Saito (shoulder) left off Braves’ NLDS roster

SAN FRANCISCO – The Braves’ 25-man roster Thursday for the National League Division Series included a franchise postseason-record seven rookies, but it did not include a valuable 40-year-old setup reliever.

Takashi Saito, recovering from a sore shoulder, was left off the roster along with  injured pitchers Jair Jurrjens (knee), and  left-hander Eric O’Flaherty (illness). It was previously known Jurrjens and O’Flaherty would not be on the NLDS roster, but the Braves had held out hope that Saito might be ready after feeling better in a Wednesday bullpen session in San Francisco.

All three injured pitchers would be possibilities for the next round if the Braves advance past the NLDS, which starts Thursday night against the San Francisco Giants at AT&T Park.

Changes can be made to the playoff roster between rounds of the postseason, and an injured player can also be replaced during a series. However, any player removed from the roster during a series because of injury becomes ineligible for the next round.

The Braves’ NLDS roster includes 11 pitchers, two catchers, seven infielders and five outfielders. Troy Glaus made it as a backup first baseman and pinch-hitter, and the outfielders are Rick Ankiel, Melky Cabrera, Matt Diaz, Jason Heyward and Nate McLouth.

Rookies include infielder Brooks Conrad, outfielder Jason Heyward and pitchers Cristhian Martinez, Mike Dunn, Jonny Venters, Brandon Beachy and Craig Kimbrel.

Saito had a 2.83 ERA in 56 appearances this season, with 69 strikeouts and 17 walks in 54 innings. He ranked sixth among National League relievers in strikeouts per nine innings (11.5) and 10th in lowest opponents’ average (.203).

But Saito, 40, on Wednesday made it clear he didn’t know if he was ready to pitch yet in games. He said that a couple of appearances in the Braves’ Instructional League would probably be more prudent before he’s activated for the National League Championship Series if the Braves advance to the second round of the playoffs.

The Braves went with rookie right-hander Cristhian Martinez in place of Saito.

Saito had a 0.46 ERA with 28 strikeouts and two walks in a stretch of 20 appearances from July 21 to Sept. 17, before a sore shoulder sidelined him for two weeks. When he returned for his last regular-season appearance Saturday against Philadelphia, Saito gave up two hits, two runs and three walks while recording just one out.

Braves NLDS roster:

Pitchers (11): Brandon Beachy (RH), Mike Dunn (LH), Kyle Farnsworth (RH), Tommy Hanson (RH), Tim Hudson (RH), Craig Kimbrel (RH), Derek Lowe (RH), Cristhian Martinez (RH), Peter Moylan (RH), Jonny Venters (LH) and Billy Wagner (LH).

Catchers (2): Brian McCann and David Ross.

Infielders  (7): Brooks Conrad, Troy Glaus, Alex Gonzalez, Diory Hernandez, Eric Hinske, Omar Infante and Derrek Lee.

Outfielders (5): Rick Ankiel, Melky Cabrera, Matt Diaz, Jason Heyward and Nate McLouth

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ben

October 7th, 2010
1:31 pm

Braves Fan Lost in Ohio

October 7th, 2010
1:36 pm

Hope Glaus has been getting a lot of BP, because he sure hasn’t seen much action in games.

Jordan

October 7th, 2010
1:38 pm

I’d rather have Freeman out at the AZ Fall League anyways

http://www.tnspsportsnet.com/category/tnsp-originals/extra-bases/

bulldog bubba

October 7th, 2010
1:39 pm

Freeman being left off is no suprise.Bobby has not given him much of a chance to progress at this level.Will have to rely on a veteran to do their part to get us through this.Maybe D.Lee will get hot now so he will find a job somewhere next year.GO BRAVES!!!!!!

Rawdog

October 7th, 2010
1:41 pm

Beach is a loser who won’t pitch in the playoffs so why even waste a spot with him. Thankfully, that bum Minor isn’t on the roster. Glaus should play third so Conrad can pinch hit off the bench in late innings.

Brett

October 7th, 2010
1:41 pm

That’s a rough looking roster…

Joe

October 7th, 2010
1:41 pm

On paper, that may be the weakest lineup I’ve ever seen for a playoff team.

1eyedJack

October 7th, 2010
1:43 pm

Here’s hoping we won’t need Farnsworth.

Chris

October 7th, 2010
1:43 pm

I think the four days off is just what this team needed. Although it happened right when Lee was getting hot, I think he probably needed it as much as anybody. Hopefully some of these vets will see this as an opportunity to finally get rings. All of the pressure is on the Giants. Not one “expert” has picked the Braves int his series. They are being called the worst of all 8 of the playoff teams. If they relax and play to their real potential, I think they could definitely make some noise. The Giants don’t really scare me anyway. In fact, both teams seem to be identical. Excellent starting pitching, top-tier bullpens, and low scoring offenses. I find this series to be more of a push than the overwhelming giants advantage many see it to be.

PTown Brave

October 7th, 2010
1:44 pm

I count 9 rookies

Chris

October 7th, 2010
1:47 pm

PTown, I count 8. There’s definitely more than 7 though!

phar71

October 7th, 2010
1:53 pm

Man it would be great to pull this one out tonight.

Tech Rules

October 7th, 2010
1:54 pm

Bobby’s not carrying a third catcher! Yea!!!

Kenshin

October 7th, 2010
1:55 pm

Why leave me off roster! My arm fresh as spring flower!

Brent

October 7th, 2010
1:56 pm

Sorry, but that doesn’t look like a playoff caliber roster

Tremaine

October 7th, 2010
1:59 pm

You would think that defense and the game where nobody was hitting Halliday and Freeman comes in and hits a HR would get him on the roster.

Puma

October 7th, 2010
2:00 pm

Gonzalez, McCann, Omar and Heyward need to step it up here in the playoffs. Lee has been swinging it good lately too. I assume Cox will keep McCann in the 3 hole, we need him to start hitting like a 300 hitter again. And if we can get some pop from Gonzalez further down in the order, 6 or 7 I assume, we should be alright. It’s not like SF lineup is scary either. This series is all about pitching, and I feel pretty good about our guys.

Piedmont Blues

October 7th, 2010
2:00 pm

Rawdog,

If Glaus could move more than two steps either to his left or his right (or to the front or the back), he might be in the lineup as a 3B. The fact that he’s opening the series on the bench tells me he can’t.

KSaw

October 7th, 2010
2:01 pm

Rookies are Beachy, Conrad, Dunn, Hernandez, Heyward, Kimbrel, Martinez, Venters. Conrad’s still a rookie by definition, but he’s already played a part of two other seasons, so that may be the confusion there. Diory also had 90+ at-bats

David O'Brien

October 7th, 2010
2:02 pm

Here’s link to roster story. Diory isn’t technically a rookie, or Braves would have eight on roster. As it is, they have franchise postseason-record seven rookies on NLDS roster.

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2010/10/07/saito-shoulder-left-off-braves-nlds-roster/

Puma

October 7th, 2010
2:03 pm

I agree with you entirely Chris, these teams are very similar.

Fish Bisch

October 7th, 2010
2:03 pm

Yeah, where is Kenshin? He was known as the Dragon Slayer last year.

jbird

October 7th, 2010
2:03 pm

Someone’s going to have to pull a Lemmer and go beserk in the Playoffs for us to have a chance.

Brave Hokie

October 7th, 2010
2:04 pm

What illness is STILL afflicting O’Flaherty? ~ sounds like he going Brian’s song…

dean

October 7th, 2010
2:04 pm

“Does not look like a playoff caliber roster.”

Obviously it IS a playoff caliber roster. These are The Playoffs. Whether or not it turns out to be the best or worst of the 4 teams is yet to be seen.

Enjoy the game.

dean

October 7th, 2010
2:05 pm

…best of the 4 NL teams, that is.

Freddie

October 7th, 2010
2:05 pm

Let me play Bobby I’m creamin!!

KSaw

October 7th, 2010
2:09 pm

Looks like Diory reached the second criteria last year when he was on the roster for Yunel and Co.

Determining rookie status:
A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

Jeff Francoeur

October 7th, 2010
2:17 pm

Wouldn’t ya’ll still like to have me???

Swatting pitches on the plate into PERFECT double plays???

Just wait Rangers, yesterday was an anomaly :)

Nut Job

October 7th, 2010
2:17 pm

You are mildly to moderately retarded if you think this…about Beachy and Glaus playing over Conrad.

Rawdog

October 7th, 2010
1:41 pm
Beach is a loser who won’t pitch in the playoffs so why even waste a spot with him. Thankfully, that bum Minor isn’t on the roster. Glaus should play third so Conrad can pinch hit off the bench in late innings.

Bob Cox

October 7th, 2010
2:18 pm

‘Come on Klesko…

DC from Conyers

October 7th, 2010
2:22 pm

Let me get this straight Bobby has McClouth and not Freeman on this roster. Agree with Glaus at third and Conrad coming off bench Late innings. Can someone tell me what the Record is with McClouth in line-up. He wouldn’t be on my double a team. Bobby will coach hisself right out of the play-offs. Where is Francour when you need him.

pumped

October 7th, 2010
2:23 pm

I know we’re hurting but I’m getting pumped for some Braves playoff baseball. This is what you play all year for.

Let’s go! JA-SON HEY-WARD! JA-SON HEY-WARD!

Naboo the Enigma

October 7th, 2010
2:25 pm

Huge Braves fan here, but I’m torn. Of course I want the Braves to win in the post season but does a series win validate Frank Wren’s roster moves? For the life of me I can’t stand him or a majority of his moves. Or is it more of a credit to Bobby’s coaching? Don’t get me wrong here, I almost take it personal when the Braves lose and never wish them a loss but this lineup just looks horrible on paper and at times even worse on TV. Ankiel, Farnsworth, McLouth, Gonzo? Wren is lucky that Lee started hitting. As are we as Braves fans for making the post season I assume but still…

Reality

October 7th, 2010
2:29 pm

I dont see Charlie Leibrandt on this roster, who will be Cox’s go to man in a tight spot in the bullpen?????

Mark McGwire

October 7th, 2010
2:31 pm

Ankiel? SERIOUSLY????

Ed Glennon

October 7th, 2010
2:33 pm

Can Ross play leftfield?

Go Braves!

October 7th, 2010
2:33 pm

Everybody clap your hands!

coachKR

October 7th, 2010
2:35 pm

Freeman can’t play the outfield. We have 3 1st basemen on the team now. Freddie ain’t ready!

nhe

October 7th, 2010
2:36 pm

When you think about it, there is absolutely no reason to keep Ankiel over Freeman. You already have 5 other players who can play the OF – and 2 that can play CF. Freeman at least offers a power threat off the bench, and his upside is far higher than Ankiels.

I at least hope they do the right thing and leave McClouth alone in CF – he has more upside than Melky and Ankiel combined………..and platoon Diaz and Hinske in LF. Melky and Ankiel should not see the starting lineup.

vahidawg

October 7th, 2010
2:37 pm

I’ve never seen a better roster of AAAA players in my life. The only pro’s I see are McCann, Huddy, JHey and maybe Hanson.

Daniel

October 7th, 2010
2:38 pm

I’m still wondering about Diory Hernandez. If I had to guess, I’d say his primary role will be as a pinch runner late in games when we need insurance runs or are down by 1 or 2.

Daniel

October 7th, 2010
2:39 pm

I’ve cooled off to Melky Cabrera over the season. But, if he’s on the roster, I want to see the New York Yankee-Playoff Melky, not the strikeout/double play Melky that has been patrolling the outfield for us this season.

Naboo the Enigma

October 7th, 2010
2:41 pm

vahidawg, Hudson gets no love? Comeback player of the year in the NL. I’m not the biggest Lowe fan but you can’t deny what he’s done in the month of September.

k-dog

October 7th, 2010
2:41 pm

We are in, that’s all that counts. Now let’s wake those bats up!!!
GO BRAVES! GO BOBBY!!!

LAG

October 7th, 2010
2:41 pm

RE: Jeff Francoeur, the announcers mentioned that he had hit .340 since arriving in Arlington. Time will tell if he gets straightened out there.

As far as the claims that this isn’t a playoff roster, well, it’s the best we got. Can’t make trades or sign free agents after the season ends and throw them on the field for the postseason. I wish we had stronger pieces too, but there really weren’t any other choices.

David O'Brien

October 7th, 2010
2:43 pm

When you think about it, there is absolutely no reason to keep Ankiel over Freeman. You already have 5 other players who can play the OF – and 2 that can play CF. Freeman at least offers a power threat off the bench, and his upside is far higher than Ankiels. — nhe

What does “upside” have to do with a five-game postseason series? Personally, I think Freddie’s going to be a very good major league player, but for the life of me I can’t understand how some believe it’s an afront to keep him off the postseason roster at this point. He’s 21, with one month in the bigs, and the kid went 4-for-24 with one homer, one RBI, no walks and eight strikeouts.

What part of that is supposed to cause outrage over the fact he’s not on the postseason roster? What, seven rookies plus Diory (technically not a rookie) is not enough youth on the postseason roster?

jofosho

October 7th, 2010
2:44 pm

i think they should have put hinske on the roster and left heyward off. no offense to him, but we need an outfielder with more experience. Heyward is a liability at this point

Sid Bream

October 7th, 2010
2:50 pm

People seem to forget that we have the golden ticket on our roster. Eric Hinske! Now everybody settle down. We have destiny on our side. Braves are going to the Big Show!

Ted M

October 7th, 2010
2:52 pm

what’s the record for # of rookies on a playoff roster?

Jinx

October 7th, 2010
2:53 pm

What? No Greg Norton?

n

October 7th, 2010
2:56 pm

Naboo — Really? You are a huge Braves fan but you aren’t sure you want the Braves to win because you don’t like Wren. For the record some of us think Wren did a great job. Without Wagner, Glaus (yes), Hudson, Saito, Hinske etc the Braves would not be in the playoffs. Despite losing our best player in Prado and Chipper they made it. Not to mention 2/5 of our starting rotation in JJ and Melden. Imagine if we had those two pitchers and Prado in the lineup. Bad timing on the injuries this year. Go Braves. Will be there game 3 and Game 4

jim

October 7th, 2010
2:56 pm

nhe,

Freeman does not play CF! Ankiel does, and much better than Melky or McLouth. The key to this series is as much keeping the other team from scoring as scoring oneself.

Scott

October 7th, 2010
2:59 pm

Bobby… PLEASE DON’T EVER PUT MCLOUTH AND ANKIEL IN THE GAME TOGETHER!

shadetree

October 7th, 2010
2:59 pm

As I sit on my porch I can begin to remember the many years of watching My Bravos play.

Whether the years of Hank and Rico and Felix and Clete or the Gaylord Perry Ghost pitch with Lasorda coming out just a fussing.
Bill Naharodney getting front page sports news for having not played in the first 50 games of a season. Must of been in Bobby’s doghouse.
I’ve seen Tom House, Rick Mahler, Biff Pocaroba, Eggs Benedict, Earl Williams, Dale Murphy as a cather when his pickoffs to 2nd would fly to the centerfield fence.

A hawk is buzzing overhead and that means news.

Braves in five. Hinske’s been to 3 straight you know.

A new page. Ain’t it great?.

Go Braves!!

lefty fielder

October 7th, 2010
3:00 pm

jofosho . . . there are so many things wrong with what you wrote

Dan Schlossberg

October 7th, 2010
3:02 pm

Would rather have ANYBODY on the roster than Melky Cabrera. He has no power, no speed, and is an extreme liability in the outfield — especially with his throws. The only “advantage” he offers is an ability to switch-hit, but he doesn’t hit with consistency from either side. Where’s Jeff Francoeur now that we really need him? Or Kelly Johnson, whose 25-homer power would be tops on the club.

Rod

October 7th, 2010
3:04 pm

jofosho – are you an idiot? Leave Heyward off the roster?

wjones

October 7th, 2010
3:04 pm

“jofosho

October 7th, 2010
2:44 pm
i think they should have put hinske on the roster and left heyward off. no offense to him, but we need an outfielder with more experience. Heyward is a liability at this point”

Congratulations! Dumbest post of the day! Because

1. Hinske IS on the roster.
2. If you think Hinske is a defensive upgrade over Heyward, you should not watch games with your eyes shut.
3. In what world do you take arguably your best hitter, and a man who has started over 90% of the games in RF during the year, and is healthy, and is productive, and TAKE HIM OFF THE ROSTER? Unbelievable.

Rod

October 7th, 2010
3:05 pm

Dan Schlossberg may have just taken the “Biggest Idiot” award from jofosho. You want Francoeur now?

shadetree

October 7th, 2010
3:06 pm

It would be nice to see Jay-Hey in the 3 hole.

I hope Hinske gets the start tonight

McLouth
Omar
Heyward
Lee
McCann
Gonzo
Hinske
Conrad

We need to scroe 4 runs to win

Naboo the Enigma

October 7th, 2010
3:06 pm

n, reread what i wrote. I never want the Braves to lose, ever. Without Lowe’s late surge to finally earn his sick contract you basically had 33% of this season’s payroll tied up in the following three BUST players: Lowe, McLouth, and Kawakami. 33% dude, no denying that. But if Lowe comes through in the post season and can keep his sinker down then you can take his name of of the bust of a 1/3 of the payroll being completely wasted.

hmmmm......

October 7th, 2010
3:06 pm

If the pitching keeps the games close we got a shot. In short series if one or two hitters get hot they can carry us through a round. The is full of guys that could be unlikely heroes in october

Matty D: Red Man Hunter

October 7th, 2010
3:09 pm

I just hope we don’t trot out a McLouth/Ankiel LF/CF combo against righties. Frankly I don’t think McLouth is even a defensive improvement in left. He has range, but he’s misplayed some balls near the stands and has shown a weak (and indecisive) arm all year. I’d prefer Diaz in left against righties or lefties, but I’d be ok with a Diaz/Hinske platoon too.

Randal Patrick McMurphy

October 7th, 2010
3:12 pm

Brave Hokie @ 2:04pm – “What illness is STILL afflicting O’Flaherty? ~ sounds like he going Brian’s song…”

As a cancer survivor, Sir… that ain’t even funny – no matter how you frame it. Take your Bad Whiskey home with ya, OK?!? Sad… :-/

SG10

October 7th, 2010
3:12 pm

Read this on ESPN:
“The Braves as a team hit .287 against fastballs, tied for second in the National League, but just .216 against offspeed pitches. That gap was the second-largest in the NL this season. Against changeups, Tim Lincecum’s out pitch, the Braves also hit .216, the second-worst mark in the NL. ”

I suppose we know what Braves will be getting tonight…lots of off-speed pitches and that also explains their struggles against Livan who throws ton of those..

chalkdawg4

October 7th, 2010
3:14 pm

I have to work in the am. Going to bed b4 11 and I hope the game is not over by then. I don’t hold out much hope for this bunch. Been a heck of an entertaining year though. Pretty good comments today too. Always good to hear from Kenshin. Now if we could just hear from Sonny Clusters!!!

shadetree

October 7th, 2010
3:15 pm

Lee, McCann and Heyward can all carry the team. Gonzo could if he would quit pouting. Chill dude, have a sunflower seed.

Conrad with one swing can win us a game. Also with one whiff of his glove he can lose us a game too.

To score one run we have to have 3 consecutive or close to consecutive hits, walks, errors, hit batsman or dropped 3rd strike in a row.

RISP and LOB

Stanley Crowe

October 7th, 2010
3:16 pm

Brent: “Does not look like a playoff caliber roster.”

Dean: “Obviously it IS a playoff caliber roster. These are The Playoffs. Whether or not it turns out to be the best or worst of the 4 teams is yet to be seen.”

I love it. Logically, of course, Dean’s right on the money. By definition, it’s a playoff roster. I share Brent’s concerns, but I keep in mind a point that Jeff made in an earlier blog about a Cardinals team that even now reads like a team of no-names and yet still won the World Series. As I remember, that team scraped into the playoffs about six or seven games over .500. Let’s hope that we’re all revitalized by the four-day rest and the adrenalin of the situation. I won’t be surprised if Lowe, Glaus, and Hinske play well — they’ve all been here before and have excelled. Anyway — it’s been a great season for a scrappy bunch! Let’s just play hard and enjoy it.

Daniel

October 7th, 2010
3:17 pm

Hey shadetree, I like your lineup. Actually, that’s a lineup I’d be really comfortable with. As we all know, however, J-Hey won’t be hitting 3rd.

Braves Fan Since "80

October 7th, 2010
3:19 pm

Some people have strange thoughts about a team and the playoff roster……. If the braves had prado, chipper D Lee, Infante Conrad….. I would take Freeman over Glaus………. but we do not so Glaus

Conrad has to have a great playoff run to be back with the Braves…. he was leaking oil down the stretch…….. The Braves second half defense was terrible…….. but Infante was better, Prado was better…….. Gonzales and chipper, yes chipper before he was hurt melted and our pitchers were bad,

UGA alumni

October 7th, 2010
3:19 pm

C’Mon folks….quit complaining….The Braves are what the Braves are. We have to cheer them on no matter who is out there. If you are not happy with Frank Wren’s moves don’t be mad at him, be mad at Liberty. It is all about payroll. You think wren would love to have the $140 million payroll of the Phils or Mets, or the $200 million payroll of the Yankees. anybody can put together a good team with that $$$. what could wren do with an extra 50 million? for the naysayers, BUY A CLUE, shut up and cheer on the Braves…

Randal Patrick McMurphy

October 7th, 2010
3:20 pm

@shadetree – everyone of these Little Leaguers have kicked the ball around all year, to lay that blame at Conrad’s feet is just silly. If these guys don’t use their cement hands and heads, we might actually have something to cheer about…

clay

October 7th, 2010
3:21 pm

Even when the braves make the playoffs. people still arent happy. If your not then go write on the Phillies blog since halladay through a no hitter and since they are supposed to win it all. Me on the other hand, I am a true braves fan that doesnt bash and realized that they play 162 games for a reason. They got in and how many times have you heard. Anything can happen in the playoffs. You mine as well take every stat and throw it out the window. I believe in the braves. They have proven all year that they are in the game until the 27th out is recorded. I think we will get atleast 2 walk offs in this postseason by 2 diff players. We just need to get to that NLCS where ANYTHING is possible. GO BRAVES!!!

3 Dimes Down

October 7th, 2010
3:25 pm

Naboo – You did say you were torn.

Also, if the Braves advance in the postseason how does that not validate Wren’s moves? It would obviously not validate every move he ever made but he would certainly deserve some kudos for putting together a roster that was deep enough to lose a hall-of fame 3rd baseman, the starting 2nd baseman in the all-star game, 40% of your starting rotation, and one of your top set-up men and still not only make the postseason but advance at least to the NLCS.

As it stands now I think everyone in the orginazation deserves a “well done” and that affirmation would only get stronger the further we go.

Braves Fan Since "80

October 7th, 2010
3:26 pm

shlossberg…. you a funny man….. The Yanks wanted Melky on the roster…..just sayin. Melky and ankiel have the best arms……… Melky is stronger but not as accurate as Rick’s. Heyward is abive average…… Mclouth and Matt throw puff balls

Matty D: Red Man Hunter

October 7th, 2010
3:28 pm

DOB,
When do you think lineup will be announced?

MiaBchBravesFan

October 7th, 2010
3:31 pm

While no one can blame Frank Wren for injuries (Chipper, Prado), Wren can be blamed for two straight seasons of squandering excellent pitching by relying on the prayer method as it relates to the construction of the one-to-eight lineup.

It is a little over 6.5 hours before game time, but if you are a betting man, you do not put down a penny for this lineup. Forget the trades for Ankiel and Gonzalez for just one moment. We all know the Javy Vazquez trade was a salary dump, but garnered Melky Cabrera, who was characterized at the time as “a fourth outfielder” by Wren and the Braves’ brass at the time of the trade.

Well, we knew Heyward was going to start in RF and McLouth in CF. Who was Wren planning on placing in LF? The same blind faith reliance Wren had two years ago when he insisted on an OF that included a Francoeur in total decline, an injury prone Chipper, and a mucilage in LF that included Garrett Anderson in steep decline, was repeated again this season:

-Post PED’s Glaus, and the Black Hole at 1B
-a LF combo of Diaz-Hinske (who is NOT an OF)-Cabrera
-a McLouth who fell off the earth
-a punchless Chipper – regardless of his OBP
-a role-playing McCann who should never catch more than 120-130 games or hit higher than fifth
-and a head case in Escobar, who had to be traded

If Wren has proven nothing else, he does not know one thing about hitting. All his non-pitching moves have been a disaster. Compounding this were his signings – Lowe & KK – and the debacle that was the McLouth trade.

Those three transactions alone have completely destroyed any payroll flexibility the Braves would’ve have needed these past two years, as those three contracts alone take up ONE-THIRD of the Braves annual payroll; the impact will also be felt next in 2011, as we are on the hook for these three for over $30 million! Yes, the fact that KK has been mediocre, that McLouth has been a disaster, and that Lowe has only provided ONE MONTH of the kind of pitching that justifies his extravagant salary, are faults that I lay at the feet of Frank Wren. He is to blame for the putrid nature of this lineup.

If the Braves catch lightning in a bottle and go deep into this playoff, it will be a function of the Cox Factor, and nothing more. Frank Wren is NOT the heir to the genius of JS; four years of having wasted $360 million on inept trades and signings shows that he is not far removed from the destruction he wreaked in Baltimore.

Wren’s gotta go.

Braves Fan Since "80

October 7th, 2010
3:31 pm

This is not a complaint…….. we have the worse position players and before injuries we were bad…. Chipper is a has been, we were actually better after he went down…. Gonzo has advanced three or four runners……..

Why has management not provided fans more!

Naboo the Enigma

October 7th, 2010
3:33 pm

Sorry, points well taken. Is there a way the Braves can win and Frank Wren lose? Maybe I should have worded it that way.

It’s also a fairly good assumption that not tying so much money up in Kawakami and McLouth could have brought in a solid outfielder who can RAKE. That very well could have given us the division and home field advantage. It’s food for thought is all I’m saying…

AZBravoFan

October 7th, 2010
3:34 pm

Can’t complain about Beachy and Martinez. If those guys get into a game in this series then we’re already in trouble. Either we’re way behind early, or we’re deep in extra-innings and the pen is spent.

southern hope

October 7th, 2010
3:36 pm

Shadetree, I’ll keep an eye out for hawks as well..

btw, as a kid,I always liked Christmas Eve better than the day itself…..because CE was full of possibles….and Christmas Day itself was reality. And that’s how these pre-Playoff hours feel…who’s to say that Lowe won’t pitch the 3rd perfect game in post=season history…..

Naboo the Enigma

October 7th, 2010
3:38 pm

and to you MiaBch, excellent post sir

MiaBchBravesFan

October 7th, 2010
3:39 pm

Hey, I’ll settle for seven innings of Lowe pitching five-hit shutout ball. Venters, Kimbrell, and Wagner will take care of the rest.

Stasch

October 7th, 2010
3:39 pm

Is Freddie even eligable for post season, he was never on the 25 man roster before Sept 31?

Freeman

October 7th, 2010
3:39 pm

Freeman couldn’t be a part of the postseason roster because he wasn’t called up prior to the roster being expanded on September first. But even if he was available, you don’t take Freeman over a Hinske who has World Series experience and provides left handed power off the bench. And you don’t take Freeman over a veteran like Glaus either due to his power off the bench from the right side. Ankiel is on the roster due to his defensive capabilities – as is McLouth, although McLouth has slowly started to turn the tide. Melky is a switch-hitting OF. So there you have it.

MiaBchBravesFan

October 7th, 2010
3:43 pm

Stasch: he was, but Bobby wisely chose to not put him on the roster. You alreay have three 1B – Lee, Glaus, and Hinske; Freeman’s time is not now.

REALITY

October 7th, 2010
3:44 pm

THE BRAVES HAVE JUST AS MANY HITS AS THE REDS. AND THEY HAVEN’T EVEN PLAYED YET. DOES THAT MEAN THE REDS ARENT PLAYOFF CALIBER EITHER???

Braves Fan Since "80

October 7th, 2010
3:44 pm

MiaBchBravesFan …. some will say you are not a fan, some will say you complain……. some will say we made the playoffs, what more do you want? I agree with you….. I like these players but they are not likable because they are great…… Anyone of the 3 Players being overpaid can be explained…. KK a new demographic, McOuut….the whole in center, and we know the fact that we bidded high to get a pitcher after being rejected…. you know the pitcher we could not trade…

The fact is each one of these situations existed because of management mistakes……. we had no back-up center fielder after going with a rookie? Stayed with Smoltz and resigned glavine, led to the pitching decline……. We deserve a better product on the field

rc35

October 7th, 2010
3:49 pm

Is there any chance that, with midterms coming up, that Ankiel and Farnsworth will be declared academically ineligible? Oh, right…wrong sport.

Chad Miller

October 7th, 2010
3:51 pm

DOB,

I really wish that Bobby would start Matt Diaz tonight. He start sunday and got 3 hits and they all were against righties i do believe( i.e. i could be wrong but he is a good hitter and needs to be in the lineup)

Why have McLouth on the roster when he didn’t even make our regular season roster until rosters expanded again. I know hit good for a little bit but we can’t count on him and everyone knows that. I know Ankiel and Cabera are not much better but still I mean it just really makes me frustrated cause I know Bobby is going to start him in left.

Braves Fan Since "80

October 7th, 2010
3:53 pm

I just want the Braves to be playing when Midnight madness starts

Darryl Blackberry

October 7th, 2010
3:53 pm

Not using Freeman is perfectly understandable in this series. However, if the Braves advance and one of their underachieving outfielders embarrasses himself (not unlikely), I hope they’ll consider a swap on the roster with FF in the LCS.

bruce mac

October 7th, 2010
3:56 pm

Did Vahidawg just say that Wagner and Infante are not pros? Do you people even watch baseball or just read about it on occassion? DUH!!

Brave Hokie

October 7th, 2010
4:00 pm

@Randal Patrick McMurphy

Lighten up & glad you are a cancer survivor…

Wondering how a 20 some Y-old can be sick for half of the season?

Seriously, it there something serious no one knows about?

Not that HIPAA doesn’t state its none of our business.

JonnyVenter'sLeftArm

October 7th, 2010
4:10 pm

I was watching the preview of the Twins-Yanks series on MLB network when they showed a clip from last year and a NY outfielder who loafed over to the LF line and let the ball glance off his glove…guess who that was? Our lovable Melk-dud, of course.

juice sourcer

October 7th, 2010
4:12 pm

As much as I hate to say it, this line up simply has no chance…none…outside of a miracle.

Robert

October 7th, 2010
4:22 pm

Does ayone believe in Karma? How about those years when the Braves were the best in Baseball? The best pitching, the best hitting, the best record, the best all around team in Baseball, does anyone remember, losing in the short series or the league series by an inferior team for what ever reason? Does anyone remember Eric Greg and his strike zone that was 3 feet wide? If there are Baseball Gods, I believe it is our turn.

southern hope

October 7th, 2010
4:23 pm

One good thing about the Rays being creamed (for the 2nd game in a row), we’re bound to look better than them….at this rate, they’re 3 & done.

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