Braves a run. He got booed pretty bad over that one.
I will not miss him.
SC Smith
October 19th, 2010
4:22 pm
Stop the love affair with Frenchy, enough is enough. Oh and everyone should thank the Yankees for out bidding us for Burnett. I bet the Yanks with they had paid what we did for Lowe. Oh yeah someone said Penske, I don’t know if I can watch him the whole season, just too odd. Go get Uggla and plant him in left field then see how much it’ll take for Vernon Wells.
Braves Fan Since "80
October 19th, 2010
4:24 pm
After the retirement talk passed Chipper was one if not the best hitter the Braves had until he got hurt. Is he the MVP player he once was? Nope, but our lineup lost a lot after he went down to injury.
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Bull we were better with an injured Prado and Infante….get real
Lloyd Christmas
October 19th, 2010
4:27 pm
Fan since 1977,
Damn straight, and the same with the Giants over the Phillies. To hell with watching a WS between two teams with a combined $400M+ in payroll.
Naboo the Enigma
October 19th, 2010
4:27 pm
All I want to hear is when Gonzo is getting his pink slip. Dude sucks…
Larry A
October 19th, 2010
4:29 pm
The Javier Vasquez trade fiasco is complete. Gave up a top of the line starter and got a mediocre player for one season who was summarily cut.
mark bradley's 70's fro and mustache
October 19th, 2010
4:30 pm
This just in, KK was just traded to a local highschool for players to be named later…..
Fan since 1977
October 19th, 2010
4:30 pm
ChillyMutt –
Could not disagree more. Conrad’s role is a PH off the bench. He excels at it and I want him back.
Chipper was swinging a great bat when he got hurt, and do not underestimate his effect on this team – we were under .500 after he got hurt. Granted he is not an everyday player anymore, but if healthy he is a perfect 2 hole hitter next year with his OBP and bat control.
I’m skeptical of McLouth but he did find his swing in September. And we’re stuck with him — get over it. Liberty Media will not eat his salary and release him, and he couldn’t be traded for a box of balls right now. And there is nothing wrong with his glove. And he has good speed.
Venters will be our set up man and Kimbrell our closer. Wagner groomed Kimbrell to take over as closer. He was one strike away from shutting down Game 3 of the Division Series. He is the only one on the staff who can hit 100 on the gun.
Freddie Freeman will be fine at first. He can hit. And with power.
Agree on one thing – we need a bopper in LF or CF. Werth or Dunn. But our ownership won’t spend the $$.
Braves Fan Since "80
October 19th, 2010
4:34 pm
The Braves have a solid core of Role Players…they have McCann, Heyward, Prado and A hole at third base and LF/1st base…… We take our chances with Freddie, not expecting a superstar, that leaves 3B and LF……. Center field belongs to McOut so Ankiel and Diaz must go to help pay for chipper…… Go with speed and defense until we can knock the old chip off the block
Mikey
October 19th, 2010
4:37 pm
Bring Frenchy back??? Have you not watched his pathetic performance playing for Texas in the playoffs. He has the lowest b/a on the team and the same non productive swing that got him traded in the first place.
bravesgrl4life
October 19th, 2010
4:37 pm
My husband could tell you, when I saw Melky coming up to bat in the bottom of the 9th, 2 out and the tying run on 2nd in Game 4, I was screaming WTH CAN WE PINCH HIT FOR MELKY???? Please, Bobby, PH for Melky. My heart sank when he indeed strode to the plate.
And for the last freaking time, Larry A, Melky was the throw-in on the deal that brought Dunn and Vizcaiano (sp?) to the Braves. He was not the main objective in that trade.
David O'Brien
October 19th, 2010
4:37 pm
Larry A: I presume you’re not familiar with Arodys Vizcaino and how he’s regarded? And they also got Mike Dunn, a solid young lefty reliever. You might also want to check out how Javy pitched this season with Yankees, and in previous seasons. A case could surely be made that he was due for a return to a more typical season for him, rather than a repeat of the career-best season he had in 2009.
Bravesfan54
October 19th, 2010
4:38 pm
It blew my mind when I read that an arbitration-eligible Cabrera could have “expected a raise” from the 3.1 million he made this years. That Four HR’s, .255 BA,.317 OBP, and 47 rbi – merits a raise from $3.1m says something.
David O'Brien
October 19th, 2010
4:39 pm
Naboo: Well, you’re not going to hear that about Gonzalez. Wren stated it clearly last week that the Braves have him penciled in for SS and expect good things from him in 2011. At $2.5 mill, few if any teams would dump a player with his production and defense.
dap01
October 19th, 2010
4:40 pm
I hope Wren don’t repeat the last two years waiting for the bargain basement outfielders before picking what is left over.
Wren has a simple job, we need a left fielder (should be easiest position in baseball to fill) and a center fielder.
We have two needs. We have had those two needs for 3 straight years.
Screw Milton
October 19th, 2010
4:42 pm
Sure A-Gon probably isn’t going to hit more than 14 HR next year, but there is no way the Braves let him got when it costs virtually nothing(baseball money) to keep him.
To those that want him gone, what other options do we have right now? He is a superb defender, although he made some errors towards the end of the year.
#1 GT FAN
October 19th, 2010
4:42 pm
some of you people dont know what you are talking about!
1st of all…… swinging at the first pitch is not always a bad thing. Allot of the time, the first pitch is the best pitch that you will get the whole at-bat. So dont get mad at Melkey or Alex for swinging at it!
I think it was a great idea getting read of Melkey. Now the Braves need to
get red of either Nate or Ankiel then see if Worth will play with us!
I know I know…. Heyward and Worth both play right….. Heyward is young…. you mean to tell me he could not play center or left field? Just a thought…
GO JACKETS!!!!
Fan since 1977
October 19th, 2010
4:43 pm
I want Diaz back – he wears out lefties and can bat ANYWHERE in the lineup. And who the heck said he was fat?
Fan since 1977
October 19th, 2010
4:47 pm
Hey, bug -
Werth and Heyward can both play either CF or RF, rather have J-Hey in RF cause he’s a lefty.
Oh, and 8 out of 9. GO DAWGS!!!!
jim
October 19th, 2010
4:48 pm
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ph
October 19th, 2010
4:48 pm
I guess it was predetermined whoever made the last out to end Bobby’s career was automatically off the team.
Webster's Police
October 19th, 2010
4:48 pm
Spelling people, spelling. Spell these names correctly:
Melky
Werth
Hinske
Wagner
Saito
Venters
Heyward
You’d think after looking at their jerseys all year we could spell their names.
Are you guys related to the guy sitting in front of me at game 3 talking about how “Heywood went to Henry County High”?
Phil
October 19th, 2010
4:48 pm
Don’t look now but Gregor Blanco hit .274 this season.
Fan since 1977
October 19th, 2010
4:49 pm
Webster –
Have mercy on him, the poor bastard is a Tech fan.
mark bradley's 70's fro and mustache
October 19th, 2010
4:49 pm
What about uggla at 2nd and prado at third?
Randle P. McMurphy
October 19th, 2010
4:49 pm
Nurse Ratched said there would be seasons like this….I can’t think of one position player acquired by the Braves during the season that actually played up to the back of his baseball card….Gonzalez, Lee, Ankiel, Cabrerra all were busts….This was not Bobby Cox or TP’s fault….unbelievable
Carl Crawford
October 19th, 2010
4:51 pm
DOB, why does everyone think that ownership will not sign a calibur player of my potential, you need speed, you need leadoff help to allow Prado to hit in the 2 slot when Infante is not inserted, I give you a nice arm in the outfield and with me and Jey Hey in the corners, we have enough speed to pinch towards Center and take away the Deep Ball. The arrival of Carl Crawford could eliminate multiple holes for us, SPEED ON THE BASES/FIELD, LEADOFF W/POWER, LEFTY, AND WILL BUSS HIS BUTT IN THE OFF SEASON ALWAYS TRYING TO GET BETTER!…..NOT TO MENTION, NO OFF THE FIELD PROBLEMS, WHY ISN’T THIS PLAYER A POTENTIAL BRAVE???
Fan since 1977
October 19th, 2010
4:52 pm
Mustache –
Is he a free agent or would we need to deal for him? Doubt Florida would deal him within the division. Plus, the organization is going to give Chipper a shot at third if he rehabs the knee.
Ricky Ticky Tavi
October 19th, 2010
4:53 pm
Breaking news:
The Braves sign Keith Lockhart to play 1B. Bobby Cox recommended this move because Keith can also play 3B and 2B.
Great move!!!!
Carl Crawford
October 19th, 2010
4:54 pm
NOT TO MENTION, I’M 29 WITH 8 YEARS EXP……..C’MON MAN!
Steve From Dalton
October 19th, 2010
4:55 pm
Bottom line: Melky was a 4th outfielder that never should have been starting for the Braves.
Liberty Media
October 19th, 2010
4:56 pm
Carl –
It’s cause we only look at the bottom line. If you want someone who cares about winning, tell Ted to buy back the club.
Steve From Dalton
October 19th, 2010
4:58 pm
The Braves will not go after Crawford for one reason: M-O-N-E-Y
Red Sox are going to be in the mix and the Braves are not going to pay 15 Million + for him
Carl Crawford
October 19th, 2010
5:03 pm
I think Carl is a product worth the price, if we have to which I think we will, free up cash by inserting freeman at 1st and breaking ties with Lee and Glaus, thing is, if we let Lee go, we need a sure first basemen if we aren’t going to sign CARL CRAWFORD, we might have to look elsewhere at 1st base but with the signing of Carl, we can afford to play Freeman 100 + next year………
Biff Pocoroba
October 19th, 2010
5:05 pm
Let me be the new hitting coach,
GTSteve
October 19th, 2010
5:12 pm
If Liberty would just allow 100 million dollar payroll, the Braves could afford to make a major signing this offseason….but we know that is not going to happen
Nahila
October 19th, 2010
5:12 pm
Get a good hitting coach first, sign or trade for a power hitting outfielder, hope that McLouth can show his batting form taught by minor league hitting coach at Gwinnett, and bring back healthy the starters from last season. Infante needs to play regularly somewhere or super sub him at 2nd and 3rd bases, shortstop, and outfield, he can hit, work on any weaknesses if any he has but play him almost everyday.
Old Ball Fan
October 19th, 2010
5:16 pm
Melky is a step in the right direction, with soooooooooo many more steps to take!
JeanE
October 19th, 2010
5:17 pm
Bye, Melk…it’s been interesting to watch you play. Somebody will pick him up, he’s young and a switcheroo guy. Needs to go on P90X, though!! I liked Takashi, he’s just a little too old and worn down. Thanks for the innings last season. I, for one, have NOT emotionally moved on. I’m actually watching and rooting for the Giants, because I detest the Phils and I appreciate the class they showed Bobby. Also DeRo is kinda on the team even though not playing right now. Here’s my daily plug: resign MattE D!! He’ll learn any position you want him to. I bet he’d be fine as a backup at 1st, just needs to learn it.
N Nine (Melky sucks!)
October 19th, 2010
5:21 pm
YES!!!!!! Thank you DOB, my day is now complete! Even if he was our 2nd best OF, that did no justice, he hurt us many many times. Go Braves 2011! I’m stoked already.
JonnyVenter'sLeftArm
October 19th, 2010
5:24 pm
Will Fredi G. be too afraid to move Chippy from the 3-hole?
NickGranite
October 19th, 2010
5:24 pm
Watching Melke try to cut off gappers was always frustrating. It’s like he picked a spot where the ball was 3 seconds ago and ran in that direction.
JonnyVenter'sLeftArm
October 19th, 2010
5:26 pm
Seriously, we need a LF with pop; preferably right-handed. Who that is, I don’t know.
Secondly, we’d better not count on Chipper; he should be gravy, a bonus. So, that means have a plan B ready to roll; a legit corner infielder with pop; not a middle infielder moved over there to the hot corner for emergency purposes.
Mitchell
October 19th, 2010
5:29 pm
Well, at least we’ll always have the memory of him groundly out weakly to end the division series against the Giants with the tying run in scoring position.
That counts for something, doesn’t it?
Einsteindawg
October 19th, 2010
5:34 pm
What does it say about the state of the game when Melky could have expected a raise in arbitration of his $3M salary with such an anemic performance? And, what kind of lotto will Lee win (with the Yankees) after the series?
Bill M.
October 19th, 2010
5:34 pm
Screw Milton—- I was hoping The Braves would get lucky and pawn McClouth off on someone. That will be hard to do. I like Borbon, I think he might have played college ball at Tenn.
Captain Lou Albano
October 19th, 2010
5:35 pm
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
menlobrave
October 19th, 2010
5:36 pm
Is Cody Ross hot, or what? Go Giants. I really hate the Phillies
Braint
October 19th, 2010
5:37 pm
For all the announcers saying Posey is the runaway ROY winner (In the Braves series); He’s hit cleanup 6 times and 3rd today (in 7 playoff games) and he has 0HR and 0RBI.
Hobo
October 19th, 2010
5:40 pm
Postseason has nothing to do with ROY
Kyle
October 19th, 2010
5:45 pm
How Melky kept his spot on the 40 man roster all year long is still a mystery to me.
I just don't get it???
October 19th, 2010
5:47 pm
Frenchy in left and Andruw in center would be huge improvement over what we had this year.
Einsteindawg
October 19th, 2010
5:50 pm
How ’bout KK on the mound as starter and Kolb as closer…makes as much sense.
Reid Adair
October 19th, 2010
5:50 pm
It’s absolutely shocking that Frank Wren allowed these guys to be released. He told us when he brought them in that they were great additions to the roster. Of course, he said the same thing about Kenshin Kawakami, Troy Glaus, Derrek Lee and Rick Ankiel.
ronald
October 19th, 2010
5:52 pm
SR
October 19th, 2010
1:01 pm
SR- Have you watched any Braves games this year…or last year? Your comment about Diaz was totally off base. He has been a huge contributor for this club and is one of the biggest bargains on the team. Not to mention, he may be the best bat in all of the NL against lefty pitching.
Braint
October 19th, 2010
5:56 pm
I know that Hobo….I was referring to all the announcers claiming he was the second coming and that he should win the ROY. He has done nothing with power and hasn’t driven in a run this postseason. Even his hits in the NLDS were not smoked.
Looking Forward to Freddies (both of them)
October 19th, 2010
5:56 pm
I know that this next comment may draw some jeers but I will bring it up regardless….
What do you think of giving Wilkin Ramirez a few chances in CF. From my observation of his (brief) history he could fit all the Braves needs despite being a little wet behind the ears. Some Positive things to note:
1. He is a CF
2. He is a RH hitter.
3. He has blazing speed (something we need desperately).
4. He hit over .300 in his brief/limited appearances for the Tigers when Ordonez was out.
5. He hit for some power in Gwinnett in his brief time there since coming to Atlanta.
6. He was the #6 prospect in the Tiger’s system
Now the negatives:
1. He is a rookie and a relatively unknown quantity.
2. He is probably not going to be THE big bat we are looking to add, even though he did hit well at AAA and in his brief MLB stint.
After weighing the positives with the negatives I would like to see him in Spring Training and see how he plays. If he looks good then he gives us at worst a decent option off the bench.
Now your thoughts?
(Oh, and thank goodness Melky is gone!!
He was just awful in every aspect of the game. He did not hit for average or power. He was the antithesis of speed. His fielding did not even rise to the level of mediocre and worst of all he showed almost no effort whatsoever and came up laughing every time he made an error.) Why in the world would anyone ever offer this guy 3.1 mil for the above attributes?…
Frozen Rope
October 19th, 2010
5:59 pm
The Melkman didnt deliver,,, In other news I see the Giants are on top of the mighty Phillies in the bottom of the 6th,, interesting
JOD
October 19th, 2010
6:02 pm
SO……. WHEN ARE WE RELEASING THAT DEAD WEIGHT ALEX GONZALEZ FROM THE TEAM… THAT GUY BLOWS CHUNKS HARD!!!
Frozen Rope
October 19th, 2010
6:04 pm
your correct JOD,,, that was a bad trade imho
Ted Turner
October 19th, 2010
6:07 pm
Melky, I am proud of you. I will miss you. Regards, Ted
JOD
October 19th, 2010
6:09 pm
No Frozen, that was a horrible trade… Not as bad as the Texeira trade, but on the line of Adam Wainewright for JD Drew deal… HORRIBLE. Oh, by the way for the COX lovers. How did that “CLUB HOUSE CHEMISTRY” DEAL WORK OUT?
Derek B
October 19th, 2010
6:15 pm
Ok, so how did the Braves “release” Saito when he was only on a 1 year contract….and his year is up…..doesnt that make him a free agent anyway? Why is everyone acting like the Braves made this move when all they did was pretty much advise that we wouldnt be extending another contract to him?
Juan
October 19th, 2010
6:23 pm
Don’t for forlgot we have another Cabrera In the Minor…don’t be confuse with Melky,,It’s Willi
Jimmy Beam, you are my friend
October 19th, 2010
6:24 pm
Derek B,
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe ’cause he doesn’t have the 6 yrs in, so that Braves might still control him otherwise? And he just circumvented that contractually?
Frozen Rope
October 19th, 2010
6:28 pm
Websters Police,, its hard to hold a crack pipe and spell correctly,, just sayin
jayvee
October 19th, 2010
6:32 pm
I never understood how Melky got so much time in the Yanks’ outfield. He waddles.
jayvee
October 19th, 2010
6:35 pm
If Dale Murphy can play center, Heywood sure as heck could, too.
Mitchell
October 19th, 2010
6:39 pm
JOD,
1991 called. It wants “blow chunks” back.
Looking Forward to Freddies (both of them)
October 19th, 2010
6:48 pm
Who is “Heywood”? Does he play for Atlanta?
JOD
October 19th, 2010
6:49 pm
Mitchell, too late “Midtown Fashion Police” A Gonz gots em all.
o-me
October 19th, 2010
6:50 pm
Just watch Milky sign with a new team next year and hit 300, 20 hrs and play great D. Thats our damn luck…they get better when they leave.
Bama Brave
October 19th, 2010
6:50 pm
Greg Norton is our Hitting coach Yikes!
o-me
October 19th, 2010
6:52 pm
Giants 3 and Phillies 0 in 9th. Philly having there problems.
Atlanta Braves release Takashi Saito and J.C. Boscan | PRO Rumors
October 19th, 2010
6:52 pm
[...] GM Frank Wren. According to several news outlets including MLB.com’s Mark Bowman and the Atlanta Journal-Constitutions’ David O’Brien, the Braves released right-handed reliever Takashi Saito and catcher J.S. Boscan. The team also [...]
AJG
October 19th, 2010
6:56 pm
Now that TP is at first base, who is going to be the hitting coach. I like TP, but he has not done well as hitting coach. Can we get Chipper’s dad, Larry Sr. ?
Looking Forward to Freddies (both of them)
October 19th, 2010
6:57 pm
Do you miss Maddocks’ great pitching? How about Smolts? Ever wonder why Jones almost always got to hit back to back every two or three innings, or why his skin somehow mysteriously sometimes changed complexion?
If you have these problems maybe you should learn who the players on your favorite team are (or were) before commenting about them.
I usually do not mind spelling and will not call it out, but when you do not know or cannot spell our star player’s name it is pretty sad.
DawgDad
October 19th, 2010
7:00 pm
“If the Braves had kept him, arbitration-eligible Cabrera could have expected a raise from the $3.1 million he made in 2010. ”
Really? So now the arbitration system is corrupt? How ELSE would he get a raise?
Braves had to dump him because he isn’t worth half the $3.1 million to begin with. I liked Melky because he played hard, but as the year wore on he appeared heavy in the legs. His problem was being overpaid to begin with, and being cast into a role he was ill-equiped to play. It wasn’t Melky’s fault Cox kept running him out there when he should have been on the back-end of the bench.
MiamiBrave
October 19th, 2010
7:00 pm
Next step is to sign Adam Dunn as LF. Dunn is the guy who makes the most sense for the Braves in left field. He can’t be a worse fielder than the guys we played there this year and he is only free agent out there who you can pencil in for 40 HRs and 90 RBIs. In reality he fills two needs for us. A left fielder and a clean up hitter both of which we desperately need. He will also come somewhat affordable at $10 mil per season.
Step two is to trade Vizcaino to Marlins for Uggla. We’ve got enough good young starting pitching talent already (Minor, Beachy, Teheran, Medlen, Lopez, Delgado) He’s another guy who could probably sign in the $10-$12 million per year range. You can pencil him in for 30 HRs and 90 rbis. This will then allow us to move Infante to center field and our outfield woes and power shortage are over.
DawgDad
October 19th, 2010
7:02 pm
“Just watch Milky sign with a new team next year and hit 300, 20 hrs and play great D. Thats our damn luck…they get better when they leave.”
You’re quite safe on this one.
Bama Brave
October 19th, 2010
7:04 pm
Infante in center field. COME ON MAN!
o-me
October 19th, 2010
7:08 pm
I hope so DawgDad.
Fan since 77..u called the GT fan a Bastard because he was a GT fan….Thats pretty low class on your part.Bastard has nothing to do with a school etc, it probably has to do with your brain problem.
I’ll pray for U.
AdirondackDave
October 19th, 2010
7:19 pm
Have a feeling this is going to be a very active off-season for Frank Wren, and sooner rather than later. Somehow he needs to do with the offense what he accomplished with the rotation and the pen last year.
Lowe’s value is up substantially over the previous year. Contract obligation is now 2 years and those 16 wins after 15 the previous year (plus a respectable if not gaudy era) will make him attractive to some teams with cash. I can see the Yankees, maybe even the Mets, taking a close look at Lowe. Maybe Lowe plus a prospect for Swisher?
If Lowe and his contract go, do the Braves consider Javy Vazquez for 4-5 slot? The guy’s obviously a NL pitcher and was a great fit just a year ago. Probably could get him for 2 years or 1+1 option at half the price of Lowe. Makes sense to me. They should still have the cash then to get a second quality outfielder.
Looking Forward to Freddies (both of them)
October 19th, 2010
7:20 pm
If we are going to give up Vizcaino (which, I agree, seems likely), I would prefer not to trade him to one of our league rivals. I like the addition of Uggla but, unfortunately, I think Adam Dunn is going to cost more than just 10mil.
Maybe we can trade Vizcaino and Mike Dunn to the Brewers for Cory Hart. (Or maybe I am just pushing that one too much…)
P'cola Brave
October 19th, 2010
7:22 pm
What about Scotty Pods. Haven’t heard much about him and I think he is a FA. Hes a scrappy leadoff with good speed and average. Wouldn’t mind him roaming CF or LF. He wouldn’t be my only upgrade but hes a good place to start.
ATL_Bama
October 19th, 2010
7:26 pm
MiamiBrave, I agree that Adam Dunn would make a ton of sense in LF. He would bring the missing pop as you mentioned and he seems like a good fit chemistry-wise with this ballclub. If there is going to be a big FA signing, I really think he will be the one.
Really the biggest problem I see with his signing though (other than budget space) is the lefty heavy lineup. If McLouth were in CF, that would make 5 left handed batters in the lineup when a lefty pitches.
I would still make the signing and figure out the rest later.
JOD
October 19th, 2010
7:28 pm
THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME TO TRADE LOWE…. LETS GET IT DONE TODAY!
DawgDad
October 19th, 2010
7:32 pm
Conrad can come back – he just can’t play. Seriously, his only problem was being overexposed. He’s well-suited for the Greg Norton role (as a switch-hitter with pop off the bench), just don’t run him out on the field in a critical spot.
Braves overexposed a whole host of players, it wasn’t just Conrad. They really got bit being a middle-infielder short on the bench (an experienced middle infielder, that is). Of course, they got bit in not having 2/3 of an outfield and a first baseman and a backup third baseman, too.
Looks like much of the lineup is set: McCann/Ross, Freeman, Prado/Infante, Gonzalez, Chipper/Prado, Heyward. We need two outfielders, ideally a center fielder to lead off and a right-handed left-fielder to bat fourth/fifth. The outfield acquisitions will likely make or break this team.
kj the gold glove winner
October 19th, 2010
7:34 pm
Braves fans. You did not give the Giants any chance to beat the Phillies. They may not have the greatest hitters in the game but their getting the job done at the right time. On paper the Braves have better bats than the Giants. Dee L, Jason H and the rest of the team stunk up the joint.
gcs
October 19th, 2010
7:44 pm
Resign Hinske!
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