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DS1
October 18th, 2010
12:25 pm
Cody Ross deal fell apart over a box of Cuban cigars. The Braves were going to send Jason Heyward and Julio Teheran for Ross and a box of Cuban Cigars for Bobby’s going away present, and the Marlins nix’d the deal.
CB
October 18th, 2010
12:27 pm
Tomas,how many quality starts for Hanson with only 10 wins? We need to not give credit except how the pitcher performed on that given start or starts.
DAP
October 18th, 2010
12:27 pm
CB pitching or top pitching prospects will be traded. Maybe Infante.
maybe, but thats not what wren told DOB.
from the blog article But the Braves aren’t going to trade potential future No. 1 starters Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado, and Wren makes it sound like they’re inclined not to trade other young arms already in the majors, such as rumored potential trade target Jair Jurrjens.
im not sure if the braves can pull off a huge deal without giving up one of tehran or delgado. there is other pitching, but those are the big prizes.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
12:28 pm
Trader Jim
So you’re saying KK and McLouth for Beltran? Would the Mets be sending some cash?
I’d do that deal if the Mets would send some cash along. Not sure what Beltran is owed though……. I think he’s on the hook for 18 million this year, but not sure about any future years.
Andy S.
October 18th, 2010
12:29 pm
You know as much as this will be a pipe dream – I’d kinda like to see Chip restructure his contract and give back some of the money he is owed next season. He’s made plenty of it in his career, and he’s only won one World Series championship. If he restructured his contract so Wren would have a little more cash to play with and say, make a solid offer to Crawford to be his/our table setter so that he can knock in 100 RBIs again it may be a good thing for the team AND him.
Dont get me wrong, I am a HUGE fan of Chip, he’s a great asset to the team, and has earned every cent of his money. But I guess if I was in his shoes would. I would want the World Series ring more than the money at this point.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
12:29 pm
DAP
And after FW got burned 2 years ago, I don’t see him showing his hand either. Frank is not stupid either, he will listen to offers.
Lollygagger
October 18th, 2010
12:31 pm
I think the Braves might have jumped the gun on hiring a new manager so quickly… apparently some of us refuse to move on. This is gonna take a while- and even then, will the Bobby Cox sucks talk ever stop? Hey, I’m having trouble paying my credit card bill this month… wanna blame him for that too? Just remember this: Bobby built that team of the 90s while he was GM in late 80s. The 90s were really good for the Braves. I’d still rather get to the WS and lose than not get there at all.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 18th, 2010
12:32 pm
And like it or not, you cannot change the fact that he was lucky to even have the one, with the Braves scoring only one run in the final game and requiring a shutout in order to win.—-.Don
Don, for some reason I always get confused with this was it Tom Glavine or John Smoltz who pitched the shut-out? One thing is certainly clear who ever it was pitching the great performance was a direct reflection on the astounding conditioning and training from Leo. With Roger as the coach they would’ve pulled the pitcher after 6 innings.
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
12:33 pm
^^ Tom Glavine 8 IP 2 H
CB
October 18th, 2010
12:34 pm
DAP,what I was referring to was we have nothing else to offer other than our pitching or prospects. They will not trade any of the few good position players we have.
LTBF
October 18th, 2010
12:35 pm
WHIP is better judge of pitching.
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
12:37 pm
make a solid offer to Crawford to be his/our table setter
Crawford hates hitting leadoff, and with his OBP, it’s no wonder. What IS a wonder is that folks still want to spend nine figures on a guy with his skill set.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 18th, 2010
12:37 pm
P-Town Brave ©
Glav or smoltz was Sarcasm I know who pitched it.
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
12:37 pm
Carlos Beltran:01/11/05: Signed seven-year, $119 million contract w/full NTC ($11 million signing bonus). 2009: $18.5 million, 2010: $18.5 million, 2011: $18.5 million, 2012: Free Agent
DS1
October 18th, 2010
12:38 pm
Andy S
Not going to happen, unless he retires. Then he might negotiate a long term personal services contract. Chipper has renegotiated before, and signed for less than market value. I don’t think the Braves are interested in asking him to forgo his pay again.
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
12:40 pm
Giants GM Brian Sabean hinted Sunday that outfielder Cody Ross is likely to be tendered a contract this offseason.
Ross earned $4 million this season and will see a decent-sized raise via salary arbitration heading into 2011. But the Giants have been impressed with the 29-year-old, especially in the postseason. “His situation is not daunting,” Sabean said. “His number isn’t going to go off the map.” Ross has said that he would like to work out a multi-year contract.
Source: San Jose Mercury News
CB
October 18th, 2010
12:41 pm
Scoots,agree 100%. Why do we keep bringing up names that don’t fit our needs? You might lose your PAW application if you keep that up. lol
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
12:44 pm
Beltran is a shell of his former self, and has an awful attitude. He’s one of the faces of the Mets failures. No thanks.
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
12:47 pm
Carl Crawford will be a Red Sox next season…
Gary O
October 18th, 2010
12:49 pm
“They are 14-21 in home postseason games at Turner Field…”DOB .
Maybe the Braves don’t need home field advantage after all.
Trader Jim,
I would consider trading Nate and KK (~$13.2 mil) for Beltran ($18.5 mil), if the Mets would send $2.65 mil to cover half of the difference.
But I would still be in the market for a legit left fielder.
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
12:54 pm
Gary O: That would be a concession I am sure.
We get a CF with HR potential and relieve ourselves of KK and McOut. If Beltran doesn’t workout what have we lost?
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
12:55 pm
Braves get: Braun from Brewers
Brewers get: Infante and JJ
Smitty
October 18th, 2010
12:57 pm
I’m curious if the A’s will make Rajai Davis available with Chris Carter and Michael Taylor seemingly ready for the bigs
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
12:58 pm
^^ Would NEVER happen
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
1:00 pm
2B- Prado
RF- Heyward
3B- Chipper
LF-Braun
C- McCann
CF- Betran
1B- Freeman
SS- Gonzalez
Starting Staff:
Hudson
Lowe
Hanson
Vazquez
Beachy
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:01 pm
P-Town Brave
I assume you’re talking about the Braun trade, in which case , I agree. I’ve seen Braun thrown around here alot. Why would the Brewers trade the face of their franchise for nothing? Braun is going nowhere.
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
1:03 pm
Why? Brewers need to make something happen… They vastly improve a huge weakness in their pitching staff and replace Braun in LF with Infante. The Braves fill their needs too.
Smitty
October 18th, 2010
1:04 pm
Trader Jim: do you realize he is the face of their franchise
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
1:04 pm
CB Tommy Hanson 19 quality starts 10-11…..better ERA, more strikeouts than Lowe, more innings…
Run support
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
1:04 pm
For nothing??? an All Star and a potential Cy Young winner?
Buckeyebrave
October 18th, 2010
1:04 pm
Gary O, I’m not big on trading within our own division but trading KK and Nate for Beltran might be interesting because Beltran is in his walk year and we get rid of KK, who is totally useless to us. Beltran might be real motivated to stick it to the Mets and his next contract is on the line. If he’s healthy and motivated he fills you big hitter and centerfielder role.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
October 18th, 2010
1:04 pm
Braves get: Braun from Brewers
Brewers get: Infante and JJ
If I was the Brewers I would pass. It’s a good starting point but, I think they value Braun more than that.
If Braun was a Brave would you take JJ and Infante for him?
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:05 pm
Jim
It will NEVER happen. If the Brewers were dumb enough to trade Braun (especially with Fielder leaving), it would take way more than you propose. Possibly a Teheran or Delgado. Think about what you’re saying: “replace Braun with Infante.” Really?
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
1:06 pm
So what… they need to do something different.
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
1:06 pm
Don’t forget about JJ in their rotation
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
1:07 pm
KK and Mclouth for Beltran, you guys serious……No way the Mets take that
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:07 pm
Tradin the best player in your franchise, who you control affordably for several years is not the way to do something different. If the Brewers GM made that deal, he’d be unemployed thee next day. Think Hart, Gamel or someone like that.
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:08 pm
Tomas
You’re right, now that Minaya is gone.
Gibby
October 18th, 2010
1:10 pm
Gamel interests me if the price is right. He could play LF for a year or so then move to 3rd when Chipper retires
bozz
October 18th, 2010
1:10 pm
I brought this up a couple months ago, and I’m not sure of the numbers and how they’d match up, but what about going after Delmon Young of the Twins? I bring this up because I live in Twins country and there are rumblings about moving Joe Mauer to left to save his knees.
Young came into his own offensively this season, and while he IS a liability in left field, he (if he keeps up his development) should be good for .275-300 BA/15-25 HR/90-120 RBI.
The Twinkies love pitching, so maybe we could send them a quality starter and a minor league infielder or something.
Thoughts?
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
1:11 pm
No way Braun goes to ATL for anything less than JJ AND Teheran
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:12 pm
Delmon’s vaue is high, and it would cost alot, but I’d love to have him. I’d like to see Wren at least ask about what it would take.
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
1:13 pm
^^ It only would have taken Yunel last season…
We sure missed the boat on that one!
ECU Alum
October 18th, 2010
1:14 pm
I don’t know if anyone here has already posted this but I got this text earlier and thought you guys would enjoy….
Cody Ross spelled backwards: Ssory Doc!
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:15 pm
ECU Alum
That’s hilarious!
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:17 pm
I have a bad feeling that we’ll end up with more of a Ludwick type.
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
1:18 pm
Ludwick would be a step up from what we’ve had to endure…
DS1
October 18th, 2010
1:18 pm
If I were the Milwaukee Brewers, Braun would cost you Freeman, Teheran, Jurrjens and Venters.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
1:20 pm
The true wild card for our team next year is Chipper Jones. Whether he comes back or not, and if he does, what will he be able to provide?
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:21 pm
P-Town
I agree, but I hope we get a true difference maker. That, or we get a Ludwick type, with a real productive CF.
Murph
October 18th, 2010
1:22 pm
Why all this talk of Beltran? The Mets won’t trade their main guy, the face of the team, to a team within the same division. Not going to happen. Talking about it is a waste of time.
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
1:23 pm
KK, Mclouth, and something else for Carlos Beltran might work. But it needs to be a nice prospect at least. Somebody like JJ Hoover
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
1:23 pm
^^ Like I said before, good luck with that…
We may be able to somehow get KK off our hands, but we’re not getting rid of both KK and Nate…
Therefore, its a much greater likelyhood that Nate McLouth is somewhere in the OF to open the 2011 season.
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
1:25 pm
Has everyone gone mad in ATL, remember how we started the run in 92′, we had good speed at the top of lineup, solid power thru middle, & ability to manufacture runs. Look at what these upstarts like Texas & others are doing. I think San Fran is a mirror image of what is wrong with our team, get some sound pitching & wait for the long ball !!! Every inning should be an adventure for the opposing pitcher, hit & runs, double steals, suicide bunts or whatever it takes to make teams fear us. If these guys get back to the old sandlot days & have some fun out there, the leadership & fire we’ve been looking for just may return. Say what you want about a lot of these managers out there, but you can tell when these teams are having fun out there.
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:26 pm
Murph
After what the Mets have been through with Beltran, they might trade him. I just don’t think we should go after him. His knees are shot, and he gets lazy.
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
1:26 pm
Murph-
Since when was Beltran “face of the franchise”…
Yes, he may have received the big contract, but ask anyone, David Wright is the franchise player.
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:27 pm
ReddJonn
I don’t think that leadership, fire, and fun were a problem this year. I do agree that we need more “small ball.”
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
1:28 pm
Beltran is making 18.5 million in 2011
Klaus
October 18th, 2010
1:28 pm
Braun will cost JJ, Delgado and the best OF prospect we have to start
Murph
October 18th, 2010
1:28 pm
Regardless of who you think Beltran is the “Face o’ the Mets” they aren’t going to trade him to Atlanta. Think about it. It won’t happen.
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:29 pm
I know it would never happen, but I’d love to have David Wright. Like I said, it won’t ever happen, but I felt bad for him being stuck in the baseball purgatory that is the Mets. The guy is a winner, but even he couldn’t lead those losers.
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
1:29 pm
Not going to happen. Talking about it is a waste of time.
Murph, if contributors are restricted from “waste of time” trade ideas, we certainly won’t ever have to worry about hitting 10000 posts.
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
1:31 pm
Braun is untouchable, and we all know it…..I’d be willing to do something like JJ for Braun straight up since the Brewers aren’t then forget about Braun
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
1:32 pm
I would think Braun would cost somewhere around here:
One of :
JJ
Hanson
One of :
Kimbrell
Venters
One of :
Delgado
Teheran
Vizcaino
AND: A high level position prospect
Rodney Derrick
October 18th, 2010
1:32 pm
Just watched season finales for Rubicon and Mad Men on the DVR. Knew all along that….I won’t tell as that would give it away to those who have not seen the show as most of us see these shows after their original run times.
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
1:33 pm
The Mariners have a new manager…
You think he likes Asians
Murph
October 18th, 2010
1:33 pm
yeah scoots, I know… then I guess I should throw out my suggestion of getting Tex back from the Yankees for Hanson, JJ, and Minor. Teach him how to pitch and we’ll be printing tickets to the World Series.
Makes about as much sense as going after Beltran.
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:33 pm
Just a quick question. Isn’t Rasmus’ brother in our system? I could be wrong.
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:34 pm
A Braun trade would be worse than the Tex trade
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
1:36 pm
Owl Hunter, yes he is
P-Town Brave ©
October 18th, 2010
1:36 pm
^^ Yes, nothing like fueling major parts to the Rangers first ever playoff series victory
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:38 pm
If we trade for Braun, we can fuel the Brewers’ first World Series.
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
1:38 pm
Every inning should be an adventure for the opposing pitcher, hit & runs, double steals, suicide bunts or whatever it takes to make teams fear us
Unfortunately, those are not the offensive strategems that cause fear. More like annoyance.
If you want real fear, I mean fire-and-brimstone, wrath-of-God, curl-up-in-a-fetal-ball fear, you don’t get it with bunts and stolen bases. You get it by showing the opponent that they’ll be lucky to get three runs, and that your team has the ability to get that many and more on a single pitch. From multiple spots in the lineup.
Steve-OH had it just right…get some bats and take some names. Make some pitchers cry for mama, and spit on them when they do.
cabravesfan
October 18th, 2010
1:39 pm
Braun’s also got a full no-trade clause that goes through next season…but it really doesn’t matter because the Brewers are not going to trade him
David O'Brien
October 18th, 2010
1:40 pm
Gary O, do you think the Mets would want McLouth and KK for two of the 25 spots on their roster?
Gary O
October 18th, 2010
1:40 pm
No way the Brewers trade Braun, unless they get blown away with an offer. And I hope the Braves dont blow them away.
And I dont think the Mets would trade Beltran either. Imagine if gets healthy, and plays like his old self?
The bad thing for the Braves, the lowered expectations syndrome that somebody mentioned. I can see Wren being creative, and getting a Ludwick type. And then he will point out how Ludwick is an improvement over what we had last year.
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:41 pm
Ludwick SUUUUUCCCKKKKEED in San Diego
ncscoots
October 18th, 2010
1:43 pm
And then he will point out how Ludwick is an improvement over what we had last year.
And that would be true. Unfortunately, it would also be true that he’s still [enter player name here].
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
October 18th, 2010
1:44 pm
Thanks DOB. (re: your Baylor comment)
He’d be a nice early X-Mas present..(LOL).
AND for all of you Pendleton-haters, I follow former Phillie John Kruk on Twitter and he follows me, and even he said the Braves hitting woes especially down the stretch were NOT because of T.P., but he did say Brooks screwed (better word than he used) over Bobby…BIG TIME.
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
1:45 pm
What would it take to acquire Rasmus?
Randall Delgado, and Stephen Marek enough?
David O'Brien
October 18th, 2010
1:46 pm
Owl Hunter: Yes, Rasmus’ brother is a Braves minor league pitcher. Cory Rasmus, 22, was the 38th overall pick of the 2006 draft. He went 6-9 with a 3.18 ERA in 28 games (20 starts) last season at Rome and Myrtle Beach.
Trader Jim
October 18th, 2010
1:47 pm
IMHO the Braves will trade one of their yound starting pitchers like JJ for a big name OFer. Why is it so far fetched to think the Braves will not get a big name in return for a young pitcher with loads of potential like JJ. We sell the Braves players short. GM’s know you have to trade quality for quality or bad contracts for bad contracts, take a chance because nothing is guaranteed and keep your fingers crossed!!!
Tomas
October 18th, 2010
1:48 pm
Cory Rasmus curve ball was rated the best in the organization I think I read that somewhere last year.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
October 18th, 2010
1:49 pm
For the one blogger than said *The Closer* is the best show on TV…
I beg to differ………gotta be CSI, Miami, and not the Kyra Sedgewick is ugly, but Emily Proctor is WAY hotter than Kyra..(LOL)
jeffrey d
October 18th, 2010
1:49 pm
I dunno about Rasmus…we’re already pretty lefty-heavy
ReddJonn68
October 18th, 2010
1:49 pm
@ Owl Hunter I beg to differ , true we did have a lot of ” fiery ” wins I’ll give them that. It Just seemed that during the last 15 games of the season, including the playoff series. Guys seemed tense not loose or having ” fun”. Also during that same stretch when we barely staying afloat I definitely did not see one single player step to the forefront & show ” leadership” by calling guys out, it was always Bobby making comments about opportunities missed.
DS1
October 18th, 2010
1:50 pm
Maybe we should get Micah Owings from the Reds, and move him to left field. And then talk Ryan Freel out of retirement to leadoff and play CF. Lock down lineup then.
David O'Brien
October 18th, 2010
1:50 pm
From Buster’s ESPN blog today, list of pitchers with most postseason starts without a loss to begin their careers:
Orel Hershiser: 10 (1985 to 1995)
Roy Oswalt: 9 (2004 to ‘10)
Orlando Hernandez: 9 (1998 to 2000)
John Smoltz: 9 (1991 to ‘92)
DS1
October 18th, 2010
1:51 pm
Frank in KS
No way. It’s gotta be Guy Fieri in Triple D; Diners, Drive-ins and Dives!
jeffrey d
October 18th, 2010
1:51 pm
John Smoltz had 9 wins in just 2 postseasons? WOW
DS1
October 18th, 2010
1:52 pm
Oswalt dodged a bullit against the Reds earlier this post season.
MFin04
October 18th, 2010
1:53 pm
So the Braves are at 75 million with Chipper and KK’s contract. Trade KK with 4 million and you can take almost 3 million of the books. Surely someone would take on KK’s salary if it was around 3 million right? That puts you at about 72 million, and Braves have 18-20 million to spend? Surely they could get a big name bat with that right?
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:53 pm
Pennant races are stressful. I wouldn’t want to see our guys joking around. The end of the season is all business. Also, calling out your teammates through the media does not constitute leadership. None of us knoww how it was in the clubhouse. Furthermore, Bobby never shows all of his cards to the press.
DAP
October 18th, 2010
1:53 pm
tomas, probably not. the cardials needs include starting pitching, lefty relief, offensive upgrade at 3rd, SS, or 2nd, and an outfielder, if they trade rasmus. and they need whatever players they get to be dirt cheap.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
October 18th, 2010
1:53 pm
LMAO…DSI
yeaahhhh…..righttttt
LOL
Owl Hunter
October 18th, 2010
1:55 pm
MFin04
Don’t forget the raises owed to our arbitration eligibles.
Efrim
October 18th, 2010
1:55 pm
If I were the Milwaukee Brewers, Braun would cost you Freeman, Teheran, Jurrjens and Venters.
Braun isn’t going anywhere. I’m not sure why these names are brought up.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
October 18th, 2010
1:56 pm
DSI – I’m still calling a Rangers/Giants WS
I know I’m going off on a limb here, but I just have this gut feeling…the Phils are going to sqander it and so are the Yanks…(woohoo).
Yanks are lucky to be getting out of Texas with a split……bc by all rights, they should be down 2-0.
Efrim
October 18th, 2010
1:57 pm
What would it take to acquire Rasmus?
Probably a lot. More than most are thinking here, imo.
TennesseePaul
October 18th, 2010
1:58 pm
What IS a wonder is that folks still want to spend nine figures on a guy with his skill set.
He may very well get too big of a check. But I think, at least from my perspective, the desire is not so much the money, it’s the revolving door in LF and the persistent beat in the off-season to “find a big bat”.
The team needs another good hitter. And they need one they can stick out there for a few years at least. Over the last, near decade, the distribution of games played to number of players playing the position is disturbing. It’s been since 2003 that the team has had a steady, good hitting Left Fielder… and that was Chipper Jones. Prior to that it was the mid to late 90’s with Ryan Klesko.
Crawford, Wreth, Holliday, Bay, and on and on may not be the most ideal financial investment long term. But the longing for them is set in the desire to have some one proven in the position for any length of time.
Year_Player___________Games_Players Used
2010 Melky Cabrerra.....84.............7
2009 Garret Anderson...124.............6
2008 Gregor Blanco......77.............8
2007 Matt Diaz..........95.............5
2006 Ryan Langerhans...104.............5
2005 Kelly Johnson......79.............5
2004 Chuck Thomas.......70.............7
2003 Chipper Jones.....149.............6
2002 Chipper Jones.....152.............7
2001 B.J. Surhoff......129.............7
2000 Reggie Sanders.....69.............8
1999 Gerald Williams...120.............7
1998 Ryan Klesko.......120.............5
1997 Ryan Klesko.......138.............6
1996 Ryan Klesko.......144.............7
1995 Ryan Klesko.......102.............7
1994 Ryan Klesko........63.............6