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rammerjammer
October 18th, 2010
1:59 pm
If you want an outfielder that’s gonna make an impact, you better be ready to trade a pitcher that’s gonna make an impact.
That would be Hanson.
I think JJ has to have a bounceback season to regain high value. Hudson and Lowe are staying put. Minor and Beachy are too unproven to get anything but prospects…plus one will surely be in next year’s rotation. And Teheran and Delgado are apparently, from what DOB wrote, not in play.
So there you are. Last man standing is Hanson.
You want the stud outfielder? Give up the stud pitcher.
old1414
October 18th, 2010
1:59 pm
Braves will get one of:
Xavier Nady
Jorge Cantu
Ty Wigginton
Fernando Tatis
Each could back up first and play LF along with fitting the Braves budget.They will also try to sign a veteran arm like Grant Balfour or Jesse Crain. Don’t see enough money for much more.
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ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
2:01 pm
Hey DOB do we have any legitimate OFs in the farm system with any type of speed that can steal some bases & play decent defense ??? I still say even if we can get an OF this off-season that has a glove & can get on base, steal a few, it may be the answer instead of looking for power from him as well. I know we still need a big bat, so spend the big money on the power, but look around for a bargain OF lead-off man, it would set up our 3,4, & 5 hitters properly.
Roll Tide
October 18th, 2010
2:01 pm
trade jj to la or st louis for either kemp or rasmus. (try to throw in Mclouth or kk)
sign maglio 1 yr 7 mil
Sign vazquez 1 yr 5 mil
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
2:01 pm
old1414
If this is our offseason, I’m jumping off a cliff.
TennesseePaul
October 18th, 2010
2:02 pm
do you think the Mets would want McLouth and KK for two of the 25 spots on their roster?
So many potential jokes and pot shots can be had at the Mets expense… where to begin? It’s like over load for all the potential ways to squeeze these two into their roster.
Lollygagger
October 18th, 2010
2:02 pm
depending on just how strained the relationship with the Cardinals is and how badly the Cardinals want to get rid of Rasmus… would the Cards possibly consider trading McLouth for Rasmus straight up, with the Braves paying for most or all of McLouth’s salaray? I don’t think that Rasmus makes that much (close to minimum?), so if that’s the case then the Braves wouldn’t be adding all that much salary to the books, per se. Just a crazy thought…
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
2:03 pm
I’m not saying that we’ll get Crawford or Werth, but I’m tired of all this bottom feeding. We could get aa Nady, but we’d better get a real bat, too.
Andy S.
October 18th, 2010
2:05 pm
well i wasnt saying that the Braves should ASK Chip to give back some money, I was just saying if I were him (hanging up the cleats after this season) the World Series ring would mean more to me than the money owed to me in my last season. So I would be more inclined to give some back so Frank Wren could have some more to play with in getting an outfield bat.
I think we need to bring some speed back to Atlanta to our lead off spot, hence why I think Crawford is the prize. I know he will be overpaid, but somehow, somewhere, we need to get speed. Maybe Chone Figgins to play left? I remember that there was talk earlier in the season for a Figgins/Kawakami straight up swap.
Efrim
October 18th, 2010
2:05 pm
Just a crazy thought…
McLouth straight up for Rasmus is crazy all right.
Efrim
October 18th, 2010
2:08 pm
The team needs another good hitter. And they need one they can stick out there for a few years at least. Over the last, near decade, the distribution of games played to number of players playing the position is disturbing.
Very good post, TennesseePaul. Say no to the revolving door that is Left Field for the Atlanta Braves.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
2:09 pm
Andy S
That is not really allowed by the agreement between the players association and the clubs.
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
2:09 pm
Andy S.
Where do you ever hear about a player doing that? There are several reasons why that doesn’t happen. Let’s start with the players union causing a stink over it.
Gary O
October 18th, 2010
2:10 pm
DOB,
I wouldn’t want them on my roster, but this is the Mets we are talking about
I dont think the Braves will get good value for JJ, because he is coming off an injury, and nobody knows what to expect. If this was last off-season, his value was very high.
But right now, I think the best thing to do is give him another year and hope he stays healthy and pitches like we know he can.
David O'Brien
October 18th, 2010
2:11 pm
jeffrey d: good catch. i guess we all make typos in this biz. Buster must’ve meant STARTS to begin postseason career, not wins. I just went back and checked, and Smoltz indeed had nine starts before his first postseason loss, and those nine were over those two postseasons. He went 5-0 in nine starts during the ‘91-92 postseasons.
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
2:11 pm
@ Owl Hunter I’m sorry pal, that the same stressful approach is why we only have one ring. This is baseball not brain surgery, someone is going to win & lose, in the end it is still a game. The same game that all these guys grew up playing & now earn their money from. Whenever players forget that they don’t stay around long. Yes its serious, but you can’t tell me guys like Brady, Jeter, & Kobe don’t have fun out there !!! It’s time for the tightwad, sitting on pins & needles attitude to change for the Braves.
Andy S.
October 18th, 2010
2:11 pm
excuse me, I meant…
“restructuring the contract”
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
2:15 pm
ReddJonn
Does Kobe seriously look like he’s having fun down the stretch of the season?!? “Having fun” is not a guarantee for success. Being loose to a certain degree is fine, but this ain’t littlee league. The playoff run is about getting the job done. Bobby was probably the loosest manager ever. I don’t get your logic.
Brave Hokie
October 18th, 2010
2:15 pm
Long story short: the Braves will neglect what wins post-season Baseball games: timely POWER hitting and bury their heads in the pitching mound mumbling about the “the good ole” days of glavine smoltz maddux ~ who never won squat besides ‘95.
DAP
October 18th, 2010
2:16 pm
efrim Probably a lot. More than most are thinking here, imo.
thats pretty vague, while also getting in a dig at the blog IQ.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
2:17 pm
Folks
I totally understand the desire of fans to have a LF’er who we could count on for years to come. And the need for speed, is unquestioned.
Problem is we still have our budget restraints.
I guarantee Frank Wren is thinking the same things. But with the budget being what it is, you might not get the answers you are looking for.
Some times I get a crazy desire for a great steak. I could go to Ruth’s Chris, but I don’t have the cash, and I don’t think they’ll take my half broken down weed whacker in for trade.
So, I go to Albertsons and pick up a rib eye for 7 bucks, go home and throw it on the grill. Might not be the best, but it’s the best I can afford.
I have confidence in FW that he will do all in his power to add some stability, some hitting prowess, and some D to our outfield this winter; without mortgaging the farm too much.
Patience, grasshopper………
jeffrey d
October 18th, 2010
2:17 pm
DOB – wasn’t really a catch…I was thinking Smoltz actually did that and was marvelling at the accomplishment. I know he’s had a spectacular postseason career….guess it wasn’t that spectacular
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
2:18 pm
1. Non-tender Melky Cabrera, and Matt Diaz.
2. Resign Matt Diaz to a 2 yr deal worth 3 million.
3. Dump KK, gonna have to eat at least 2 million.
4. Trade Randall Delgado, and Stephen Marek for Colby Rasmus.
5. Sign Magglio Ordonez to a 1 yr deal worth 5 million with 3 million in incentives.
6. Teach Matt Diaz to play 1B.
Starting Lineup:
1. 2B Martin Prado
2. RF Jason Heyward
3. 3B Chipper Jones
4. C Brian McCann
5. LF Magglio Ordonez
6. CF Colby Rasmus
7. 1B Freddy Freeman
8. SS Alex Gonzalez
Bench
9. C David Ross
10. OF Nate Mclouth
11. LF/1B Matt Diaz
12. UTIL Omar Infante
13. IF Diory Hernandez
Starting pitchers:
14. SP Tim Hudson
15. SP Derek Lowe
16. SP Tommy Hanson
17. SP Jair Jurrjens
18. SP Mike Minor
19. RHP Brandon Beachy
20. RHP Cristian Martinez
21. LHP Mike Dunn
22. LHP Eric O’flaherty
23. RHP Peter Moylan
24. LHP Johnny Venters
25. RHP Craig Kimbrell
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
2:19 pm
TennPaul, I understand the desire, just not the target of the affection, LOL.
Just because all the Braves’ OF girls were too ugly, even at closing time, doesn’t mean posters should be blinded by the first pretty ankle they see. Crawford might be the pretty girl you dance with, but he ain’t the one you take home to mama. Braves need some mama-taking-home stuff out there, LOL.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
2:21 pm
Andy
I hear where you are coming from, but unless Chipper can’t make the bell, he’s going to get full pay. I just don’t see him doing something like that. Besides, for the union to put it’s blessing on the deal, it’d have to be for more money overall. Do you really want to be paying him 8-9 million per year for a few years after he is done playing?
Patience, my friend. Crawford is not on FW’s radar screen. Neither is Werth.
chris
October 18th, 2010
2:25 pm
how about this… trade for colby rasmus. and sign andruw jones to platoon with mclouth.
braves get: colby rasmus
cardinals get: minor, dunn, delgado, and pastornicky
NEW CARS
October 18th, 2010
2:26 pm
To get what we’re looking for, a true impact bat, we are either going to have to trade the house or take someone with some warts. If you look at what the Rangers did, they put a couple of guys out there that had warts, Hamilton and Cruz, and built around them. Vlad worked out well for them, but his body wouldn’t have help up in LF for 140 games for us.
Garza and Volquez are similar to Juurjens and they brought Young and Hamilton in trades, two young but high upside athletic outfielders. The guys like that on the market are the Uptons, Chris Young, Adam Jones, Colby Rasmus, Markakis, Zobrist, Pence, Kemp, Michael Morse, Delmon Young. Alex Gordon and Matt Gamel also fit into that profile, but both are lefties and better suited to 3b. Markakis is a lefty with a little higher salary, but has performed well over the past 3-4 years. I like Zobrist and he had a disappointing year, but I question how well we match up with the Rays as they have young pitching as well.
It’s going to be interesting as we move forward, but I would be stunned if Wren doesn’t move some pitching to get an impact bat of some sort. All these guys are south of 30 and that’s the direction I would like to see the team move.
A year from now, when Freeman, Heyward, Prado, McCann and hopefully the new outfielder we added this offseason are entrenched, I would be ok at looking for a veteran to plug in to a spot like LF or SS. But this year, I want another potential building block
DS1
October 18th, 2010
2:27 pm
Rasmus and Kemp seem to be the two names that are out there. Either is possible. Neither is perfect.
If FW can swing a deal for either of these guys and still have Teheran afterwards, probably a good deal.
So, if we got Kemp and moved McLouth over to LF and he remembers how to hit, then that would be a good winter. Same with Rasmus. He’d make us lefty heavy, but we could endure worse.
scoots
I don’t want no pretty girls in LF! Give me the Ugly Betty’s!
raleighbravefan
October 18th, 2010
2:27 pm
Frank KS – I’m sticking with the closer, but totally agree that Emily Proctor is hot… AND she is from Raleigh. Her parents still live here.
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
2:29 pm
@ Owl Hunter you were the one who used the word stressful in your earlier post about the Bravos down the stretch this year. I was stating those players who stay loose & don’t wear their emotions on their sleeve i.e. tightwad. Even after a long season & getting challenged by OKC & Phoenix, Kobe still was loose & having fun never saw him sweat once. We need that type of swagger here if we want to be real contenders in the future. Hate to admit it but, Philly has had it the last 3yrs.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
2:29 pm
NEW CARS
Amen!
Is Matt Murton playing in J@pan now? I always thought he could be an OK outfielder.
Shawn
October 18th, 2010
2:30 pm
chris,
You’d trade that much for Rasmus? Why in the world would you trade that much for anything but a legit superstar player? Its dumb. Will the Cards ask for that much? Of course, and maybe even more. But it’s asinine to trade all that for Rasmus.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
2:30 pm
Frank
So what you got against my man Guy!
DAP
October 18th, 2010
2:32 pm
reddjonn68 I still say even if we can get an OF this off-season that has a glove & can get on base, steal a few, it may be the answer instead of looking for power from him as well.
how many runs do you get for stealing a base?
by the way, matt young at AAA fits your description.
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
2:33 pm
@ Owl Hunter I don’t get your logic on Bobby being loose, it didn’t transfer to the team well. Too many times to count of when the cameras panned the dugout his teams looked uptight.
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
2:35 pm
@ DAP I don’t have the answer to that question call the Texas Rangers they may can answer better than me !!!
DS1
October 18th, 2010
2:35 pm
DAP
I wonder why Matt Young wasn’t on the AFL invite list? Could it be that there is no “there” there?
Just wondering………
DS1
October 18th, 2010
2:36 pm
Burrito time!
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
2:37 pm
Matt Young is like David Eckstein.
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
2:38 pm
@ DAP after watching the Melky Cabrera, Nate McClouth, & the Rick Ankiel experiments, it was just a suggestion. I don’t think it would hurt worse that shotty OF defense & no production at the plate, could it ?????
DAP
October 18th, 2010
2:39 pm
reddjonn68 I don’t have the answer to that question call the Texas Rangers they may can answer better than me !!!
ok, i asked them. they said stealing a base is worth zero runs, unless its home plate. they told me to tell you hitting for power works much better.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 18th, 2010
2:39 pm
Burrito time!
A few more now realize who you were in your previous life!
Shawn
October 18th, 2010
2:39 pm
Delgado, Minor and something like Hicks is all I’d offer for Rasmus. No way in hell I trade Jurrjens, a proven big league pitcher. He’s also very good when he’s healthy. Even Mike Minor I’d be touchy on dealing because he’s a lefty and will more than likely make a decent to above average pitcher in the bigs one day. We are short on starting LHP. Wouldn’t want to see him dealt.
Problem is, teams will want their hands on Atlanta’s pitching. They’ll want it and move on if Wren balks at any point for a young hitter like Rasmus. Throw Kemp in that category as well. It’s not as easy as some of you think to make trades AND keep their good arms in tact.
Efrim
October 18th, 2010
2:41 pm
thats pretty vague, while also getting in a dig at the blog IQ
Someone just posted a McLouth for Rasmus swap based on La Russa and him not getting along. I’ve seen several “trade X mediocre player for Rasmus just because he is hated by the manager”. Sorry if I offended you, but as I have said since the start, people are undervaluing Rasmus based on the behind the scenes crap he and La Russa got into. Colby is the only position player on that team worth anything besides Pujols and Holliday(from an offensive standpoint, Yadier ain’t much with the stick) and he is making nothing right now. He is going to cost a lot. I have no idea of the exact deal, but it’s not like the Braves will be the only one interested. A lot of teams would be after the kid.
Ease™ in Sandy Springs
October 18th, 2010
2:42 pm
Burrito time!
A few more now realize who you were in your previous life!
There’s a dude in Utah that eats alot of burrito’s
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
2:42 pm
It appears Ross will be tendered a contract after all
chris
October 18th, 2010
2:43 pm
shawn- yea, i would. just depends on what else is out there in the trade market. but yea, braves still have beachy, teheran, o’ flaherty, and hicks so the team wouldnt miss out too much.
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
2:44 pm
@ DAP do you watch baseball other than the Braves, Texas just stole home in game 2 against New York Duhhhh !!!! Also you may want check the season stats J-Hey also stole home this year, Hello !!!
ryan c
October 18th, 2010
2:45 pm
just heard saito and melky given their unconditional releases. can anyone confirm?
chris
October 18th, 2010
2:46 pm
kemp will be easier to trade for then rasmus. kemp is more expensive, his overall play has declined. (except for hitting two more homeruns than the previous year) and flat out did not listen to any dodgers officials. kind of like an andruw jones in 2007.
Shawn
October 18th, 2010
2:46 pm
We do need a slugger in the lineup. No question about it. Counting on Chipper is beyond stupid at this point and they won’t. The only sure things in our lineup are Prado, McCann and Chipper when he’s actually not hurt. Those three you know what you’ll get for the most part. Infante tailed off quite a bit towards the end and it makes me wonder if he’s not cut out for that everyday job. Heyward is 21 and showed how many holes he has at the plate. Hurt or not, the kid has a ways to go before he’s a sure thing to count on going into a season.
If Wren doesn’t get this team something for the middle of the lineup (not a God D*** platoon either) then it shows he’s not commited to winning big. With our pitching, we shouldn’t have to fight for a wild card berth. We should be giving Philly migrains for that division title. Simple as that.
chris
October 18th, 2010
2:47 pm
ryan c- i dont think they will recieve any releases until novemeber
RC
October 18th, 2010
2:47 pm
just heard saito and melky given their unconditional releases. can anyone confirm?
Considering that Saito is a free agent, and Melky doesn’t have to be released until well into the offseason, I’m going to say it’s very likely that nothing has happened regarding either of their relationships with the Braves.
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
2:50 pm
Johnny Gomes who I was sure the Reds would exercise his option apparently haven’t decided on that yet. Might be another option
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
2:55 pm
Matt Young is like David Eckstein.
Oh, excellent. News from the farm just gets better and better.
By the way, if that dude is five-eight, I’m Kareem.
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
2:56 pm
@ DAP also for those of you too young to remember the 84′ Tigers is the only team that actually won a ring & had power at almost every single position. I will not count those cheaters the Oakland A’s of the 90s, even though they still needed Rickey Henderson leading off & setting the table up. The reality of it is you need good leadoff guys & the ability to play small ball to complement that power, to advance thru the season & playoffs. The well rounded offensive teams will be there in the end. Let’s get back to basics, Braves.
NEW CARS
October 18th, 2010
2:56 pm
Matt Young is older than Bobby Cox. He may in fact be Glenn Hubbard’s older brother. He, like Timmons, Thurston and a couple of other guys on Gwinnett and Mississippi are just roster fillers. They may get a cup of coffee or a backup job like Brooks, but they are not what is referred to as prospects. Much like Redmond, Resop and others who are or were pitching at those levels.
unbelievable
October 18th, 2010
2:58 pm
Melky and Saito have been given their unconditional releases. Neither will be a Brave next season
Murph
October 18th, 2010
2:59 pm
Gomes strikes out something like 25-30% of his AB’s. Blech.
My biggest fear is that the Braves wills sign someone like Glaus or Andersen again to man LF. A guy that had a great couple of seasons but is a few years removed from success and is looking to hang on someplace. I understand the budget constraints, but another platoon of mediocrity is not the answer.
I do think that FW is going to make a big trade that is going to involve one of the big pitchers being talked about (JJ, Delgado, Teheran). If they don’t have the money in the bank then they have to use whatever assets they can to fix the horrible outfield.
raleighbravefan
October 18th, 2010
2:59 pm
Shawn – It doesn’t matter how committed to winning Wren is (AND HE IS) … He can only work within the budget. You people who critisize him for not making this trade or not going after that free agent are usually being – at the least- unrealistic about what can or cannot be done to help this line-up. Until you are personally prepared to ante up $20M of your own money, it is pointless to whine about us not getting a top teer guy. You can complain about how cheap ownership is, but those are the facts.
DO YOU REALLY THINK WREN WON’T DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO BUILD A WINNER? DO YOU BELIEVE YOU WANT TO WIN MORE THAN HE DOES? YOUR JOB DOESN’T DEPEND ON IT!
TennesseePaul
October 18th, 2010
2:59 pm
Crawford might be the pretty girl you dance with, but he ain’t the one you take home to mama. Braves need some mama-taking-home stuff out there
That may be scoots, but this waiting around for mama’s approval is resulting in a large sume of girls mama still doesn’t approve of. The team has been waiting for over a decade. Basically we’re told there isn’t anyone worth paying for in dollars or trade, so they aren’t going to get anyone… and that always, without fail, leads to, “we need another bat” all through the season, then through the off-season.
I remember not too long ago the Braves were starving for pitching. And, in your example, all the “girls mama approved of” were gone so they “over paid” for starting pitching to “hold them over” until the youth was developed. The same exact thing might very well need to occur in LF because I don’t see the youth in the system, so development is going to take considerably longer. That “over pay” for the out field hitter could also be justified in “veteran presence” for after Chipper is gone.
Perhaps Wren can trade for a player who can really lock down that position. If so, then I’m fine. If not, I’d rather see the “Lowe” of the out field signed as opposed to the perpetual “Redman” stop-gap revolving door. All this perpetual talk of “costs too much for his skill” will forever be the knock on a free agent player. Since when has a team signed a free agent star hitter in their prime for what was widely accepted as a bargain?
John in NY
October 18th, 2010
3:00 pm
If Kemp can be had, go get Kemp. I’d like it if they got Dexter Fowler as well. And besides, who is the batting coach going to be? The hitting coach is just as key the bat(s) the Braves attempt to acquire
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
3:01 pm
Murph, Gomes had a career year. 266AVG 18HR 86RBI’s
MikeInFl
October 18th, 2010
3:02 pm
team winning=”team looks loose, like it’s having fun.”
team losing=”team has no heart, no fire.“
jeffrey d
October 18th, 2010
3:03 pm
Cards get: Cory Rasmus
Braves get: Colby Rasmus
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
3:05 pm
Only reason Cards have of trading Rasmus is an issue with Larussa
Murph
October 18th, 2010
3:06 pm
Tomas, Gomes is a career .247 hitter who, again, strikes out 1 out of every 3-point-something plate appearances. He wouldn’t be that much of an upgrade over Matt Diaz or Melky.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 18th, 2010
3:06 pm
By the way, if that dude is five-eight, I’m Kareem.
I saw Matt when I took my sons ball team to take the field with the Gwinnett Braves. If he is 5′8″ he’s 5′8″ with spikes on standing on a hard surface. There’s no way he’s 5′8″ barefoot. IMO he appers shorter than Marcus Giles who was 5′8″.
ryan c
October 18th, 2010
3:08 pm
saito isnt a free agent next year and the braves make it a habit to let their players know very early whether they plan on bringing them back,
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
3:08 pm
If not, I’d rather see the “Lowe” of the out field signed as opposed to the perpetual “Redman” stop-gap revolving door…Since when has a team signed a free agent star hitter in their prime for what was widely accepted as a bargain?
Preaching to the choir, my friend. At this point, even I have some “girls” I might take home to mama, if only out of pure frustration, LOL.
Still, you don’t take a girl who can’t cook, won’t clean, hates guns, and loves trees, home to MY mama, anyway. That’s Carl Crawford all over, when it comes to what the team actually needs out there.
RC
October 18th, 2010
3:09 pm
saito isnt a free agent next year and the braves make it a habit to let their players know very early whether they plan on bringing them back
Saito is a free agent. He signed a 1-year contract last offseason. I do not know why you think he’s still under team control.
unbelievable
October 18th, 2010
3:10 pm
ryan, they both are gone.
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
3:11 pm
Saito is an FA
Hillbilly
October 18th, 2010
3:14 pm
Just because all the Braves’ OF girls were too ugly, even at closing time, doesn’t mean posters should be blinded by the first pretty ankle they see. Crawford might be the pretty girl you dance with, but he ain’t the one you take home to mama. Braves need some mama-taking-home stuff out there, LOL. –scoots
You know a pretty girl she’ll leave you. Leave you to drown in your own tears. You know an ugly girl, she’ll leave you too, but then again, who really cares. And them eyes of blue, they cannot be true. They’ll have to stay here in my dreams. And I guess that’s why ol’ Hugh Hefner invented playboy magazines.
Skeezix
October 18th, 2010
3:16 pm
Already looking forward to Spring training-that is–assuming Wren has finally awoken and now will finally get us some outfielders that can actually hit. Still hate the way Wren’s dumb K.K. and McOut deals have handcuffed this team.
Hillbilly
October 18th, 2010
3:16 pm
So sit down here beside me girl and I will tell you what we will do. We’re gonna twist them lids and hope our kids look more like me than you. And when that bottle is finally empty, we’re gonna stumble across the floor. And I’m gonna pray my imagination is gonna pull me through once more.
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
3:17 pm
Hugh Hefner, the original designated hitter.
Hillbilly
October 18th, 2010
3:18 pm
So darlin’ don’t you worry, ’cause they say that love is blind. But lust has eyes like an eagle. It’s gonna drive me outta my mind. Though my eyes sometimes wander, it doesn’t mean that I’m untrue. You’re not the best, but you’re the best that I can do.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
3:18 pm
Crazy Trades
Not like I’m trying to keep a secret or anything, just turning over a new lease on my blogging style. No name calling, etc.
Ease
Lotsa folk love burritos. But in the end, it turned out to be Chile Relleno’s instead. Still an excellent choice.
Frank Wren
October 18th, 2010
3:19 pm
DOB: How come J.S. is always on my case about how much I’m paying K.K.and McLouth?
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
3:20 pm
You’re not the best, but you’re the best that I can do.
So, what you’re saying is, Wren and the FO are all country fans?
bravesgrl4life
October 18th, 2010
3:20 pm
Haven’t seen this name banted about, but mlbtraderumors.com is saying Scott Hairston won’t be offered a contract by San Diego. Any thoughts on him?
Hillbilly
October 18th, 2010
3:21 pm
I’m thinking Charlie Robison is calling the shots and Frank Wren is just a puppet on a string.
unbelievable
October 18th, 2010
3:25 pm
Scott Hairston is NOT a very good ballplayer. He’s another low average, low OBP, no power OF’r
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
3:26 pm
Scott Hairston?
Um no…
That idea is about as good as Rajai Davis or second runs at Garret Anderson, Ryan Langerhans, and the head of Alredo Garcia
rdawg
October 18th, 2010
3:27 pm
DOB – This was the best season of Mad Men by far in my opinion. Total transformation of Don’s character. I like the shift and focus on Betty’s flaws that were somewhat kept at bay during the first 3 seasons. Rubicon was a show that really grew on me too. Wonderful writing and directing.
ryan c
October 18th, 2010
3:39 pm
RC, because he’s arbitration eligible for the 3rd time. just because he was a free agent before doesnt mean we dont have to release him.
Bobby's Cox
October 18th, 2010
3:40 pm
The Braves could sign a Werth or a Crawford. They’d just have to defer a bigger portion of the salary till 2012/2013 when Chipper, Lowe, Hudson, etc salaries come off the books and then you have Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheren, etc… in the pitching staff making minimums.
Right?
RC
October 18th, 2010
3:41 pm
ryan c,
You are right. I realized that and tried to post a correction to my previous post, but it must have been sent to blog purgatory.
Robert
October 18th, 2010
3:43 pm
” I’d still rather get to the WS and lose than not get there at all.”
I disagree. I’d rather watch a 50 win roster win 55 games than watch a World Series roster win a division title.
Turner Field WAS cursed, but he just retired
Man I tried to read that rambling nonsense from Cox that DOB quoted – I’ve heard more sense from Alzheimer’s patients
Bobby's Cox
October 18th, 2010
3:43 pm
DOB,
Last week you posted a stat from SI that said a MLB leading 14% of ballplayers picked Atl as their top team to play for.
How do you think that’s going to affect players’ willingness to play for the team now, and Wren at his attempts to bring players here, now that Bobby’s retired?
RC
October 18th, 2010
3:44 pm
The Braves could sign a Werth or a Crawford. They’d just have to defer a bigger portion of the salary till 2012/2013 when Chipper, Lowe, Hudson, etc salaries come off the books and then you have Medlen, Minor, Beachy, Teheren, etc… in the pitching staff making minimums.
Right?
But by then you’ll be having to pay higher arbitration salaries for Jurrjens, Hanson, Medlen, Prado, etc. Signing players to heavily backloaded deals is not something the Braves have traditionally done, because you end up paying players well beyond their usefulness to your team. That’s how a lot of teams end up long “rebuilding” periods.
MFin04
October 18th, 2010
3:44 pm
Would love to see Diaz come back next year, but not at something like 3 to 4 million a year. Maybe that for a 2 year deal.
Braves need some serious power in LF or CF. It’s actually pretty ironic that the two big name free agents (Werth and Crawford) are exactly what the Braves are looking for and need yet won’t even attempt to sign one of them.
And the Braves have the money to sign one of them if they want to. They could easily find the money in the budget, problem is that they don’t want to spend the money on either of those two guys, and love a weak platoon at two outfield positions.
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
3:45 pm
Dude, Robert….
Are you STILL on Cox?
Let it go man, its over…
Robert
October 18th, 2010
3:46 pm
“You want the stud outfielder? Give up the stud pitcher”
Teams that trade stud pitching one for one for stud hitting are the teams that spend in the top tier but finish in the second division
The ONLY time you part with a stud pitcher who is under reasonable contract is when you get a better stud pitcher in the deal – i.e. – you let Cliff Lee go if doing so lets you get Roy Halladay
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
3:46 pm
Fin-
After what I’ve read and all the “creativity” that needs to happen, I’m not sure Frank has the cash to even restock the mini bar.
RC
October 18th, 2010
3:48 pm
Fin-
After what I’ve read and all the “creativity” that needs to happen, I’m not sure Frank has the cash to even restock the mini bar.
He should go buy from the guys outside the stadium. It’s like 1/4 of the price!
keylargo
October 18th, 2010
3:50 pm
I think the Braves will attempt to sign Saito if he is healthy. Look at his numbers in July, August and Sept minus his last appearance when he was injured.
26 AP / 25.2 IP / 20 H / 1 HR / 3 ER / 30 SO / 1,07 ERA / .211 BA / .235 SLG / 498 OPS
This guy is lights out and would be a valuable 6th and 7th inning shut down guy to get us to the setup man.
Robert
October 18th, 2010
3:50 pm
“DO YOU REALLY THINK WREN WON’T DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO BUILD A WINNER?”
Wren’s job isnt to build a winner. Wren’s job is to use his allotted budget to put together a product that maximizes profit for the Braves organization
TennesseePaul
October 18th, 2010
3:50 pm
You know scoots, there will always and forever be plenty of excuses not to do something. Plenty of them. Plenty of reasons not to dance… girl is “too pretty” she wants a limo and an expensive corsage… girl is too ugle and still wants the limo and expensive corsage… But at some point something has to be done which is contrary to the previous five years of excuses… otherwise you die a lonely old man with nothing to show for it.
These guys were/are “too expensive” for their skill set and not the “girls to take home.” Over the last five seasons…
Crawford has hit: .303/.350/.462/.812 14HR/year 115 OPS+
Holliday has hit: .323/.397/.557/.954 29HR/year 143 OPS+
Werth has hit: .282/.380/.506/.885 25HR/year 131 OPS+
The Braves over the last five season in Left field, averaging over 6 players per season at the position: .268/.331/.402/.733 14HR/Year 86 OPS+
Forgive me, but five more years of this crap or five years of “over paying” Jason Werth or, had we done it last year, Matt Holliday… I’m getting to the point where I’d rather “over pay”. At least there would be a consistent body in the outfield doing something. And frankly I wouldn’t pay attention to the lonely wall flowers to scared to dance.
People were laughing at the Phillies for the same reason. Laughing at them as they keep going to the world series. Winning the division. Winning Pennants…. winning… “fools, they over paid. Yeah, sure, my favorite team hasn’t won in a long time, but they’re great with accounting! Can make a budget decrease look like an increase! And Bud Selig praises their handling of the free agent market.”