6:32 pm October 17, 2010, by David O'Brien
October 17th, 20109:44 pm
yes they can use pitching, but right now JJ is a big question mark, not a solid asset like b4, at least to another team. I mean they trade Kemp for JJ and he does not come back healthy, or comes back but pitches more to his peripherals than he previously has. hows that gonna go over in LaLa land?
October 17th, 20109:45 pm
What planet is the sky on Cody Ross’ planet?
McClouth– KK- Melky–Ankiel- even Troy Glaus with his bad knees– were bust acquisitions by Frank Wren and were symptomatic of the Braves approach–cheap and temporary. The failure at these positions cost the Braves dearly. The answer is to fire Frank Wren and sell the club to a new owner who has the burning desire to win.
Ross is continuing to drive up his asking price this off season.
Thats it we need CODY ROSS!
cody ross will be nlcs mvp!
October 17th, 20109:46 pm
My biggest fear – one, I suspect, that is not generally shared, is that Freddie Freeman is not the 1B ’saviour’ as envisioned. – Bravesfan54
I for one do not anticipate Freeman being anything other than solid defensively. He’ll be 21 years old and has always struggled when moving to a new level.
Braves got .248/.346/.422 with 23 HR and 89 RBI out of the 1B position in 2010. I don’t expect those kind of numbers out of Freddie in 2011.
All the more reason we need to upgrade the OF.
Anyone who is counting on a rookie to be our “savior” is begging to be disappointed.
I know Wren is going to acquire players to fill these holes, but as of right now, it’s crazy to think that we don’t know who is going to be starting in the field for 2012 at CF, LF, SS, and 3B. Of course, it’s the start of the offseason prior to 2011, but still, not a lot of prospects at those positions who will be close by the start of the 2012 season – unless you’re a Pastornicky fan. Not that this is a big concern, because some teams end up having to patchwork it at spots, but just something that I thought about….
Dave, we need a big bat, period. The regular season and postseason proved we are fine with pitching, both starrting, and relief,. but.. we need to get one more big bat, or we wont score enough runs.
Not to.. but.. one correction to something you said. The Braves actually were eliminated from the 1999 World Series at the old Yankee Stadium, in Game Four, to complete the sweep. The WS opened in Atlanta that year, and the Braves lost Games One and Two at home, and then Games Three and Four at Yankee Stadium, to lose the Series.
I hope that Wren don’t repeat the history of the past two years and wait and wait and then sign the cheapest off the bottom of the barrell. We were told one thing last year only to find out later that he really did not have any money to spend and the payroll would IN FACT go down.
I hope Wren suprises me. We only have to fill two positions. We only have to have to fill TWO positions. Can’t we do better than getting what is left over at the end of the winter?
October 17th, 20109:47 pm
Gary O -
Ah- hadn’t seen that…still would be more surprised if it happens then I would to see Kemp a Dodger next year.
Yeah, I think we are just fine for the time being
Should have gotten Cody Ross instead of Ankiel
I do think the Braves can get 2 outfielders. Gibby
maybe, but not of that price. they will either offer him a contract now or his late season heroics will drive his price up quite a bit. It’s not like it takes place in a vacuum, there are always other teams looking for the same tools and bidding against you. I hope you are right, but I bet you aren’t.
October 17th, 20109:48 pm
It’s amusing that the futility of this team in the post season has been unspoken until the icon has finally left the dugout. If he had been called out for these failures during his reign, maybe he would have been canned years ago when it could have made a difference.
October 17th, 20109:49 pm
Brian, why would the Brew Crew trade Braun? Because he runs his mouth from time to time?
October 17th, 20109:50 pm
Jerry Crasnick: “Mike Fontenot is making Brooks Conrad look like Brooks Robinson “
Melky and Beachy for Braun???
October 17th, 20109:51 pm
Mike Fontenot is making Brooks Conrad look like Brooks Robinson “
ouch!!! what a slam
October 17th, 2010
Ross is continuing to drive up his asking price this off season.”
The thing is, he’s only arb eligible, he’s not a FA. No chance SF DFA’s him. No chance.
October 17th, 20109:53 pm
I mean the asking price on the trade market. I agree that SF will probably keep him.
I agree MIBF, if he is still arb eligible after all this they will likely keep him
October 17th, 20109:58 pm
I’m signing off to go watch that AMC show Nolie doesn’t care much for. Go Giants! Take care all!
October 17th, 201010:00 pm
cya MIBF,. have fun, though why you would rather waste your time watching that show than talk to Moe and me is beyond understanding
October 17th, 201010:08 pm
nolie, I am agreeing with your assessment of our likely OF options–one bat and not much better than Ross. Do you picture the fourth outfielder to be someone currently in house or picking up someone from outside? Do we non-tender Diaz and then negotiate something?
I may be having to head out in a few minutes. Getting tired of grading and will have to do some cooking.
October 17th, 201010:10 pm
Best way to not be planning and still be playing? Get Frank Wren out of the Braves’ organization. Get someone in there who can get players here to help this team get to the World Series. Wren’s recent additions – Kenshin Kawakami, Nate McLouth, Melky Cabrera, Derrek Lee, Rick Ankiel – did very little to help the Braves in 2010.
October 17th, 201010:13 pm
Lee’s numbers with Atlanta were much better than we had been getting out of first: .287/.384/.465/.849. That and the improved defense there made him well worth the pick up.
October 17th, 201010:14 pm
I’m off for a bit too Moe. what you gonna cook for us? bon appetit!
October 17th, 201010:15 pm
yeah on Lee Moe. too bad we caint afford him as Freeman’s partner and mentor and bench guy
October 17th, 201010:17 pm
Game 4 of the 99 series was at Yankee Stadium? I watched us lose the first two at the Ted. Am i wrong?
nolie, I agree. Would like him around for another year. But I agree–too expensive.
Cooking–very minimal tonight (last night was much more elaborate. Just a stir fry.
Coach (2011 and Fredi G. a GO!)
Thanks for the new blog Chief, it’s a ton of stuff to chew on.
2010 went bust but not before they overachieved and made the playoffs. So (2011 or Bust) is ancient history.
I still say the Braves will explore the option of trading Derek Lowe, for many reasons.
Number one being payroll, and second that the young pitching is in my opinion, stacked up and ready to go. Third, Lowe just had a hell of a finish to his season and selling high makes sense. Fourth, we all know Wren tried his damnest to unload Derek Lowe last off season. Fifth, Lowe would bring in three or four players in return which the Braves could use in the outfield, infield, bullpen, bench, minors, etc.
Simply put, there are more reasons than not to trade him.
October 17th, 201010:18 pm
Ross almost hits another one out.
October 17th, 201010:23 pm
almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and hydrogen bombs
October 17th, 201010:24 pm
with Medlen out and JJ questionable I will be surprised if they trade any established starters.
October 17th, 201010:29 pm
hit him in the face…victorino that is
October 17th, 201010:33 pm
I’m a Vic fan myself
October 17th, 201010:35 pm
package Jurjens & Mclouth for an outfielder.
October 17th, 201010:36 pm
we dont need pitchers. we need HITTERS!
an injured pitcher and a guy who just hit 200?
October 17th, 201010:37 pm
I agree bama. did you see my apology?
October 17th, 201010:38 pm
Dave, thanks for the encouraging news/thoughts/perspective. Helpful, hopeful, timely. You are the man. Bruce
October 17th, 201010:39 pm
What I’d do for just one “Victorino” on our team. Guy plays baseball.
October 17th, 201010:41 pm
he’s an old-school, hard nosed player IMO
October 17th, 201010:42 pm
Talking about the elimination games at the Ted, in 1999 they lost game 4 to the Yankees in New York. They lost the first 2 in Atlanta. Now for the outfield, maybe the new hitting coach fixes McClouth. I bet Diaz sees time at first next year along with Prado to get Infante in the lineup. Chipper will start at third because he is Chipper whether or not he deserves to start. If Heyward continues to get better and Freeman gives us 20 hrs and 80 rbi and McCann plays like he always does the offense could actually be better without a big name outfielder. I would like to see Nick Markakis and/or Colby Rasmus in Atlanta next season. I hope Hinske is back. I have high hopes for next season. Sometimes change can spark a team as things become stagnant over time and Gonzalez is more aggressive with stolen bases and hit and runs trying to manufacture runs.
where on the same team. just diff ideas and thats okay.
October 17th, 201010:44 pm
well I was trying to be funny, but when I reread it that’s not how it sounded
October 17th, 201010:46 pm
and Gonzalez is more aggressive with stolen bases and hit and runs trying to manufacture runs.
good luck on that, the Gonzo we saw is the real Gonzo with a bat, very close to his career numbers,
Cody Ross hit 3 hrs
Philly opening up lead 6 to 1 in 7th. Giants bull pen has let them down.
October 17th, 201010:48 pm
oops you meant Fredi
October 17th, 201010:49 pm
be a minor miracle if the Giants win IMO
October 17th, 201010:50 pm
Gonzo was a D- in my book. Not the player he was billed as and don’t like him coming back.
wasnt to impressed with gonzo. He swings at to many bad balls.
October 17th, 201010:53 pm
Not the player he was billed as o-me
maybe not, it depends on who you listened to I guess, but he was exactly the player he has always been except for that 3 month aberration in Toronto this year where they dang near broke the MLB record for team homers out of the blue. musta had PEDs in the water supply up thar
McFann O O – 6
Victorino is annoying…
October 17th, 201010:54 pm
ah you is pre-juiced
Shot Thru the Lockhart
October 17th, 201010:57 pm
Victorino is the biggest tool in the toolbox. We could find guys that play hard, but don’t make fools of themselves every time a (correct) call doesn’t go their way. If I had one dollar for every time i’ve seen Victorino take an obvious called third strike and then start making his way to first as the umpire rung him up, I’d have been able to put another twenty in the offering plate at church today. And I never watch the Phils unless they’re playing the Braves so I can only assume he does that when he’s playing other teams too.
October 17th, 201010:58 pm
Atlanta is the 8th largest market in the country and the best they can produce is a 90 million dollar payroll? Seriously Atlanta get out and support your team. If they didn’t have to do THREE buy one get one free ticket days at the Ted then maybe they could go out and get a Jason Werth to play the outfield instead of some guy who is about to retire and will get hurt in May.
October 17th, 201010:59 pm
oh no, not another attendance tirade
a couple of things: 1. you forgot to mention david ross in the guaranteed money
2. the braves didnt trade for kawakami
October 17th, 201011:02 pm
Ide have to agree with scottsbrave fan.
October 17th, 201011:05 pm
um the breave didnt trade for kawakimi geez. they signed him.
October 17th, 201011:07 pm
look what I’m reading……. http://www.ehow.com/how_4472112_become-baseball-general-manager.html
How to become a GM anyone interested?
nolie ah you is pre-juiced
Me is. But me always no likey him…even ‘fore he did what he did in 2008…
Shot Thru the Lockhart If I had one dollar for every time i’ve seen Victorino take an obvious called third strike and then start making his way to first as the umpire rung him up, I’d have been able to put another twenty in the offering plate at church today.
Hahahaha! No kidding…
Adios Giants….just another stepping stone for the Phillies third consecutive WS appearance.
there are a bunch s of reasons why the attendance at Atlanta is not as high as in the northeast. they have been discussed here ad nauseum and nothing is gonna change. it went up this year but I doubt it influences LM’s decision on budget much, no matter the attendance figures they could afford to sink a lot more money into the team if they wanted to
October 17th, 201011:08 pm
Here is an article (admittedly a bit old) about a study that determined that baseball market size was irrelevant to outcomes.
October 17th, 201011:11 pm
no kidding Moe, look at the Cubs for the last 100+ years
October 17th, 201011:15 pm
October 17th, 2010
cya MIBF,. have fun, though why you would rather waste your time watching that show than talk to Moe and me is beyond understanding ”
Well I guess I’m just not that smart . . . .
DOB–In your opinion, will the following players be back in 2011: Melky Cabrera, Matt Diaz and Eric O’Flaherty.
Frank from KS (now living in CO)
October 17th, 201011:16 pm
Hey Coach – re: your comment about Lowe
I think Lowe earned the right to stay here next season with his down the stretch performance and his postseason performance.
Whether he does or doesn’t, is a totally different story, with the GM that’s in the FO!!
October 17th, 201011:17 pm
scottbravesfan and Bama Brave, How many games did yall go to this past season?
Yep, on the Cubs. Wrigley is packed but it does not lead to a World Series championship. Toronto is a huge city but the Blue Jays have not been much since the early 90s. The Mets have had some lean years despite huge payroll and being in NYC; they just have the two WS championships, and their last one was 25 years ago.
October 17th, 201011:19 pm
Oh yeah, DOB, thanks for the new blog. It was worth waiting for.
MIBravesFan–How was Mad Men? I have only seen one episode so don’t know much about it. Some students brought it up in class the other day to make some point. I followed the point but did not get the allusion.
October 17th, 201011:20 pm
or maybe you’re just smarter than either of us MIBF
October 17th, 201011:21 pm
Playoffs!!!! you can definitely count Eric O’Flaherty coming back……..Diaz I think you can expect him coming back but they’ll have to non-tender him and then work out a deal……………Melky he is gone wayyyyy gone
nolie–I think I agree with that.
October 17th, 201011:23 pm
MIBravesFan – enjoy the AMC show?
wonder if the Yankees will pick melkey back up?
October 17th, 201011:24 pm
Tomas–I agree on EOF, am pretty sure on the Diaz scenario, and on Melky making his way elsewhere. What is your take on Hinske? Before reading the blog, I would have given him a bit more of a chance. But FW’s point on FF being LH and Hinske also being LH, I am less certain on his prospects. Any thoughts on how they wind out the bullpen?
October 17th, 201011:25 pm
The Yankees might sign both Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford
I Think that is one of DOB’s faves. I gotta admit they have the time period down pretty pat
October 17th, 201011:26 pm
Melky will do better in the AL. He can bat ninth and still have a good bat behind him, ensuring that he gets pitches. He had Derek Jeter batting behind him in NY. Certainly made him look better than when he had a pitcher behind him.
I pretty much assumed Hinske would be replaced with a RHed version, but too early to be sure
October 17th, 201011:27 pm
nolie – relating back to a comment from last night – did you enjoy Agent Sarah Walker’s preparation for the trip to Costa Brava on last week’s Chuck
October 17th, 201011:29 pm
Moe Berg, I know the Braves need right handed bats, but the job Hinske did this year was amazing. He is the best pinch hitter out there, can play multiple positions, and is great on the clubhouse…….If it were me I’d bring him bat, and I’d try to find a starting outfielder that hits for power and is right handed(not very easy with this mediocre FA market and no money).
nolie, that is what I would guess. Last year, they went after Gload before Hinske, but they still came up with a LH utility player in Hinske. Whom would you consider to be a RH version of a multi-position bench player that might be available?
I don’t usually watch a series til the season is over Jim, so I missed that. but it gives me something intriguing to look forward to. I think she is a hottie
October 17th, 2010
MIBravesFan–How was Mad Men? I have only seen one episode so don’t know much about it. Some students brought it up in class the other day to make some point. I followed the point but did not get the allusion.”
I don’t think I can explain it. I have no idea what they meant.
My dad had a half brother who was an ad guy in NYC in the early 60s. My Mom said he looked so much like Dad they could have been twins. I watch this show, and I think of both of them.
October 17th, 201011:31 pm
nolie – you should definitely be looking forward (I’ve suffered innumerable pokes from the person to my right while typing that to you)…
October 17th, 201011:32 pm
don’t have a name in mind Moe, too early, but there will be guys DFAed who started on other teams most likely. and of course they might decide to keep him… but I think they gotta find a RHed hitting 1BM to help out Freeman
Tomas–While I agree with all that Hinske provides, who plays first against a tough LHP? Who will spell Freeman? I know that Hinske has historically played both corners in the infield and outfield, but I am guessing that his weight is more than it used to be. Other than first and the spot start in LF, where else can he competently play? I like him as a bench player but would like him a lot more if he was RH.
October 17th, 201011:33 pm
Tomas—I agree with you on EOF probably being back. I am not so sure Diaz will return. He’s 35 now, his numbers took a big dip. As for Melky, I don’t know.
I know I go against just about everybody on the blog because I think he is valuable. He can play every outfield position(as opposed to Diaz, who can only fplay left) , and he has an excellent arm (although I admit he is not as good defensively as I thought he was). Plus he can switch hit
MIBravesFan – but, more to the point, how about Don’s big announcement?
October 17th, 201011:35 pm
I watch this show, and I think of both of them. MIBF
well that definitely tops even Moe ‘n’ me
October 17th, 201011:36 pm
October 17th, 201011:37 pm
my guess is the only way Melkey stays is if he agrees to sign after being DFAed. There are any number of players who will be around that are as good or better and won’t cost what he will.he was pretty much what I said he would be, not much
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