6:32 pm October 17, 2010, by David O'Brien
October 17th, 20108:35 pm
I think Kemp is our best chance for several reasons. 1)He had run-ins with the team this year, been called out by the GM and Torre, and his agent has suggested a trade might be best for both sides
2) His salary next season is $6.95 mil. Given the divorce proceedings of ownership, Dodgers might be looking to save money, although after the 2011 season, he stil has one more arbitration eligible year.
3) Right now, the Dodgers have Billingsley, Kershaw and Lilly under contract, but the other starters are FA. They need pitchers.
I like the fact that he is right handed, and has the potential to be like Andruw Jones (good and bad), but I would take him in a LA minute.
October 17th, 20108:37 pm
everyone ready for another offseason of talking about who’ll we’ll get as our so call bat.
so far the deals that have thought such obvious matches are not what Smilin’ Frank has pulled off. Kemp would be ok with me too
Agreed about resting players. If I’m not mistaken, AGon has never had this many ABs, but yet we only gave him 1 or 2 days off after we traded for him.
Glaus was struggling for weeks, but Bobby hardly gave him days off. Prado was hurt and struggling, but Bobby never gave him any days off.
Fredi needs to do a better job with resting players, and Wren has to give him better options so that when Fredi wants to rest his players, we have capable spot starters.
October 17th, 20108:38 pm
Another good summer show was Justified – most of the good ones are on the alternative networks, not much on mainstream, but then again there is never much on mainstream unless you like quizzes, reality or vaguely humorous cop series.
October 17th, 20108:39 pm
October 17th, 2010
Yeah, I know and it’s not like that siri deal had anything to do with the Braves, but man they got fat on that deal. Of course I’m glad they made it, because I played along.
Heck, I don’t think they would miss 18 million or so.”
I would take an extra $9 mil for the payroll! Just give them an extra $9 mil! (I feel like a Dickens character!)
yeah that “big bat” never materialized last year did it? unless Bat Masterson on the board was a stand in
McFann O O – 6
Rob from SC—
Yeah, I mean…Ross is pretty good. I’m not saying sit BMac twice a week, but, ya know—once a week, plus an extra off-day here and there. Course, that goes back to having another bat to carry more of the workload. Bobby couldn’t afford the luxury of giving BMac too many extra days this past year ’cause guys were going down and there wasn’t a whole lot of other help…
Piedmont Blues I think you’re onto something when you say McCann pressed when he was expected to carry the offense. If he goes back to being the second or third most important run producer on the team, he’ll probably rake once again.
I think I have to agree with that one! I was going through some old 2006 stories for a slideshow I’m putting together, and man-oh-man…those were some great numbers! I did enjoy reminiscing…
October 17th, 20108:40 pm
I like Kemp too. Put him in LF and bat cleanup.
October 17th, 20108:42 pm
Of great interest to me is who will be the next hitting coach. TP, as proven by statistics, did a good job. I can’t say how he might have been better but I recognize that a hitting coach holds no bats.I believe that TP has an above average baseball mind and like he says will be very useful in an expanded role. Or maybe not. After all what do I really know. Blog speculation is a rampant disease and I am it’s victim. Must say that McLouth seems to be redeemable. Hinske would be a very nice retainment. Must have something in the outfield of very good quality. Don’t see the two super studs mentioned being affordable. Nice mix this year of experience and youth. Keep that in mind FW. Is Wags not interested in coaching?
you are right, it has been a number ofl years since Alex was near that total, but then again he walks so seldom that his PAs still ain’t all THAT high
I like the idea of trying to find the “real” Nate McLouth next season…but I’d hate to hang onto Kawakami. What Brooks Conrad is to defense, Kenshin Kawakami is to starting pitching. Not good.
Gary Wren has to give him better options so that when Fredi wants to rest his players, we have capable spot starters.
True that. Of course, he filled that need at catcher rather nicely. And actually—the Braves bench was outstanding this year…and even better when they were, ah-heh, the bench. A tad exposed when they were pushed into everyday duty…
October 17th, 20108:43 pm
Ment someone new in the outfield.
October 17th, 20108:44 pm
I’m all in favor of the Kemp idea! The Dodgers need pitching and we have a happy surplus of it. And I think they want to trade him. I could be wrong, but that fit doesn’t seem to work there right now.
for much of the last year there were so many injuries and so many players struggling at the same time I don’t think there was as much opportunity to rest guys. Bobby usually is known for playing a lot og guys more than many other managers do. just that kinda year I think
October 17th, 20108:46 pm
r…and even better when they were, ah-heh, the bench. A tad exposed when they were pushed into everyday duty…
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October 17th, 20108:48 pm
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Steve from OH
I’m ok with Kemp as long as he’s playing LF, and Wren needs to be judicious about what he gives up for him–he’s not on the best of terms with his organization and coming off a rather poor season. Best case scenario in this case would be Schafer coming back healthy and proving ready to take over CF mid-season, as McLouth’s D leaves something to be desired out there, and Kemp sure ain’t a great CF.
Trade for Hunter Pence. Houston needs pitching we need a outfielder that can hit.
October 17th, 20108:50 pm
What about Coco Crisp for CF and Pat Burrell for LF. Bat Crisp leadoff and Burrell 5th.
October 17th, 20108:51 pm
I bet they are tired of it. Look at the difference though. Philly has MUCH better players. All it takes is money and or time to develop cheap talent.
They have had the same problem for years now. Almost no outfield talent, an aging 3rd basemen who can’t be trusted to play more than about 85 games…. A shortstop…well Frank created the problem at Shortstop so I guess young .240 with potential and an ego and a few errors is better than .240 and no ego but no potential either and a lot of errors.
Either way, Frank did a nice job rebuilding the pitching staff. Now. it remains to be seen if the Braves are willing to spend the money to go get at least 2 big hitters.
The Braves keep signing guys who were good 5 years ago for little cash… That isn’t the formula for winning a playoff series and they know it.
So they can continue and say that they are frustrated… but that’s BS. They know how to fix it. The truth is that the owner doesn’t care about winning and it’s not going to change until they sell the team.
October 17th, 20108:52 pm
They will never install a rule that individuals have to own a team. They never will. Heck, it might even be deemed unconstitutional if they tried!
Liberty has the money to spend on the Braves. If they wanted. Shoot, just the money they saved in the deal, they sould spend $500 mill on the team next year and still be ahead. But, alas, they care nothing about the team and baseball in general. It is an asset to them plain and simple. So, they are going to try and make money off of it…which is their right. But, it is one of the issues with corporate ownership. Of course, then you have owners like in FL and Pitt. But, many studies have come out about how much money each team gets from revenue sharing, tv contracts, etc. Liberty could still raise payroll by probably 20 mill and still break even.
DOB, are there any Braves playing in the Dominican Winter League. I a contemplating a trip to catch a couple of games.
October 17th, 20108:53 pm
Steve, so in that case, I am guessing you want two OFs…cause we don’t want Nate and his phobia of throwing the ball in CF next year, right?
October 17th, 20108:54 pm
We need a good player that has a chance to be great. To me, that’s someone like Kemp. You know what you are getting with Coco and Pat…
October 17th, 20108:55 pm
Jason, ideally we’d find a good defensive CF that can hit in the middle of the order. But that ain’t happening!
October 17th, 20108:56 pm
Steve from OH,
On one hand, I’m not sure what to make of Kemp’s defense. 2 years ago, he won a Gold glove, but last season, his defense appeared to decline rapidly.
It reminds me somewhat of Nate, who won a gold glove 3 years ago, but as we have seen the last 2 seasons, his defense is bad.
Maybe Kemp has a bounceback year defensively. But even if he struggles defensively again, he should still provide 25 HR and 90 RBI.
October 17th, 20108:58 pm
But yeah, two OF’s would be ideally ideal. But that ain’t happening either, in all likelihood.
We really need Schafer to do work this year.
October 17th, 20109:00 pm
Steve frm OH – I hope he does, for himself as well as the Braves. I don’t think he can be in the planning for 2011, though.
October 17th, 20109:01 pm
Steve, agreed. What about a guy like Cody Ross in CF if Kemp was in LF?
October 17th, 20109:02 pm
Is there any chance SF DFA’s Ross now?
Also, agreed on Logan…too bad injuries and time missed has caused him to regress. If he continued to progress at the rate we and the team thought, we wouldn’t be having the discussion about a 2nd OF. Logan would be in CF and get someone like Kemp to play LF…case closed!
Steve, Kemp slid on D last year no doubt, but he has had decent years b4 hasn’t he? My Bill James connection is not working lately to check on my own
October 17th, 20109:03 pm
Dodgers are not giving up Kemp for anything short of a few top young arms. If they give him up at all, which I still think is not going to happen
3rd basemen who can’t be trusted to play more than about 85 games
Shoot, didn’t realize Ross was Arb 3 next year. I thought he was a FA.
October 17th, 20109:05 pm
cabravesfan, you still think that will be there stance after his year last year…both on and off the field? I am not saying it won’t take a top prospect or a JJ to lead the way, but you think they will still ask for what they would have before last year…which would have been a few top arms?
What about a guy like Cody Ross in CF if Kemp was in LF? Jason
that would be nice, but it ain’t happening.
In fact I won’t be surprised if someone on the level of Ross is our only OF addition.
October 17th, 20109:06 pm
October 17th, 2010
Dodgers are not giving up Kemp for anything short of a few top young arms. If they give him up at all, which I still think is not going to happen”
Are you really sure about that?
October 17th, 20109:07 pm
if he was placed on waivers is his arb still in tact?
October 17th, 20109:08 pm
If we get a big basher for LF, Ross is cool with me. But not as the main acquisition. Don’t know what to make of his defense, as his numbers are up-and-down year-to-year out there. But he looks better than Nate, anyway.
October 17th, 20109:09 pm
I think it will take a fair bit to get Kemp, there will be other teams interested too. not all that many decent hitting CFers around
Jake – I don’t think that has anything to do with his arb status, but I’m sure DOB or someone who knows for sure will tell you.
October 17th, 20109:10 pm
Yes. The off field issue is not as big a deal as it seems to be in other medias, and they certainly don’t have to trade him. He just turned 26 and is not arb eligible until after 2012, and signed to a pretty reasonable deal for next year. The Dodgers can ask for whatever they want (pitching) and if they don’t get it, they don’t have to trade him. And they won’t.
Kemp’s last 3 years in CF:
+5, +2, -15.
What’s up with that?
If we get a big basher for LF, Ross is cool with me. Steve
ain’t happening. Jason, McNate and whomever. let’s just hope whomever is better than Ross
October 17th, 20109:11 pm
cabravesfan – we have a back-up QB we’d like to return to you! Interested?
October 17th, 20109:12 pm
well like hitters, plyers have up and down years in the field too, but that is extreme. my guess is unhappy and not concentrating…another Escobrat mayhaps
October 17th, 20109:13 pm
Ok, just a note DOB, the 1996 NLCS was actually won in 7 games, as the Braves won game 1, then lost the next three, before storming back to win the next three, while outscoring the Cardinals 32-1 in those three games, including a 14-0 win in game 5, and a 15-0 win in game 7.
Sorry! Your 49ers seem to be have QB issues.
DOB, we all know what we’d LIKE to see with McLouth, which would be a return to his old self. But what do you think actually will happen? Think he’s got anything left?
I, for one, think he’s capable of being an all star again and really helping this team…but you would have a more informed opinion than mine, I imagine…
Steve do they show +/- anywhere else?
October 17th, 20109:14 pm
Who is this backup QB of which you speak?
October 17th, 20109:15 pm
McNates old self is really 255/355/440, but that would be ok
and we seem to have QB issues?? Dude, that’s putting it nicely! Just this morning I was actually pining for Shaun Hill! Then I cried. But they WON today!
Hill – but I think he broke his arm today.
Medlin will not be ready until 2012. Maybe someone can help me. Why isn’t Infante projected as the starting ss next year. That represents 80 point difference over Gonzalez. Look how long it took for Prado to become the starting 2b. Now on a weak hitting team, the player who led the team in hitting, the player who is averaging 305 for last 3 years and a 240 hitter is projected at ss. Anyone help me understand.
October 17th, 20109:16 pm
On fangraphs. It’s under “rPM” according to Braveheart.
October 17th, 20109:17 pm
Yes, certainly am NOT ok with a Ross type being considered the primary pick-up. But, man, as long as I don’t have to see Melky in a Braves uniform…EVER again. I just hate that guy (as a baseball player of course).
CAB, you are certainly correct that they don’t have to trade him. But, if the player and his agent both want a trade…could a package centered around JJ and a Hoover type prospect start conversations? I think so.
October 17th, 20109:18 pm
Well I’m happy for your Niners for you, cabravesfan!
Would have been nice if the flippin Cowboys would have beat the damn Vikings!
October 17th, 20109:19 pm
I think I would deal, Vizcaino, Beachy and Alex Gonzalez for Rasmus. Am I crazy??? Gibby
IMO? yes you are
Say it ain’t so, nolie. To have Rasmus/Heyward in the same outfield for the next 4+ years, you wouldn’t trade that package of players? I mean, I don’t like giving up AGon because there is no real SS in the org. to replace him and they’d have to go get someone, but you really wouldn’t trade that for a 23 year old kid coming off a .276/.361/.498, 132 OPS+ year? Personally, I don’t really care about his baggage with La Russa. Change of scenery out of STL will help him then, right? And I love Vizcaino and Beachy….and like most all Braves prospects, but I’m doing that deal.
October 17th, 20109:20 pm
Blog was a great read, thanks David.
October 17th, 20109:22 pm
And I love Vizcaino and Beachy….and like most all Braves prospects, but I’m doing that deal.
Me too. I’d try to keep Gonzo out of it, as we need a SS, but I’m signing on that one all day.
October 17th, 20109:23 pm
If you’re keeping track of this #Phillies RISP funk, now up to 0×14 last 3 games, & 3-for-last-31 since 2nd inning of LDS Gm 1. -Jason Stark
Braves offense wasn’t the only one with problems. Nice to see the Phils catching the funk.
October 17th, 20109:24 pm
Too much money tied up in a few players who don’t produce, Too little capital being invested by present owners, A farm system that hasen,t produced since Roy Clark departed, Fredi will be a good manager but like Bobby you only get to play with the cards you are delt. Frank Wren may be a good gm, Hard to tell when he has to operate on tight budget but most of the trades he has made have not worked out very well, Don,t look for any improvement in the near future.
….and like most all Braves prospects, but I’m doing that deal. Efrim
thought you might, but I am not as sold on Rasmus as you are I guess, and he is left handed…I know, but I still want a righty. I think that package is too high at this time, but the crazy part was just facetious.
October 17th, 20109:26 pm
What are they going to do with Conrad? And I also wish we’d know something definitely about Chipper. That’s an awful lot of payroll awarded to him that could be spread elsewhere. I love Chipper, I really do. I think he’d be awesome as a hitting coach. But he wasn’t healthy last year (on the DL a lot) even BEFORE the injury in Houston.
Just my thoughts…
October 17th, 20109:27 pm
DAVE, I hope you read my comment…I think I have possible the answer to the Braves payroll problem and would love your input on it. Baasically, Chipper is putting us in a bind. He HOPES to come back and play at a high level. HE/We won’t know until the middle of spring training–which is certainly too late to go after some top free agents. Chipper must also be keenly aware that we need some hitting badly. He does not need money–at least right now. Under these rather unusual circumstances, could the Braves cut a deal with him to defer say $10 mil for a later time. He will probably need it in several years(he sure as hell doesn’t need it now)–but this will allow the team to really get a high quality guy to get us competing with the big boys. Our pitching is so good, it seems worth a shot. I would not propose that we end up like the Arizona team who mortgaged their entire future on that one world series. Nor should this become a regular occurance. However, under this scenerio I think it’s worth a look ….Your thoughts ??
I would be very disappointed if Ross was our only OF addition, especially since he seems up and down. But I would be okay with him and Nate platooning in CF, IF we land a legit OF. i dont see that happening though.
It has been speculated that if we wanted to get Rasmus for StL, it might take Craig Kimbrel, Arodys Vizcaino, and Omar Infante (one year until free agency).
What would it take to get to get Kemp?
Trade for hart from mil for left, maybe minor then trade for Raji Davis form oak. Line up
He did break his arm…but I’d still take him back. It was his left arm- he can still throw passes!
I decided that the cowboys/vikings game was #1 on my “games that I would rather remove my eyes with a fork then watch” AND my “root for the snipers!” list for the season. It’s going to be a hard one to top…
My biggest fear – one, I suspect, that is not generally shared, is that Freddie Freeman is not the 1B ’saviour’ as envisioned. Jason Heyward pretty much met expectations (or did he, I ask ominously?), and the year before we ‘bought into’ Jordan Shafer – who was a bust (and, no I don’t wanna hear about his wrist- that’s on him, not us). So, my thought is that we keep Hinkske for insurance. (I really would want Lee, but I hear the crowd assembling). Re-signing Gonzalez is a given -(what?, you want Yunel back?) He’ll do better as a “Brave” next year. Diaz is a sentimental favorite: he raked one year, and has been serviceaable in all years. He is expendable, and I say that reluctantly, since he has such potential. (Scratch that: his thumb will be fully healed!).
Chipper has to be fill the role of a Billy Wagner, but, expectations need to be seriously curtailed. But an infield of Jones/Prado/Infante/Freeman has a 50/50 probability of success/failure.
Now to pitching. Change little or nothing. (What, you say – even Kawakami?) Yes KK is salvageble, as he has something to prove. Bavedon please, understand that there is huge difference between expectation and performance. KK was dismissed early – and I cannot for life of me understand why McClouth – who is owed the same money (mol) is still being projected, while KK is rejected. (KK pisses me off so badly – not in his w/l – but in his pitch count – DUUUUDe you can’t let the batters see 56 pitches in 3 innings!!!!!).
Anyhow – and I say this realistically, after 56 seasons of watching my “beloved” team: we need to be looking for 2012 when we begin to own the ML for years to come! I absolutley mean this: I, who remember Rabbit Maranville!
October 17th, 20109:28 pm
Isn’t the most intricate part of a trade who gives up which prospects for the player the team making the trade wants? Truly high stakes poker.
October 17th, 20109:30 pm
you’ve done a great job of illustrating everything DOB… unfortunately the picture you have to paint is pretty drab and uninspiring.
October 17th, 20109:31 pm
I don’t think either Kemp or his agent have expressed desire for a trade, but he is still under team control. But yes, if the Braves offered JJ, maybe a guy like Mike Dunn, AND another prospect, the Dodgers listen. But I think it would take way too much to make it worth wile from the Braves side. Despite the issues, which really are not as major as they seem, the Dodgers are very high on Kemp.
October 17th, 20109:32 pm
They should be asking begging… pleading Nate McClouth to re structure that money for like 10 years.
Dude isn’t going to be in baseball past this contract anyway so maybe he’ll like a good structured retirement plan eh?
Beware of over-paying for young guys, last year the Kung Fu Panda was the Giants star, this year he is benched.
Look at the McLouth experience, looked like a good deal when we got him and then he bombs.
I would prefer a more experienced guy, especially if we are going to give up a lot of talent.
October 17th, 20109:33 pm
October 17th, 2010
He did break his arm…but I’d still take him back. It was his left arm- he can still throw passes!
I decided that the cowboys/vikings game was #1 on my “games that I would rather remove my eyes with a fork then watch” AND my “root for the snipers!” list for the season. It’s going to be a hard one to top…”
You and your hubby are good people!
October 17th, 20109:34 pm
JJ does not have all that much trade value right now. too many question marks. no GM trading an impact player like Kemp is gonna put a lot of faith in Jj right now. It will take some additions from the Braves
October 17th, 20109:36 pm
It is interesting that Fox is not showing the tracker box for the “strikes” being thrown by Oswalt, they look further off of the plate than the balls called on Sanchez.
y’all are aware that the union has to sign off on any major restructurings right? They don’t agree to them unless it actually advances the player in the long run
October 17th, 20109:38 pm
nolie – the thing is they really need starting pitching. They also have budget issues, don’t they? How much more would is really take?
October 17th, 20109:39 pm
Phillies….looking a lot like us at the dish.
October 17th, 2010
What are they going to do with Conrad?
Frank Wren said in interview on XM Conrad did his job (bench player,spot starter) extremely well and he would be back in that role .
So if we traded Vizcaino, Beachy and Gonzalez for Rasmus It opens up SS for Infante. I don’t feel the need to add a SS
thought you might, but I am not as sold on Rasmus as you are I guess, and he is left handed…I know, but I still want a righty.
It’d be great if he was right handed, and I do believe that it would be a risk to have four lefties in the lineup who don’t hit for as much power against LHP(McCann, Heyward, Rasmus, presumably Freeman). But if there was ever a time to trade our minor league pitching depth for a young, controllable stud outfielder, it would be now. At least that’s how I feel about Colby. I also like Kemp too, just not as much because he is a free agent in two years and is coming off a bad year from the plate and the field.
Thanks but we are NOT married!
We like you too
October 17th, 20109:40 pm
This is what Kemp’s agent said, in an nbcsports article.
“It’s almost like it’s open season on Matt, and it’s not right. It’s a bunch of back-seat crap. I’m almost to the point–and maybe so are the Dodgers–where I’m thinking that this just isn’t going to work.
The Dodgers have gaps on this team, and maybe they could fill them by trading Matt. It could be good for the team, and good for the player.”.
DOB – thanks for the new blog
October 17th, 20109:43 pm
When San Fran got Ross on waivers the intial reports had that they would not arbitration. I do think the Braves can get 2 outfielders.
October 17th, 2010
Thanks but we are NOT married!
We like you too ”
Well as your parents have probably already told you many times – you ought to be!
Rasmus and Braun have to be our top two targets. Whether we can get a deal done or not who knows?
October 17th, 20109:44 pm
Kemp would be my choice over Rasmus.
There’s Cody Ross again…
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