4:20 pm September 29, 2010, by David O'Brien
September 30th, 20105:49 pm
Very interesting numbers. Can’t argue with that. I do, however, think there’s more to a leadoff guy than just SB’s (like I mentioned).
I’ll end with this… if it were up to me, and he were affordable, I’d sign Crawford to play LF and bat leadoff for the Braves. Having a guy like him hitting at the top of the order allows the team to put guys in slots that better suit their abilities, and I really, truly do think he would be a guy that would make things happen for the offense.
He won’t be affordable, so it’s a moot point, but he’d be my prime target this offseason, not a guy who is going to hit 25 or 30 homers but strikes out over 150 times in a season. I don’t see that guy helping make this club more competitive.
September 30th, 20105:51 pm
If Chipper were healthy and Freeman hits at even 75% of his potential, well, that’s a scary lineup to face.
Ray Parker Jr.
September 30th, 20105:53 pm
Is Saturday or Sunday sold out yet? Just curious if anyone in Atlanta still cares about Bobby.
September 30th, 20105:56 pm
Stolen bases again? Really? the teams with the most stolen bases are spread all up and down through the standings.Not that much correlation between them and wins. Team speed is good, SB are ok if there are other assets in the lineup too.
September 30th, 20105:58 pm
Just curious if anyone in Atlanta still cares about Bobby.
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 20106:00 pm
I don’t think anybody here would disagree with you that a guy like Crawford would look good leading off just about any lineup in baseball, including the Braves.
To get a guy like that, you gotta develop him or trade for him before he gets unaffordable.
We have a guy that was looking like that sort of player, but he broke his hand a year and a half ago. We also have a poor mans Crawford in Nate McLouth. I think that 25-30 HR guy would help a lot more than you think.
It would keep McCann out of the 4 slot, and also put the lineup in a good situation.
25-30 HR guy
I think king Felix should win AL CY young. Lead the league in innings pitched, ERA and strikeouts is awesome. If his team gave him any run support, he wins 20 games easily.
And I think buster posey deserves ROY
September 30th, 20106:01 pm
I LOVE Todd Snider.Saw him in Birmingham, didn’t know anything about him before the concert. He blew me away.
September 30th, 20106:02 pm
If anybody has a ticket, I’d try to get to ATL for the Saturday game!
Knew it had to happen before too long – the annual acquire Coco Crisp drive. Pretty soon we’ll be hearing a push for everyone from Rocco Baldelli to Lord Knows who else – just like there was a push several years ago for Nate McLouth.
September 30th, 20106:03 pm
Yeah, but can Snider play left field and hit 25-30 dingers???
But WTF – There’s always Xavier Nady, right?
McNate was ok during Sept
Ray, did you see the note about standing room only tickets being on sale? That’s a sellout by almost any standard you want to use.
September 30th, 20106:04 pm
Don’t we just love all these “Grass Is Always Greener” players?
September 30th, 20106:05 pm
noleeeee-Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for March, April, May, June, July or August.
The Arizona Garden Lizards have rolled over and taken it like a jailhouse punk against the Gints.
September 30th, 20106:06 pm
I’m thinking that the Braves might have to hang onto the Melk-Dude as insurance for McLouth next year. Too bad Freel has hung them up, huh.
If they don’t have a backup plan for McLouth, who do you go to if he falls on his face again? Matt Young?
Of course, all this is a mute point if the Braves get another CF’er over the winter.
The only place that Cox is not esteemed in on internet boards which are infamous for being populated by folks who need to rant and cast blame. what is said here by such has little relation to reality
September 30th, 20106:08 pm
You guys can’t really beleive that your going to win, do you??????
Lew, I thought it was always about “what have you done for me lately” on here, and lately he was ok. Good odds that he will have an above average season in 11 to regress to his previous mean
September 30th, 20106:10 pm
I want the Braves in the post season, any way I can get it; but wouldn’t it be nice to see them take 2 or 3 from the Phillies and go in strong. Not have to worry about the Padres or the Giants.
September 30th, 20106:12 pm
noleeee-What he’s done for us lately> How about 5-28 with at least two infield singles.
Ever watch the original Mad TV with their little segment about the dating site Lowered Expectations?
Thinking that .275 illusion he’s put up in September is good is just another case of lowered expectations. He’ll have to put up those numbers for an entire month (at the very least) before I’m even thinking he’s back.
September 30th, 20106:13 pm
nolie and Lew
Nate has truly sucked this year, except for a good finish in September. The glass half full guy in me thinks that with his salary and with our needs, old smilin Frank pencils him into CF to start next spring.
I’m hoping that our phenom from 2009 gets his hand healthy and gets a chance to show what he really has. I’m not buying all the HGH hype with him. I could be wrong, but I am hoping he has a strong 2011 in AAA and gets a call up sometime in the summer.
September 30th, 20106:14 pm
And even with his “resurgence”, I still haven’t seen him make a decent throw from the outfield.
See, I was right, the blog is stuck in the roid era. Chicks, and denzins of MIB love the long ball.
Someone tell me, what is the Braves record when scoring 3 or more runs? How about 4 or more runs? Pretty darn good right? And how is the team’s OBP? Pretty good too huh? Then why score 2 more runs a game by manufacturing them?
How many times do we have a leadoff double and strand him, then score a few more runs later in the game and come up short? Yes, SB are spread out amongst teams throughout the standings. You’re right, but how many of those teams have pitching and bullpens such as ours?
And, it’s not just about hitting and running, stealing bases etc…It’s about getting hitters that know how to handle a bat – that in a specific situation, try and get a base hit to RF, and if you don’t get that hit, well at least you move the runner over, then the next guy can look to drive the ball or hit a fly ball to bring that runner home.
If you don’t think scoring 1 or more runs a game that way would better this team, then you’re wrong. Time and time again we have stranded runners this year because of our reluctance to play for a run or our inability to score that 1 run. We’re the worst in baseball at it, look at the stats. And, that just leads to tiring out the bullpen when we do have leads.
It’s funny how we play this way now, when we must win, and how teams play this way in the postseason. And it’s even more funny how when we do make an attempt to play small ball, we end up hitting more long balls. Do you guys ever see that correlation?
September 30th, 20106:16 pm
If we could get 260/340/440 from Nate next year, with 20 dingers, I’d be satisfied.
Wayne – I have little doubt that with what Nate is owed, that he’ll have every opportunity to make the team playing everyday next year. I’m not holding my breath to turn a nice shade of Deep Purple thinking there will be improvement. Much of this season looks like he completely forgot how to play ball.
I wish him the best, but……..there’s that breath thing again.
September 30th, 20106:17 pm
Giants won tonight 4-1.
Sounds like the free agency hot-stove might not be as exciting as it usually is. This from ESPN:
In addition, teams, players and agents will be restricted in their ability to conduct free-agent negotiations in the media.
A person familiar with those details said they will be prohibited from publicly disclosing the value and length of offers before an agreement, and they may not publicly speculate on the terms of offers or a free-agent’s value. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because those details were not released.
They might find a way to leak out details, but a little tentatively, perhaps.
Wayne -Yes, that would be a definite improvement.
you plat for one run, thats usually the most that you get. stats show that teams that strand the most rnners tend to score the most runs, and that a high percentage of games are won by the runs scored in one inning. Screw small ball, PEDs or not.
September 30th, 20106:18 pm
Yeah – Rules and Laws are never, nor can they ever be circumvented.
September 30th, 20106:20 pm
I’d play small ball in the last 2-3 innings, if I needed a single run to go ahead. Otherwise, I don’t like giving up outs.
September 30th, 20106:23 pm
sure sometimes in specific situations it is appropriate, but to make it a serious part of your offensive approach on a regular basis is folly
September 30th, 20106:24 pm
Somebody needs to do a Google search on “mute point.”
“The person spoke on condition of anonymity because those details were not released.”
Does anybody else find the irony that a story about a new “rule” to help contract information from leaking….. was LEAKED?
I think the Braves should get a humidor for when the visiting team is hitting………… Good strategy!
September 30th, 20106:25 pm
Braves were doing pretty well with the high on base approach until they lost several of the players who were instrumental to that approach and had to replace them with outmakers all up and down the lineup like Ankiel, Gonzalez etc
Brave4life- We almost had it
September 30th, 20106:26 pm
If the Giants win tomorrow, there best players will rest for the remaining part of the series
Buster Posey needs to be in that Giants Lineup
September 30th, 20106:29 pm
It’s a crime shame that some of you smart Georgian’s have to hurt my feelings. I just get on her to chew the fact with my buddies, and some looser comes on and hurts my feeliing.
Your and idiot!
September 30th, 20106:30 pm
and don’t go ripping on my Clem(p)son edumacation either!
September 30th, 20106:31 pm
That’s not true Nolee. That’s why we acquired Gonzalez and Ankiel.
Dang, Wayne. I don’t even have to say anything else. You make my point for me. Good day.
“your leadoff hitter stealing bases doesnt necessarily help you score more.”
True. But having a leadoff hitter that is fast enough to steal 35+ bases, should mean a few extra runs along the way on singles where a slower runner would be held up or a double with said fast runner at 1B. (see Mac getting gunned down the other night).
We shouldn’t have to argue on the importance that a handful of “timely” extra runs might mean to a team with a 1.5 game lead on a playoff spot with 3 games to play.
Provided the guys with speed can actually get on base, there is no denying that speed is a bad thing.
Stolen Bases = Overrated.
Raw Speed = Priceless.
September 30th, 20106:33 pm
Someone needs to do a google search and realize it’s “moot point.”
“… no denying that speed is a bad thing.”
Meant to say, “no denying that speed is a GOOD thing. Unless we’re talking about the street drug “speed”… but I wasn’t.
September 30th, 20106:34 pm
I think guys like Mac, Prado, Heyward, etc having a drop off in September hasn’t helped either…..
But agreed the OBP served us well this season.
September 30th, 20106:35 pm
Even at that time, DOB had a blog on how bad the Braves were with the bases loaded. How statically, they were the worst in baseball in scoring in that situation, had the most DP’s, but had the most opportunities and runs scored. The question was, how much better could the offense be if we were capable of scoring those runners?
The same question persists. And it’s gone beyond bases loaded. In fact, in runner on 3rd, less than 2 out situations, we’re the worst in the NL when I researched the numbers the other night, despite the most runs and most opportunities. Can you imagine scoring those runners? Increasing on the 35 sac flys we’ve hit this year (4th worse in the NL?).
“moot”… always reminds me of the old SNL skit with Jessie Jackson…
“THE QUESTION…. IS MOOT!!”
September 30th, 20106:36 pm
Unless we’re talking about the street drug “speed”
“Street drug”? I thought we were talking baseball… greenies.
September 30th, 20106:40 pm
Don’t ya just love bloggisms! Kinda like having a secret decoder ring. Or being a member of the “He-Man Wumen Haters Klub”
I’m not sold on Nate. He’s an undersized guy that uses 1/5 of the field. The area from the RF to the RF line. He upper cuts-pulls-and swings too hard. Would I like to have the guy who played for the Pirates a couple of years ago? Sure, who wouldn’t. I don’t forsee that guy making it back. He went to Minor league and worked on a different approach and it helped temproraily. Now it seems he’s back to his bad habits.If Nate were to cut down on his swing and try hitting linedrives to left center he might have a chance. But I think it’s hard to change a baseball swing just like a golf swing. Plus it wouldn’t help his power,but it would help his avg. Plus I just hate his inability to throw the baseball. Just give me 35-40 doubles, a .280 avg. and 20-25 SB and I’d be happy.
September 30th, 20106:44 pm
Its saying on MLBTR that Javy V. isn’t going to recieve arb from the Yankees and that he should sign a contract somewhere in the ballpark of 4 M. If thats the case the Braves should jump all over that!
Wayne in Ut Same fat bald stupid SOB,know nothing bs post.
You will always be on hold…
September 30th, 20106:46 pm
This team could NOT go wrong with Carl Crawford.
I would throw whatever it takes at him to get him.
I would cut ties with Melky. I would keep Diaz/Hinske as a left field platoon. I would keep Natey until his contract runs out to fill the role Melky fills now, 4th/5th outfielder.
September 30th, 20106:50 pm
As long as we’re spending somebody else’s money, lets get Cliff Lee too!
September 30th, 20106:51 pm
I think I just pooped my pants……..
@sportsmandh, aah, carl crawford is a leftfielder. the braves will not take hinskey or diaz over crawford !
September 30th, 20106:53 pm
Wayne, sounds good. I would like to spend someone else’s money, it seems someone else is always spending mine. Been there?
September 30th, 20106:54 pm
idk, maybe I’m over-reacting. We’re down to the wire and guys seem more focused now. I’m happy with the way we played Florida. Could perfect that by not stranding a few leadoff doubles, but looking forward to next year, we have to get better in situational hitting. Yes, that means hitting, running, and hitting and running, in every sense of the words.
I loved the high OBP approach this year, but if we can translate more of those into runs (let’s face it, we’re not gonna get a high HR hitter), then we need more foot speed and guys to do their jobs at putting the ball in play effectively, in a way that moves runners effectively so they can score either via a hit, or without a hit.
September 30th, 20106:55 pm
What would give anybody the impression that the Braves would be in the market for a top dollar free agent this winter? Just curious. Did I miss something from Frank Wren?
September 30th, 20106:56 pm
Every frickin day!
September 30th, 20106:57 pm
How about a Mclouth and Kawakami deal for Carlos Beltran? Mets would kick in a little money.
2011 Earnings per player: (per Cot’s)
So, that’s a little over 13 million combined for McLouth and Kawakami; Mets kick in 3 or so million ( which I think they would seeing as how Beltran isn’t under best terms with ownership and the Mets already have a CF in Pagan. We get a motivated Beltran in a contract year after a full offseason of rest (if he doesn’t play winterball). Mets could keep McLouth and Kawakami or trade each if they pay a little of those contracts. My point is, it’s a kind of salary dump. Unwanted/blocked players whose contracts are close and it’s actually a good deal for Mets who would have to eat a lot more of Beltran’s contract if they look somewhere else. What do you people think?
September 30th, 20107:00 pm
That would work, but I have my doubts the Mets would send Beltran packing. Would they be better off with McLouth and KK or with Beltran, since what you’re proposing is not really a salary dump.
Or would they do something similar for Jason Bay?
September 30th, 20107:01 pm
So the salary issue would be a mute point, huh!
Crawford can play center. But you are right he’s always been predominantly left. He may be open to playing center though. He may have played more center if the Rays didn’t have Upton.
Regardless, if he wanted to play left, and I knew I could sign him before I had to make a decision on other guys, then I’d sign him no matter what. He’s a gamer, not a bad character guy, and in his prime, still only 29. He’s a guy I think you couldn’t go wrong and risk making a big mistake by spending too much money. Since the Braves have so many of their guys already under control (Hanson, Heyward, Hudson, Jurrjens, Freeman, Venters, Kimbrel) for at least a couple more seasons or arbitration years, then Chipper coming off the books at some point, maybe even sooner than later, I think Crawford could be worth every penny.
And if I could get Crawford, and it meant deciding on having to cut a couple other guys to make the payroll, even some key guys like Diaz, O’Flaherty, or some role guys that make sizable money, then I would let them go.
September 30th, 20107:05 pm
I don’t want Carlos Beltran. He will play less games than Chipper has the last few years (pre knee injury).
The Braves will have money to spend. I don’t know if it would be enough for Crawford, but you don’t have to look real far for some payroll to start adding up. Glaus, Melky, probably Wagner and Saito both will be gone. Those 4 guys, or even if Wagner or Saito one stay, add up to sizable money right off the bat. Probably 10 mil or so. Also, they only have one year due to Kawakami. He is 7 mil, but he will be off the books after one more season. And who knows what happens with Chipper. Regardless he’s off the books after 2 years. Crawford is going to want a long term deal. So 14 mil off the books would go a long way toward a good long term offer for him.
September 30th, 20107:06 pm
I don’t think Muffie appreciates our awesome bloggisms.
September 30th, 20107:07 pm
They’re an acquired taste
Frank Wren went the FA route when he desperately needed pitching two years ago. The Braves have preferred developing their own talent, and FW has shown more restraint than John Schuerholz did in making rash moves to improve the team.
I just don’t see FW overpaying on the FA market, when he has a lot of pitching talent to deal from.
What you’re saying is more of a Yankees, Bosox, Mets, Cubs type move.
I just don’t see it happening.
September 30th, 20107:08 pm
That was a foe paw on her(?) part.
September 30th, 20107:09 pm
And we do invite females who love baseball into the He-Man Wuman Haters Klub too!
It’s a crime shame
Also if you did not have Diaz or Hinske back, that adds in probably 3 or maybe even up to 4 mil off the books next year. I think they’ll try to resign one of those guys at least though.
I think you have to look hard at keeping Diaz since the team is so short on good right hand hitting. However, they’re probably stuck with Natey, so who knows what the outfield is going to look like outside of him and Heyward.
September 30th, 20107:10 pm
I guess she thinks we’re loosers. Well, she thinks Wayne is a looser.
If you don’t like bloggisms, you are a looser!
September 30th, 20107:11 pm
September 30th, 20107:12 pm
Nobody more looser than me, Soph!
Jinx, Wayne. It’s okay though, Muffie’s gone so mute point now.
Have there been any woose sightings lately?
September 30th, 20107:14 pm
I don’t doubt Wren would try to deal some young pitching for an outfield bat. But also, he is blind if he doesn’t know the achilles heal is the offense. Two years in a row the offense has completely dried up in Sept, just this year looks like they’re going to barely be able to overcome the offensive shortcoming. I know Wren’s not blind. So they will be foolish to at not least look at Crawford if they think the money might be there.
The other train of thought would be to not sign any pitching, rely on the young guys to come up and take over in a couple years when Jurrjens arbitration years are up and Lowe and Hudson are gone. Don’t trade any of them and spend the money on Crawford.
Ooh, that’s a new one for me. Woose as in wuss?
September 30th, 20107:15 pm
Yeah…we figured it was a mix between a moose and a walrus
September 30th, 20107:19 pm
Wayne, If they wan’t Beltran to play right and he doesn’t want then it could lead to a sour mood in the clubhouse. From what I’ve read, Minaya and Manuel will both be gone so alot of it would depend on who the new mananger and GM are. If it is someone who wants to go with youth (which the Mets have in Thole, Davis, Tejada, Niese (sp?),etc. then I think they will look to move Beltan, and possibly Reyes. I mentioned the deal as a possibility because the contracts are close and the Met’s would be hard pressed to find a better deal money wise.
I would pass on Bay, though I don’t think they’ll try to move him. All this time out with a concussion? Looks bad. And at 16 million a year, way too risky.
September 30th, 20107:23 pm
The Braves are not going to sign Crawford, so forget about it. He will get close to $20 million a year and there is no chance the Braves will pay that much.
September 30th, 20107:25 pm
My guess is Crawford gets 15-18 million per year for 4-5 years. If you want to dream, please go ahead. I just don’t see it happening for a mid market team w/ a 90 million dollar payroll already.
But go ahead and dream on if you want to.
I love to speculate on moves, but I try to keep it real most of the time. I haven’t seen anything to make me think the Braves will enter the sweepstakes. They might make an offer, but I can guarantee it won’t be competitive.
I personally think he is worth about 10 million per year. But time will tell.
Gotta run folks. A good friend’s 25 year old OD’d a few nights ago. Got a viewing to go to tonight. Sad, really…..
Catch ya on the flip side.
(and I think jeffrey is the biggest “woose” on the blog, combo moose and walrus)
September 30th, 20107:30 pm
I can’t see the Braves being players for any major free agents this offseason….
September 30th, 20107:31 pm
What about Jason Werth..? Could the Braves sign him and put him in left…?
September 30th, 20107:32 pm
If someone gives Crawford 20 mil a year they would be fools.
September 30th, 20107:35 pm
C’mon, Garland! Choke on it like we know you can!!!
September 30th, 20107:41 pm
Excellent story on Billy Wagner by Michael Bamberger in this week’s Sports Illustrated: http://bit.ly/9gytBo
September 30th, 20107:42 pm
is the cubs padres game on wgn?
September 30th, 20107:43 pm
video of D. Lee on his trade to Braves back right after it occured
September 30th, 20107:53 pm
Of course we need a big bat, that’s a given..however the next need is a speedster that can get on base and cause havoc. Those types of guys change the tempo of the game and cause the pitcher to spend too much time on them than the batter. Pitching should be fine, bull pen excellent, bench awesome.. We are really close just need two piece’s to the puzzle. don’t sell the farm, it’s not necessary.
September 30th, 2010
September 30th, 20107:58 pm
I will dream all I want. B/c it’s not as far fetched as you think. I don’t think Crawford will get 20 mil. I think the 15 – 18 range is realistic. It’s ridiculous to say the Braves wouldn’t give him that when Chipper makes 14, Lowe makes 15, for example.
Let’s run it down again
Wagner – 6.75 mil
Saito – 3.2 mil
Melky – 3.1 mil
Glaus/Lee – 4 mill (~ combined is my estimate)
Diaz possibly – 2.5 mil
O’Flaherty possibly – 0.5 mil
These numbers aren’t exact, but that’s ballpark mil that could be off the books, regardless of what goes on with Chipper. That is 17 million for the guys listed. If you add in Diaz and EOF it is 20. Don’t tell me they won’t have money to spend. Some guys will get raises (JJ) but some want b/c they’re already under contract (McCann, Ross, Hudson, Lowe, Gonzalez). I’m not gonna speculate on KK or McClouth, I think they’re sunk costs.
1) 1b Freeman
2) 1b/of Hinske (if they resign)
3) c McCann
4) c Ross
5) rf Heyward
6) of Crawford
7) of McClouth
9) 2b/3b Prado
10) if/of Infante
11) 3b/2b Conrad
12) someone else (maybe Diory Hernandez)
13) Chipper ??
14) P Hudson
15) P Hanson
16) P Lowe
17) P JJ
18) P Minor/Beachy
19) rp Moylan
20) rp Kimbrel
21) rp Venters
22) rp Dunn
23) rp Martinez
24) rp someone else (I would use Medlin here when he returns 2nd half)
25) rp someone else (Hyde or Marek)
So you can see from this rundown, Crawford is not a pipe dream.
If they have Chipper, my lineup would go:
September 30th, 20108:06 pm
RC, the D-backs reason of wanting to trade Reynolds is that right now they have a payroll of 75 million, and next year it needs to be 50-60 million.
Krasovic hears that the D’Backs considered offering Mark Reynolds to the A’s for Kevin Kouzmanoff and Vin Mazzaro before Kevin Towers took over as the team’s GM.
They considered trading a guy 1 year removed from a 40 homerun season for a guy that was designated for assignment in Kouzmanoff and a right handed pitcher with a high ERA that tops at 93mph…..
And Reynolds has had a terrible year no doubt, an average under 200, 207 strikeouts….He really struggled with a bunch of nagging injuries including wrist, and back issues, so what I want to say is that if the D-backs seriously considered trading Reynolds for Kouzmanoff and Vin Mazzaro they have to be the stupidest I know….Even with all of that Reynolds hit 32 homers drove in 84 and had an OPS over 750.
Now I’m saying the Braves should take advantage of that stupidity. Obviously the offer I posted was a joke, no way the D-Backs are interested in that, but the fact that they were considering the A’s deal means it’s that Mark Reynolds trade value is very low.
For Uggla on the other hand, he is having a career year, and Atlanta is in the same division as Florida, so if the Braves trade for Uggla they’ll ask for the farm, and Uggla is one year away from FA.
September 30th, 20108:10 pm
Now we all know first hand Kevin Towers is a son of b1tch. He was the GM in San Diego with the Peavy talks with ATL. He was asking for Tommy Hanson, Yunel Escobar(when he was still wanted) + 2 others in exchange for Peavy
September 30th, 20108:14 pm
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