6:32 pm October 17, 2010, by David O'Brien
October 18th, 20101:43 am
That should be–’a decade ago.’
October 18th, 20101:55 am
Torres was injured I think in the world cup……….Kuyt from holland is pretty good, Daniel Agger, Jamie Carragher, Joe Cole, Reina the goal keeper, Maxi Rodriguez………I don’t follow football(soccer) so much but I do now Liverpool has a great team.
October 18th, 20101:57 am
Of all the arb-eligible players they should pay Prado and move the rest. All of them, unless JJ isn’t commanding proper return (something on the FAR north side of Cabrera value). I’d be exploring trade options for Infante and Gonzalez; would seem difficult to keep both of them. Listen to trade offers for Lowe, if any materialize.
This could well be the time for a serious Marlins-style youth movement, Part I, with Part II after Lowe and Jones move on and McLouth’s contract expires.
October 18th, 20102:13 am
ain’t happening DD. Braves reload not retool and it will stay that way. Infante and Gonzalez will both be here.
October 18th, 20102:22 am
It seems like bobby realizes he’s not the greatest manager.
One day, all of these people defending him will wake up and realize what we have been trying to tell them all along: we should have been much more competitive in the postseason than we were. Atlanta natives should have enjoyed at least 3 or 4 championships over the period of time in which we had an embarassment of riches playing for us. The most embarassing thing of all, though, is the fact that so many “southern idiots” (as I call them) still defend him. I am from Atlanta but am not afraid to call it like it is: most people down here are dumb.
October 18th, 20102:26 am
nah ain’t happening JASon.. the folks in the real know who make their living in baseball 98% think he is a great manager. about 15 or 20& of the Braves fans don’t, but that’s the same 15-20% of every teams’s fans who hate the manager and complain about exactly the same things on their boards that y’all Cox haters do here about Bobby. fluff off, he’s gone
October 18th, 20102:28 am
Any chance that Pastornicky kid gets a legitimate shot in Spring Training? Seems like I recall that the Braves love his defense and his speed, but they were waiting for his bat to come around. I know it’s only a few AFL games so far… but as long as he proves he can get on base some sort of way at least once or twice a game or so, it sure would be nice to have a speedster atop the lineup for the first time in what feels like a decade. Thoughts on Pastornicky’s chances on being with the Braves MLB team in the next year or two?
Bay Area Steve
October 18th, 20102:29 am
One day, all of these people criticizing him will wake up and realize what we have been trying to tell them all along? (same, but different)
Condescending much? How ’bout you let me think what I’m gonna think anyway, and you go pleasure Rosanne Barr. How in the hell are you people still talking about 1997? You’re like a typical 90-year-old, except that you’re a far less interesting read.
And, “southern idiot?” Take it from a fruit and nut: F’ you.
October 18th, 20102:30 am
October 18th, 20102:31 am
I resemble that 90 year old remark
October 18th, 20102:35 am
ok be that way, I know I am now a pariah
October 18th, 20102:36 am
October 18th, 20102:37 am
In honor of you, and ‘OB’s Rubicon mention, I’m chaining their last four together tonight. Halfway home, and it is picking up. Subject matter is there; a little sizzle and…
I like your idea of waiting to watch a season all at once; if only I had the patience.
October 18th, 20102:38 am
good ol Bobby Cox. What a polarizing cat. He’s gone, yet some are still complaining. I’m in no way saying he was the best manager ever, but I also recognize all he’s done for the organization. Just say thank you for they years, or thank you for leaving… and then move on. I wonder how quickly the Fredi Gonzales hate club will form?
October 18th, 20102:40 am
Sleep well, old man.
The A Bomb
October 18th, 20102:42 am
Love reading all the Kemp talk…. Just remember folks, if it happens, The A Bomb is the first one who mentioned it as far back as August.
He is the fit.
October 18th, 20102:44 am
FG-hate-club was formed a few days ago. Members didn’t have to join; they were born that way. And, somehow, all the same cats. Who’da thunk it?
And this: “Just say thank you for the years, or thank you for leaving… and then move on.”
How good is that? Either way. what else is there? Yet the same folks can’t help themselves.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
October 18th, 20102:45 am
Probably after the first 5, 6, 7 games or so that the Braves lose next season..(LOL)
that should make you very popular with the ladies, A Bomb.
October 18th, 20102:46 am
Ya can’t make EVERYONE happy. I think Freddie will do fine, altho I was kinda hoping for Joe T.
October 18th, 20102:49 am
Frank from KS-
I figure it’ll be the first time the Braves get caught stealing or botch a hit-and-run. They’ll start saying “Man, I wish Bobby were here so we can sit back and be patient on the basepaths and wait for the three-run homer.”
October 18th, 20103:37 am
We seriously are going to have to get people to differentiate between Fredi and Freddie… we could be in for a long 5 to 20 years if we don’t.
People: Fredi Gonzalez is the Braves’ manager, while Freddie Freeman is the Braves’ first baseman of the foreseeable future.
October 18th, 20106:09 am
AMC has an amazing record with creating shows that induce lots of thought, and Rubicon joined Mad Men at the hip this year. Just hope it is renewed!
Been a Rubicon fan all season, but it’s hard to imagine that it could have survived on any other network. Recorded the finale last night and am looking forward to it.
Regarding the Braves, it might be easier working the other end. If you read the Liberty Media financials, the division that owns the Braves has $2 billion in cash, although it did have an operational loss in the last quarter. Imagine the difference if the Braves could snag even 1% of that.
Here’s an interesting quote from the Liberty CEO in their latest filing:
“In LCAPA, the Braves are highly strategic as long as they win the wild card. But it’s ultimately I don’t think we’re going to be a baseball owner somewhere down the road. It’s just doesn’t fit our kind of profile of businesses, but it’s a fullness of time thing.” We can only hope.
Regarding finances, here’s something from their latest quarterly report.
“The Atlanta Braves and certain of their players and coaches have entered into long-term employment contracts whereby such individuals’ compensation is guaranteed. Amounts due under guaranteed contracts as of June 30, 2010 aggregated $186 million, which is payable as follows: $67 million in 2010, $67 million in 2011 and $50 million in 2012 and $2 million thereafter.”
October 18th, 20106:31 am
all of this “analysis” is moot. Until Arthur Blank buys us and raises payroll by about ONE HUNDRED MILLION to $180 mill, (yes, payroll is going DOWN to $80 million) this conjecture is all about keeping us fans at bay from protesting Liberty Media. Liberty could care less….they’re pretty much saying…”buy your $150 jersey, go to 10 games and shut up…”
Please don’t say payroll doesn’t matter. Three words:
October 18th, 20106:39 am
Imagine the difference if the Braves could snag even 1% of that.
Business doesn’t work that way. The Braves are a self-sustaining division of the company, is one way of looking at it. Draw 2.5 million, make the playoffs, and you can allocate $90MM or so to major league payroll. Draw 3 million, and you can up to $100MM+. Either way, ML payroll is going to be a price point that allows for a realistic expectation of making a profit. I know some posters think a team’s owner should bleed red ink “for the good of the team”, but it ain’t their money flying out the door, LOL.
Braves stuck with Nate McLouth? | Ben Maller
October 18th, 20107:31 am
[...] $6.5 mill salary in 2011, plus there’s a $1.25 mill buyout on a $10.65 mill club option fro 2012. No team is going to take on that full salary after McLouth’s performance since he was traded to th… in June 2009, including a .190 average in 2010 with 12 doubles, six homers, 24 RBIs and a .298 OBP [...]
Braves dealing young pitchers? | Ben Maller
October 18th, 20107:36 am
[...] available young pitchers on the current roster or from their bevy of top minor-league arms. But the Braves aren’t going to trade potential future No. 1 starters Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado, and Wren makes it sound like they’re inclined not to trade other young arms already in the [...]
October 18th, 20107:47 am
keef–payroll don’t matter–3 teams for you to ponder
ny mets, la dodgers, la angels
October 18th, 20107:50 am
If the Braves actually won the World Series and they were in the locker room hoisting the trophy on Fox, you’d have the Mgr, the GM, probably Terry McGuirk, JS, and we’d either be missing the owner or they’d have to go around and introduce themselves to everyone during all the gladhanding.
The Braves ownership is a JOKE.
October 18th, 20107:53 am
team payrolls for 2010
Red Sox $121,745,999
White Sox $96,068,500
October 18th, 20108:01 am
lollygagger, im sure pastornicky is going to get at least another full year in the minors. the braves have a shortstop for 2011, no need to rush pastornicky. hes doing well in AFL, but his season stats at AA werent great. also, the braves just drafted a highschool SS from texas, matt lipka. they used their first pick on him this year.
October 18th, 20108:11 am
Frank Wren says he wants Freeman to play about 140 games, so they want somebody who can start for him against certain matchups, and to keep him fresh. My guess is somebody right handed.
I’m not sure what to expect from him offensively (maybe 18 HR, .260 average), but defensively, he will be a huge upgrade over Glaus.
I can see the Braves keeping Hinske and Conrad as their bench players. Conrad can provide spot starts for Chipper and Prado, who are both coming off injuries.
October 18th, 20108:16 am
Rubicon looked good and I have the series recorded on the DVR just hadn’t had chance to start watching it. Glad to hear it’s good.
October 18th, 20108:36 am
Don’t expect much more than what Atlanta fans have received in the last 10 years – occasionally competitive, wild-card worthy teams that in one department or another will fall short of LCS or WS.
Teams that are on the competitive see-saw and could fall the other way as well.
Wren says a whole lot of nothing in this article. Because he cannot commit publically to any course of action due to the payroll constraints that the Braves are currently under with this ownership.
Free agency is not a course of action that the Braves will employ to any real advantage because they cannot afford to do so. (so-called impact players)
So anything accomplished to do this will have to be effected by trading.
It would be prudent for Atlanta fans to temper their 2011 projections, as this current regime has established a mediocre track record to this point. Nothing so far indicates otherwise.
As Missourians say – “Show Me”…..
Double Zero Eight
October 18th, 20108:39 am
Bring back Ted Turner. The ownership is not willing to spend the money to seriously compete for a World Series title.
October 18th, 20109:11 am
cecil34 what Atlanta fans have received in the last 10 years – occasionally competitive, wild-card worthy teams that in one department or another will fall short of LCS or WS.
its interesting to see what qualifies as “occasionally competitive” to some folks. in the last 10 years, braves have made the playoffs 6 times. thats not too bad.
now, those teams have been flawed, and have fallen short, but i would still call that being fairly consistently competitive.
i do hope, though, that the braves take this opportunity they have to really bulk up the team. i know money is an issue, but it shouldnt keep them from making this team better than it was in 2010, and they were pretty dang good when they were right.
October 18th, 20109:15 am
DOB – fellow bloggers – are there any potential outfield bats not named Jordan Schafer anywhere in the Braves’ minor league system that might be considered close and/or ready?
October 18th, 20109:16 am
I think Freeman is done, he isn’t doing well in the AFL, and bringing him up and not using him hurt him mentally!!
October 18th, 20109:22 am
This may be old news – as I have not been able to follow developments in the last few days — But has Gonzalez said what he is planning to do relating to the coaches??
October 18th, 20109:24 am
I’m sorry but I have an MBA and their supposed “Accounting” is BULL!
Under no circumstances is it possible for you to remove 7.5 million for Wagner, 3.5 million for Saito, 3.2 million for Melky, 2 million for Glaus, and the combined 3 million they paid for Lee/Ankiel/Farnsworth for a TOTAL of roughly 17.2 MILLION COMING OFF THE BOOKS and WREN is trying to tell us that somehow the payroll is INCREASING!?!?!
Are they paying insurance equal to the dang contracts?
DAVE O’BRIEN help me here!!!
Even if those ARbitration guys cause an increase of 3 million you should still have 14.5 million to offer 10-12 million to get a big time bat, another million or 2 to pay someone like Andruw Jones and/or Cody Ross
WREN is selling us BULL here and I am a Braves’ supporter no matter what, But I don’t like being lied to or taken for someone who is stupid by Wren
October 18th, 20109:25 am
“………. I am from Atlanta but am not afraid to call it like it is: most people down here are dumb……….” JASon
And you definitely are not?
.Don: Gonzalez is going to hire Bobby Cox as his hitting coach…
October 18th, 20109:27 am
“Braves fans tired of watching while others play for pennant”
October 18th, 20109:28 am
Hubbard and Kahadia are gone. Carlos Tosca is bench coach. Pendleton to 1st. Snitker stays at 3rd. New hitting coach coming.
October 18th, 20109:30 am
You really hit the nail on the head when you said that Turner field is the place where playoff hopes go to die. I noticed this several years ago and always always always dreaded when the team headed home to claim ‘home field advantage’. WHAT A JOKE!
October 18th, 20109:38 am
UnretireBobbyCox @ 9:25. Definitely post of the day and the early favorite for post of the off-season.
October 18th, 20109:44 am
I just couldn’t resist…
October 18th, 20109:47 am
DOB mentioned all the elimination games at Turner Field, in which we were eliminated. I wonder what has been our home record those seasons.
Just looking at this season, we had the best home record in the major league regular season, but then we go 0-2 in the playoffs at home. Why is that?
Speaking of Ross, Andrew Baggarly of The Mercury News reports that Giants GM Brian Sabean left a “clear impression” before tonight’s game that the outfielder will be tendered a contract this offseason..
October 18th, 20109:49 am
Pro sports teams have long been criticised for being less than honest when it comes to accounting.
I’m with those who favor a youth movement. There are enough solid vets here if Chipper makes it back to make a good run with the pitching we have. I’d rather get bounced from the Wild Card with inexperienced kids than bounced from the WC with injured vets. The young guys will be a nightmare at times, but then incredibly energetic at others. I’m lowering expectations for ‘11 and hoping we don’t trade the farm again. We created a new verb: “They got Texieraed”
October 18th, 20109:50 am
Regardless of who was chosen as the new manager, the Braves probably will not be competitive next season and perhaps for several years — Not because Bobby Cox is gone but because of several factors.
(1) There is going to be very little money available to make any kind of improvements from the free agent market.
(2) Even more significantly, a huge part of the payroll budget is tied up im players who may not be productive — Chipper – 13 mil, Kawakami – almost 7 mil, McLouth – 6 1/2 mil, and perhaps even Lowe who is old and going to be a year older – 15 mil (will he be the pitcher he was in the last part of the season or the pitcher he was a significant part of the season). That’s a total of over 40 million, almost half the payroll total. And that doesn’t even count Gonzo who was not a quality shortstop either offensively or defensively.
(3) Even worse, in reality, the Braves have only 3 established, major league quality, regular, healthy postion players – Catcher, Second Base, and Right Field. And this assumes that Prado can bounce back from the injury effectively and be the second baseman; and, of course, even in right field you have a second year player who is not yet an established veteran. Of course, In addition, you do have Infante who had been considered to be a utility player but had a great year and probably could be plugged into some defensive postion.
(4) Perhaps most significant of all, Bobby Cox is leaving the Braves with two of their potental Star Starting Pitchers for years to come injured (Medlin and JJ). (JJ has never been anything like his first year ever since the shoulder injury). We do not know if either of these will ever come back and be effective. (Even with McDowells terrible record of multiple pitcher injures every season since he has been with the Braves, Cox refused to make a change and kept him on — Now instead of having a bright future with a great YOUNG pitching staff, the Braves may have pitchng problems for years to come with these two young pitching stars injured.
(5) The Braves should have a great young star Shortstop and a great bat in the middle of their order for years to come in Escobar; but Bobby Cox could not/would not manage him effectively (his hands off, don’t make any demands of players approach did not work with him) and the Braves traded him/gave him away – and now may have a shortstop problem for years to come – and have lost a big bat from the lineup.
October 18th, 20109:55 am
So, .Don: you are saying essentially that it had nothing to do with Bobby Cox after all. The Braves simply didn’t have the payroll to be competitive… thanks for clarifying!
Even if Kawakami were reduced to “chopping sushi” as someone indelicately put it, would you give a person, pissed off by the way he was treated by the Braves, with a very sharp knife in his hand, grief?
keyLargo, What about McDowell?
October 18th, 20109:56 am
don- Our very own ray of sunshine.
McFann O O – 6
I’d just as soon see Mac concentrate on his catching D and not worry about first at this point. He is not as bad as some on here claim
I agree with nolie. But don’t even KID about BMac playing for the Yankees!
October 18th, 20109:57 am
UnretiredBobbyCox, I believe that you have a significant reading problem.
October 18th, 201010:00 am
I think this season the team that went into the playoffs was a shell of the team that racked up that home record. In general, home field advantage probably matters less in the playoffs simply due to the quality of competition.
On Lowe’s September: Lowe is a self-admitted “cooler weather” pitcher. Yes, part of his success was due to changing his approach and adding in a slider, but let’s not forget that he’s been incredibly mediocre for the most part of 2 years and that he’s receiving 15 million dollars each of the next two years. in his first 2 years of his contract, he’s been worth 22.6 million dollars and he got paid 30 million. he’s not worth his contract and the braves should try to shop him.
DOWN ON THE FARM:
TYLER PASTORNICKY evidently is playing 2B in the fall league. Are the BRAVES looking for a back-up at second? We know he can play short. Is he being aimed at BROOKSIE’s job? He certainly won’t be able to hit pinch-hit homers with regularity based on his numbers. But hitting for average and solid defense from the fill-in at second could help us back to the post season as well. So maybe he becomes the next OMAR INFANTE?
I’m wondering out loud if BRAVES management is thinking along the lines of improving the defense first in 2011 to support the great pitching that’s here now and for the future. That was sorely lacking this season, and would have certainly improved our chances in the post-season. Maybe waiting for 2012 to try to improve the hitting. If that’s the case I sure would want SKI back.
Anyway, 3 G, 9 AB, 1 R, 4 H, 0 2B, 0 3B, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 0 BB, 0 SO, .500 OBP, .444 SLG, .444 BA, .944 OPS.
CORY HARRILCHAK’s numbers are slipping in ‘ZONA. The ‘book’ has found the hole in his swing maybe, or maybe it’s just a small sample size and not that big of a deal. Anyway, he-e-ere’s CORY!!!!.
3 G, 14 AB, 1 R, 4 H, 0 2B, 1 3B, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 BB, 2 SO, .333 OBP, .429 SLG, .286 BA, .762 OPS.
FREEMAN’s numbers I put up last night on page 4, 12:44 a.m. Not pretty, but again a very small sample size (15 AB).
CORY GEARRIN’s gotten in 3.0 IP with a 0.00 ERA and a 0.33 WHIP with 1 H, and 0 BB – 3 SO. He’s rebounded nicely from his melt-down on MLBN mid-season.
MIKE BROADWAY’s have stayed the same – 9.00 ERA, 1.33 WHIP for 3.0 IP.
ERIC CORDIER has not gone out again and his numbers have not changed to date.
October 18th, 201010:06 am
anyone see Bowmans ridiculous tweet last night?
@mlbbowman: ” But the more I watch, the more I think he’s as good as Andruw ever was in CF in his prime yrs”
HA HA….what an absolute joke. Victorino is good, Andruw won 10 straight gold glove awards
October 18th, 201010:08 am
Yeah, Lowe is just average. Those 31 wins and 400IP are meaningless. Sheesh.
Lowe’s going nowhere. Do you even have a clue how much it would cost to replace those 16 wins from this year?
October 18th, 201010:09 am
ryan c, you’re absolutely right If there is a taker for Derek Lowe then you have to move him. Watching our team payroll getting cut each year makes it pretty clear that Liberty isnt going to move the budget upwards anytime soon. Lowe pitched very well down the stretch, but if Wren can find a taker then he has to go
October 18th, 201010:10 am
.Don, Dude, give it a rest. How many times can you say the same thing about someone who is NO LONGER MANAGING THE BRAVES? Everybody on this blog knows how you feel, there is no need to waste your time repeating yourself incessantly. Frankly, its unhealthy to be so obsessed with someone to the extent you are with our former manager. For your own sanity, why not look forward to next year instead of complaining about the past?
October 18th, 201010:11 am
“……he’s [LOWE] not worth his contract and the braves should try to shop him…….” ryan c
I think that’s been tried, and pretty publicly too. That may be happening this off-season also.
“The Braves are a self-sustaining division of the company, is one way of looking at it.”
Not exactly. They are part of a subsidiary called the Capital Group, which includes a lot of entertainment interests, such as movies. The Braves, however, are pretty much bit players in this group, since they are barely mentioned in the revenue summary and it’s pretty clear that management doesn’t see the Braves as an important part of their business plan.
October 18th, 201010:12 am
DCBrave are there any potential outfield bats not named Jordan Schafer anywhere in the Braves’ minor league system that might be considered close and/or ready?
matt young, a speedy CF.
October 18th, 201010:14 am
Lew, Lowe is better than average. However, he’s a $8-9mil pitcher make $15mil the next two years. Its simple financials, that’s not a good asset.
October 18th, 201010:15 am
My early favorite offseason post is today as well.
Freddy Freeman is done. Not hitting well in AFL and confidence shot for bringing up early and not playing. Amazing, amazing perception and solid GM call. Pushing the panic button a little early here maybe?
Lets see what he does next year. Sure there are concerns but 15 at bats in AFL doesn’t even warrant a critique yet as far as I am concerned.
October 18th, 201010:16 am
October 18th, 2010
.Don, Dude, give it a rest. ………. For your own sanity, why not look forward to next year instead of complaining about the past?
The dark side IS .Don’s sanity. It’s the way he sees things. Doesn’t bother me, I get that way sometimes myself. At least he’s consistant. I’m all over the place, sometimes positive, sometimes negative – I even agree with DON on occasion, just not as blackly.
October 18th, 201010:18 am
unbelievable -That’s a bunch of BDS and nothing but. You seriously believe that if Lowe is traded (you think you’ll get a return other than salary relief?) that Beachy or MInor step in and win the games that Lowe does? Won’t happen. You will have to bring in another pitcher to replace Lowe, making the savings on salary much less than what you think they will be.
You think that with what’s left of the $15 mil after you do replace Lowe will get us a bat that will compensate for the loss of Lowe, much less add the run production we need? Guess again.
BS – Don’t know what BDS is except bad typing (what’s new)?.
October 18th, 201010:19 am
“Do you even have a clue how much it would cost to replace those 16 wins from this year?”
I have to agree with Lew here. The only NL pitchers (besides Lowe) to have 16 or more wins this season were: Halladay, Wainwright, Jimenez, Hudson, Arroyo, Carpenter and Lincecum. Getting someone else to perform in this tier is going to be expensive. Why move him and create a need?
October 18th, 2010
DCBrave are there any potential outfield bats not named Jordan Schafer anywhere in the Braves’ minor league system that might be considered close and/or ready?
And WILLIE CABRERA 2012 in all probability
October 18th, 201010:21 am
And maybe some of y’all need to go back and look at Lowe’s year. He lost quite a few games despite pitching well late in the season – just like Hanson did. Lowe should have won over 20 games this year.
You’d be hard pressed to bring in another pitcher with the wins he’s had the past nine years for less than what he makes.
October 18th, 201010:23 am
That’s true, Richbrave. I just can’t see how one can blame JJ’s shoulder issues on McDowell because 1) he had shoulder issues in the Detroit organization and 2) he injured his shoulder pitching in a pickup game over the off-season (and therefore wasn’t following the Braves off-season/pre-season conditioning program, starting with bullpen sessions in Atlanta in February). Regarding Medlen, they actually skipped a couple of his starts due to off days in order to limit his innings prior to his injury, but he still got hurt.
October 18th, 201010:27 am
“Even if Kawakami were reduced to “chopping sushi” as someone indelicately put it, would you give a person, pissed off by the way he was treated by the Braves, with a very sharp knife in his hand, grief?”
Not me, brother!
October 18th, 201010:28 am
Shouldn’t they shut JJ down and fix whatever recurring shoulder issues he has? I would unless they can’t really be fixed. In which case, I’m concerned for his long-term future in baseball.
October 18th, 201010:29 am
Give the man a cortisone shot and cool weather and he’s good to go.
October 18th, 201010:33 am
i hope wren is only trying to temper expectations when he says the braves need to “get creative” with the team in the offseason. to me that means getting subpar players and hoping for the best. like i said, i hope thats just talk.
there are free agents out there the braves could use that will improve the team, and wont cost an arm and a leg.
i also think this is an offseason to trade some prospects, if we can get the right players back.
October 18th, 201010:34 am
DOB: Anyone been watching Rubicon?
Yes. I really enjoyed that show. Agreed at first it was slow, but having watched every episode from the start, looking back the slowness wasn’t as apparent. It makes sense as it all unfolds. I’m looking forward to another season if they bring it back. And I was pleased that the writing, acting, direction could make me tense and get me hooked without gimmicks.
October 18th, 201010:35 am
Y’all need to start looking at this whole situation from a slightly different angle.
We ended the season six games behind the Phillies. Most here think we need Home Field advantage (I don’t disagree), so we need to make up seven games in the standings to win the division next year. That is nothing but cold, hard, fact.
Now we lost games this year, not because we lacked pitching, but in spite of the pitching. So we need to add bats and defense to strengthen the team and to gain those seven games in the standings – IF everything else remains the same.
If you trade pitching, then you need to replace those wins, as well as improve the defense and the offense. In essence, now you have yet another area of the team that needs to be corrected to get to the wins you need, because in the Braves’ case, they have no one who can step in and replace Lowe’s performance.
Yeah, you MIGHT have a couple of extra bucks, but after having to fill yet another position that did NOT need filling to begin with, you’ve got a lot less to fix those problems than you thought you were getting to begin with.
You just never weaken your team in order to strengthen it. Makes absolutely no sense to do so. This winter will be more than challenging enough for Wren and the front office just filling the holes we already have without going and making more holes that need filling.
Let the man trade Kawakami and fill the holes through other means. Lowe leaving will only create yet more problems than the Braves already face. They have a big enough job to do as it is.
October 18th, 201010:36 am
JeffR-One would hope not. Never can tell with some here, though……
October 18th, 201010:38 am
I hope I’m wrong, but Nate McLouth has Jeff Francoeur written all over him. That the Braves are on the hook to the guy this season is unforntuante.
The Chipper, Kawakami, McLouth contracts are a big drag on the teams fortunes in 2011.
Everyone’s hoping against hope that A) Chipper’s banged up 39-year-old body will somehow, some way, rejuvenate itself and Chipper will produce, well, not like he did prior 2004 (when his injury jinx began), but perhaps on the order of his batting title year or B) that Chipper doesn’t blow another knee (or something else) halfway through the season. Confidence level: low to very low.
Kawakami… I think the Kawakami defenders have pretty much taken to the tall grass. In fairness to Kawakami, he was overbilled as a version of Greg Maddux. Not. Good luck if Wren unloads him without having to eat a substantial portion of his contract. Still, even if Wren can dump the K-man, that’s dollars substracted from payroll.
Good Stuff Lew
bringing him up and not using him hurt him mentally!
So what is it, brain bruise?
October 18th, 201010:41 am
So the cold, hard, fact is the Phillies are going to win 97 games again next year? Never thought I’d see you pump up those Phillies in the off-season Lew. Especially this early and that big of a pump-up.
October 18th, 201010:42 am
.Don – I also believe you admitted that most of the problems were not due to Bobby, but were due to payroll constraints.
Your coments concerning injuries to pitchers being his (and McDowwel’s) fault, and your assessment of Escobar are both PURE UNADULTRATED CRAP. As always, you continue to be a Maroon, and now you are even contridicting yourself.
.Don – I dno’t htink I heva a raedign porbelm!
October 18th, 201010:43 am
I think Wrens comments are meant to be elusive. All semantics. I don’t think he’ll go out and bid for Werth or Crawford, but I think he’ll be looking at some upgrades through trades and lesser free agents.
There will be more bargains out there once the FA list increases after the non-tender deadline.
oh, adn htank uyo, raleighbravefan!
October 18th, 201010:45 am
Phillies won 97 this year, and didn’t get untracked until late August/September.
If they have a healthy year next year, their only concern would be replacing Werth’s power.
October 18th, 201010:47 am
TenPaul-I’m not pumping them up. Those are just cold hard facts – like I said. Now it is entirely POSSIBLE – if not probable – that the Phillies may not win as many next year making the differential even less, but after what we saw from the Phillies (and the Braves) in September, do you want to take the chance that it will happen because the Phillies stop winning?
Keep Lowe and find another cheaper offensive/defensive solution. I’d rather we gain the seven wins by winning them.
Lew… I’d generally agree with 10:35 assessment, though I’d add this: I’d like to see Wren add younger offensive talent rather than trying to lock down an older power bat. I’ve got to believe that there are solid prospcts at the major league ready stage that teams might part with for a reasonable price. The Braves have enough money locked up in older players who are questionable in terms of A) health and/or B) ability to produce.
And there’s that little thing about positioning the Braves beyond 2011. The team has a good core of younger pitchers (on the staff and coming up). The infield looks pretty good, except for Chipper and, perhaps, Gonzalez (no small exceptions, but…).
Heyward is set and should make big strides next season. Why not look for a young stud to put in the outfield along side Heyward?
October 18th, 201010:49 am
Unretire – Don’t hold your breath for a rational response from Don – or any response at all! He always just flys by, drops his load of crap, and disappears when challenged.
Richbrave, JJ is taking a break during the off-season to fix his knee. I don’t know enough about shoulder injuries or the state of JJ’s shoulder to render an opinion about the need for shoulder surgery. Also, I’m sure the Braves have told him to stay away from the winter pick-up games.
October 18th, 201010:50 am
DS1-I expect the Phillies will likely have a similar season next year – it’s a typical Phillies’ season. They are prone (like I’ve said all along) to cold offensive streaks and poor pen pitching early, but seem to surge late in the season.
We came close to finding the key to beating them this year – hit them early and don’t quit until they are submerged in September.. Unfortunately, we quit winning and lost the lead.
October 18th, 201010:51 am
DC Brave: No outfield bats in system that are going to be ready next season, barring some big, surprising, rapid improvement.
October 18th, 201010:52 am
Been a Rubicon fan all season, but it’s hard to imagine that it could have survived on any other network. — Obee
Agreed, which is why the majority of great dramas on TV aren’t on the major networks. They’re on FX, AMC, HBO, etc.
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