MRI shows Freeman thumb injury not serious (updated)

The Braves got good news on Freddie Freeman’s left thumb when an MRI exam Wednesday showed a sprain and contusion but no serious injury to the ligament.

Freeman hurt the thumb Monday during an Arizona Fall League game. The initial diagnosis was a sprain, but X-rays taken Tuesday were inconclusive and the Braves scheduled an MRI on Wednesday in Phoenix to rule out any major injury.

General manager Frank Wren said Freeman would miss at least a week while the swelling subsides.

The slugger was hurt sliding into third base on a triple for the Phoenix Desert Dogs. Through five AFL games, Freeman was 2-for-16 (.125) with a double, a triple and one RBI.

The Braves are planning on the left-handed slugger to be their regular first baseman in 2011. Freeman hit .319 with 35 doubles, 18 home runs and 87 RBIs in 124 games during the 2010 season for Triple-A Gwinnett, and posted a robust .898 on-base-plus-slugging percentage.

The International League rookie of the year, Freeman got his first major league callup in September and went 4-for-24 (.167) with a double and a homer in 20 games for Atlanta. His homer was a mammoth shot off Philadelphia Phillies ace Roy Halladay.

Wren said last week that the at-bats Freeman could get in the six-week, prospect-laden fall league would help prepare him for next season.

“I think for a hitter, especially, you can’t simulate at-bats,” Wren said last week. “You get better by playing games, by having at-bats in competition. And so, going to Arizona and getting another six weeks of game time is just going to make him that much better. I don’t think we’d want him to go to for three months; that’s why we didn’t want him to go to winter ball, per se, because we do want him to have some down time.

“We want him to have a chance to get stronger and get away from baseball a little bit, and get ready and primed for next season. Because he’s a guy we think we can count on. Six weeks of at-bats in the Arizona Fall League  is perfect.”

120 comments Add your comment

eskippy

October 18th, 2010
10:47 pm

Natedawg

October 18th, 2010
10:58 pm

Dang, I hope it’s not that same type of injury that J-Hey suffered earlier this season. J-Hey definitely was set back by that injury and could have hit at least 25 bombs. Hopefully Freeman rebounds quickly.

Looks the injury bug also hit us early AGAIN!! :-(

Mcmann

October 18th, 2010
11:00 pm

man man man man man man…..

bring home the baCON; we need Werth baaaaaaad

hAL

October 18th, 2010
11:02 pm

no dont think its the samew as haystacks i think this one actually happened lol

Steve McP

October 18th, 2010
11:07 pm

Don’t cut D-Lee loose just yet.

mike

October 18th, 2010
11:08 pm

When will the Braves put a stop to head-first slides? Prado…Hayward…now Freeman…stupid!

Bruce

October 18th, 2010
11:12 pm

Hand first slides very costly. Heyward Prado Freeman. Not worth the risk!

UKUGA

October 18th, 2010
11:17 pm

No thumb wrestling for roommates Freeman & Heyward this winter!

Just saying...

October 18th, 2010
11:19 pm

Do sore thumbs make you take a called third strike?

faux positive

October 18th, 2010
11:43 pm

I’m sorry FF sprained his thumb. Who teaches the players to slide hands first into a base? I do have some concern about FF however, he was batting .125 in the AZ League and was hitting not any better during hiss major league stint in sept. Before we annoint him the new first baseball and look at his minor league avg. Think back to Jordan Schafer, who continues to hit badly. before people jump on me consider this, FF is really untried in the majors. I know FW will bring him up next season due to the money saved by having him play. We should also in the same breathe as praising FW consider the money spent on mclout, kk and even lowe. We coulda been a contender with a real outfield.

scottbravesfan

October 18th, 2010
11:52 pm

Stop sliding head first damn it’s not that hard of a concept to grasp.

gcs

October 18th, 2010
11:59 pm

Resign Hinske!!

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tomahawk timmy

October 19th, 2010
12:16 am

http://pricezack.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/instant-replay-in-baseball-what-is-it-going-to-take/ this is a great article about instant replay in baseball. it is a must read for baseball fans

Bigdunks

October 19th, 2010
12:18 am

Need to sign d lee. Too cheap wren?

bass stringerfish

October 19th, 2010
12:26 am

Wren’s not cheap. Liberty is.

kreedham

October 19th, 2010
12:33 am

DOB…who else from the Braves is playing in the AFL?

Mitchell

October 19th, 2010
12:42 am

He hurt his thumb.

Dear God no.

Cancel the season.

san diego brave

October 19th, 2010
12:43 am

Wow what a shame. I hope it is nothing too serious. A thumb injury can linger for what seams forever. D. Lee is going to command more money than the Braves can afford to pay. If the Braves couldn’t sign LaRoche what makes you think they can afford D. Lee? Hinske could spot start at 1st and 3rd if he did P90X this off season and dropped 25-30 lbs while maintaining his power.

David O'Brien

October 19th, 2010
1:14 am

san diego brave: you seem to be jumping to conclusions, talking about how the Braves might need to sign a D. Lee or someone to play 1B. I mean, it’s four months until spring training, 5-1/2 months until opening day, and for all we know Freeman has a simple, low-degree sprain that might not keep him out long at all. Maybe it’s something far worse, a partial or complete tear of the ligament. But the point is, there’s no reason to suspect one way or another until he’s examined and gets an MRI. That is, unless you’ve seen footage of the injury or know someone who was there and saw his reaction, etc.

A simple sprain without a significant ligament tear should not affect him at all four months from now, if that’s all the injury is. Just have to wait and see what the exam reveals. Even if it’s a torn ligament, there could be plenty of time for recovery before spring training, depending upon severity.

buckhead benny

October 19th, 2010
1:25 am

Dave- Its a shame we didn’t get to see Prado in this lineup- Thats the part that really gets at my grill- He as i think our MVP and the Conrad thing wouldn’t even be a thought- I guess it just wasn’t in the cards but makes you think though. What if…

JSLA

October 19th, 2010
2:04 am

@Buckhead Benny: If my aunt had an Adam’s Apple she’d be my uncle….

Fins and Chins

October 19th, 2010
2:29 am

Loose one turn.

Runnin

October 19th, 2010
4:33 am

Was is a head first slide?

TheAntiMe

October 19th, 2010
5:13 am

Most likely this injury is nothing serious and even if it were, if Chipper can come back from a torn ACL to start the season as some in the know have projected, then Freeman most likely can overcome most anything thumb related by then.

I guess it’s just that injuries were such a killer in the second half of the 2010 season that it’s understandable if some people throw up their hands and say, “What next?”

Tim L.

October 19th, 2010
6:31 am

The free agent to sign is Xavier Nady – is RH with power and can play 1B and OF.

GOBRAVES!!!

October 19th, 2010
6:50 am

Not sure Freeman has shown anything to prove he’s ready to play every day at the major league level. Course the Braves simply don’t have money to do anything else at this point. Until they get an owner who is willing to spend this team will not win another World Series.

Rob from SC

October 19th, 2010
6:55 am

DOB

Is there great concern for Freddie’s injury, or is the club confident it is just a sprain?

Darryl Blackberry

October 19th, 2010
6:57 am

He’ll have to wear one of those cybernetic-looking oven mitts from now on, when running the bases.

Papadawg

October 19th, 2010
7:14 am

I bet it was a head first slide. Injured my thumb the same way 20 years ago and it still bothers me.

athensmatt

October 19th, 2010
7:19 am

some of you are talking like the braves are the only team in baseball that do head-first slides. it’s part of the game, just as injuries are.

Peachtree John

October 19th, 2010
7:22 am

The Braves should have lots of new faces next season. Those who are not re signed——-well, they had a chance and failed. Hopefully the next bunch of el cheapos will fair better. The problem with el cheapos is that they can do well for 6 weeks, then, it’s back to normal. The Braves bunch gave us thrills for a time last season. Bobby did a good job with what he had.

Brave

October 19th, 2010
7:34 am

Folks, it’s almost half a year before the next season starts. Injuries are not uncommon to athletes, and they are not all serious or career damaging. It’s far too early to panic.

Jinxo1964

October 19th, 2010
7:36 am

I doubt Fredi Gonzalez takes managing advice from blogs, but here’s mine anyway for what it’s worth: any player sliding head first into a base should be fined $10,000. Period.

BigBrave

October 19th, 2010
7:42 am

Are we letting D. Lee go? If so, then they need to find a good young 3rd base prospect to play behind retiring Chipper so that guy can get some mentoring and be there when Chipper gets hurt again next year.

Old man

October 19th, 2010
7:48 am

The Braves were a pretty beaten up bunch this year. Chipper, Jason, Freddie, Matt, Martin, Derek, and all the others who will be back have several more months to heal before returning to the line up. We’ll be okay.

erm016

October 19th, 2010
8:33 am

Can we please forget about the idea of Freeman as the every day 1b next year? Bring him back on the roster, but keep Lee as a 1b through the end of the year.

Freeman sucked it up this Sept.

Shaggy1973

October 19th, 2010
8:47 am

DOB

Have you guys heard of any rumors on who the new hitting coach may be? Or names they are looking at?

SadDawg

October 19th, 2010
8:49 am

Looks like someone needs to counsel Freeman and Heyward on the advantages of sliding feet first. This past season, Heyward spent time on the DL, and was ineffective before that for a couple of weeks, with a thumb injury from sliding head-first. Now Freeman.

Don’t they realize how important their hands are to them? If I was a MLB player, I wouldn’t even shake hands with anybody.

Slide feet-first, boys. You don’t hear about strained-buttocks injuries from that technique.

Well, Chipper’s probably had one or two . . .

Jeff R

October 19th, 2010
8:53 am

Frank Wren:

“You get better by playing games, by having at-bats in competition. And so, going to Arizona and getting another six weeks of game time is just going to make him that much better.”

Not necessarily. The idea these days that ballplayers need to do something around the clock is very overrated. Freeman had a full season – a successful season – at Gwinnett and a September call up to Atlanta. That was enough for Freeman in 2010, I believe.

redwave

October 19th, 2010
8:58 am

well, what do you expect when they play in a “Fall” league? Is it mandatory that they fall or is it optional? Sometimes you get hurt when you fall. Maybe they should see if Arizona has a “Don’t Fall” league they could play in. For real baseball insights you need to watch HBO’s “East Bound and Down”–hilarious!!!

retiredMLscout

October 19th, 2010
9:02 am

The head first slide became popular because 1)players have a better chance of evading the tag and 2)there have been a lot of leg and ankle injuries over the years from feet first slides. These injuries are usually more severe than sprained thumbs. And by the way, you can also injure hands, fingers when sliding feet first.

I’m not sure what the advantages to sliding feet first are, but apparently a lot of you think they are some. Why not tell us what they are?

retiredMLscout

October 19th, 2010
9:02 am

The head first slide became popular because 1)players have a better chance of evading the tag and 2)there have been a lot of leg and ankle injuries over the years from feet first slides. These injuries are usually more severe than sprained thumbs. And by the way, you can also injure hands, fingers when sliding feet first.

I’m not sure what the advantages to sliding feet first are, but apparently a lot of you think they are some. Why not tell us what they are?

Peter

October 19th, 2010
9:09 am

How come the Braves don’t give these guys a month off to rest up before sending them to play after the grueling season……. especially Hayward who probably played more games then he ever has this season ?

Is this typical…… season’s over, send them back out to play so quickly ?

wjones

October 19th, 2010
9:23 am

“GOBRAVES!!!

October 19th, 2010
6:50 am
Not sure Freeman has shown anything to prove he’s ready to play every day at the major league level. Course the Braves simply don’t have money to do anything else at this point. Until they get an owner who is willing to spend this team will not win another World Series.”

How many years do you think our top prospects should spend in AAA before they get called up? I don’t see what else Freeman could do to prove himself in AAA, so why not give him a chance to do well, as opposed to paying inflated dollars to a mid-level major leaguer with not nearly the upside as Freeman would give us?

And for those of you so afraid of head-first slides, ask Pete Rose or Rickey Henderson how many years the head-first slide took off THEIR careers.

Chillahill43

October 19th, 2010
9:25 am

We do need a power hitting 1st baseman period. I for one dont think its FF i aee major trouble in braves lineup with another long swinging keft handed hitter. A healthy right handed power hitting 1st baseman is what we need. Another point. It kills me to see the guys we traded to texas for that yankees firstbaseman. And how they are raking the ball and stealing the bases. And closing games.. God if only…… We really need a SS. But 2.5 mill for that lazy ss we got i guess is a deal. But watching Elvis. Kills me knowing we traded him because Escobar was our guy!!!! Ramble on. Go Braves!

GTSteve

October 19th, 2010
9:40 am

Yes Peter this is normal…First of all it is spelled Heyward, and he is not playing Fall Ball…The Fall Leagues are for AA and AAA players to five them extra playing time before making or trying to make the Major League teams next spring. Most of the Minor League seasons ended over a month ago.so they did have a little time off, even if they were called up at roster expansion on Sept 1, they probably didn’t get much playing time, like Freeman. The Fall Leagues are a fairly short season and gives the players ample rest before Spring Training, even those with minor thumb injuries. He will be examined and treated accordingly.

GTSteve

October 19th, 2010
9:41 am

And for the record…Freddie Freeman has given us no reason to think that he will not be a successful Major League hitter……NONE

George

October 19th, 2010
9:48 am

Stop head first slides Period.

Bill

October 19th, 2010
9:57 am

hAL are you still around?I thought that they had banned you from the computor lol, no really

nashvillewill

October 19th, 2010
10:00 am

I have not seen any studies comparing head-first to feet-first slides, though several major league retirees I have known have argued against the head-first as leading to more and more debilitating injuries. The fingers and wrist are more exposed than the foot and leg. Head-first, in these opinions, are reserved for returning to 1B in a pick-off. How many injuries have you seen/heard about from feet-first slides? I have not heard of any.
Freeman does not appear ready for 1B duties, but Lee was ineffective and overpaid. What other options are there? Prado to 1B and Infante at 2B? This leads to the infield shuffle if Freeman plays some and I don’t like to see players move around.
I’m still lobbying for Infante to be everyday player in a consistent position, say, LF. I believe this to be priority 1B for the Braves this offseason. 1A is acquiring a CF with pop.

Jared

October 19th, 2010
10:01 am

Nowhere in the article does it say that he slid head first. If it was a stolen base attempt that would be more likely, but a lot of guys slide feet first on triples. I don’t know, it could be head first, but we don’t know. I do know that you can hurt fingers and wrists on feet first slides pretty easily.

Either way, it’s October. Spring Training is in March. Plenty of time for a thumb to heal.

Liberty Media Group are cheap

October 19th, 2010
10:11 am

“investors”.

They could care less about Atlanta, the Atlanta Braves or Atlanta fans.

It is all about a quarterly 10k.

Can Ted buy the team back?

Jake

October 19th, 2010
10:23 am

Its not the injury that surprises me,its Freemans numbers!Freeman was 2-21 in the BIGS and now 2-16 in Arizona fall league.Hope its not the next Jordan Schafer

collegeballfan

October 19th, 2010
10:36 am

TommyJack

October 19th, 2010
10:41 am

Much ado about nada

Ted M

October 19th, 2010
10:50 am

Head first slides should be banned in these meaningless games.

RHR

October 19th, 2010
11:09 am

Dun dun dun…

Andrew

October 19th, 2010
11:19 am

Freddie will be fine. I was out to a few of the games and he was hitting the ball hard but right at people. The triple he hit was blasted and Freeman plays the game at full speed no matter if it is just a fall ball game. How can most of you guys base his whole carrer on 23 at bats in the major legaue level getting an abat once every 2 to 3 games? You people need to take a chill pill and relax. Freddie hit 18 HR in AAA and 1 in the ML that is 19 which was 2nd in the whole organization behind McCann. He will be fine.

kindergarten math

October 19th, 2010
11:37 am

Any news yet regarding whether Glen Hubbard has gotten a job ? Do fired coaches often get picked up by clubs at the winter meetings, or do managers generally have their staffs assembled by then ? Just still hard to believe that there was no place for an apparent loyal employee like Hubby in the organization.

stephen

October 19th, 2010
11:39 am

Yes..a thumb injury is not serious. And ff should be just fine for the start of spring training. But he’s going to miss valuble at-bats in the fall league. It will be a set back

stephen

October 19th, 2010
11:41 am

Freeman is not the next jordan schafer.

Kirb

October 19th, 2010
11:48 am

First Heyward and now Freeman.It least this is just fall ball. Someone should teach the Braves in the minors that being safe at a bag pales in comparision to missing 25 games with a jammed thumb. Slide cleats first –even if you are thrown out. If anyone is going to be injured let it be the other guy.

WinSomething

October 19th, 2010
12:08 pm

GTSteve
“And for the record…Freddie Freeman has given us no reason to think that he will not be a successful Major League hitter……NONE”

I know some people are concerned about the lack of results in his call up, but he showed during his AAA stint that he is ready to be a major league player. Thats how everyone else has been evaluated.

Look at these two lines.

Buster Posey 2009 Sept call up: 2 for 17 1 run scored 0 RBI .118BA .118OBP .118SLG (0 XBH)
Freddie Freeman 2010 call up: 4 for 24 3 runs scored 1 RBI .167BA .167OBP .333SLG (2 XBH)

Proof that Sept call up numbers dont provide a good indication of much of anything.

WinSomething

October 19th, 2010
12:11 pm

And I must now apologize to GTSteve for not fully reading his comment before quoting it. My reply is to all the people saying that Freeman didnt show us enough to be handed the first base job next season, as GTSteve seems to agree now that I have read his comment completely. I am sorry.

jim

October 19th, 2010
12:13 pm

Take a realistic look at the Phillies and the roster they will still have next year. Then take a look at the young players that the Marlins will have next year and the team that the Nats are building. The addition of a big righthanded hitting bat is not going to make us a contender next year! Even with Prado healthy and a diminished Chipper coming back, this team would be a long, longshot to make the playoffs. Frank Wren needs to build around our nucleus of Heyward, McCann, Prado, Hanson, Venters, and Kimbrel. Freeman should be part of that nucleus and needs to play at the ML level to get experience to be ready to be a big contributer in 2012 and beyond. Those voicing an opinion on his readiness based on a sample of 23 ABs are showing no baseball sense. The young pitchers will also be part of that nucleus, but need more time to develop and sort out just which ones will be the contributors. This team needs to get faster, better defensively, and to restock the farm system with hitting prospects to go along with the pitchers. Resigning a Lee or bringing in a Nady will not put us into the playoffs and do little or nothing to address the basic weaknesses or enhance the longer term prospects. I would like to see FW build up the system so we are ready to compete in the post Chipper, Lowe, McLouth, KK era when we have more payroll flexibility.

JoeFan

October 19th, 2010
12:22 pm

Freeman will get ample time to show the Braves he is capable of being the regular 1B for the next 10 years. It always seems to take him 4-6 weeks to get acclimated to the level he at which he is playing. Maybe spring training will shorten the time. I have little doubt he will provide the power at defense needed at1B. The Braves need to be more concerned with filling the holes at 3B, SS CF and LF.Would be great if they could draft a nearly maor league ready player at one of these positions but currently the only help is in the low minors. It certainly appears 2011 may be more of 2010 but Freeman’s arrival will help if he proves true to form.

JonnyVenter'sLeftArm

October 19th, 2010
12:31 pm

So wait a minute Jim; we had a playoff team with all of these flaws; why wouldn’t an impact bat get ‘em back to the post-season? You shed some duds (Melky, Ankiel, Glaus) and get some more reliable run producers (and if everybody doesn’t go on the DL), it would reason a team with several young players that got tested in the heat of a pennant race would be that much better the next season.

varoadrunner

October 19th, 2010
12:31 pm

If our “gimp” is truly going to play next year, put him at first instead of third. Chipper needs to play more – duh, but it’s as simple as that. Put him at first and find a third baseman with power. Do they exist?

Braves Fan Since "80

October 19th, 2010
12:37 pm

Freeman has showed us that he was an above average minor leauger. In the majors he showed to be a capable fielder….. We must conclude he has the tools and deserves a shot…… If freeman stumbles in the spring the Braves need to be ready to exercise Plan B but Plan A should work out well

Mark (another one)

October 19th, 2010
12:38 pm

Freeman will be fine as the everyday first baseman. My lineup projection is:

Infante CF
Prado 2nd
Freeman RF
Chipper 3rd
McCann C
Gonzales SS
McLouth CF
Freeman 1st

I might switch McLouth and Freeman but I like the idea of Gonzales and McLouth getting on base to give Freeman some RBI opportunities. I know McLouth has struggled but I bet he starts the year in Atlanta.

As for the hitting coach, I hope they interview Jamie Dismuke from Gwinnett. He worked with Freeman and Heyward during their times there, and he turned around McLouth on McLouth’s AAA assignment. I bet his familiarity with the players would bring some value.

Dan in West Georgia

October 19th, 2010
12:41 pm

Mark: Didn’t proofread that, didjya?

Braves Fan Since "80

October 19th, 2010
12:43 pm

Chipper needs to be benched if he plays the way he has for the past two years///// needs to bat 6th or 7th until he earns another spot…….. we need Chipper to retire!

Mark (another one)

October 19th, 2010
12:43 pm

Sorry. Heyward in RF. I would also watch Freeman, and move him up as he gets used to the majors.

My real concerns are McLouth (should be in LF) and someone to prepare to replace Chipper down the road.

Sorry for the earlier mistakes. Trying to do two things at once and as usual, it didn’t work.

Doug

October 19th, 2010
12:47 pm

Several have said FF has given “no indication” that he will be a successful major league hitter. What rubbish…is it certain?? No…But no indication?? An .898 ops as a 20 year old in AAA?? Find out how many of those have occured in the past 10 years. Realistic projection for next year? .275-18-80 with probably a .820-.850 ops along with great fielding over his 135-140 games.

Gwinnett Braves Bible.com

October 19th, 2010
12:51 pm

Gwinnett Braves Bible.com

October 19th, 2010
12:56 pm

Doug,

Well said. For the several fans who ” think” or ” “know” that Freeman isn’t ready, I respectfully disagree with you.

I’ve seen Freeman play in person for most of the season, and he’s as ready as he’s going to get. When you are the IL Rookie of the Year, while being one of the youngest players in all of Triple-A, you have some credentials.

I would say .270-.280 with decent power and a gold glove defense at first is what folks can expect, and who would’nt want that on the Braves.

Fans, you can’t tell anything about what Freeman did in Sept, wait until you see him in person next year, then come back and tell me how wrong I am.

o-me

October 19th, 2010
12:57 pm

Milky is gone…been released.

The Truth.....

October 19th, 2010
12:59 pm

here it is…and understand this….My ol pappy used to tell me ” You get what you pay for”….Flat out! So if you build a team on the cheap, then that’s exactly what you get…a cheap team. Not sure what Frank and Liberty are thinking but IF they were to put a great team on the field it will pay off in the long haul. The fans will come back like back in the day!!

jim

October 19th, 2010
1:07 pm

This year’s team overachieved, Johnny. It made the playoffs, but even if it got past SF, it did not have the talent to compete with the Phillies, Yankees, or Rangers. The duds you mention — Ankiel, was not much of a hitter, but did give us our only solid defensive OF. Glaus carried the team during the stretch where it took over first place. Melky is no loss. The likely infield of Chipper, Gonzo, Prado, and Freeman is weak to average defensively at every position except 1B. At the two corner positions where we need to generate power — Chipper is well past his 25+ HR years and Freddy might not be into those years for him yet. Last year’s outfield was not only weak offensively,k but was also very sub-par defensively. The names like Nady, and Magglio Ordonez that are being bantied about here will do little to upgrade the defense or the team speed.

The other reason that we are not likely to do as well next year is that the other teams in the division will be better. The Marlins lineup, with or without Uggla features Hanley, Coghlan, Stanton, Morrison, G. Sanchez, Bonafacio, Maybin,– a combination of power, speed, and average; and the trio of Johnson, Nolasco, and A. Sanchez give them a good nucleus of pitching to build around. The Nats are a year or two away from being a solid contender, but if we look realistically at last year’s team that beat us in the season series, they had more power — Dunn, Zimmerman, Morse, Willingham, Desmond — more speed — Morgan, Bernadinha, Desmond — and an equally strong bullpen. They were the better team during the times when many of the games were played.

We need to build a team that will be able to contend with the Nats and Marlins in the years to come, not make a futile effort to compete with the Phillies next year if it comes at the expense of building for the future.

HA_#44

October 19th, 2010
1:22 pm

Braves Bloggers: It’s really hard to take some of your comments/”opinions” serious when your spelling skills are atrocious;  (Type your blog on a Word Doc first and use your spell-checker – please.)

To Jim: Kudos to your blog! It’s the most insightful and accurate blog written today regarding this article. And “RetiredMLScout”…you are also absolutely correct. But obviously the consensus from the bloggers today is their awareness (I will assume) that “healthy” hands and wrists are vital to successfully swinging the bat and hand/head first slides don’t make sense in a Fall League game. And GTSTEVE! You are DEAD ON as well…Mr. Freeman has given us no reason to believe he can’t be successful and a star for the Braves in the very near future. That is one purpose of spring training.

Guys…Re-read “Jim’s” comments again. We have a young team with chemistry that will begin a new era with a new manager. We have the spring to look forward to; chances are FF is going to be more pumped up and excited to show what he can do in 2001 over where he is right now. With the right chemistry and leadership from the right type of manager – and we are banking on FG being that guy – we should be able to rebuild a strong championship caliber team; it may not happen next season like Jim says, but that is the approach we have to take. And in the meantime, we hope we can fill the voids with the necessary players to do the job.

I think back to the years when Mr. Tom Glavine was a rookie followed by 3 more seasons before establishing himself as a future hall of fame pitcher. My point here fellas, is that the organization stuck with him – just as I did as a fan (of his). You could see the winning in his face and his demeanor on the mound even in those first four years with only one winning season. You could see it in his eyes…that he was something special! And he was! At least in the next 6 months…let’s be more positive and up beat and let the off-season, new manager, and spring training play out. As fans we need to let LIBERTY know they need to take ownership of the Braves seriously and that these great Braves fans want their financial support and backing towards building a championship team around the nucleus of fine young players we already have.

Tom Glavine’s stats 1987 – 1990:

87 – 2W/4L in 9G; 5.54 ERA
88 – 7W/17L in 34G; 4.56 ERA
89 – 14W/8L in 29G; 3.68 ERA
90 – 10W/12L in 33G; 4.28 ERA

Bobby's Booger

October 19th, 2010
2:04 pm

If Wren can’t get a legit leftfielder and centerfielder, this team can’t compete in 2011.

McLouth is a joke, as were Melky & Ankiel.

Chipper is not dependable and did not produce when he played.

Get real Braves fans !

Take offers for Lowe, unload that contract & get some real bats !

nathanbuford

October 19th, 2010
2:17 pm

lot of names being bandied about, but Rasmus ,Crawford, Werth are only ones i would be interested in.BUT, don’t sell farm to acquire any one.J-HEY will bust out, FF will be ready, Chipper will contribute, altho we can’t expect huge #s , rest ,some must go-Melky being #1. pitching staff is very solid, altho i would like starters to go longer . KK,Farnsworth must go!! looking forward to a great season!! GO BRAVES Braves fan since 1947

bobbymahlon

October 19th, 2010
3:13 pm

I get a kick out of all you people that were clamering for FF to play first instead of Lee and now you are saying keep Lee and do not play FF for another year or maybe never. I’m glad you are not runnung the team or we would occupy last place every year. I myself do not know if he is ready or ever will be but the sample we have thus far is too small. From what I have seen thus far it looks like his up side next year would be .250-25-70. Would that along with his great defense satisfy ya’ll ?

BravesFanForever

October 19th, 2010
3:29 pm

Sliding head first goes to show you that managers and coaches are not as smart as everyone makes them out to be. It is a FACT that sliding head first is SLOWER than feet first. First of all, when you slide feet first it is natural and your feet are already on the ground close to the basket. Secondly, going head first means you have to stoop down and reach for the basket. That’s going to slow you down. I don’t know of anyone who can run full speed going head first. (Sliding into first base is a whole nother story. Anyone who does this is a complete moron since running full tilt is by far the best strategy instead of slowing down in a slide)

Clearly the main reason not to slide head first is that it is akin to putting your head and arms into a thrasher. Come on: There’s a hard swipe coming, there are arms and legs from other players that could seriously knock you out. How stupid is that?

Why not go feet first? Lou Brock, one of the fastest men and smartest players to ever play the game, always slid feet first and he was a very durable player for having stolen nearly 1,000 bases. Your legs are so much stronger and there is far less likelihood of getting hurt where you can’t play. Just by looking at Lou’s record you will see that he didn’t get injured very often.

For one thing, PLAYERS WEAR LEATHER SHOES. How can you get your toe screwed up unless another player steps on your foot? But at least it would be protected. What happens when a spike comes down on a finger? Gee, I wonder. You know, even players can play with broken toes but not broken fingers. That’s pretty difficult.

Heck it even helps to put your spikes up. No one is going to be scared of someone’s head coming at them. If anything, if I didn’t like a guy, I would swipe the tag as hard as I could and brain the guy. Why not if it knocks him out of the game? LOL

BravesFanForever

October 19th, 2010
3:40 pm

There has not be an appreciable difference in salaries in over 10 years. The problem with Liberty’s stance is that it does not consider inflation whether it’s cost of living or the rate of salary increases across the league. Even if you have a 4% inflation rate, over 10 years it makes a big difference. At some point, the Braves are going to be a bottom half dweller when it comes to total salaries.

It’s going to be increasingly difficult to field a team which can compete if this keeps happening. I frankly don’t want a team that MIGHT make the playoffs. I would like a team that can win it all and it would be nice if that chance wasn’t once every total eclipse that comes along.

I think that’s the issue that most Braves fans have. Maybe we have been conditioned to think that the team SHOULD win it all every year. Those 14 years were GREAT. Now it seems that with the limited salaries it’s going to be by chance that the team gets good enough talent that it can win it all. Having several CHEAP young guys who peak at the same time would help. That tends to happens to teams like the Twins, Marlins, and A’s. However, the problem that the Braves have is that they tend to play their hand like their are a bigger market and a smaller market at the same time. The Marlins and A’s tend to dump their larger salaries when players peak and they trade them in for young talent which increases their odds every few years when they have a lot of them peaking at the same time and they compete for the World Series.

I’m afraid that at the rate that the Brave’s salaries are decreasing (compared to the rest of the league), this team is going to have a hell of a time playing for the pennant let alone even make it to the playoffs. One or two key injuries will kill this team. Teams like the Phillies and Yankees (and the Braves of old) used to BUY themselves out of their injuries. It was like a get out of jail card.

WinSomething

October 19th, 2010
6:14 pm

BFF, I disagree that sliding feet first is the faster way. I always felt I was faster getting to the bag when I went in head first, and there were plenty of times when being able to slide a few feet to the left or right of the tag and reach for the base was the only reason I was able to get in safely. Additionally the only reason that I started sliding in head first was because I messed up my knee and hip sliding feet first in high school. I was going to slide over the bag with my lead foot, but when the ss put the tag down it forced my foot into the dirt and then the bag and I inadvertently executed a pop up slide that sent me tumbling . So the injury thing goes both ways. Yeah, feet are more protected than hands, but joints in the legs arent as versatile as in the arms. Id say its a toss up all the way around. Injuries happen in baseball.

And just to show that it may not actually be a fact that head first is slower, physics. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12855927

WinSomething

October 19th, 2010
6:17 pm

WinSomething

October 19th, 2010
6:24 pm

And this study indicates that women get hurt most when sliding head first, and men get hurt more sliding feet first.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843128

smuglas

October 19th, 2010
10:57 pm

I say, keep Chipper, D Lee and Glaus. It could be like a yard full of old cars. If one breaks down, steal a part off the one that’s worst off. Then, you have a bunch of spare knees, thumbs, backs, etc.

Largo

October 19th, 2010
11:50 pm

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Largo

October 19th, 2010
11:54 pm

Damn! Another hand injury by a player sliding head first. Won’t these people ever learn?

Choppinmama

October 20th, 2010
12:55 pm

Oh grrrreat! Didn’t pay attention to the fine print: “Fall leagues may be damaging to your health. Play at your own risk.”

Shot Thru the Lockhart

October 20th, 2010
12:56 pm

Jim, you’re forgetting that our Starting pitching is vastly superior to the Nats’ and that the back of our rotation and our bullpen is similarly better than the Marlins’. Plus, when the Nats lose Dunn that will be a big hit to their offense. The Braves pitching can make them a contender next year whether they add a big bat or not. You probably don’t remember that the Braves were in the top two or three in runs scored in the NL until August (when the injuries started in full force)

Choppinmama

October 20th, 2010
12:57 pm

Head first slides may be slower, but they are trickier.

(sfblump)

October 20th, 2010
2:54 pm

FW sign D.Uggla for 2B; put Omar Infante in LF or CF, play Martin Prado at SS; and Chipper on 3B.
Let Gonzalez be the replacement for Chipper whenever he is hurting or SS and maybe 1B.

WinSomething

October 20th, 2010
4:05 pm

I dont think its smart baseball to just start putting players wherever you feel like it. Prado isnt as good of a 3B as he is a 2B, and he sure isnt a SS. Its just not that simple. And as versatile as Infante may be, he isnt going to play a good CF on a regular basis. Would he be able to fill that position if he had to due to injury, sure, but there isnt a smart business case to be made for it as a long term plan. We saw KJ and Chipper make position changes from OF to IF and things like that, but theres a reason it isnt more common. Its not easy to do. We have a 2B in Prado, we have a SS in Gonzalez and we have a 3B in Chipper, like it or not. Any trades for those positions will likely either include one of those players or make one a backup.

Infante going back to his bench role as a super utility guy may not be a bad thing. You guys notice how much better we were playing when we had a solid bench full of guys that could step up at any time?

If we get an OFer to play left, get an improvement out of Nate, keep some regulars healthy and have a solid bench again, this team can be very good. Theres a good chance Heyward improves on a good season, Nate is a better hitter than he showed this past season, Freeman is capable of having a Heyward type rookie year, and a healthy Chipper is capable of a solid season with Infante filling in adequately when needed. This team needs a LFer and some role players. Anything else is icing on the cake with the pitching that we have. Not many teams in either league have top tier pitching AND top tier offense. There is no reason the Braves cant win with top tier pitching and slightly improved offense. Even with our offense as bad as it was at LF CF and 1B, with a better defensive effort that team could have been a force. So offense isnt the biggest problem in the world.

Im not saying they shouldnt try to improve it where they can, but if they cant, its not hopeless. Lets not jump off bridges if they dont sign the big bat everyone wants. There will still be a contending team on the field, baring injury to top players again.

yellerjacket

October 20th, 2010
4:55 pm

WinSomething, I agree. We won 91 games and the Wild Card with a terribly inconsistent offense. We keep as much pitching as possible and sign one or two hitters and we will compete again. In other news, Liberty Media is still hamstringing the H out of this organization.

quitesimpley

October 20th, 2010
7:47 pm

remember Diaz played most of the year with an infected finger,keep him.These rookies need to look at what happened to the veterans sliding head first

Kat

October 20th, 2010
8:22 pm

Nice update on Freddie, thanks.

hAL

October 21st, 2010
3:18 am

omg hope freddys mot going to hsaave a hatstack rookie year ot he wont be ROY you can bank it lol

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