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Steve from OH
October 24th, 2010
11:28 am
eff Francoeur DID NOT cost himself $20 mil by refusing to sign the Brian McCann type contract that the Braves offered him back in 2007
You’re kidding, right? Dude’s almost certainly gonna be a non-tender this offseason. He’s gonna turn a non-tender into 6MM next year and 8MM the year after? Get real. Dude cost himself a lot of cash.
LTBF
October 24th, 2010
11:34 am
Lew 11:13
I see your point, but what if Libery will not spend the bucks to get us a proven FA outfielder, and if they do it will be only one, we need a LF and CFer.
David O'Brien
October 24th, 2010
11:37 am
LTBF: I don’t agree with you that Liberty won’t spend to get a proven FA outfielder. I don’t think they’ll spend $15-18 mill a year to get a proven outfielder (Werth, Crawford, possibly Dunn), but that hardlly means they won’t spend to get an outfielder (or are those the only two in all of baseball who are proven, in your view?).
I do think, however, that they’ll end up getting one via trade just because it’s probably more sensible for a team with their pitching surplus and payroll restrictions. Can probably — probably — get a better player via trade than they can afford via free agency.
David O'Brien
October 24th, 2010
11:41 am
By the way, David O’Brien…arent you the same “David O’Brien who last winter said that the Braves could “easily” trade Derek Lowe and the $45 mil that was left on his contract without the Braves having to eat “too much” of his contract? — Christopher Chance
If you think I said that — and you do, since you “quoted me” — then please simply go back through the archives and find where I said that.
Doc Holiday
October 24th, 2010
11:42 am
Schafer is making a great comeback……….bank on it.
Nate will be inconsistent as ussual.
Werth aint coming here.
Braves will get somebody good, I think.
Dont expect a big name though
Lew
October 24th, 2010
11:44 am
LTBF-They won’t spend the money to get a Werth or Crawford and, quite honestly, I’m not so sure I’d want a high priced, long term deal – that way gets you screwed quickly, more often than not when you have a team with salary constraints. It’s just way to easy to end up with a season that’s not worth the $$$$$$ and then everything goes downhill fast.
If we go out and do the Francoeur route (or anone similar), we’ll end up exactly like we have the past several seasons, with a Loaf, a Melky or someone else of that ilk and we’re right back where we started and have been for more years than we’re vaguely comfortable with.
What I see happening is that Wren puts together a package of minor league arms (Lord Knows we have them in profusion and teams want them) for someone still relatively young with a couple years of contractual control at reasonable rates and picks up a bench player or two, a relief pitcher off the waiver wire and maybe a journeyman starter for backup.
As seen last year, we’re really close, even with the Nates and Melkys running in circles and misjudging fly balls and not hitting. But even so, let’s hope FRank has the wherewithall togo another route and not the same old like we’ve been doing.
That being said, FW went out and fixed the pitching. He fixed the pen. First base is now covered and he has his sights set on the outfield. When he does this, he’ usually successful.
Jake W.
October 24th, 2010
11:49 am
What a game last night, was at a friends house last night when I called the Uribe homer. Hard Swinger, hard thrower. Completely took advantage of that little band box. I know they eliminated us but Congrats to the giants, unlike the dodgers the last few years they were not intimidated at all by the phils who probably had the best three pitchers that they have had since winning the division since 2007 in Hamels, Oswalt, and Halladay. The phillies were cocky and confident and the giants were just a team that believed in their pitching and somehow put it together on offense. Basically they were a healthier version of the braves.
I found it funny that that the experts kept wondering and waiting for that great phils offense of the last few years to show up. I’ve been saying for a while healthy or unhealthy that offense was not the same as years past so really i’m not shocked at all by their postseason performance. Ryan Howard being frozen on the last pitch in philly in front of their crowd, lets just dedicate that one to the overconfident philly fans out there. That team should still be good next year with those three pitchers but if they face some adversity we’ll see how much longer their little sellout streak last.
Steve McP
October 24th, 2010
11:56 am
Lew “with the Nates and Melkys running in circles and misjudging fly balls” –
I couldn’t help but think of the Benny Hill chase music in the background whenever they went on one of their jaunts in the outfield – would make a great lowlight reel.
Lew
October 24th, 2010
11:57 am
SteveMcP-Either that or something from a Keystone Cops routine or a Laurel and Hardy flick.
jeffrey d
October 24th, 2010
12:09 pm
If you think I said that — and you do, since you “quoted me”
I forgot that PL could never quite get the hang of those quotes
richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:10 pm
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GTSteve
October 24th, 2010
12:10 pm
Where do you guys think this NLCS will rank as far as upsets
richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:12 pm
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richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:13 pm
Nowhere’s-ville
jeffrey d
October 24th, 2010
12:14 pm
richbrave, what are you counting?
richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:16 pm
Jake W.
Come back anytime. You actually are sane ……………… for a PHILLIES fan that is.
richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:16 pm
50, fleas man, fleas on my back.
Bat Masterson
October 24th, 2010
12:17 pm
Sure, we had injuries but every team has injuries. I still think we were good enough to be beat the Giants. I’m kind of offended by the idea that a team with six All Stars, the Braves, could be considered inferior to anybody. _ Mitchell
So what Mitchell, Prado was lost before the Giants series. Hudson Pitcher effects one game. Wagner lost to injury during the series. Heyward ineffective, Infante, back up pressed into everyday service. Heap damned good series. No Chipper Jones.
Seriously, there have been managers who’ve been fired for far less. I still cannot believe we lost that game. Mitchell
Cox manipulated Boche to get the match up he want with Hinski facing a right hander, 2 run homer, Braves lead. Kimbrell had the hitter cheating to catch up to the fastball, bury that slider, the hitter is swinging as soon as the pitch leaves Kimbrel’s hand, he can’t hit it game over.
Even if the Giants were better we still choked and it still bothers me………… Seriously, if I really felt as you do that the Giants were measurably better than the Braves, is that supposed to make me be cool with losing? _ Mitchell
The Braves went into that series crippled, yet it could have gone their way. That is a testament to the Braves players and coaching staff.
Your problem is your are married to a conclusion, it’s all Cox’s fault, then you look for evidence to support it. The weakest kind of reasoning, Mitchell.
richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:17 pm
No wait, the number of times ‘MACHINE’ visits my kitchen for sugar.
Gone Viral
October 24th, 2010
12:17 pm
“I will stand behind my belief that Francoeur could easily surpass McCann’s $6.5 mil 2011 salary. ”
Jonathan Swift wishes he could write satire this good.
(Unless you were serious….in which case, may God have mercy on your ignorant soul.)
jeffrey d
October 24th, 2010
12:20 pm
I wonder where he got the name “Christopher Chance”
richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:21 pm
“………..[MITCHELL] Your problem is your are married to a conclusion, it’s all Cox’s fault, then you look for evidence to support it. The weakest kind of reasoning, Mitchell…………… BAT MASTERSON.
Welcome to TOMBSTONE BAT, another web-gem. I didn’t think you could top the one last night, but you matched it with this one. BTW, isn’t DOC here also? The ‘cowboys’ don’t stand a chance.
Gone Viral
October 24th, 2010
12:22 pm
I -think- that’s part of the joke. He’s identifying himself as the Human Target, a (really good) Fox show.
richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:22 pm
Fleas, fleas, fleas!!!!!!!!!!!
richbrave
October 24th, 2010
12:23 pm
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McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
12:23 pm
jeffrey d we need to be discussing how Medlen’s date went tonight, or how that nap McCann took at 5 pm is going to keep him up all night, or whether Chipper should eat pizza or Eggos for a midnight snack.
Oh, awesome! Looks like I got here just in time…I haven’t missed the news bulletin! Pizza or Eggos, eh? Tough choice, but I’d have to go with pizza.
Jake W.
October 24th, 2010
12:24 pm
Jake W.
Come back anytime. You actually are sane ……………… for a PHILLIES fan that is
Yeah, not a philly fan, not by a long shot. Just watching a baseball game as a baseball fan and enjoyed it.
bravesfaninNashville
October 24th, 2010
12:25 pm
Francoeur will never make $6 mil/yr in his career much less the 8 and 12 that McCann will see. McCann will get paid $26 million and change over the next three years. Francoeur will be lucky to stay in the major leagues and make $2 million a year over those three years. So HE DID cost himself $20 Million. As they say a bird in the hand. McCann was smart and protected himself from the risk of injury especially playing catcher. Also McCann’s vision problems could have proven to be a much bigger obstacle than it has been. McCann assured himself of the $26 million he now gets over the next three years and Francoeur didn’t. I doubt if knowing what he knows now Francoeur would pass on the offer again and take his chances on the FA market. There’s just not a lot of demand for a high strike out, poor plate discipline, average speed outfielder. The Braves need to as Wren said be creative and possibly restructure a deal with Chipper and trade one of our pitchers for an outfielder with either an affordable contract but a big upside or a salary trade (Lowe for an outfielder earning $12-15 million where each team gets what they need by moving a big salary over to a position that they need help in. There’s a match out there and I believe they’ll find it.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
12:25 pm
Bat M. Heap [danged] good series.
HECK yeah!
Happy Birthday, bravesgrl4life, wherever you are!!
Bat Masterson
October 24th, 2010
12:26 pm
So when I hear people talk about how Francouer cost himself “$20 mil”…I cant help but laugh. If the Rangers offer Francoeur arbitration in 2011 (Francoeur has contributed as a Ranger….and you never know what heroics Francouer could come up with in the World Series)……I will stand behind my belief that Francoeur could easily surpass McCann’s $6.5 mil 2011 salary. _ Christopher Chance
I can’t be certain of this but I bet you laugh at inappropriate times often. Why, because you are crazy. You can change your name PL but you’re still an idiot.
No one is offering Francouer arbitration, but yeah you’re committed to that idea, so keep digging. If Francouer makes 6 million dollars next year I’ll eat my derby.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
12:27 pm
bravesfaninNashville Also McCann’s vision problems could have proven to be a much bigger obstacle than it has been.
That’s a frightening thought…
Gone Viral
October 24th, 2010
12:27 pm
Medlen’s date went fine until the girl saw his pink Hello Kitty backpack and questioned his heterosexuality.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3449/3848571481_dc6f1f8208_z.jpg
(in case anyone has forgotten, not that I think anyone could)
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
12:30 pm
Gone Viral—
Nobody could forget that!
But it was “My Little Pony”…
Braveheart
October 24th, 2010
12:32 pm
Oh, man, enough with Frenchy already. I was his biggest supporter and apologist, but enough already. Even if they were ever tempted to take a low risk gamble on him as a major league minimum guy, why would they bother considering his behavior when things don’t go his way? They sent him to the minors, he cried. When they traded him away, he had snide remarks about the franchise. When the Mets tried to platoon him, he demanded a trade. After he got traded by the Mets, he made snide remarks about the Mets. He doesn’t know how to stay away from a camera or mic. Regardless of his talent or performance, this other stuff can’t be tolerated from some scrub at the end of the bench.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
12:33 pm
This comic is perfect for the Denizens of this Blog:
http://www.gocomics.com/comic_page/explore/652772?page=3
bravesfaninNashville
October 24th, 2010
12:40 pm
Braveheart……. Totally agree even at the league minimum the Braves don’t need the baggage that comes with Frenchy. Besides he’s proven to be un-coachable.. at least with a rookie you’ll get someone who can learn. I hope and pray it wouldn’t come to this but I’d honestly rather have Infante as our everyday left fielder than Francouer back and I’d certainly rather see an Infante/Hinske platoon over Frenchy. At least they’d both have great plate appearances consistently. Of course I hope we get an outfielder ala Cory Hart or Ryan Braun and can have Hinske and Infante around to do what they do best and that’s fill in when needed and be very effective pinch hitters late in games.
Doc Holiday
October 24th, 2010
12:44 pm
richbrave,
“I want your blood and I want it right now………”
LTBF
October 24th, 2010
12:45 pm
Phills lost and big FOX lost big Philly TV market. I hope thier rateings tank. TBS does much better job with baseball televising.
Bravefaninok
October 24th, 2010
12:47 pm
LTBF
October 24th, 2010
12:45 pm
Phills lost and big FOX lost big Philly TV market. I hope thier rateings tank. TBS does much better job with baseball televising.
Wasn’t philly involved in the Fox /cable contract dispute?
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-10-23/fox-content-blackout-on-cablevision-heads-into-second-weekend.html
Bat Masterson
October 24th, 2010
12:49 pm
Thanks, richbrave
LTBF
October 24th, 2010
12:55 pm
I will watch FOX because I have to to watch WS. But I hope they give up baseball when thier contract is up. Remember they cost us a game on TV earlly this year.
LTBF
October 24th, 2010
12:56 pm
Dropping off for now to watch NFL, back later. Good day all.
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
1:00 pm
space monkey
October 24th, 2010
6:52 am
It’s so sweet to see the Phillies lose. Utley got hit again because the SOB stands on the plate. I wish Bob Gibson from 1968 could face him just once. It would be the end of that nonsense. Wanted Phils to die in 5 games in SF, but it’s so much sweeter for them to go down in front of their own fans, They are the best team in baseball and they came up short. That’s sweet. Cry, Phillies fans, cry.
Agree totally! And not only does Utley stand on top of the plate, he doesn’t try to get outta the way when the ball comes inside. And then he wants to act out when he gets hit. I like Utley, but he was a b!tch on that HBP. Back in the old days, pitchers owned that dish and a pitcher didn’t hesitate to let you know it.
MikeInFl
October 24th, 2010
1:02 pm
I found it funny that that the experts kept wondering and waiting for that great phils offense of the last few years to show up. I’ve been saying for a while healthy or unhealthy that offense was not the same as years past so really i’m not shocked at all by their postseason performance.
Agreed. Charlie Manuel (who I like, btw) said the same thing. A couple of times, he’s said that people waiting for the Phils’ offense of 2008 were going to be disappointed. And he put Rollins back at leadoff last night, despite his struggles, just hoping to recapture some of the magic. Not a bad gamble, but it didn’t work.
Anyway, their lineup is aging fast and they don’t have much payroll flexibility. But 1 through 3, a pretty fair starting rotation.
Tomas
October 24th, 2010
1:03 pm
I think Center fielders are an in dangered species. There are like 15 good young economical center fielders out there in total:
Michael Bourn Astros CF
Coco Crisp Athletics CF
Colby Rasmus Cardinals CF
Marlon Byrd Cubs CF
Chris Young D-Backs CF
Matt Kemp Dodgers CF
Adam Jones Orioles CF
Shane Victorino Phillies CF
Andrew McCutchen Pirates CF
Josh Hamilton Rangers CF
Jacoby Ellsburry Red Sox CF
Grady Sizemore Indians CF
David DeJesus Royals CF
Austin Jackson Tigers CF
8 of them have power…,……Of those 8, 4 of them are right handed……..And I cannot see their teams trading them.
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
1:05 pm
Christopher Chance
My point all along has been that Francoeur’s gamble did not hurt him all that much…so far.
And the nominal phrase is “so far”. From this point on, Francoeur will lag way behind McCann in salary because nobody will pay Francoeur the kinda money that McCann is signed for from this point on. Francoeur gambled and lost with his refusal to sign long-term.
Doc Holiday
October 24th, 2010
1:11 pm
I think Braves are no spending tons of money on any OF. But you can see a pattern they tent to follow. they will try to get someone for something around 8 million. 2 of them as a matter of fact.
Braves like to pay only for pitching.
I suppose they philosophy is, anybody can drive in runs, but not everybody can prevent them.
Look at history for 8+ Million guys.
Chipper………. farm boy
Andruw………. same story
Tex………….. playoff chances
Other “big payments or good players”
Gallarraga……………8.5 in 2000
Grissom ………….. 4.95 in 95
Justice …………….. 6.2 M in 1996
JD Drew ………….. 4.2 M in 2004
Javy Lopez ……….7.7M in 2001
What about pitching?
KK………………. 7.3 in 2010
Lowe…………….15M 2010
Hudson………… 9M in 2010
Smoltz ———–63M from 2003 to 2008
Glavine——— 8M to a washed up player in 2008
Vazquez———-11.5 in 09
Wagner———-6.75 in ´10 to a closer
Maddux……….. no need to mention.
4 of the 5 highest paid players for the braves in 2010 are pitchers………….
Might be missing some pitchers on that list.
There is an important difference between what braves pay to position players and what they pay for pitching.
Doc Holiday
October 24th, 2010
1:17 pm
Braves opening day rotation = 32.16 M ——avg = 6.43 M
Braves opening day lineup = 29.75 M———avg = 3.72 M
That says it all.
Jake W.
October 24th, 2010
1:17 pm
Agree totally! And not only does Utley stand on top of the plate, he doesn’t try to get outta the way when the ball comes inside. And then he wants to act out when he gets hit. I like Utley, but he was a b!tch on that HBP. Back in the old days, pitchers owned that dish and a pitcher didn’t hesitate to let you know it
I agree, the majority of the phils hitters hang over the plate then want to get mad when they get hit or pitched inside. Its part of the game, if you don’t want to get hit get out of the way. I know Sanchez overreacted but Utley started it with the ball flip. He knew that Sanchez was basically the left handed version of Zambrano and he was trying to get to him with the ball flip. He probably hurt his team more than helping them with that flip of the ball because he gave plenty of time for the giants pen to get warmed up.
The phils tried to intimidate the giants and they had none of it. The giants just played their game. Phillies were trying to stare people down, both teams had bad strike zones for various games but the phils couldn’t make the adjustment and just deal with the zone. Oh and if Ryan Howard thought that was a ball to end the game yesterday he’s crazy. It was a perfect pitch.
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
1:20 pm
…It was a perfect pitch.
Yes it was.
N8
October 24th, 2010
1:22 pm
Hey…. where’s all the trash talking Phillies trolls?
NOTHING has been more enjoyable to me this off-season than watching those pathetic A-hole, whiner, crybaby Phillies fans crying, and all stressed out as that game wound down last night.
How’s it feel SOB’s??? Hmmm. Lets see….. Win the world series one year, lose the world series the next year, then lose in the NLCS after having the NL’s best record the year after that.
Kind of like the Braves in 95, 96 and 97, huh?
What a sorry sack of losers you guys have losing to the Giants. Isn’t that what y’all said to us?
I LOVE IT!!!!!!
Doc Holiday
October 24th, 2010
1:30 pm
Best move seen made by Bruce Bochy was to take Sanchez right after the confrontation with Utley. To me, that was the play of the game. He knew disaster was coming if he left Sanchez in. Very good move.
Philly Troll
October 24th, 2010
1:32 pm
N8,
Im too busy, wiping off my tears, would you please leave me alone?
Doc Holiday
October 24th, 2010
1:34 pm
It would be good for the NL for the Giants to become WS Champions.
I like Texas more since SF beat us, but I think Im with the Giants on this one.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
1:34 pm
And I suppose Howard is a big, lazy, good-for-nothing, slobby, fat[butt] choker, then, eh?
No RBI in the playoffs…That does surprise me. I mean, yikes…
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
1:41 pm
Lots o’ Phillie’s bats choked in the LCS.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
1:43 pm
Yeah, how about that…
Jake W.
October 24th, 2010
1:45 pm
Mac had a very good postseason for the braves. The guy was our best hitter and best power threat by the end of the year unfortunately due to our many injuries but he did his job come postseason time. Frenchy may be the one in the series but Mac is the one who gave homefield advantage to the NL. Does he have defensive shortcomings, sure but I still consider him the best catcher in the NL because of his overall impact to this team and how he does it every year playing the position in Atlanta with our heat, not Minnesota, San Fran, or Philly but Hotlanta. Posey may win rookie of the year and Ruiz has garnered a lot of attention for his play this year but Mac remains the best to me.
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
1:46 pm
Looked a lot like us….w/o all the errors.
Doc Holiday
October 24th, 2010
1:46 pm
And lots of pitchers.
jeffrey d
October 24th, 2010
1:49 pm
If you go by batting average, McCann was the best hitter in the Majors in the playoffs. By a lot.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/statistics
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
1:50 pm
Jake W.—
Couldn’t agree more!
Just loved the way he played in the playoffs…he wanted it.
and how he does it every year playing the position in Atlanta with our heat
For sure. That could be another reason why his numbers were down this year—record temperatures and all that. I know a lot of other states had that, too, but it was in the upper 90’s EVERY day here…
Oh, and I heard an announcer say that the Rangers actually have done better on the road this year. So Francoeur cann call BMac up and thank him as often as he likes…
bravesfaninNashville
October 24th, 2010
1:50 pm
The Brewers have several hitters signed to affordable contracts most notably Braun and Cory Hart. They do not have enough payroll room to sign a top of the rotation pitcher via free agency as those guys will cost a minimum of 3 or 4 years at $12 million per. It seems it would be very attractive for the Brewers to trade one of those two for some of our young pitching. The Braves have a very interesting window right now with Lowe and Hudson being under contract 2 more years. We need to win now while Hanson, Heyward, Prado, Freeman and Jurrjens are not drawing big salaries. This is the time for us to get an impact bat or two and win with the great core of youth we have before it becomes too expensive for us to keep them all.
jeffrey d
October 24th, 2010
1:50 pm
147 points higher than ol’ Buster What’s-His-Name
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
1:51 pm
jeffrey d—
His defense rocked the house in the playoffs, as well.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
1:52 pm
jeffrey d 147 points higher than ol’ Buster What’s-His-Name
My my my…
But I don’t wanna sit here and gloat too much—that ALWAYS comes back to bite me in one way or another…But I’m still very proud of BMac!
jeffrey d
October 24th, 2010
1:53 pm
Another interesting stat from that ESPN (sorry Tomahawkin) page….Billy Wagner and Derek Lowe are tied for third in NL postseason saves
Jake W.
October 24th, 2010
1:54 pm
Wow, what a crappy break for the falcons
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
1:57 pm
Birds got robbed on that.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
1:57 pm
jeffrey d Billy Wagner and Derek Lowe are tied for third in NL postseason saves
Haha! Yeah, that’s funny…wonder how they happened to pick them…
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
1:59 pm
I keep hearing a lot of talk from people that would like the Braves to actually sign Werth to a free agent contract. Don’t you realize just how insane that is? First of all, he is a “class A” free agent. The team that signs him loses it’s 1st round draft pick. Secondly, Werth played all year on one of the two most potent offenses in the majors and he didn’t miss any time due to injuries, and even though he hit .296, he only drove in 85 runs and hit only 27 homers in that shytty stadium. He struck out 147 times for God’s sake. He hit only 1 homer in 7 games at Turner Field and over an 81 game span, that would be a little over 11 homers at home. No way would I spend the $15-20 million per year that it’s gonna take to sign him. Yeah, he had a high OBP, but he hits in the middle of the order. He has to drive in runs. If he failed to do that in Philly, in that crappy azzed stadium, what do you think he’d do here?
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
2:02 pm
Roddy ………clownin’!
bravesfaninNashville
October 24th, 2010
2:07 pm
I’ll be shocked if Werth gets the $100 million contract some reporters are projecting. I can see it for Carl Crawford because of the bidding war that will ensue for him. I don’t see the competition for Werth being as strong. I say the Braves should sign him if they can get him 4yrs/60million but if the price is higher than that let him be some other teams long term contract liability. What about trading one of our young arms like Delgado or Teheren for someone up and coming Carl Crawford?
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
2:09 pm
LTBF
October 24th, 2010
10:48 am
Yup Mixxo we can forget about Cody Ross too, liberty will not spend big bucks
If Liberty were ready to spend “big bucks” for any player, would you spend it on a player like Cody Ross, who just got hot at the right time for San Fran? A player who is a career .265 hitter?
bravesfaninNashville
October 24th, 2010
2:17 pm
Cody Ross was put on waivers by Florida and just got hot as many players do trying to make a good first impression with a new team. How many times have we seen a player be red hot right after a trade and then return to career averages quickly? Cody Ross is not a much better option than Nate McClouth except that he hits right handed. We need an impact player not a role player and that is what Cody Ross is IMHO. We need a feared middle of the order bat that changes how opposing teams pitch to the Braves.
jeffrey d
October 24th, 2010
2:20 pm
How many times have we seen a player be red hot right after a trade and then return to career averages quickly?
I think that happened to a local boy around here. Can’t remember his name though
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
2:22 pm
Steve from OH
October 24th, 2010
You’re kidding, right? Dude’s almost certainly gonna be a non-tender this offseason. He’s gonna turn a non-tender into 6MM next year and 8MM the year after? Get real. Dude cost himself a lot of cash.
Steve, I’ll be surprised if he gets anything close to $6mil to sign with anyone next year.
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
2:22 pm
I’ll take a .265 hitter over what we have now………a bunch of OF’ers that can barely hit their own weight.
Gary O
October 24th, 2010
2:24 pm
One issue I have with Schafer, is he is left handed. We have enough left handers in the lineup (Nate, Heyward, Brian, Freeman). Chipper is a switch hitter, so right now, we only have 3 right handers (AGon, Infante and Prado). And we dont even know if Infante will be in the starting lineup.
That is my only gripe against Rasmus in StL. We need a right hander to balance the offense.
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
2:31 pm
David O’Brien
October 24th, 2010
11:37 am
I do think, however, that they’ll end up getting one via trade just because it’s probably more sensible for a team with their pitching surplus and payroll restrictions. Can probably — probably — get a better player via trade than they can afford via free agency.
I agree. I don’t know how strongly the interest would be from the Cardinal front office, but I would love to pursue a trade for Colby Rasmus. I heard that he and LaRussa don’t exactly get along, so it might be an option.
Smitty
October 24th, 2010
2:32 pm
What about B.J. Upton or Jason Bartlett? The Rays are fielding offers
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
2:33 pm
Saints are getting owned by the Browns at the Superdome. Haaaa! 20-3
Love that.
Tomas
October 24th, 2010
2:35 pm
Hey I know he is not the best option but Bill Hall could help the team
BosnianBaller
October 24th, 2010
2:40 pm
I know Magglio is 35 or 36 but he would be a good fit for us if we don’t have to give up a 1st round pick. Maybe he can make an JD Drew 2004 type impact. If healthy Magglio can hit just like Vlad proved this year
Bat Masterson
October 24th, 2010
2:41 pm
PL is blinded by his Francouer love. He has been claiming the Braves were wrong to get rid of him and talking him up for the past year and a half. When he is non-tendered he will claim management screwed up and someone can pick up a gem cheap. He’s more likely to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge than to admit he’s wrong.
Who cares, it’s PL for christ’s sake.
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
2:47 pm
Braveheart
October 24th, 2010
12:32 pm
Oh, man, enough with Frenchy already. I was his biggest supporter and apologist, but enough already. Even if they were ever tempted to take a low risk gamble on him as a major league minimum guy, why would they bother considering his behavior when things don’t go his way? They sent him to the minors, he cried. When they traded him away, he had snide remarks about the franchise. When the Mets tried to platoon him, he demanded a trade. After he got traded by the Mets, he made snide remarks about the Mets. He doesn’t know how to stay away from a camera or mic. Regardless of his talent or performance, this other stuff can’t be tolerated from some scrub at the end of the bench.
No point in saying anything other than thanks. Nothing else to add.
UKUGA
October 24th, 2010
2:48 pm
I would’ve enjoyed watching the Rangers beat the Phils, but whatever, they are gone! Gone! GONE!
Go Braves in 2011!
jeffrey d
October 24th, 2010
2:55 pm
a bunch of OF’ers that can barely hit their own weight.
Now that’s not fair to Melky, is it?
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
3:03 pm
N8
October 24th, 2010
1:22 pm
Hey…. where’s all the trash talking Phillies trolls?
NOTHING has been more enjoyable to me this off-season than watching those pathetic A-hole, whiner, crybaby Phillies fans crying, and all stressed out as that game wound down last night.
Without a doubt, this year’s NLCS was so enjoyable. Nothing in this world I hate more than fans from Pennslyvania, and yes that includes Pirate fans. I remember back in 1991 and 1992, our fans were tormented by Pirate fans in Pittsburgh. They picked fights, threw beer on our fans that made the trip, etc. That whole friggin state is worthless. They don’t deserve a winning team and the time will come when the Phillies will be as worthless as the Pirates have been since Bonds and Bonilla left.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
3:08 pm
I wouldn’t say the whole state is worthless—we know a very nice family that lives in Pennsylvania.
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
3:13 pm
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
2:22 pm
I’ll take a .265 hitter over what we have now………a bunch of OF’ers that can barely hit their own weight.
But you wouldn’t pay “big bucks” for him. If he is not resigned by the Giants, no way would I give Ross more than $4mil per to play here.
Moe Berg
October 24th, 2010
3:17 pm
“But you wouldn’t pay “big bucks” for him. If he is not resigned by the Giants, no way would I give Ross more than $4mil per to play here.”
Which is one of the reasons we won’t sign him. He is already making $4.45 M this year. As the NLCS MVP, he will be up for a raise from that.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
3:18 pm
Besides, Cody Ross is no cleanup batter…
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
3:19 pm
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
3:08 pm
I wouldn’t say the whole state is worthless—we know a very nice family that lives in Pennsylvania.
Of course. In every state, you can find a select few that aren’t pricks, but the vast majority really sucks.
Jerry
October 24th, 2010
3:20 pm
Don’t look now, but the Falcons are trying to do their best to choke away the game with the Bengals.
McFann O O – 6
October 24th, 2010
3:21 pm
Jerry—
Yeah, there are a lot of weirdos up there, or so it seems, sadly…
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
3:25 pm
Falcons are choking like our Braves.
They’ve gone straight to he** in a handbasket in the span of a half of a quarter,
Mixxo
October 24th, 2010
3:25 pm
4-3 after today.
semiballcoach
October 24th, 2010
3:27 pm
jordan shafer will not return to form….. he has no work ethic….forget rasmus, him and his dad would be major problems and cost too much…..ordonez is too old to play left on a regular basis…just need a young inexpensive guy to play left….main thing is to pay don baylor whatever he wants to be hitting coach and that will be the major factor for braves offense
nolie
October 24th, 2010
3:28 pm
. There are like 15 good young economical center fielders out there in total: Tomas
I would say about half of those meet that definitiond. You’re too easy