I don’t really have a problem with replacing Kimbrel with Dunn. The BIG mistake was throwing a 2-strike, 2-out slider to Freddy Sanchez when he already showed us he couldn’t catch up to the fastball.
That’s the real blunder yesterday (besides Conrad still being in).
Did McCann call that pitch?? Or did he call a fastball and Kimbrel shook him off.
Anyone??
Bob Brenly played the majority of career in the 80’s at catcher for the San Francisco Giants. I agree with those think the broadcast have been slanted in the direction of the Giants. I was listening yesterday when he criticized Heyward for taking too long to get up after running into the wall.
GREAT article! I have felt like all year that I knew guys like Conrad due to your insight. I think a lot of us can learn from Huddy’s words on the subject.
I am just hopeful that we (Braves players, org and fans) can get past this and it won’t require Brooks to be moved this winter to another club. He has been a real hero this year in my humble opinion!
If I were to get two Braves jersey’s today, they’d be #6 and #26.
I like Conrad, but I’m glad he’s not in there tonight. If the Braves have the lead going into the last few innings then hopefully Bobby will put Diory in there and get Glaus out.
really really classy article. i booed him heartily last night, and i feel positively awful about it right now. i will cheer him tonight in the unlikely event he gets a chance….
boy, i sure am glad conrad is a nice guy. that’s gonna make feel a lot better about failing to advance to the next round. just as long as he’s a “good dude.”
in america, it doesn’t matter how bad you are at your job, as long as your nice while doing it.
civilized white trash- your right. kimbrel has been by far the best pitcher out of the pen in over a month. he has completely filthy stuff while most hitters dont seem to have a chance against him, and still….bobby takes him out for a lefty-lefty matchup, without even to mention that huff hits better against lefties. bobby flat out didnt give the braves the best CHANCE of winning. and that is what managers are suppose to do. bobby is a great clubhouse guy and most managers do not have that characteristic that he has, but man, cox is flat out horrible at making decisions during the game.
Oh and I agree with others, I’d have left Kimbrell in there against Huff. If he reached, then I’d have brought in Moylan. How about saving Venters until the end of the game for once. If you need to save a lefty for the ninth inning then I’d rather have him in there over Dunn. Let Dunn pitch the 6th or 7th.
Conrad is a good player and should not be booed by Braves fans.
After the trouble he has had in the field the last several games, I found it almost unbelievable, that any MLB manager would have started him in yesterday’s game.
No, he should have been used off of the bench, if needed.
The loss yesterday lies squarely on the shoulders of the Braves manager.
The buck stops at Cox.
Still don’t understand this “Brooks is a good guy” DOB. Why exactly does that matter? Bad things happen to good people?
Of course the team is sticking up for him because that’s what teammates do. But only thing that makes him a good guy from this article is that he a career minor leaguer. He’s a career minor league 2B/3B. The team isn’t asking him to do anything he can’t do.
Please stop with he’s a good guy. Unless, he’s getting death threats or something. He’s no different than any other player. He has to get over it and move on, but no one should feel sorry for him. It happens.
who cares if he’s a good dude. what matters is if he can do his job.
Maybe people should remember that his job is to pinch hit, and be a backup-backup infielder. Seems to me he has done his “job” just fine this season. Dude isn’t supposed to hold down an infield position in a playoff hunt.
It can only get better for Conrad. Here’s hoping he gets a chance off the bench tonight for redemption. The guy deserves a better fate than Bill Buckner.
Oh, and the obvious choice for songs to lead off the blog would have been “Running on Empty” – if it hasn’t already been used.
T for Texas- back up infielders also called into starting role when needed. Guy had a really good season and happy for him. Also, looks like a Little Leaguer now and deserves criticism directed towards him. He is back where he should be tonight. Hope he has a pinch hit and redeems himself.
I wonder if Emmel is that bad, or does he have some sort of thing for the Braves?
The play at first in game 2 could have gone either way, but the ball/strike calling last night and the miss at second in game 1 are inexcuseable.
I sure hope these guys lose some sort of bonus or something like that if they stink it up in the playoffs.
With the money and importance of these games, Bud needs to pull his head out of his azz and get this thing rectified BEFORE the start of the NLCS and ALCS. Why wait till next year?
If you can’t boo errors made in an epic proportion, then I guess you simply can’t boo. Because even the player who makes the most bone-headed plays is loved by someone in the world. It is very, very doubtful that fans are booing the person (the father, son, brother, friend, human, etc) , they are booing the performance/player. Likewise, fans are investing their fleeting disposable income to watch an excellent sports performance from the player, not the best (and futile) efforts of a great person on a baseball diamond.
“If I’m Bobby Cox, I don’t think you could possibly have played Conrad tonight, for the player’s sake or the team’s sake.”
I don’t see how Bobby Cox started Conrad at the beginning of this series after his errors in the last regular season series against the Phillies. As DOB accurately described this depleted Braves squad: “a team that has to take advantage of its opportunities and not give away many outs if it has any hope of advancing beyond the first round”. The Giants have great pitching and don’t score many runs so Cox had to figure it would be a low scoring series and put a good defensive lineup on the field.
“If Cox doesn’t have enough faith in inexperienced Diory Hernandez to start him at second or third base, then yes, you must bite the bullet and put Glaus and his bad knees over at 3B, or Hinske, who doesn’t have mobility he had when he played the position years ago, but should be able to make the routine plays.”
If Cox doesn’t have enough faith in Hernandez to use him as 9th inning defensive replacement for a guy who has made 8 errors in 7 games or to use him tonight instead of a guy whose knees are shot and has played a handful of games at 3rd in the last 2 years, why did he put Hernandez on the 25 man playoff roster?
I have plenty of sympathy for Brooks Conrad, a lot less for Bobby Cox. It was evident to anybody with a brain that Conrad’s confidence in the field was shot before this series even started and yet Bobby kept sending him back out there. Cox is great at sticking up for his players and getting them to play hard for 162 games, but as a tactician he stinks.
Yes, but why are McCann, Cadahia, and Cox getting off scot free in all of this?!
McCann called the pitches, Cadahia positioned Gonzalez improperly, just as he has all year long with the infielders, and Cox made a dumb decision in the 9th, and compounded that with leaving Conrad out there…
Why is there no blame from the reporters and blog writers and what not for these guys?
IF Mac keeps calling the fastball, Sanchez either strikes out or pops up
IF Cadahia positions the infield to the slider Kimbrell threw, its an easy force out on that weak grounder
IF Cox takes out Conrad after 6 and leaves Kimbrell in, one way or another…
I’m just hoping Mrs. Brooks Conrad has a psychology degree and was able to put it to good use last night at home to talk Brooks down from whatever emotional precipice he was perched on.
That Hinkske homer was a thing of beauty.
A new game tonight, yet another chance for us to get it 100% right. Our LAST CHANCE, but a chance nonetheless.
If Jason Heyward acts surprised when a borderline pitch on the outside corner is called for a strike tonight he needs to be sent to his room.Come on Jason grow up, this is where real stars shine!
If that slider had been in the dirt where it belonged, most likely the blog would have been talking about the great win, great call,and great pitch all night long. Not a bad call in my opinion, just bad execution.
iChop2249 — yeah, I didn’t notice that one either. It wasn’t Paul Emmel working the plate that night though — he’s the one that blew the Posey steal at 2nd base that night.
However, it was Paul Emmel who said that Brooks Conrad went down swinging on a check swing last night, when it looked like Conrad didn’t go even halfway — it definitely didn’t look close enough to merit the home plate ump call it on his own. He should’ve checked with the first-base ump. A very small moment, but I think it goes to show how bad the umpiring has been this series.
Are the football fans in the Bay talking about Alex Smith getting chewed out by his head coach. Wonder if Alex is a good dude. Did fans boo him yesterday?
We’ll get to see how ole TRoy’s knees work in the 1st inning, surely somebody on the Giants will test them with a bunt.I say the 2nd baseman does.
Thing is, bunting for a base hit along the 3B side isn’t all that easy. Got to get it past the pitcher and catcher before Glaus even figures into the equation. If he’s in on the grass, it takes a pretty good bunt and good speed to reach safely. You know, unless he turns turtle when he steps off, LOL.
I might be more inclined to be a little pull-happy, figuring I can get it past his lack of range. At worst, I might make the SS have to deliver a long throw from the hole. That could work to the Braves’ advantage, if the Giants take that attitude.
They almost have to try Glaus early, though, just to find out.
It’s easy for us to say it’s OK to be booed like that. But then again, we aren’t the ones on the field feeling that hatred.
Brooks would say that the fans have a right to boo him and that they should after the way he played.
But I don’t know. If it were a jerk out there, like Barry Bonds, I’d be more understanding.
But Brooks is you. He is me. He is the pail carrying working man who finally made it to the bigs, on guts and hard work. Not overly talented, but with a big heart. The poor man’s Pete Rose.
No gloves! Lots of heroics this year!
It won’t take me long to forget the errors this winter.
The umpires need to review a few of “the common courtesies” before play resumes tonight.
Dust off the plate when the catcher catches the ball somewhere he shouldn’t, and remove the bat from the home plate area when a play looms large at home.
I blame Cox for this, as far as Conrad goes just imagine if the poor man got up in the nineth with the bases loaded and struck out, which could have happen.
To say Emmel sucked calling balls and strikes would be way too generous.
I have been very surprised to see this was not covered in the media today.
Conrad was the goat, never mind the offense was getting no hit until the 6th when the PITCHER broke up the no hitter. I said last night that I think Wilson probably only threw about 3 strikes that were actually called a strike. Just a shame really, Huddy could have used that same zone earlier. I saw the same thing in the Rays/Rangers series where Crawford got rung up on a pitch high and outside that wouldn’t even qualify for close. Umps and “their” zones. All I ask is they be consistent. If you call it in the 9th, call it in the 1st.
Got to get it past the pitcher and catcher before Glaus even figures into the equation
That’s true. But that catcher is McCann, and while I love him, he isn’t the best of fielding catchers in the league. That Pitcher is Lowe. Keep him running and he’ll be out of the game even quicker. It may be tough to do, but I bet the Giants will make as much of the opportunity as possible. They did the other night.
I don’t know but watching the strike zone graphic last night he was very inconsistent and, to me anyway, much more generous to the Giants. The bottom of the ninth was pathetic.
I was asking myself if the guy had to different strike zones or just plain damned clueless.
I just wish I knew who this Buster? Posey cat is. I think I overheard them saying something about water and wine. Or was it parting a sea? Anyway I bet he’s gonna be a decent player one day.
Monty, that pitch to Heyward wasn’t anywhere close to a strike. It was easily a foot outside. Horrendous call. That home plate umpire had Eric Gregg disease for much of the game.
I cant help but wonder about Diory. AGon has never had this many at-bats in a season. And since we traded for him I think he got 1 day off, despite his struggles.
How come Bobby never gave AGon more time off, which in turn would have given Diory more experience.
Another issue I have with Bobby is not giving guys (except for Brian) enough time off. Prado was baged up, Glaus was banged up, AGon struggling…you would think Bobby would have given them more time off regardless of what the players said.
What is the over/under for Braves errors tonight? 2?
To all of you defending Bobby’s decsion to keep playing Conrad think about it this way if the manager brings in a relief pitcher 5 times and the guy gets lit up everytime who do you fault when he is brought in the 6th time and gets lit up again.
Okay, so here’s something odd. I’ve attended 17 Braves games in the past 24 months….and the Braves have *never* lost when I’ve attended. Okay, so that’s less than 1% of the 324 games they’ve played in that time period.
But still.
Is that weird?
Anyway, it leads me to this issue…I am thinking of jumping in my car & buying a scalper ticket for tonight. For the win…..I don’t know…..crazy?
If that slider had been in the dirt where it belonged, most likely the blog would have been talking about the great win, great call,and great pitch all night long. Not a bad call in my opinion, just bad execution.
I agree, Wags actually used the same pitch to strike him out after he almost hit a homer foul on his fastball in a save situation in August. In fact, it was almost exactly the same situation, 1 run game, runner on base and Sanchez was inches away from tying it on the foul homerun ball. He then lunges at and strikes out on Billy’s off speed pitch to the opposite side of the plate. Maybe Kimbrel was trying to be to fine with the runner on and avoid the wild pitch and ended up hanging it. At least it wasn’t so bad he hit it for a homer, he hit it back up the middle where the defenders weren’t. A lesser hitter likely still misses that pitch or makes a weak out with it but Sanchez still had enough balance after being fooled to hit it up the middle.
I love Brooks (except yesterday) and what he’s done for the team. pinch-hitting off the bench.
But there has to be a reason he spent 10 yrs. in the minors, and only got a “cup of coffee” before this year. The guy can obviously hit some, and has good power. The reason he didn’t make it the majors sooner had to be he was sub-par defensively–REALLY sub-par.
When a club is looking to call someone up–especially a middle infielder–they need somone who can play defense.
We have a knack in letting other teams celebrate on our field, but I think we pick up the win, if only to allow a greater heartbreak when the Giants beat us on Wednesday in San Fran.
I don’t know what you make a year, but for danged sure I made a boat load of money more than Brooks made in all his years (was it 10 or so?) working up to his callup to the majors.
He has been in a lot of buses riding from town to town in those years. Minor league baseball is not a cake walk.
If I had enough talent to play in the minors, I’d give it a shot too. But, not for the money; for the opportunity to play major league baseball.
Brooks is probably now just barely catching up with me for the past 12 years.
And counting spring training, it’s more like 8+ months. And that doesn’t count any winter ball he might have played. And when I work, sometimes I work some long hard days. During the 6 months of the season, he would normally get a day off about 3 times a month. And is probably traveling during most of those.
Granted, I’d do it to, but don’t kid yourself; it’s not an easy life.
Has Glaus been taking a lot of bunt drills today? I would assume they expect someone in the first inning or two to try and push one over toward him tonight.
Wayne, sorry, I’m not buying it. I have a job… but the job does not define me as a person. If my boss or peers or customers tell me that I had an awful day at my job, I don’t internalize that as an insult to my “goodness” as a father, brother, son, friend, etc. It just means that I had a bad day and I will try to do better the next day. But if I disappoint, then I don’t need sugar-coating, I’m not in a YMCA sports league. And I certainly don’t draw a distinction between a Conrad and a phenom… if either butchers his position during a critical 6-8 game run, fans have a right to voice their displeasure at that performance.
I have to admit to cussing at the tv and Brooks but after some of the boots by all-stars and mvp’s in the Phillies/Reds game, I calmed down and came to my senses. As written, the Braves are not in the post season without Brooks, It is unfortunate that injuries pulled him out of his comfort zone as a great pinch hitter.
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and pover and expecting different results then we as Braves fans must be insane. We watch Cox manage in the post season with his lefty/righty switches and all the other things that make him the “greatest manager of all time” (please give me a break) and we expect to win. Have we not been watching this team underperform in the playoffs for 20 years?
I think we have a great chance to win today.
Unlike before where the key to getting us out was getting the first 4 guys out.
Now our lineup is deep and it puts less pressure on Mac and Lee. They can take their walks , knowing that the person behind them is just as capable of delivering.
I just want to win today and get over yesterdays loss.
As far as bunting and to Glaus and testing him. It would take almost a near perfect bunt to test Glaus.
More often then not its the pitcher or the catcher who fields the bunt and any time a 3B has to charge to make a play then more often then not its a basehit even aganist a gold glove 3B.
To heck with that, LOL. I don’t want him to have to ice his kness BEFORE the darn game.
He’s played the position plenty, so it’s not as if he doesn’t know what to do, and, at this point, he’s probably cognizant of what he can and can’t do over there, physically. Best for him not to think about it too much, and just react to the game.
Wayne, sorry, I’m not buying it. I have a job… but the job does not define me as a person. If my boss or peers or customers tell me that I had an awful day at my job, I don’t internalize that as an insult to my “goodness” as a father, brother, son, friend, etc. It just means that I had a bad day and I will try to do better the next day. But if I disappoint, then I don’t need sugar-coating, I’m not in a YMCA sports league.
Hence the reason we are all different and this blog exists to show how different people look at the same situations with completely different opinions. Good for you that you live your life that way but understand everyone isn’t like you and people don’t perceive and take things the same way. Chipper Jones doesn’t react like Alex Gonzalez, Alex Gonzalez doesn’t react like Jason Heyward, Jason Heyward doesn’t react like Martin Prado. Different folks, different strokes. The sooner you figure that out, the better.
Yeah, surprised Emmel’s not getting lit up, he has been atrocious. Conrad gets all the bad PR when Emmel is having a worse series than Brooks is. I was disappointed and disheartened about Conrad’s play but Emmel’s calls get my riled up to no end. He may be a good man but horrible umpire.
DOB the bigger story is Conrad and the other Braves related stuff but why do you think Emmel gets a pass with the national writers?
I can see it now. We lose 4 in a row next May to drop briefly out of first place. The blog goes nuts!
“Jeez, how stupid could one manager be! Fredi Gonzalez is about as dumb as Bobby Cox was!”
and
“Why in the heck can’t Chipper (new player coach/batting coach) get any of these young guys to quit swinging at balls in the dirt. He totally sucks as a hitting coach!”
Conrad did not lose that game. Cox did. The Giants would be crying today if he had let Kimbrell face Huff. Cox is the one we should be booing. Once again he went with that Lefty-Righty BS, and it cost him. Mike Dunn is horrible. He either walks guys or throws big fat hanging sliders. But in Cox’s mind he’s great because he’s an F’ing lefty. What a joke.
ChoppinmamaDust off the plate when the catcher catches the ball somewhere he shouldn’t, and remove the bat from the home plate area when a play looms large at home.
Yeah…and did you see when BMac got crossed up yesterday (I think Timmy was still pitching)? That looked like it hurt…and him tripping over the bat scared the living crud outta me.
Front page headline San Francisco Chronicle. Giants set modern day record with 8 bunt basehits! We need to relax on the bunting situation. Probably not going to be a issue. Renteria layed down a perfect bunt, doesn’t happen much. Should worry about fielding grounders more than anything.
The umpiring (by Paul Emmel) has been HORRIBLE!! He called Conrad out on strikes when he did NOT swing all the way at a low pitch (actually two…I think he blew two calls in that at bat), but whenever a Giants guy did the same exact thing, he’d ask for help, and the other ump would say no swing.
“Paul…you’re acting stupid…”
And he’s gonna be at third tonight…OK, LH batters, no check swings! (ITS)
Glaus to start at third?
The Giants strategy should be to bunt, bunt, bunt and then bunt some more, up to and including Huff, Burrell (and that Miami Hurricanes team with Huff, Burrell, Bobby Hill, Manny Crespo, German Alvarez, Russ Jacobsen … and Georgia Southern’s No. 1 beat them on the last day of the regular season throwing nothing harder than 75 mph. Unreal.) and Kung Fu Panda. Hell, they should even get Stretch out of retirement to bunt. Dig Mel Ott up and have him bunt too.
I don’t give a crap if Brooks is a good guy or not. He lost the game for the team. He shouldn’t get anymore playing time other than maybe pinch hitting. Let’s have a pity party for the guy…unreal. They’re trying to get to the next round and everyones worried about Brooks’ feelings?? Give me a break.
When the Braves win will you come back on later on tonight and eat your words? Probably not you come back on and gloat about a good win and how were headed to the world series. Annoys me to know end how tools (I call them that because it’s nicer than the alternative Jerry) jump off and on the bandwagon and claim to be fans.
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TennBravesFan
October 11th, 2010
4:15 pm
Actually, I like the line-up. Great song choice DOB.
Playoffs!!!!
October 11th, 2010
4:15 pm
I don’t really have a problem with replacing Kimbrel with Dunn. The BIG mistake was throwing a 2-strike, 2-out slider to Freddy Sanchez when he already showed us he couldn’t catch up to the fastball.
That’s the real blunder yesterday (besides Conrad still being in).
Did McCann call that pitch?? Or did he call a fastball and Kimbrel shook him off.
Anyone??
groundfog
October 11th, 2010
4:16 pm
How do you substitute Mclouth and not Conrad. Typical Bobby ball
The Bream Team
October 11th, 2010
4:16 pm
Bob Brenly played the majority of career in the 80’s at catcher for the San Francisco Giants. I agree with those think the broadcast have been slanted in the direction of the Giants. I was listening yesterday when he criticized Heyward for taking too long to get up after running into the wall.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2010
4:16 pm
Heyward couldn’t have picked a worse time of the season to have his worst stretch as a professional…
7 of last 54 (1 XBH and 18 strikeouts)
SadDawg
October 11th, 2010
4:16 pm
Without Conrad, the Padres win the Wildcard by 4 games.
If Bobby leaves Kimbrell in, we still win.
Wayne in Utah
October 11th, 2010
4:16 pm
DOB
GREAT article! I have felt like all year that I knew guys like Conrad due to your insight. I think a lot of us can learn from Huddy’s words on the subject.
I am just hopeful that we (Braves players, org and fans) can get past this and it won’t require Brooks to be moved this winter to another club. He has been a real hero this year in my humble opinion!
If I were to get two Braves jersey’s today, they’d be #6 and #26.
groundfog
October 11th, 2010
4:17 pm
Mike Dunn blew it first then Conrad and Bobbhy are equally to blame..imo
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2010
4:17 pm
Kimbrell didn’t shake him off that I can recall…
monty
October 11th, 2010
4:17 pm
We’ll get to see how ole TRoy’s knees work in the 1st inning, surely somebody on the Giants will test them with a bunt.I say the 2nd baseman does.
monty
October 11th, 2010
4:19 pm
“If Bobby leaves Kimbrell in, we still win”
Hypothetically speaking of course.
Frankie Wren
October 11th, 2010
4:19 pm
Rufus-order the man some flowers, he will appreciate it. Just to say I’m sorry.
Kat
October 11th, 2010
4:19 pm
Giants Lineup:
Torres cf, F Sanchez 2b, Huff 1b, Posey c, Burrell lf, Uribe ss, Fontenot 3b, Ross rf, Bumgarner p
Mets Stink
October 11th, 2010
4:20 pm
I like Conrad, but I’m glad he’s not in there tonight. If the Braves have the lead going into the last few innings then hopefully Bobby will put Diory in there and get Glaus out.
Novice Ned
October 11th, 2010
4:21 pm
Geez, that read like an obituary of sorts. I’m sure that he will land with Dayton Moore as their DH next season.
hazel chopper
October 11th, 2010
4:22 pm
really really classy article. i booed him heartily last night, and i feel positively awful about it right now. i will cheer him tonight in the unlikely event he gets a chance….
david
October 11th, 2010
4:22 pm
boy, i sure am glad conrad is a nice guy. that’s gonna make feel a lot better about failing to advance to the next round. just as long as he’s a “good dude.”
in america, it doesn’t matter how bad you are at your job, as long as your nice while doing it.
chris
October 11th, 2010
4:22 pm
civilized white trash- your right. kimbrel has been by far the best pitcher out of the pen in over a month. he has completely filthy stuff while most hitters dont seem to have a chance against him, and still….bobby takes him out for a lefty-lefty matchup, without even to mention that huff hits better against lefties. bobby flat out didnt give the braves the best CHANCE of winning. and that is what managers are suppose to do. bobby is a great clubhouse guy and most managers do not have that characteristic that he has, but man, cox is flat out horrible at making decisions during the game.
Mets Stink
October 11th, 2010
4:23 pm
Oh and I agree with others, I’d have left Kimbrell in there against Huff. If he reached, then I’d have brought in Moylan. How about saving Venters until the end of the game for once. If you need to save a lefty for the ninth inning then I’d rather have him in there over Dunn. Let Dunn pitch the 6th or 7th.
monty
October 11th, 2010
4:23 pm
Looking for a big game from the Braves tonight! I say blowout!
reckingball
October 11th, 2010
4:23 pm
Conrad is a good player and should not be booed by Braves fans.
After the trouble he has had in the field the last several games, I found it almost unbelievable, that any MLB manager would have started him in yesterday’s game.
No, he should have been used off of the bench, if needed.
The loss yesterday lies squarely on the shoulders of the Braves manager.
The buck stops at Cox.
LPad
October 11th, 2010
4:24 pm
Still don’t understand this “Brooks is a good guy” DOB. Why exactly does that matter? Bad things happen to good people?
Of course the team is sticking up for him because that’s what teammates do. But only thing that makes him a good guy from this article is that he a career minor leaguer. He’s a career minor league 2B/3B. The team isn’t asking him to do anything he can’t do.
Please stop with he’s a good guy. Unless, he’s getting death threats or something. He’s no different than any other player. He has to get over it and move on, but no one should feel sorry for him. It happens.
southern hope
October 11th, 2010
4:24 pm
thank you DOB. Seriously.
monty
October 11th, 2010
4:25 pm
Mets stink-”How about saving Venters until the end of the game for once”.
Never were more truer words spoken.
T for Texas
October 11th, 2010
4:25 pm
who cares if he’s a good dude. what matters is if he can do his job.
Maybe people should remember that his job is to pinch hit, and be a backup-backup infielder. Seems to me he has done his “job” just fine this season. Dude isn’t supposed to hold down an infield position in a playoff hunt.
Bat Masterson
October 11th, 2010
4:25 pm
Wow I didn’t even notice the Heyward thing. iChop2249 (formerly wonder2249)
To say Emmel sucked calling balls and strikes would be way too generous.
iChop2249 (formerly wonder2249)
October 11th, 2010
4:25 pm
P-Town Brave ©
Yeah but Kimbrel is a rookie. McCann is not.
But oh well, whats done is done.
Train Wreck Bystander
October 11th, 2010
4:27 pm
It can only get better for Conrad. Here’s hoping he gets a chance off the bench tonight for redemption. The guy deserves a better fate than Bill Buckner.
Oh, and the obvious choice for songs to lead off the blog would have been “Running on Empty” – if it hasn’t already been used.
T for Texas
October 11th, 2010
4:28 pm
To say Emmel sucked calling balls and strikes would be way too generous.
I have been very surprised to see this was not covered in the media today.
Frankie Wren
October 11th, 2010
4:29 pm
T for Texas- back up infielders also called into starting role when needed. Guy had a really good season and happy for him. Also, looks like a Little Leaguer now and deserves criticism directed towards him. He is back where he should be tonight. Hope he has a pinch hit and redeems himself.
Wayne in Utah
October 11th, 2010
4:30 pm
Bat
I wonder if Emmel is that bad, or does he have some sort of thing for the Braves?
The play at first in game 2 could have gone either way, but the ball/strike calling last night and the miss at second in game 1 are inexcuseable.
I sure hope these guys lose some sort of bonus or something like that if they stink it up in the playoffs.
With the money and importance of these games, Bud needs to pull his head out of his azz and get this thing rectified BEFORE the start of the NLCS and ALCS. Why wait till next year?
Novice Ned
October 11th, 2010
4:30 pm
If you can’t boo errors made in an epic proportion, then I guess you simply can’t boo. Because even the player who makes the most bone-headed plays is loved by someone in the world. It is very, very doubtful that fans are booing the person (the father, son, brother, friend, human, etc) , they are booing the performance/player. Likewise, fans are investing their fleeting disposable income to watch an excellent sports performance from the player, not the best (and futile) efforts of a great person on a baseball diamond.
DP
October 11th, 2010
4:30 pm
“If I’m Bobby Cox, I don’t think you could possibly have played Conrad tonight, for the player’s sake or the team’s sake.”
I don’t see how Bobby Cox started Conrad at the beginning of this series after his errors in the last regular season series against the Phillies. As DOB accurately described this depleted Braves squad: “a team that has to take advantage of its opportunities and not give away many outs if it has any hope of advancing beyond the first round”. The Giants have great pitching and don’t score many runs so Cox had to figure it would be a low scoring series and put a good defensive lineup on the field.
“If Cox doesn’t have enough faith in inexperienced Diory Hernandez to start him at second or third base, then yes, you must bite the bullet and put Glaus and his bad knees over at 3B, or Hinske, who doesn’t have mobility he had when he played the position years ago, but should be able to make the routine plays.”
If Cox doesn’t have enough faith in Hernandez to use him as 9th inning defensive replacement for a guy who has made 8 errors in 7 games or to use him tonight instead of a guy whose knees are shot and has played a handful of games at 3rd in the last 2 years, why did he put Hernandez on the 25 man playoff roster?
I have plenty of sympathy for Brooks Conrad, a lot less for Bobby Cox. It was evident to anybody with a brain that Conrad’s confidence in the field was shot before this series even started and yet Bobby kept sending him back out there. Cox is great at sticking up for his players and getting them to play hard for 162 games, but as a tactician he stinks.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2010
4:31 pm
Yes, but why are McCann, Cadahia, and Cox getting off scot free in all of this?!
McCann called the pitches, Cadahia positioned Gonzalez improperly, just as he has all year long with the infielders, and Cox made a dumb decision in the 9th, and compounded that with leaving Conrad out there…
Why is there no blame from the reporters and blog writers and what not for these guys?
IF Mac keeps calling the fastball, Sanchez either strikes out or pops up
IF Cadahia positions the infield to the slider Kimbrell threw, its an easy force out on that weak grounder
IF Cox takes out Conrad after 6 and leaves Kimbrell in, one way or another…
GAME, SET, MATCH, BRAVES WIN.
Choppinmama
October 11th, 2010
4:32 pm
I’m just hoping Mrs. Brooks Conrad has a psychology degree and was able to put it to good use last night at home to talk Brooks down from whatever emotional precipice he was perched on.
That Hinkske homer was a thing of beauty.
A new game tonight, yet another chance for us to get it 100% right. Our LAST CHANCE, but a chance nonetheless.
monty
October 11th, 2010
4:33 pm
If Jason Heyward acts surprised when a borderline pitch on the outside corner is called for a strike tonight he needs to be sent to his room.Come on Jason grow up, this is where real stars shine!
Bat Masterson
October 11th, 2010
4:33 pm
If that slider had been in the dirt where it belonged, most likely the blog would have been talking about the great win, great call,and great pitch all night long. Not a bad call in my opinion, just bad execution.
Daybed Wagmoe
October 11th, 2010
4:33 pm
iChop2249 — yeah, I didn’t notice that one either. It wasn’t Paul Emmel working the plate that night though — he’s the one that blew the Posey steal at 2nd base that night.
However, it was Paul Emmel who said that Brooks Conrad went down swinging on a check swing last night, when it looked like Conrad didn’t go even halfway — it definitely didn’t look close enough to merit the home plate ump call it on his own. He should’ve checked with the first-base ump. A very small moment, but I think it goes to show how bad the umpiring has been this series.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2010
4:34 pm
Wayne-
Haven’t you figured out…there is no accountability or consequences on the umpires…
IF there were any whatsoever, guys like Hohn and Rapuano just to name a couple wouldn’t still be in baseball.
Frankie Wren
October 11th, 2010
4:34 pm
Are the football fans in the Bay talking about Alex Smith getting chewed out by his head coach. Wonder if Alex is a good dude. Did fans boo him yesterday?
ncscoots
October 11th, 2010
4:34 pm
We’ll get to see how ole TRoy’s knees work in the 1st inning, surely somebody on the Giants will test them with a bunt.I say the 2nd baseman does.
Thing is, bunting for a base hit along the 3B side isn’t all that easy. Got to get it past the pitcher and catcher before Glaus even figures into the equation. If he’s in on the grass, it takes a pretty good bunt and good speed to reach safely. You know, unless he turns turtle when he steps off, LOL.
I might be more inclined to be a little pull-happy, figuring I can get it past his lack of range. At worst, I might make the SS have to deliver a long throw from the hole. That could work to the Braves’ advantage, if the Giants take that attitude.
They almost have to try Glaus early, though, just to find out.
C's
October 11th, 2010
4:34 pm
Don’t sweat it Brooks……..
He who spends time regretting the past loses the present and risks the future. -Quevedo
Wayne in Utah
October 11th, 2010
4:36 pm
Novice Ned
It’s easy for us to say it’s OK to be booed like that. But then again, we aren’t the ones on the field feeling that hatred.
Brooks would say that the fans have a right to boo him and that they should after the way he played.
But I don’t know. If it were a jerk out there, like Barry Bonds, I’d be more understanding.
But Brooks is you. He is me. He is the pail carrying working man who finally made it to the bigs, on guts and hard work. Not overly talented, but with a big heart. The poor man’s Pete Rose.
No gloves! Lots of heroics this year!
It won’t take me long to forget the errors this winter.
Choppinmama
October 11th, 2010
4:36 pm
The umpires need to review a few of “the common courtesies” before play resumes tonight.
Dust off the plate when the catcher catches the ball somewhere he shouldn’t, and remove the bat from the home plate area when a play looms large at home.
Buster and Brian would appreciate both gestures.
Warhead
October 11th, 2010
4:36 pm
Emmel is the Brooks Conrad of umpires …
Sorry, Brooksie.
PDOG
October 11th, 2010
4:37 pm
I blame Cox for this, as far as Conrad goes just imagine if the poor man got up in the nineth with the bases loaded and struck out, which could have happen.
Jake W.
October 11th, 2010
4:37 pm
To say Emmel sucked calling balls and strikes would be way too generous.
I have been very surprised to see this was not covered in the media today.
Conrad was the goat, never mind the offense was getting no hit until the 6th when the PITCHER broke up the no hitter. I said last night that I think Wilson probably only threw about 3 strikes that were actually called a strike. Just a shame really, Huddy could have used that same zone earlier. I saw the same thing in the Rays/Rangers series where Crawford got rung up on a pitch high and outside that wouldn’t even qualify for close. Umps and “their” zones. All I ask is they be consistent. If you call it in the 9th, call it in the 1st.
TennesseePaul
October 11th, 2010
4:39 pm
Got to get it past the pitcher and catcher before Glaus even figures into the equation
That’s true. But that catcher is McCann, and while I love him, he isn’t the best of fielding catchers in the league. That Pitcher is Lowe. Keep him running and he’ll be out of the game even quicker. It may be tough to do, but I bet the Giants will make as much of the opportunity as possible. They did the other night.
NO MORE BOBBY
October 11th, 2010
4:39 pm
Blog Rule #1 – WIN AS A TEAM — LOSE AS BOBBY COX
Ha Ha!!
david
October 11th, 2010
4:40 pm
“But Brooks is you. He is me. He is the pail carrying working man who finally made it to the bigs, on guts and hard work.”
Yes, I know I get to work 6 months out of the year for a minimum wage of $400,000 to play baseball. Who doesn’t do that?
Bat Masterson
October 11th, 2010
4:40 pm
Wayne and T_
I don’t know but watching the strike zone graphic last night he was very inconsistent and, to me anyway, much more generous to the Giants. The bottom of the ninth was pathetic.
I was asking myself if the guy had to different strike zones or just plain damned clueless.
Playoffs!!!!
October 11th, 2010
4:40 pm
So, in my opinion, if McCann had kept calling for the ‘fastball”, Sanchez would have struck out or grounded out weakly. Game. Braves win!
NO BUNTING!!
October 11th, 2010
4:42 pm
I just wish I knew who this Buster? Posey cat is. I think I overheard them saying something about water and wine. Or was it parting a sea? Anyway I bet he’s gonna be a decent player one day.
ncscoots
October 11th, 2010
4:42 pm
That Pitcher is Lowe. Keep him running [after bunts] and he’ll be out of the game even quicker.
Yeah, but a bunch of bunts would keep his pitch count down, LOL.
Sweet Daddy
October 11th, 2010
4:42 pm
Monty, that pitch to Heyward wasn’t anywhere close to a strike. It was easily a foot outside. Horrendous call. That home plate umpire had Eric Gregg disease for much of the game.
Gary O
October 11th, 2010
4:42 pm
I cant help but wonder about Diory. AGon has never had this many at-bats in a season. And since we traded for him I think he got 1 day off, despite his struggles.
How come Bobby never gave AGon more time off, which in turn would have given Diory more experience.
Another issue I have with Bobby is not giving guys (except for Brian) enough time off. Prado was baged up, Glaus was banged up, AGon struggling…you would think Bobby would have given them more time off regardless of what the players said.
What is the over/under for Braves errors tonight? 2?
meh
October 11th, 2010
4:43 pm
Glaus is gonna be flashing leather all over the place tonight. And Conrad’s gonna hit a pinch hit homer. you just watch and see. GO BRAVES!!!
PDOG
October 11th, 2010
4:43 pm
To all of you defending Bobby’s decsion to keep playing Conrad think about it this way if the manager brings in a relief pitcher 5 times and the guy gets lit up everytime who do you fault when he is brought in the 6th time and gets lit up again.
southern hope
October 11th, 2010
4:43 pm
Okay, so here’s something odd. I’ve attended 17 Braves games in the past 24 months….and the Braves have *never* lost when I’ve attended. Okay, so that’s less than 1% of the 324 games they’ve played in that time period.
But still.
Is that weird?
Anyway, it leads me to this issue…I am thinking of jumping in my car & buying a scalper ticket for tonight. For the win…..I don’t know…..crazy?
Jake W.
October 11th, 2010
4:44 pm
If that slider had been in the dirt where it belonged, most likely the blog would have been talking about the great win, great call,and great pitch all night long. Not a bad call in my opinion, just bad execution.
I agree, Wags actually used the same pitch to strike him out after he almost hit a homer foul on his fastball in a save situation in August. In fact, it was almost exactly the same situation, 1 run game, runner on base and Sanchez was inches away from tying it on the foul homerun ball. He then lunges at and strikes out on Billy’s off speed pitch to the opposite side of the plate. Maybe Kimbrel was trying to be to fine with the runner on and avoid the wild pitch and ended up hanging it. At least it wasn’t so bad he hit it for a homer, he hit it back up the middle where the defenders weren’t. A lesser hitter likely still misses that pitch or makes a weak out with it but Sanchez still had enough balance after being fooled to hit it up the middle.
ncscoots
October 11th, 2010
4:44 pm
Anyway, it leads me to this issue…I am thinking of jumping in my car & buying a scalper ticket for tonight. For the win…..I don’t know…..crazy?
Can’t hurt. Buy two, just to be safe.
Dumbfound
October 11th, 2010
4:45 pm
When did glaus hurt his knees ?!?
Playoffs!!!!
October 11th, 2010
4:45 pm
I love Brooks (except yesterday) and what he’s done for the team. pinch-hitting off the bench.
But there has to be a reason he spent 10 yrs. in the minors, and only got a “cup of coffee” before this year. The guy can obviously hit some, and has good power. The reason he didn’t make it the majors sooner had to be he was sub-par defensively–REALLY sub-par.
When a club is looking to call someone up–especially a middle infielder–they need somone who can play defense.
P-Town Brave ©
October 11th, 2010
4:45 pm
We have a knack in letting other teams celebrate on our field, but I think we pick up the win, if only to allow a greater heartbreak when the Giants beat us on Wednesday in San Fran.
Wayne in Utah
October 11th, 2010
4:45 pm
david
I don’t know what you make a year, but for danged sure I made a boat load of money more than Brooks made in all his years (was it 10 or so?) working up to his callup to the majors.
He has been in a lot of buses riding from town to town in those years. Minor league baseball is not a cake walk.
If I had enough talent to play in the minors, I’d give it a shot too. But, not for the money; for the opportunity to play major league baseball.
Brooks is probably now just barely catching up with me for the past 12 years.
And counting spring training, it’s more like 8+ months. And that doesn’t count any winter ball he might have played. And when I work, sometimes I work some long hard days. During the 6 months of the season, he would normally get a day off about 3 times a month. And is probably traveling during most of those.
Granted, I’d do it to, but don’t kid yourself; it’s not an easy life.
PDOG
October 11th, 2010
4:45 pm
ncscoots
As long as the Giants bunt like Conrad and the braves Glaus and Lowe have no problem.
Nick n Nash
October 11th, 2010
4:46 pm
DOB,
Has Glaus been taking a lot of bunt drills today? I would assume they expect someone in the first inning or two to try and push one over toward him tonight.
Novice Ned
October 11th, 2010
4:46 pm
Wayne, sorry, I’m not buying it. I have a job… but the job does not define me as a person. If my boss or peers or customers tell me that I had an awful day at my job, I don’t internalize that as an insult to my “goodness” as a father, brother, son, friend, etc. It just means that I had a bad day and I will try to do better the next day. But if I disappoint, then I don’t need sugar-coating, I’m not in a YMCA sports league. And I certainly don’t draw a distinction between a Conrad and a phenom… if either butchers his position during a critical 6-8 game run, fans have a right to voice their displeasure at that performance.
Playoffs!!!!
October 11th, 2010
4:46 pm
Southern Hope–Don’t buy from a scalper now–real good chance you’ll get scammed. Try Stubhub
Thrillhouse44
October 11th, 2010
4:47 pm
Great piece, DOB. Some much needed perspective. I can’t wait for tonight’s game! Time to turn it around.
snowball's chance
October 11th, 2010
4:48 pm
I have to admit to cussing at the tv and Brooks but after some of the boots by all-stars and mvp’s in the Phillies/Reds game, I calmed down and came to my senses. As written, the Braves are not in the post season without Brooks, It is unfortunate that injuries pulled him out of his comfort zone as a great pinch hitter.
Wayne in Utah
October 11th, 2010
4:48 pm
southern hope
What’s the hold up? Get yer self out there to the park PRONTO!
C's
October 11th, 2010
4:48 pm
Blog Rule #1 – WIN AS A TEAM — LOSE AS BOBBY COX
——————-
ha! Sad but true.
Brooks Conrad
October 11th, 2010
4:51 pm
My wife won’t let me throw my kids up in the air anymore. She’s afraid I’ll drop them.
oldmike
October 11th, 2010
4:51 pm
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and pover and expecting different results then we as Braves fans must be insane. We watch Cox manage in the post season with his lefty/righty switches and all the other things that make him the “greatest manager of all time” (please give me a break) and we expect to win. Have we not been watching this team underperform in the playoffs for 20 years?
veer
October 11th, 2010
4:51 pm
I think we have a great chance to win today.
Unlike before where the key to getting us out was getting the first 4 guys out.
Now our lineup is deep and it puts less pressure on Mac and Lee. They can take their walks , knowing that the person behind them is just as capable of delivering.
I just want to win today and get over yesterdays loss.
As far as bunting and to Glaus and testing him. It would take almost a near perfect bunt to test Glaus.
More often then not its the pitcher or the catcher who fields the bunt and any time a 3B has to charge to make a play then more often then not its a basehit even aganist a gold glove 3B.
ncscoots
October 11th, 2010
4:51 pm
Has Glaus been taking a lot of bunt drills today?
To heck with that, LOL. I don’t want him to have to ice his kness BEFORE the darn game.
He’s played the position plenty, so it’s not as if he doesn’t know what to do, and, at this point, he’s probably cognizant of what he can and can’t do over there, physically. Best for him not to think about it too much, and just react to the game.
Kat
October 11th, 2010
4:52 pm
fyi….At 5pm Hank Aaron will be on MLB Network talking about Cox.
Jake W.
October 11th, 2010
4:52 pm
Wayne, sorry, I’m not buying it. I have a job… but the job does not define me as a person. If my boss or peers or customers tell me that I had an awful day at my job, I don’t internalize that as an insult to my “goodness” as a father, brother, son, friend, etc. It just means that I had a bad day and I will try to do better the next day. But if I disappoint, then I don’t need sugar-coating, I’m not in a YMCA sports league.
Hence the reason we are all different and this blog exists to show how different people look at the same situations with completely different opinions. Good for you that you live your life that way but understand everyone isn’t like you and people don’t perceive and take things the same way. Chipper Jones doesn’t react like Alex Gonzalez, Alex Gonzalez doesn’t react like Jason Heyward, Jason Heyward doesn’t react like Martin Prado. Different folks, different strokes. The sooner you figure that out, the better.
Billy (TBFKB)
October 11th, 2010
4:52 pm
Yeah, surprised Emmel’s not getting lit up, he has been atrocious. Conrad gets all the bad PR when Emmel is having a worse series than Brooks is. I was disappointed and disheartened about Conrad’s play but Emmel’s calls get my riled up to no end. He may be a good man but horrible umpire.
DOB the bigger story is Conrad and the other Braves related stuff but why do you think Emmel gets a pass with the national writers?
Wayne in Utah
October 11th, 2010
4:52 pm
I can see it now. We lose 4 in a row next May to drop briefly out of first place. The blog goes nuts!
“Jeez, how stupid could one manager be! Fredi Gonzalez is about as dumb as Bobby Cox was!”
and
“Why in the heck can’t Chipper (new player coach/batting coach) get any of these young guys to quit swinging at balls in the dirt. He totally sucks as a hitting coach!”
Sopheeee
October 11th, 2010
4:53 pm
southern hope – go for it but use Stubhub as Playoffs!!!! suggested. You can download tix instantly.
I thought I was special for being 3-0 this season when attending games but I don’t got nothin’ on you.
space monkey
October 11th, 2010
4:53 pm
Conrad did not lose that game. Cox did. The Giants would be crying today if he had let Kimbrell face Huff. Cox is the one we should be booing. Once again he went with that Lefty-Righty BS, and it cost him. Mike Dunn is horrible. He either walks guys or throws big fat hanging sliders. But in Cox’s mind he’s great because he’s an F’ing lefty. What a joke.
McFann =Ô= =Ô= o
October 11th, 2010
4:53 pm
Choppinmama Dust off the plate when the catcher catches the ball somewhere he shouldn’t, and remove the bat from the home plate area when a play looms large at home.
Yeah…and did you see when BMac got crossed up yesterday (I think Timmy was still pitching)? That looked like it hurt…and him tripping over the bat scared the living crud outta me.
RM
October 11th, 2010
4:53 pm
With Bobby’s lack of knowledge on using a bull pen, I wonder if he will hold Ankiel out just in case the game goes into extras?
Frankie Wren
October 11th, 2010
4:55 pm
Front page headline San Francisco Chronicle. Giants set modern day record with 8 bunt basehits! We need to relax on the bunting situation. Probably not going to be a issue. Renteria layed down a perfect bunt, doesn’t happen much. Should worry about fielding grounders more than anything.
Sam
October 11th, 2010
4:55 pm
Everybody has a bad outing here and there but this got should have been taken out after 1 error not 3 . What a douche bag!
Wayne in Utah
October 11th, 2010
4:56 pm
veer
So you think this lineup is a lot better huh?
Kinda like rearranging the deck chairs isn’t it? We switch Conrad with Glaus, and our hitting will be cured?
But I do think we score a lot of runs today. We are danged sure due!
space monkey
October 11th, 2010
4:56 pm
We will lose big tonight. I predict at least 6-1. This series ended when Dunn took the mound last night.
McFann =Ô= =Ô= o
October 11th, 2010
4:57 pm
The umpiring (by Paul Emmel) has been HORRIBLE!! He called Conrad out on strikes when he did NOT swing all the way at a low pitch (actually two…I think he blew two calls in that at bat), but whenever a Giants guy did the same exact thing, he’d ask for help, and the other ump would say no swing.
“Paul…you’re acting stupid…”
And he’s gonna be at third tonight…OK, LH batters, no check swings!
(ITS)
Darryl Blackberry
October 11th, 2010
4:57 pm
Troy Glaus with a big hit in today’s game. Count on it.
Unless he gets injured.
(Sorry, couldn’t resist. Go Braves!)
Billy (TBFKB)
October 11th, 2010
4:57 pm
Bet Emmel plays a big role in tonights game.
StingerSplash
October 11th, 2010
4:57 pm
Glaus to start at third?
The Giants strategy should be to bunt, bunt, bunt and then bunt some more, up to and including Huff, Burrell (and that Miami Hurricanes team with Huff, Burrell, Bobby Hill, Manny Crespo, German Alvarez, Russ Jacobsen … and Georgia Southern’s No. 1 beat them on the last day of the regular season throwing nothing harder than 75 mph. Unreal.) and Kung Fu Panda. Hell, they should even get Stretch out of retirement to bunt. Dig Mel Ott up and have him bunt too.
McFann =Ô= =Ô= o
October 11th, 2010
4:58 pm
I should have typed, “OK LH Braves batters”…the Giants will undoubted get the calls.
ncscoots
October 11th, 2010
4:58 pm
Should worry about fielding grounders more than anything
Exactly. Gonzalez will have to cheat around some on righties, probably Infante, too, to cover the middle.
Wayne in Utah
October 11th, 2010
4:58 pm
Soph
3-0!!! What are you doing now? Get on that stub hub and get on out there!
McFann =Ô= =Ô= o
October 11th, 2010
4:59 pm
Billy Bet Emmel plays a big role in tonights game.
Probably.
njbraves
October 11th, 2010
4:59 pm
I don’t give a crap if Brooks is a good guy or not. He lost the game for the team. He shouldn’t get anymore playing time other than maybe pinch hitting. Let’s have a pity party for the guy…unreal. They’re trying to get to the next round and everyones worried about Brooks’ feelings?? Give me a break.
Dumbfound
October 11th, 2010
5:01 pm
mlb tonight on now about the braves…
Billy (TBFKB)
October 11th, 2010
5:01 pm
space monkey,
When the Braves win will you come back on later on tonight and eat your words? Probably not you come back on and gloat about a good win and how were headed to the world series. Annoys me to know end how tools (I call them that because it’s nicer than the alternative Jerry) jump off and on the bandwagon and claim to be fans.