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Fleming
October 25th, 2010
12:18 pm
CraZyTraDeMaN
Nope. Wouldn’t still be playing without KJ.
Buckeyebrave
October 25th, 2010
12:21 pm
Instead of beating dead horses like Frenchy and Yunel, why not think like a GM and look at all the other options that might be better. This team is obviously getting close to being able to compete for a world series ring. It is usually not the super stars that carry the day. It’s guys like Cody Ross or Mark Lemke that win your championships, if you have the pitching. We have the pitching and if we can tighten up our defense, improve our ability to play small ball, ie bunt and move runners over, we will be in a position to win it all. Now lets focus on those key but small aquisitions like Ross and Lemke.
Fleming
October 25th, 2010
12:22 pm
Buckeyebrave
We already discussed Coco Crisp
Travis
October 25th, 2010
12:23 pm
It’s clear to all braves country that if Yunel and Frenchy were still here we’d still be playing!!!
Just shows you how bad some of the Braves were. Also shows how good some of the other guys were. Best record at home in the majors! Those come from behind wins were awesome. If I remember right a couple of big wins came via Conrad, Ankiel and Nate. About 7 wins if I counted correctly. How many did they cost us?
Murph
October 25th, 2010
12:24 pm
“http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Top of the page…….examining the teams that need OF help and what their options are.”
Well, that was freakin’ depressing. Looks like Ryan Langerhans is available.
LTBF
October 25th, 2010
12:25 pm
Abwright 11:53
About Dish network, it is the same with Vonage phone service. You have to pay when you leave, even when service is so bad you can’t use phone.
CraZyTraDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
12:27 pm
I forgot Booby would still be the manager so no matter who we still had we would never be able to overcome his many inabilities.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
12:29 pm
DAN UGGLA, he’s our man. If he can’t do it nobody can.
LTBF
October 25th, 2010
12:30 pm
Guess you folks don’t want Jeff. I really don’t ether, but if Liberty won’t spend to get someone better he is a option.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
12:31 pm
“………About 7 wins if I counted correctly. How many did they cost us?………”
Off the3 top of my head, I’d say about the same.
Danga
October 25th, 2010
12:33 pm
How many did they cost us?
A lot easier to remember a walk off homer compared to a few 0fer nights in a row. Conrad was out of place by the end of the season, but those other 2 were just awful. They surely cost us as many if not more than they won for us.
LPad
October 25th, 2010
12:33 pm
CrazyTrade – My point is we have an awful hitting shortstop. When making trades we should acquire players that make the team better. This catch lighting in a bottle nonsense (i.e. Gonzo he’s on a hot streak and Ankiel) is a waste of time.
Danga
October 25th, 2010
12:35 pm
if Liberty won’t spend to get someone better he is a option.
The number of players I would sign for the minimum before I’d sign Frenchy to another contract is endless.
Bat Masterson
October 25th, 2010
12:36 pm
Jeff Francouer’s Year-by-Year SLG %:
2005 – .549
2006 – .449
2007 – .444
2008 – .359
2009 – .423
2010 – .383
It’s not a straight line, but pretty close. And not in the right direction.
You what they say, ” the trend is your friend”. If Jeff was a stock I would short it.
Fleming
October 25th, 2010
12:37 pm
Buckeyebrave
You don’t know what you are asking for on this blog wanting to discuss reasonable trades. Won’t be long before we get the reasonable well thought out trade proposals like — Nate and KK to the Cards for Albert. The Braves can move Albert to left field for our power LF and the Cards get a starting pitcher and Nate to take Rasmus’ place in center. Plus that frees up money for the Cards to sign Lee for 1b. See, that’s a great trade for both teams. They both get what they need right.
CraZyTraDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
12:38 pm
awful hitting shortstop
It was an upgrade IMO. Gonzo is a solid SS and a OK hitter to have hitting in the bottom of the order 7th or 8th. I think FW did a fine job getting rid of a cancer and getting a piece that could play solid D and hit in the 7th or 8th spot next season. After next season then we will see what the farm produces or we will aquire a SS through FA or trade.
David O'Brien
October 25th, 2010
12:39 pm
Daybed, so anyone can attend those shows at Levon’s house, huh? I was under the impression you had to be invited or something. That’s awesome that you got to see one, particularly with Steve Earle taking part. I’ve read so much about those shows up there, and seen a bunch of video of a few of them, it looks like it’d be just an unforgettable experience. I’m jealous.
flange1
October 25th, 2010
12:42 pm
How is this for an idea, pull a Marlins thing and move Freddie Freeman to LF and bring back Derrick Lee to play 1B for a 1 or 2 year thing.
You keep Freeman and add the RH bat you need?
It ain’t perfect but is a heck of a lot better than Frenchy!
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
12:47 pm
O.K.. O.K. we get PAT BURRELL and JOHNNY DAMON and roll to the WS in 2011.
Danga
October 25th, 2010
12:47 pm
Hard for me to ever see Gonzalez as an upgrade. They both sucked this year although Yuni had an exceptional year at SS according the defensive metrics. If anything it was a lateral move. You hear all this stuff about the team applauding when Gonzo arrived and such, but it is hard to see how that plays out on the field. As for playing SS I’d take Esco anyday, but FW has to think about other things as well I suppose.
brian
October 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
is Freeman athletic enough to play LF?
it would probably be easier to do that for 1-2 years, then focus on getting a young CF
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
12:50 pm
Of course, BURRELL will always have the stigma of being a former PHILLIE, but I guess he’s clean by now. The stink of FILTHIES garments must have worn off by now.
David O'Brien
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
Of the 25 major league right fielders who had at least 400 plate appearances in 2010, Jeff Francoeur ranked 25th (last) in OPS at .683, nine points below Roger Bernadina of the Nats.
It’s beyond me why anyone would think he should or would be an option for the Braves, who are trying to make a sharp upgrade in left field or center field (they already have a RF, you might have heard).
brian
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
Danga – to rid the clubhouse of a cancer, a lateral move in production at SS is well worth it.
Why the constant fixation on Yunel and Frenchy?
abwright
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
Looking at the non-tender/trade ranks, Braves could bring back Ryan Langerhaans and Willie Harris to man the outfield, along with Frenchy and Andruw. Get a little Kelly Johnson in LF and the Braves are all set. Make it so, Frank!
Maybe if the Braves get enough 5th outfielders, they can do some Weird Science and create a decent CF and LF out of the parts.
richbrave
October 25th, 2010
12:51 pm
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brian
October 25th, 2010
12:53 pm
agreed DOB. To top it off Frenchy, despite being last in many statistical categories such as OPS, did not understand why he was losing playing time so he requested a trade. He would not work with Pendleton here. He threw a tempertantrum when sent to the minors to work on his swing and basically forced himself back up.
Frenchy has been terrible and shown no inclination on trying to improve.
Not who I want on my team
abwright
October 25th, 2010
12:53 pm
LTBF .. thanks for the info. I can understand a buy out of remaining contract but I cannot understand a perpetually renewing contract with a buy out.
Gary O
October 25th, 2010
12:54 pm
You know we’re desperate (and financially challenged) when we’re throwing around Andruw and Frenchy.
As for the Nate discussion, if his contract was up, we would be thrilled to let him go. But because he is under contract and almost untradeable, we are forced to hope that he returns to his average.
And looking at free agents for CF and LF, the market is weak. I think Braves might have to overpay in free agency or in the trade market.
CraZyTraDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
12:55 pm
Danga
If I knew nothing other than talent. I’d take Yunel 100 out of 100 times. We don’t know what he was like in the clubhouse. Obviously it was bad enough for them to trade a talented SS. That’s why I called it an upgrade. Plus I couldn’t stand watching him stick his bottom lip out while staring at the press box waiting for an official score and then pouting about getting an E. That always annoyed the piss out of me. It’s just an opinion. OK I’m done no more previous trade talks
LTBF
October 25th, 2010
12:55 pm
Things to do, back later, good day all.
Murph
October 25th, 2010
12:56 pm
Ok, I’ve got it. I know what to do. Sign Andruw, sign Langerhans, get Frenchy back.
Instead of playing with 4 infielders and 3 outfielders, play with 4 outfielders and only 3 infielders. Chipper at the corner, Prado playing center infield, and Freeman at 1st. Frenchy in left, Andruw in deep center, Heyward in right, and Langerhans in short center.
Hit the pitcher in the cleanup slot.
It’s genius!
LPad
October 25th, 2010
12:58 pm
I’m pretty sure that we could have found a noncancerous shortstop that could of hit bettr than 240/291/386/678.
btw, there are a lot of players throughout sports that are wearing rings as a result of their time on teams with bad chemistry.
So yeah, we had time to find something better. Heck, we could of waited until the trade deadline.
CraZyTraDeMaN
October 25th, 2010
12:58 pm
Murph
Just let the pitcher lead off. It’ll get him out of the way.
MikeInFl
October 25th, 2010
1:02 pm
You know we’re desperate (and financially challenged) when we’re throwing around Andruw and Frenchy.
Gary, I really, really hope that the Braves’ management is thinking a little bigger than some bloggers.
Hey, BJ Upton might be available for those who aren’t into that whole “clubhouse chemistry” thingy.
Playoffs!!!!
October 25th, 2010
1:05 pm
“The Machine” to fill our outfield void. Looks like he would have some HR power.
Daybed Wagmoe
October 25th, 2010
1:07 pm
Yup, anybody can go to the Midnight Ramble. Tickets are sold pretty much like any other concert — as long as you can pay before they’re sold out, you’re on the “guest list.” The way it’s advertised — I think the website says something like, “The most gracious host Levon Helm invites you…” — is a little misleading in that it’s not based on invitation.
The music highlight of the night, for me, was “Ophelia,” on which Levon sang. Despite overcoming cancer and getting up there in years, the guy still has the lungs to belt ‘em out.
Snotboogie
October 25th, 2010
1:10 pm
You know we’re desperate (and financially challenged) when we’re throwing around Andruw and Frenchy.
Actually it’s par for the course this time of the offseason, I think. Not much baseball and not enough actual news/rumors to discuss. So go for the safe ex-Braves who everyone assumes will love to come back here and that’ll help them revert to their best.
Playoffs!!!!
October 25th, 2010
1:14 pm
Snotboogie—I agree, but another reason is the Braves actually do that more often than most teams- bring back former players for a second run.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want any of them back, with the exception of Rafeal Furcal (but that ain’t gonna happen)
Danga
October 25th, 2010
1:15 pm
My hesitancy to add Upton would have a lot more to do with his inability to hit a baseball much more so than any clubhouse issues.
GTSteve
October 25th, 2010
1:17 pm
@Murph….that is the worst idea, since that idea you had last week, you know the one we don’t speak of…lol
Fleming
October 25th, 2010
1:18 pm
Matbe we can add the other Upton
Murph
October 25th, 2010
1:21 pm
“@Murph….that is the worst idea, since that idea you had last week, you know the one we don’t speak of…lol”
You’re going to have to be more specific Steve. I had a lot of bad ideas last week.
CB
October 25th, 2010
1:22 pm
flange 1’s idea of moving Freeman to LF and bringing back Lee is intriguing, I have no idea if FF is athletic enough but it could be an option. They would be sacrificing defense I’m sure but I wonder if it is even a thought with the Braves.
Bobby Hill
October 25th, 2010
1:24 pm
It amazing just how thin both the free agent market and the trade market are for impact outfielders. There’s not much there. The Braves don’t have the money to land a free agent. In order to improve the offense you’ve got to trade away desirable pitching. If you exclude Jurrjens, Hanson, and the big three pitching prospects from trade consideration, the Braves don’t have much that would excite other teams. Unless the Braves are willing to vastly over pay for a guy like Willingham, I don’t see the team being able to add a big bat. It just isn’t out there. I expect Wren to re-sign Diaz to a smaller deal and look for a solid platoon player. Sad but true.
GTSteve
October 25th, 2010
1:25 pm
@Murph…..the one that almost got you banned…does that narrow it down any…
Murph
October 25th, 2010
1:30 pm
The Braves are going to have to offer up at least one if not more of the big pitching prospects (JJ, Hanson, Delgado, Teheran) in order to get an impact bat for the outfield. No way around it.
I know there is a lot of time to go before Spring Training, but I’m not very optimistic about the chances of getting a top-flight type guy, let alone 2 if they want to fix CF as well.
Right now I’d bet on one untested rookie type player (Matt Young perhaps?) and one reclamation project (A Jones or Diaz or some other pile of suck) and a similar outcome to this year’s OF production.
I do believe Heyward is going to come back even stronger and better. He’s too smart and dedicated to go all off-season without working on fixing the holes in his swing. If Heyward is better and McLouth returns to his crappy self rather than his completely sh**ty self then the team might not suffer too much from another sub-par left fielder. I dunno.
Murph
October 25th, 2010
1:32 pm
“@Murph…..the one that almost got you banned…does that narrow it down any…”
Hmmmmm… not ringing a bell. Anyone?
DS1
October 25th, 2010
1:35 pm
CB
If flange1 brought up the idea, it has to be lame……….
Lollygagger
October 25th, 2010
1:36 pm
The Braves let LaRoche walk away and then took a one-year gamble on Glaus at 1B directly because they had Freeman penciled in for 1B in 2011. Now, why earth would they move him to another position after all that? By moving Freeman to OF, you then create a problem again at 1B… because it’s not if, but when, will Derek Lee go down with an injury. He already has a gimpy back and a thumb injury- and that’s just the ailments we know of. Say no to Lee, and say no to all this moving people to different positions. Freeman stays at 1B, Prado back to 2B and get a capable fill-in at 3B for if Chipper can’t make comeback. Then get a LF for LF. Not a 1B to play LF and then another 1B to play 1B.
Crockett
October 25th, 2010
1:38 pm
For all of those criticizing Liberty. It could be worse. Liberty Media has been much better than Time Warner in terms of payroll flexibility. If the Braves were drawing 38,000 per game and payroll was where it is, fans would have a right to complain. As it is, the Braves were 13th in attendance and thats about where they will be in payroll. It is unrealistic for us as fans to expect Liberty Media to be at much more than $90-100 million in payroll when our attendance does not justify being higher right now.
CB
October 25th, 2010
1:39 pm
DS1,that is cold. lol
DAP
October 25th, 2010
1:45 pm
CB flange 1’s idea of moving Freeman to LF and bringing back Lee is intriguing
if that is a possibility, i guess the easiest thing to do is offer lee arbitration and see if he takes it. you probably dont want lee for more than a year, right?
that said, thats a little more creative than wren is going to get, i think. freeman is so good at 1st, and lee will cost so much that youd be better off going for burrell, huff, ordonez, ect than bringing lee back. trying to move freeman around is a square peg in a round hole. lets just get a round peg, even if its juan rivera or something.
the more i think about it, the more ordonez is a really good fit, folks.
DAP
October 25th, 2010
1:47 pm
one trade option ive heard a little but not a ton is delmon young. the twins will trade him for pitching, and they have made some bold trades the past few years.
Murph
October 25th, 2010
1:52 pm
I hope if Wren suggests moving Freeman to left that chipper is in the room and slaps him upside the head. No way to prove that the move to left is the cause of Chipper’s injury problems, but it certainly didn’t help.
Moving Freeman would cause more problems that it would solve.
CB
October 25th, 2010
1:52 pm
Didn’t say it was a great idea,just an idea that sounds better than bringing Jeff back.
DAP,wonder how much you think Lee would be offered in arb. ?
flange1
October 25th, 2010
1:53 pm
Thanks DS1!
Lame I am!
Murph
October 25th, 2010
1:54 pm
Delmon Young… now that would be interesting. He’s kinda crazy, but the kid can hit.
CB
October 25th, 2010
2:03 pm
flange1,you are not lame. Lame is stealing someone’s moniker, hating on Bobby,Chipper and every other Brave. Lame is all those who come on in game with spiteful,hateful,ignorant, racists comments. Lame is many things,but you are not lame.
Bat Masterson
October 25th, 2010
2:04 pm
Didn’t say it was a great idea,just an idea that sounds better than bringing Jeff back
I would rather go with a 24 man roster that bring Jeff back.
If Andruw comes back it better be as a caterer.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
2:05 pm
The Braves are going to have to offer up at least one if not more of the big pitching prospects (JJ, Hanson, Delgado, Teheran) in order to get an impact bat for the outfield. No way around it.
And what’s wrong with that? Braves seem to have to proven that there’s more where they came from, when it comes to pitching. Just got to pick the right ones to deal. Because all of those guys aren’t going to pan out to be 15-year perennial All-Stars, as some here seem to think.
DAP
October 25th, 2010
2:05 pm
CB wonder how much you think Lee would be offered in arb. ?
certainly no less than $13.2mil.
Bat Masterson
October 25th, 2010
2:06 pm
Scratch that if Anduw is the caterer then everyone is likely to get fat.
Lollygagger
October 25th, 2010
2:09 pm
Delmon Young is exactly the type of player the Braves would likely seek in a trade scenario. The Braves don’t have a lot of money to spend, but they do have young minor league pitching to use as trade currency. In my opinion, of course. It has probably been discussed before, but anyone know what type of salary young earns and how long he’s under team control? Delmon Young is one of the more “sane” suggestions I’ve seen on here. I still think Rasmus is a real possibility… and if Crawford signs with Boston, then I think Ellsbury might – I said might- become available. But McLouth’s presence probably stamps out that idea unless we could trade McLouth (not possible, is it?)
Murph
October 25th, 2010
2:10 pm
That’s actually a genius move if someone is chemically enhancing their workout routine. Build muscle, cover it up with fat, nobody is the wiser. If Barry Bonds at a chesseburger for every pill he took he would have at least not been quite so obvious.
Murph
October 25th, 2010
2:11 pm
Young earned $2.6mil last year and can be a FA in 2013.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
2:12 pm
If you exclude Jurrjens, Hanson, and the big three pitching prospects from trade consideration, the Braves don’t have much that would excite other teams.
That’s exactly why you do not exclude them from the conversation. Shoot, I’d even listen on Hanson, for the right guy. He’d have to be really, really right, LOL, but I’d listen.
Danga
October 25th, 2010
2:13 pm
If you look at the group of OFers that managed say about a 2-3 WAR last year there are quite a few names who shouldn’t cost a ton. Includes guys such as Demon Young and Dexter Fowler. These are guys who would actually help the team if not spectacularly so. You look higher up the rankings and you see guys such as Angel Pagan or Marlon Byrd who had years far exceeding what anyone would have predicted. There are guys available either via trade or free agency who will have good seasons in their futures. The trick is identifying them.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
2:16 pm
Delmon Young is one of the more “sane” suggestions I’ve seen on here. I still think Rasmus is a real possibility… and if Crawford signs with Boston, then I think Ellsbury might – I said might- become available.
I don’t think Young, Rasmus, or Ellsbury would command multiple top-ten prospects or a front-line ML starter. More JJ Hoover than Julio Teheran. So you may be right, if the Braves intend to hoard their minor league pitching.
DAP
October 25th, 2010
2:17 pm
lollygaggerThe Braves don’t have a lot of money to spend, but they do have young minor league pitching to use as trade currency.
except for young, the price will probably be major league pitching. at least a little bit of it. one of minor, beachy, and jurrjens would have to be included, i think.
im guessing delmon young is under team control for 2 more seasons, though im not clear on that, to be honest.
Danga
October 25th, 2010
2:17 pm
Agree with Scoots also. If you can land a bonafide mashing presence in your lineup, then by all means trade some of those young arms.
Infante for President
October 25th, 2010
2:19 pm
DOB:
One thought and one question as I looked at your last comment:
1. Anybody else kicking himself over the Braves dumping Kelly Johnson? Sure would have looked good in left field…
2. Do you happen to know what the organization’s plans are regarding Barbaro Canizares? Seems like he’s hit fantastically the last 2 years, but because he’s a first basemen, he hasn’t really gotten any opportunities. (I know he DH’d, but 1B would be his position otherwise).
LJ
October 25th, 2010
2:22 pm
Canizares can’t field a lick
RC
October 25th, 2010
2:24 pm
1. Anybody else kicking himself over the Braves dumping Kelly Johnson? Sure would have looked good in left field…
Kelly Johnson – Chase Field + Turner Field = left-handed Matt Diaz.
No thank you.
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
2:24 pm
one of minor, beachy, and jurrjens would have to be included, i think.
Guys, I really think you can scratch Minor from your trade scenarios. Not because he is some monster in the making, but because I can’t envision too many scenarios in which a team would trade a first-rounder from the previous year.
Gary O
October 25th, 2010
2:27 pm
” don’t think Young, Rasmus, or Ellsbury would command multiple top-ten prospects or a front-line ML starter.” ncscoots .
I think multiple top 10 prospects would be needed to get Rasmus.
Tomas
October 25th, 2010
2:35 pm
Would the twins trade Delmon Young?
Playoffs!!!!
October 25th, 2010
2:37 pm
Rasmus in our lineup would make it WAY too lefty-hitting heavy. Not going to happen.
McFann O O – 6
October 25th, 2010
2:41 pm
Danga A lot easier to remember a walk off homer compared to a few 0fer nights in a row.
That depends on how badly the 0-fers stung…
ncscoots
October 25th, 2010
2:43 pm
think multiple top 10 prospects would be needed to get Rasmus.
Really, Gary? I guess I’m just not that enamored of the guy. Two top-ten prospects is a huge ask, I mean, huge.
McFann O O – 6
October 25th, 2010
2:44 pm
Murph Hit the pitcher in the cleanup slot.
Awesome! Let’s do it…
DAP
October 25th, 2010
2:45 pm
playoffs!!!! Rasmus in our lineup would make it WAY too lefty-hitting heavy. Not going to happen.
no, it wouldnt. rasmus coming to the braves would be one of the best trades in a long time. its a best case scenario.
Danga
October 25th, 2010
2:47 pm
Twins have never been shy about making movies. They have some interesting financial decisions to make with both Kubel and Cuddyer. They aren’t flush with cash, and they are paying Mauer a lot. Young will get a raise next year. They’ll definitely talk about it.
Danga
October 25th, 2010
2:49 pm
Funny.
But, look: if FanGraphs is dedicated to any one thing — besides preventing an entire generation of young men from reproducing, I mean — it’s dedicated to trying different things and seeing what works.
Playoffs!!!!
October 25th, 2010
2:51 pm
DAP- Not even being considered by the Braves for the above reason. We already have McCann, Freeman and Heyward swinging from the left side. And we are not trading any of those three guys.
If you don’t understand why it’s not good to have 4 leftys in your starting lineup–then you don’t fully understand baseball
David O'Brien
October 25th, 2010
2:53 pm
NEW BLOGGAGE
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2010
2:53 pm
I just don’t get how someone who showed so much talent and potential like Francoeur could have nose dived like he did. Keep in mind that as recently as early last season, he was still considered to be pretty useful.
jeffrey d
October 25th, 2010
2:53 pm
Perfect timing, Jeff….
DAP
October 25th, 2010
2:54 pm
playoffs!!! Not even being considered by the Braves for the above reason.
if thats true, they are complete idiots.
If you don’t understand why it’s not good to have 4 leftys in your starting lineup–then you don’t fully understand baseball
im speechless here. the way you put that makes me think you are the most clueless person ive ever dealt with when it comes to a batting lineup.
N8
October 25th, 2010
3:02 pm
“It’s beyond me why anyone would think he should or would be an option for the Braves, who are trying to make a sharp upgrade in left field or center field” DOB
While for the most part I agree with you. Same goes for the Andruw conversation some of us had last week. But here’s the thing. YES, we already have a RF. But here’s what our LF did for us last year:
14 HR, 83 RBI .242/.302/.385/.687 in 621 AB
In the same breath, here’s what Jeff did in almost 200 fewer AB:
13 HR, 65 RBI 249/.300/.383/.683 and likely would play considerably better defense than anybody we trolled out into LF last year.
Not saying he’s THE answer. But if Wren can’t swing a trade or use some of the freed up money on a better option. A guy like Jeff or Andruw wouldn’t be horrible options in LF, provided Wren realy upgrades CF.
If Nate McLouth is going to be the everyday CF going into next year, then yeah…. totally agree. Wren needs a massive upgrade in LF.
To me it’s all relative to what we got out of LF using 3 or 4 various options last year. If a guy like Jeff could get 500 AB and allow Wren to not take up 4 roster spots to cover LF…. why not?
I don’t want a guy like Jeff or Andruw as the “prize” acquisition this off-season, and certainly wouldn’t want either of them batting cleanup. But if Wren put all of his eggs in the CF basket (via trade or spending all is cash on a free agent like Wereth – never going to happen), then one of those guys would be a decent option as a #7 or #8 hitter and a fairly good defensive upgrade in LF.
Don’t you think?
Myself? I’d rather have Wren make two trades or free agent signings for two 6-7 million dollar guys in LF and CF, then have him spend 15 million on a CF (or LF) and then go cheap at the other position.
But for some reason, I see him spending big on one spot and going with a Loaf type of player for the other. I could be wrong though. It’s happened before.
Thundersticks
October 25th, 2010
3:13 pm
I wonder if the Mets would trade Beltran for Lowe? With Santana being out next year, they could use a veteran like Lowe. There would obviously have to be other pieces and/or cash involved, but I think its at least worth considering.
nolie
October 25th, 2010
4:36 pm
If I knew nothing other than talent. I’d take Yunel 100 out of 100 times CraZy
me too, and I’m not a huge believer in intangibles and clubhouse camaraderie, I’ve seen too many teams win that did not have it
nolie
October 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
the more i think about it, the more ordonez is a really good fit, folks DAP
another gamble on his age and health, no question he was, and still is to an extent, a talented hitter.