12:55 pm October 19, 2010, by David O'Brien
October 19th, 201012:59 pm
And yet, somehow, the Braves were still overwhelming winners in the Vazquez trade.
October 19th, 20101:01 pm
Good riddance! One down and a few more losers to go before they imrpove MLB’s worst outfield. Don’t let the door hit your arses on the way out, Ankiel, Mclouth, Diaz etc. Pathetic.
October 19th, 20101:04 pm
Got to be an affordable R.H., power hitting outfielder out there somewhere. or 2.
October 19th, 20101:08 pm
MattyRoss are you being sarcastic or serious?
Melky, we hardly knew ye… good riddance.
It’d be nice to get a productive outfielder via trade, there are not many via free agency that are financially sound for the Braves payroll.
October 19th, 20101:09 pm
Personally, I would like to see Frenchy return and play left field. He has had some troubles over the last two years and his confidence is shaken and his swing out of whack, but I still think that in the right setting he is good for a 250 average and 18 homers with above average defense. And, the price could be right.
I would like to see some speed (real speed) in center…perhaps 40+ stolen bases. Neither Ankiel nor Mclouth are the answer and with Schafer still attempting to find his game without HGH he is still too much of a risk.
October 19th, 20101:11 pm
Melky hit the ball hard. He played great. He’s a good kid.
no more first pitch grounders to 3rd with risp and the game on the line? please….don’t take that away!!!!
October 19th, 20101:14 pm
don’t hate on Diaz. He was a good outfielder. Bobby’s love of using Melky is what hurt Diaz when he returned from his injury because of inconsistent playing time.
Watching Melky try to run down anything hit to the outfield was painful. Dude looked like he was running underwater.
Good one Bobby Cox! And if not for those 4 K’s, he would have had a couple of doubles and homers!
Hey Dave. Any reasons we jumped the gun on melk? I figured he was going to be non tendered, but it sounds like frank and co have something up their sleeves. Thoughts??
GSU Eagle 91
I’m just glad we don’t have to watch the Braves attempt to hit Cliff Lee or Roy Halliday…
Some improvement in the OF is a must or we will go nowhere in 2011.
October 19th, 20101:15 pm
Maybe some of us should furnish all of the Braves HGH for a few years. Make up for those playoff and WS losses to roiding teams: Yankees, Yankees, Blue Jays, Twins, Cards, Astros, Marlins.
October 19th, 20101:16 pm
Now we can get some one to catch the ball and hit.
Without Melky, who will we have to hit balls that are pounded into the dirt in front of home plate?
I think that Ed Mangin requested that Melky be released for the good of the dirt in front of home plate. I doubt it could have survived another year of Melky’s 35 hop groundballs.
October 19th, 20101:17 pm
Vasquez: 2009 15-10, 2010 10-10. ERA 2009 2.87, 2010 5.32. SO 2009 238, 2010 121. Mind you, these numbers are far better than Kawakami. But if the Braves had not been able to score runs for him, as they were not able to for Kawakami, what would the result have been? No Cabrera booster here, just pointing out the facts.
Wow, Melky’s only 26? He played like he was 46 and at the end of his career. Good luck finding a new contract when teams can pull up someone out of triple A and get the same results paying the league minimum.
We’ll get a stud outfielder . . . . . . . . the day after Chipper retires.
October 19th, 20101:18 pm
Keep Diaz and Heyward.Let the others go,go,go,gone!!!Even though he is obviously not an everyday player Diaz has been good off the bench.I really hope we don’t sign Andruw Jones.What about Jim Thome will he be available?
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Good riddance, Melky.
October 19th, 20101:19 pm
Heyward is starting to show some of the same problems as Frenchy did, except his ball selection is better. He has that loopy swing that can’t hit the pitch on the hands. Can you coach over that or is it something in the DNA? Both those guys are tall, wonder if that is part of the problem. I don’t think we need Frenchy back. Like to get an infielder.
October 19th, 20101:20 pm
ARE YOU KIDDING, SOME ONE SAID THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FRENCHY RETURN TO THE BRAVES….OMG! NO WAY! MILKY WAS SO OUT OF SHAPE HE COULDNT EVEN BEND OVER FOR A GROUND BALL, WHEN ARE THE OTHERS LEAVING…AINT KEE ILL, MCLOUSY, GONZALERRA ss, DLEE, DIAZ, SEND UM ON THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES!
Mark (another one)
October 19th, 20101:21 pm
Dunn and Vizciano were the value in the Vazquez trade. Melky played hard but his value was not straight up for Vazquez and Logan. Dunn gave us 19 innings this year allowing 4 runs with 27 Ks. He is about 25 years old and spent most of the year in AAA. Vizciano was 9-4 in 17 minor league (A) starts with a sub 3 ERA. And Vazquez has dropped out of site.
October 19th, 20101:22 pm
Melky took some of the weakest swings i’ve ever seen. When he popped out to the opposite field on a 2-0 count in the NLDS, he was gone in my mind.
What a waste of space…
THE BRAVES MGT,. DOES NOT NEED TO LOAD THIS TEAM DOWN WITH OVER PAID PLAYERS FROM OTHER TEAMS WHO ARE READY TO RETIRE, ATLANTA USED TO BE THE RETIREMENT HOME OF MLB MANY YEARS AGO, I FEEL ASSURED, WREN, FREDI G AND BOBBY WILL BRING IN FRESH TALENT!
October 19th, 20101:23 pm
matty ross, you smarta&&
We got Mike Dunn…a flame throwing lefty with nothing but time/potential in the future (b/c you can get guys who came up in the 8th and throw 95-96 in every corner)
On top of that we got Vizcaino who projects to be a fine major league starter.
What did the Yankees get? Oh yeah…Vazquez is what…not even in the starting rotation.
Just damn…just b/c Melky was a bust (overall) for the Braves.
Braves stole FSU chant
@ SadDawg: And the Braves weren’t “roided out” also ? Typical Braves fan.
If Frenchy comes back then we might as well sign Norton to play 1st base.
Whew….I’m all for players getting all they can get, but when a season like the one Melky just had merits a raise from $3.1 million per year then something is badly out of whack.
October 19th, 20101:24 pm
Headline I saw: “Fonda, Turner reunite to save the planet… ”
I vote the “mouth of the south” and “Hanoi Jane” reunite to save the Braves . . .
Pretty sad that a .255 avg and a .317 obp could end up getting you a raise. This is a major problem with baseball.
October 19th, 20101:25 pm
I actually didn’t mind Melky, I just felt he was miscast as a starter. I think he’s a fine fourth or fifth outfielder. Good glove, versatile, and a decent enough hitter in a backup role. I hope he can catch on somewhere that’s a better fit for him than Atlanta was.
Now that Melky is gone, I wouldn’t mind seeing us try to move Diaz either. I like Diaz, but I think we’ve been so committed to playing him in a platoon role that it’s prevented us from going out and pursuing an everyday left fielder. Aside from Heyward, I think we need to start over with this outfield. It’ll be tough because of McLouth’s immovable salary, but hopefully we still see a big shakeup.
CABRERRA WOULD GET UP TO BAT, THE PITCHER OBVIOUSLY HAVING PROBS, HECK HE WOULD SWING AT THE FIRST PITCH, HIM AND GONZALEZ…AWFUL APPROACH TO HITTING……(COAHCHING TOO, SHOULD OF MADE SURE HITTERS WERE TAKING TILL A STRIKE WAS THROWN.!)
We don’t have to watch Melky hit routine grounders anymore. AWESOME!!
October 19th, 20101:26 pm
Why is it that I never hear that Infante is an option in the outfield. Are we just going to sit an all-star on the bench and let him spot play on the infield every now and then. Just name him the starting center fielder and go after a power hitting left fielder.
October 19th, 20101:29 pm
Melky applied for a job as a pizza delivery guy, but flunked the audition. The pizza was eaten by the time he got to the customer’s house.
Braves stole FSU chant,
You ever watch Braves games in our 14 year run? Our players always hit about .100 points UNDER their career averages in playoffs. If they took drugs, it must have been sleeping pills!
Braves also got Mike Dunn and Arodys Vizcaino in the deal. Those two guys were the targets of the trade, especially Vizcaino, a top pitching prospect. To act as though we traded Javy Vazquez straight up for Melky or that Melky was the prize of the trade is just pure ignorance.
October 19th, 20101:33 pm
We need a hitting coach that will tell our hitters not to swing at the third pitch.Almost everytime we stand in the box the pitcher throws two strikes and we stand there and watch them go by,so what does the pitcher do, he throws a ball low and outside and we swing at it.We let them do it to us every time.
I agree with Jim, except that we are probably going to find no one that wants to eat McLouth’s salary, including the Braves. That means you probably have McLouth, Infante and Heyward as the outfield. If McLouth comes around, that could be a good outfield. The real point is Infante has shown he is an everyday offensive player who needs a position.
If we can get some power in left, McLouth might be a good 4th outfielder. He can play all three positions and has good speed. He needs to separate his offense from his defense so his offensive struggles don’t cause his defense to suffer. Being a 4th outfielder might also take some pressure off, and revitalize his game. The real stroke of luck will be finding a power hitter for left.
October 19th, 20101:35 pm
I know it so much fun to trash talk, but really, this team did so great with so many injuries I sit here and think. “If only.”
October 19th, 20101:36 pm
Give it up Duncan. You are right. I’ve tried explaining this a dozen times since the trade, and still some dufus still refers to the trade as Melky for Vazquez. We got Vicaino, who was the Yankees’ top pitching prospect at the time, as well as Dunn, who is gonna be great.
MELKY was the throw-in.
Good. Sooner the better.
October 19th, 20101:37 pm
Jim Thome in the OF? You serious?
October 19th, 20101:38 pm
Who knows, Nate might find his game now with a new hitting coach coming in.
October 19th, 20101:39 pm
More headlines I would like to see:
Derrick Lee signed by (insert any team but Braves here)…..
Ankiel Shipped to (insert any team but Braves here)…..
Braves get Andrus in swap for Gonzalez…
Ok, the last one was a dream sequence……
October 19th, 20101:41 pm
Chipper just needs to go ahead and retire and be our hitting coach. I want that, hell I think everyone wants that. Prado can stay at third and infante can stay at second with diaz and hinske platooning left field. We are stuck with Mcclouth for next year and we have our future in Jason Heyward in right. I think we should def keep hinske though because he was a huge part of our bench and everyone that watched the braves this year knows that.
October 19th, 20101:42 pm
“Cabrera could have expected a raise…”?
Huh? Are you kidding me? Oh, that’s right. Union man. Never mind.
October 19th, 20101:45 pm
Am I the only person among us who hasn’t moved on emotionally? Man, I love it that Braves are a stove-top team…lots of action in the off-season….but, dang it, that should have been us being creamed by the Phillies the other night….I’m just not ready to accept that we’re out of the playoffs.
October 19th, 20101:46 pm
Wonder what would have happened if the Braves had Cody Ross in the playoffs. Seems to be working pretty well for the Giants.
I honestly think Nate can get it back together, we should go after Pence for left field!
October 19th, 20101:48 pm
Interesting portion of a story written by John Shea, writer for the San Francisco Chronicle describing the Phillies approach in facing Jonathan Sanchez of the Giants in Sunday’s game. Note the reference to (and the difference in) the Braves’ approach. Not a Pendleton hater but I won’t miss him to be sure.
“One night after Tim Lincecum outdueled Roy Halladay in what was to be the Mother of All Pitching Duels, Roy Oswalt bettered them both Sunday, lasting eight innings and surrendering one run and three hits.
Sanchez wasn’t so fortunate, facing a lineup that was far more patient than Atlanta’s in Game 3 of the Division Series. The Braves chased most everything Sanchez threw near the plate, especially his sliders, and he struck out 11 and walked just one in 7 1/2 innings.
The story was different in Philly, where Charlie Manuel reminded his hitters beforehand that Sanchez led the league in walks and was susceptible to a high pitch count with a bit of plate discipline.
One night after the Giants carried out a game plan of aggressive hitting against Halladay, the Phillies did the opposite and made Sanchez work. The lefty struck out the side in a hitless first inning but required 35 pitches to get through it. Long plate appearances made Sanchez labor and assured the Giants’ bullpen would be active.
Manuel wasn’t hiding his strategy, saying before the game, “We’ve got to make him throw the ball over the plate. He’s got a real hard slider, and it’s a late-breaker. If you watch his games, the hitters chase – especially when he gets ahead of them. They chase his slider a lot, down and out of the strike zone. At times, he can get wild. He’ll walk some guys, usually around four or five. Maybe even more.”
In many ways, that was the old Sanchez. On Sunday, he walked three. To his credit, he rebounded from a sloppy start and lasted into the seventh – one batter too long, it turned out. Through six, Sanchez had surrendered two runs (one earned) and four hits. Manager Bruce Bochy let him start the seventh, and Oswalt – of all people – singled on Sanchez’s 100th pitch.
Bochy immediately summoned the bullpen, but the four-run rally was underway. Four pitchers threw in the inning, which was highlighted by Jimmy Rollins’ three-run double off Santiago Casilla.
Maybe it would have been a better ending for Sanchez if the Phillies were more free-swinging like the Braves, but several Philly hitters said the goal was to not do Sanchez any favors.
“You make him throw strikes, and when he throws ‘em, hit ‘em,” Placido Polanco said. “When he threw that slider, we tried to lay off it.”
IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS, WILL IT MAKE ME MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE?
October 19th, 20101:51 pm
The Braves did not steal the FSU chant. It was brought here by former FSU player Deion Sanders during the 1991 season.
October 19th, 20101:52 pm
Won’t be surprised if Wren asks the Mariners about Milton Bradley. The Mariners just hired Eric Wedge. He and Eric Wedge hate each other.
October 19th, 20101:54 pm
Heyward’s issue like Frenchy is a crappy hitting coach, which the Braves have dealt with. Heyward would be good to give Chipper a call this winter for some instruction.
October 19th, 20101:57 pm
I assume most of you were either watching your reruns this summer or another Braves team in a different league. No way we can proceed with the current lineup without signing a big time outfielder. Anybody that thinks Melky was an adequate defensive player is just plain blind or stupid. Ankiel, Farnsworth, Lee, and Francour are gone and forgotten. If Chipper doesn’t return, neither will the playoffs. You people wanting him to retire are idiots.
October 19th, 20101:58 pm
Forgive me Gunther. I did not realize Thome could not play the field anymore.GuesS he is better suited for DH.
October 19th, 20102:00 pm
I’d have a tough time being the GM letting Ankiel go, same with Diaz and McOut because they are good guys and there aren’t that many of them. I know this is stupid but I would like to see them do well and do it for us. I know we want keep all three. Probably McOut is in because of contract, Ankiel is out and Diaz depending on what moves can be made.
October 19th, 20102:01 pm
Won’t be surprised if Wren asks the Mariners about Milton Bradley — Jesse Stone
Milton Bradley, who hit .205 with a .292 OBP and 17 extra-base hits in 278 at-bats last season at age 32? And hit .257 with a .775 OPS in 473 at-bats the previous season? And has caused more headaches per season than anyone this side of Manny Ramirez? That Milton Bradley?
Sure, why not. Teams should be lining up to acquire that gem.
Good start for the Braves. You’d like to think the front office can sit down and build on the core but in todays world it is so hard with all the ridiculous salaries, etc. Interesting how Cabrara had a bad season but he would get a raise on his $3m salary. Doesn’t make much sense. I am confident we will have another exciting team this next year. In my opinion, play the young guys. Freeman needs to start at first and let Lee go. Shore up the outfield with players who not only can catch but also get to the ball. Pitching will be ok. Plenty of talent to pick from and you know the Braves will not trade away their pitching. My major issue is with Gonzales. He needs to become a team player and quit complaining at the umpires calls. I watched him swing at some of the worst pitches it was funny and sad at the same time. Also, the grounder he hit to the shortstop in the playoffs when he didn’t run it out. The shortstop bobbled the ball and Gonzales could have been safe if he had run it out. Attitude!! Should have been removed from the game immediately.
Cabrera is fat. I have no patience for that.
People don’t like the idea of Frenchy in LF after watching Melky’s .255, 4HR, .317 OBO? Frenchy would be an upgrade regardless how you feel about him. He’d give you the .255 avg but hit atleast 15-20 HR and drive in 75 RBI. Better than ANY of our OF’s this year including heyward. Sign him on the cheap and put him in LF. Or go after Aubrey Huff and put him in LF and then to 1B when Freddie needs a rest.
October 19th, 20102:02 pm
“OBP” oops, not OBO
October 19th, 20102:03 pm
Attention, you fellow blind, stupid, idiot posters!
We have a genius in the house!
October 19th, 20102:04 pm
Somebody needs to talk Edgar Martinez into being the Braves’ hitting coach. That guy was a GREAT hitter.
October 19th, 20102:07 pm
The Vazquez trade wasn’t nearly as bad as the Teixeira trade in which the Braves gave up a starting shortstop, a now dominating closer, another hard throwing lefty, some beach front property in Florida, five acres on West Paces Ferry, the rights to the Beatles song collection and then got a somebody still mired in the minors when they spun Tex to the Halos.
I admit I was one of the nabobs who questioned the Vazquez trade last year and I admit that I was wrong. It worked out best for the Braves in the end. Melky – yeah, I never thought he would amount to more than a warm body in the OF and that is what he was. But Dunn was pretty valuable and will be valuable next year. Vizcaino may be a front-line starter in a couple of years after Lowe and maybe also Hudson are retired.
Good riddance Melky, I knew you would suck when we got you and sure enough you did. Can we not get anymore has been Yankee players? That said, good 1st moves today.
October 19th, 20102:09 pm
Frenchy has hit 11,15,13 homeruns in the last 3 years.We don’t need him period.Another free swinger off the bench.Nope.Nada.
How serious is the Chippy in coming back? He is no star at 3rd anymore, unfortunately his performance is now far below average at 3rd after a HOF career. Hopefully he just says he is coming back for insurance purposes so the Braves can collect most of his salary from the insurer and use it to help get another 3rd baseman. Does this make sense?
October 19th, 20102:11 pm
I still haven’t gotten over the Jermaine Dye trade much less the Tex trade. Hell, I still have gotten over the Len Barker/Brett Butler trade of my childhood.
October 19th, 20102:12 pm
Maybe the Mariners and Brave can swap saleries in Mclouth and Bradley and we will get a little more power!!
October 19th, 20102:13 pm
Much rather have McOut.
This is actually a good sign. No offense, Melky…no offense.
Does anyone ever get a pay cut in baseball any more?
If Melky played in the fifties, he’d be reduced.
I guess that means when Nate’s contract is up, he’ll be due for a raise.
I was watching baseball’s goldena age and they said Maris was MVP in 60 and 61, but couldn’t get a raise either year from his $100,000 because Mantle didn’t ask for one. Wow, how times have changed.
Heywood should go to Mcann’s father.
Can we please go after Carl Crawfor Hard!!!!!!!!!!! Please for the love of god can we get a speedster who also hits for average and has a lil pop??? I don’t care about the Tigers or Yanks or Red Sox that might go after him. Lets show him why the Braves are the best choice!!! Get it done Wren!!!!!!
October 19th, 20102:14 pm
I wouldn’t mind Frenchy at the right price. But he alone can’t be the offensive replacement. He still places good defense with the occassional pop. Face it. Hes still better than most our other OF’ers.
DOB, have you heard any whispers of people questioning Melky’s work ethic since he’s moved south? He had a banner year in NY last year, then gets traded and seemingly lets himself go. I mean, you could see if from your couch.
Ava Crowder's Butt
October 19th, 20102:15 pm
Not sayin’ Chipper wouldn’t make a fantastic hitting coach but really, where is anything to suggest he would? How many really good,HOF type hitters or pitchers for that matter have gone on to become great coaches? I realize not needing the payday would factor in but if a great career was the only determining factor why aren’t Tony Gwynn and/or George Brett coaching hitters or Smoltz or Clemens coaching pitchers? O.K. maybe it’d be difficult to coach from the Federal Pen but Smoltz or Glavine? I have no idea whether Pendleton was a good hitting coach or not. This team projected to being below average in hitting and fielding before the season started and pretty much lived up to it but does that mean they weren’t coached up or just didn’t have the talent? I would suggest the latter but who really knows?
They’ll go after Werth and Crawford right after Lowe and Chipper are gone. There ain’t no money for it. It aint gonna happen. May as well start looking at the second tier FA like the rest of us.
Cabrera? Told ya so.
October 19th, 20102:16 pm
no its a GREAT sign. maybe we might get some good outfielders!
October 19th, 20102:17 pm
Good riddance, Melky. You are living proof that anybody can hit in the Yankees’ lower lineup. You are a loser fat pig. Bye bye.
Milton Bradley is the last guy we need, you guys are dumb.
There is going to be some decent options vis trade sometime this offseason. Hopefully Wren goes after a proven started and stop d*cking around with platoon guys(Melky, Diaz, Ankiel). These types of players don’t workout in everyday roles. If you take all of their 3-4 mil salaries and spend it on 1 good starter you could get something.
When is the last time this team had a solid Outfielder that was a threat at the plate?
Chris from the Rock
October 19th, 20102:18 pm
Best news in a while!
at first i thought we should keep milky,but if he;s not going to hit or perform,than i think it was the right move. diaz should be the next one moved,because he didn;t much for the whole year. i like the moves so far.wren seems to be doing fine as for now. Go!!!! Braves!!!!
October 19th, 20102:19 pm
Glavine is feeling out all the different positions to decide what he wants to do. Hes said before he’d consider being a pitching coach. Gwynn is the HC at a University. Most players aren’t interested in coming back. Chipper has said hes interested in being a hitting coach and would probably good at it. Managers typically seem to be catchers. You can tell which guys are bound to be coaches one day. Eddie Perez, Alex Cora, Joe Girardi, etc.
If the Braves want to be better, they need to steal players away from teams like the Yankees and Phillies do? And do not give me that () they have more money than us ()!!!
October 19th, 20102:20 pm
Melky didn’t hit for the Yankees, either…
I must agree that Melky needed to go. I really think that the Braves should clear all their outfielders except Heyward, who has limitless potential but did poorly himself for long stretches. The Braves just don’t have any real hitting to speak of. Outfielders must hit, period. They dont have to hit 300, but if they dont they need to hit with some power. Conrad had a good year with clutch pinch hitting, but his awful defense means that they cannot possibly play him in the field.
They had a great outcome with pitching this year, even with key injuries. Wagner and Saito were awesome, and now they are both gone. Hanson was far better last year than this, we can only hope that he recovers. Only Hudson showed that he was top drawer through the whole season, though I have to admit that Lowe really put it together at the end. Pitching needs some adjustments, but it should be ok.
I really think that they need to go with Freeman at first and get rid of Lee. Keep Prado, Infante, Heyward, McCann, Ross for sure and hope Chipper makes it back. Hinske was a good pinch hitter. The rest of the guys can be replaced. They do not HIT. Braves need to face that they have the worst imaginable hitting and do something about it.
I just hope that we can find a way to keep Hinske!
October 19th, 20102:21 pm
Good move on Melky, 3 months late. All you folks who want Chipper back so badly in 2011: did you see him (try to) play the past two years? Did you see him struggle to swing the bat? Did you see his incredible lack of range at 3rd base?
If the answer to those questions is “yes,” then by all means bring him back. But while we’re lining up players for their past glory, let’s bring back Aaron, Niekro and Murph too.
October 19th, 20102:26 pm
There is no “getting rid” of lee, he is a FA and the Braves wont even attemp to sign him.
October 19th, 20102:27 pm
Jason Werth? Too expensive? Not fast enough for center? How about Heyward to center?
P’cola, I get what you’re saying but what makes you think Chipper or Glavine would be good coaches? I think being a great coach takes an entirely different personality than being a great manager but what makes you think they would be good? Again, not sayin’ they wouldn’t, just wonderin’ why you think that.
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