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Nova Scotia Steve
September 30th, 2010
11:18 am
Ease – Blasphemous, I tell you…pure blasphemy!
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
11:19 am
“But in Chipper’s case, he’s not getting paid 14 million bucks to bat 3rd and draw walks.”
Amen.
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
11:19 am
Miami Beach
I think the post season roster can be changed between series. So if we took JJ and left off the others (just an example, not necessarily what I think will happen) and he proves to be unable to answer the call then we could sub back Beachy or Minor for him in the second series.
Same with the relievers.
I sure hope O’Flaherty can go! He is money. And Saito would be awesome if he can throw.
HuffBraves
September 30th, 2010
11:21 am
Though our magic number is 3, it will actually only take TWO Braves wins this weekend to clinch the wild card, and ONE to clinch at least a 1-game playoff.
Even if the Giants and Padres both win today, that puts SF at 91 wins and SD at 89. There are four possible outcomes in their series this weekend:
SF sweeps: SF finishes with 94 wins, SD finishes with 89.
SF wins 2: SF finishes with 93 wins, SD finishes with 90.
SD wins 2: SF finishes with 92 wins, SD finishes with 91.
SD sweeps: SF finishes with 91 wins, SD finishes with 92.
So even in the worst case scenario (SD wins at least 2 games), the BEST the second-place NL West team can do is finish with 91 wins. The Braves are at 90. So two more wins and we win the wild card.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:21 am
Heavy Medlen -Why would you want to trade Lowe? Dude has won 31 games and pitched damned close to 400 Innings the past two years for us. He’s come up HUGE for us down the stretch when we were struggling (particularly with starting pitching).
We’re losing considerable salary next year with Wagner, Saito, Glaus and several others (maybe Melky and Diaz) leaving. We have a great farm system loaded with tons of pitching coveted by other teams to trade for what we need.
We just saw that Medlen went down. We saw Jurrjens go through several injuries this year and two rookies anchoring our rotation. Why would you even consider trading a 16 game winner? Makes absolutely no sense at all.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:26 am
Wayne-They also drafted Joe Leonard, a 3B from Pitt, with some power potential. He won the Big East MVP this year.
coach joe
September 30th, 2010
11:26 am
Best home record in baseball.. Bobby’s tribute week-end..No way we don’t win at least two games and a sweep is possible. Wiith the way Lowe is pitching and with Huddy and Hansen, I like our chances.
Phillies-Braves winner going to the show. Can’t get any better that that. Bobby- mgr of the year Wren- GM of the year.. Its our year
Go Braves.
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
11:26 am
C’mon Lew, you know we need to sell high so we can go out on the FA market and get an OVERPAID outfielder instead of keeping our OVERPAID pitcher who is a big gamer.
Actually, we’d have to sell low (take on some salary) so we could add even more salary.
Why don’t folks see this fallacy?
You almost always overpay on the FA market, unless you are going for unproven players.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
11:27 am
The mistake managers make is when they fall too in love with experience at the expense of optimal end-of-season health and productivity.
The youngsters are getting OJT these last few weeks, experiencing the lows and very recent highs of a playoff run. If I am Bobby, I live and die with the seven relievers I mentioned before. I like Beachy A LOT; that said, he is better served on the bench, in the dugout, soaking up the playoff vibe for future reference. Frankly, Beachy is not someone I want in my bullpen when I have the other seven – who have done relief the entire season. Minor is a spent shell; he needs to get into a top-notch conditioning program because he is #4 next year, with Beachy at #5.
This winter, a JJ package will get that YOUNG LF power bat we need – like a downing man needs a lifesaver.
Gary O
September 30th, 2010
11:28 am
Frankie Wren,
To clarify, my thinking is we trade Lowe this offseason (especially if he pitches well in the playoffs). At 2 years, $30 mil, somebody might take him, if we take their unwanted offensive player.
And then I would have Huddy, Hanson, JJ and Javy, with Beachy or Minor in the fifth spot.
N8,
Managers have to know their players will say they are fine. Glaus said he was fine, and Bobby kept trotting him out there for the entire July and August.
Schafer said he was fine, and he played for almost 2 months. Heyward never complained about his thumb, although his numbers took a dive. That’s what players do.
Managers should know better, especially when the numbers and production of those players are not what they used to be.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
11:29 am
By the way, yes, Wayne. From NLDS to NLCS to WS, a team can change, swap, and adjust its roster.
Frankie Wren
September 30th, 2010
11:29 am
D Lowe September fact-
30 innings pitched, 29 strikeouts.
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
11:29 am
Would Ken Williams be crazy enough to deal Carlos Quentin this winter?? What does he need badly that we have?
Lew: Thanks for the info on Leonard. Had forgotten about him. And I think we picked up some flashy SS also this year, but can’t recall his name.
I suspect if Gonzo has another decent year next year, we’ll offer him a good 2 year deal to stick around while some of these youngsters develop.
LTBF
September 30th, 2010
11:29 am
Nice win yesterday, but don’t count chicks till they hatch. Phills will be tough even though they have nothing to play for.
Gary O
September 30th, 2010
11:31 am
Lew,
Although Lowe will give us 200 innings and 15 wins a year, $15 mil is a lot to pay for his numbers.
And for a financially strapped team like the Braves, where our offense has been very inconsistent, trading Lowe would give us a better chance at upgrading our offense.
Mikeyc588
September 30th, 2010
11:31 am
N8 –
I’m not saying the Braves won’t ever trade JJ. I’m just saying it will NOT be this offseason. Medlen won’t be back before September of next year even in a best-case scenario. So that leaves us with what going into next season? Hudson, Lowe, Hanson, JJ and…Minor? Kawakami? Beachy? So if you lose Jurrjens you’re telling me you’d be happy with Beachy and Minor and perhaps Kawakami in the rotation all season long? I’m sure Minor is tired, but he’s been getting shelled lately. And I like what I’ve seen from Beachy but this is his first time up in the big leagues. Vizcaino/Delgado/Teheran are amazing prospects, but aren’t ready to give you 150+ innings in the big leagues in 2011. JJ WILL be a part of the 2011 rotation. Beyond that, I cannot say.
Heavy Medlen
September 30th, 2010
11:33 am
Lew,
Derek Lowe had a 4.67 ERA last season, the highest on the staff I beleive, to go along with his 15 million dollar salary, also a staff high. This year, he has been great in September, I will grant you that, but has been average the rest of the way. I know you are smarter than somebody who just relies on win totals and looks at nothing else. He has been fortunate to receive tremendous run support. What if he received the run support Tommy Hanson got this season? He hasn’t been a miserable bust, but doesn’t pitch nearly like a 15 million dollar pitcher.
So I was suggesting that since he has restored some of his value, this offseason would be the time to unload him. I also assumed he had 1 year left, although I think he could still be moved with 2. In fact, having him in the rotation for 2 more seasons might actually serve as a detriment as he may be dead weight holding someone down in 2012.
If you consider Troy Glaus and Saito to be “considerable” salary, then so be it, I can’t teach you math. It’s not, though.
11 million dollars, before dropping those guys, is a much bigger splash, especially if you were able to interchange him with a guy who received Cy Young votes for us last year and thrives in the NL.
And you injury point doesnt have merit because I am suggesting we exchange a durable, 200 inning pitcher with a durable, 200 inning pitcher. So, Medlen and Jair are really irrelevent here.
But I appreciate you taking the time to respond in such a snarky fashion.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:33 am
Wayne-Good points, but if nothing else, we’ve had some difficulties with the health of our rotation this year. I see Jurrjens as a huge question mark for 2011 and we’ve already lost Medlen (in any appreciable role) for the entire 2011 season. We have another starter with less than two full years at this level and we have two rookies with less than two months MLB experience (damned near combined) and people want to trade dependable pitching because they make a bit more than everyone else who all make more than normal humans?
We don’t have a huge payroll now and are still competing for the 2nd best record in the NL. Next year won’t be any different if Lowe isn’t traded. Positions will still be filled and we’ll still contend – if for not other reason than what Nathan says – That bullpen is golden.
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
11:33 am
I just don’t see the logic in dealing Lowe. He is everything we need in a pitcher for the middle of the order. With Huddy and Hanson, we could potentially march through the playoffs with those guys. There always seems to be a lot of extra days off during the playoffs. Maybe 3 guys will get it done.
And we only deal JJ for a guy like Kemp in LA, but I really doubt something like that happening.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:34 am
And there will still be complaints no matter what player is brought in for whatever position. Someone will always gripe.
Hell, don will need a new soapbox.
.566
September 30th, 2010
11:35 am
31 more hours until baseball?
Enough already…..lets go!
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
11:35 am
While I still think we grossly overpaid for Lowe – and that is still Frank Wren’s fault – if bone chips have affected his optimal performance the past two years, then a quick elbow cleanup will give us a new pitcher next season. No one will take Lowe at his advanced age with $30 million on the hook.
That said, if he comes back healthy next year, he should be a better asset than he has been the past two seasons. Don’t get me wrong, if another team is stupid enough to take him and his contract, I do that in a New York minute. I would then re-sign innings eater Javy Vazquez as my number three, and use that save money to get two 30/.300/100 bats to back up a pitching rotation of Hudson, Hanson, Vazquez, Minor, and Beachy, as well as a bullpen that will be the envy of the league.
haggardeeee
September 30th, 2010
11:35 am
Lew
Agree here on Lowe. He may have been knocked around a bit here on the blog due mostly to the large salary. But, go out and see how many other pitchers can be penciled in for 15 wins a year and–as you mentioned–all those innings pitched.. Plus–this year he’s shaved over half a run off his ERA. His turnaround is also a reason for Roger McDowell to be recognized
LTBF
September 30th, 2010
11:35 am
Rock on
Talking about strange. The Braves have not made the playoffs since this blog has been in existence. Don’t know why that entered my mind. No idea whatsoever but I did have a dream about DOB playing guitar last night at the Buckhead Theatre with some old 80’s hair band. Maybe that was it.
Maybe we should stop blogging and close it down. I would like a post season.
DAP
September 30th, 2010
11:36 am
wayne Who else is out there with real potential? What positions do these guys translate to?
well….
Amateurs please do not trouble yourself with a response………
oh…nevermind.
“who are the prospects” instead of “what is the prospects”
speaking of amateurs. heh :- )
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:37 am
Heavy -Yeah Dude, teach me math.
Saito is making $3.3 million this year and Wags is making $6.75 million. That’s over ten mil, so yeah, you must be right. No money coming our way when they leave.
bascogcjs
September 30th, 2010
11:37 am
I don’t understand some of the clowns who bash Chip Carey.
I find him to be pretty good. He comes up with a lot of appropriate
phrases in my opinion.
I’d also like to see how some of you critics would sound as announcers. I’m sure it wouldn’t be pretty.
And for those of you who loved Boog; I, personally got sick of his
lame questions to Joe every five minutes about Joe’s opinion.
It was like Boog constantly was trying to make Joe feel important because he was a former big leaguer. (so called big leaguer.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:39 am
Non tendering Melky adds another $3 mil ($5 mil if he goes to arb) and non tendering Matt Diaz saves another $2. something mil). Glaus saves almost another two mil, etc.
No, we won’t have any resources and trading Lowe and weakening our rotation is definitley the ony way to go.
LTBF
September 30th, 2010
11:41 am
DO NOT TRADE LOWE
DAP
September 30th, 2010
11:41 am
murph, i never heard from you again after my response your definition of a lead off hitter. whyd you run off yesterday?
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:42 am
LTBF-Don’t worry – only And Idiot would do so and Frank Wren ain’t And Idiot.
.566
September 30th, 2010
11:44 am
I like Chip Carey….and Boog. Chip wears it on his sleeve, the exuberance and his “sulk-mode.”
No problem with that.
LTBF
September 30th, 2010
11:44 am
Right Lew, how are you doing on rehab now that cast is off?
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
11:45 am
It’s bad enough that we have to keep McLouth next year, who will (hopefully) be the most expensive fourth OF in the MLB. Melky and Diaz must go. Two-thirds of the OF needs an enema. We need to trade for a TOP LF and CF with power. The nickle-and-dime waste of Glaus-Hinske-Diaz-Melky must go. Every penny counts.
Frankly, I don’t think Wren is up to the task.
Frankie Wren
September 30th, 2010
11:45 am
Lowe getting a year older and 2 years left on the contract would make Wren’s job similar to this offseason IF he tried to deal him. Lowe will be a Brave next year. I don’t mind the contract, it’s that 4th year that always bothered me. Reality is he had to do it or Lowe’s probably pitching for the Mets.
Frankie Wren
September 30th, 2010
11:46 am
Say what you will about Chip, gotta like his homerun calls. Track, wall, ………
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
11:47 am
If you needed a guy like Lowe, what would you give for him? Would you trade a prospective LF’er with some punch and pick up all 30 million owed to him?
I don’t think so.
To get somebody to take him at full salary, you would get nothing usable in return.
So to get anything at all you’d have to give up salary.
So let’s assume you send 10 million along with him. Now, just add that 5 million per year to whomever you get to replace him. Lets say you get JV for 7 million per year (I doubt he is had for less); then now you can say you paid about 12 million for him (adding in the 5 from Lowe).
Is DLowe at 15 better than JV at 12? In my world, he is a known. His salary isn’t killing us, since FW is NOT going the expensive FA route to fill his outfield needs anyway.
I really think all this talk about dealing Lowe is not realistic.
Just sayin……….
Gary O
September 30th, 2010
11:47 am
If I was confident that the Lowe of next season would the the Lowe of this September, I would not consider trading him.
But what happens if next year, he goes back to the Lowe of last year? He of the 4.67 ERA who most of us (including Frank Wren) wanted to trade at the end of last season?
And if he has a bad year next year, then we would be stuck with him for his 4th season at $15 mil.
Especially since we can use his money to upgrade other positions.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
11:47 am
“Wayne, as for 11:19, there is never a guarantee that you move to the next round. That said, I go with the best healthy players available. JJ is useless right now, given Hanson’s recent effectiveness. I do not like JJ in the bullpen, and do not want to waste my time praying my (tail) off hoping that his knee won’t give out. EOF may be highly effective, but not now – and now is what matters.
Saito? Man, I would need to pray and do a rosary in order to hope that his shoulder does not fall off. Forget it. JJ, EOF, and Saito are (sadly) out.”
There. Make the censors happy.
LTBF
September 30th, 2010
11:48 am
Long fly ball and Chip does go kinda nuts, but he is ok.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:52 am
Let’s see about the claim of so much run support for Lowe.
Since June 1, the Braves have scored in Lowe’s losses (total runs scored and NOT just while Lowe was in the game) 2, 1, 0, 3, 2, 1, and 2 runs.
He’s also had 2 no decisions and three losses where he gave up 2 or fewer runs (since June 1).
So it appears that MAYBE he didn’t get all that run support y’all think he did. If he HAD, he would be a 20 game winner for the Braves in 2010. So sure, lets trade him.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:53 am
LTBF-I walked 3/4 of a mile yesterday and will do a full mile today (in 1/8 mile increments). I’m walking normally with just a bit more stiffness than I had prior to the break. Thanks for asking.
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
11:55 am
Miami Beach
If I had to guess, there is a 75% chance McLouth starts off next year as our starting CF’er. (or left)
FW keeps one of the two arb eligible guys, and deals from our prospect pitching to get an up and coming LF’er. Probably somebody that has shown some flashes of being good, but not to the level of a Braun.
Carlos Quentin maybe? Matt Kemp??
Or maybe he goes for somebody like Young of AZ and moves McLouth to left.
I would be super shocked if we end up with 2 new starting outfielders this off season.
Would the Cardinals be interested in Infante/Vizcaino/??? for Rasmus? I kinda doubt that, as I think the Rasmus thing is with LaRussa, who can be a bit of an ass sometimes.
Just thinking out loud……….
Who do you see being possibilities?
Heavy Medlen
September 30th, 2010
11:55 am
Lew,
Great, and trading Lowe would free up another 11 million. ONE player, could free up 15 million (11 if we resign JV), to go along with that salary you mentioned being cut. Those numbers come of the books either way, this would add more to it.
What is wrong with having more financial flexibility? Derek Lowe is nowhere near worth 15 million per season? Why not unload that contract if we can?
Either way, agree to disagree. The question was addressed to DOB anyways. My whole point was swapping Derek with Javy to save 11 million dollars. Had nothing to do with Saito, Wags, or the irrelevent injury concerns of JJ and Med. So you may now have the final word, and judging by your every-other-post nature, that should appease you. How dare you try to darken these bright times with your douchebaggery. I can’t beleive I actually stooped to this level to get in one of these blog back-and-fourths.
I feel like Eminem when he beefed with Benzino.
(I gotta think thats the first time “Benzino” has ever been mentioned on this blog. For good reason.)
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:56 am
And yes, I do realize that more goes into a pitcher’s record than just wins and losses. However, until they start deciding playoff spots by ERA, WHIP or K to BB rate instead of wins……..
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
11:57 am
Don’t rush that rehab Lew! Don’t need any setbacks.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
11:58 am
How do you figure trading Lowe (IF you could do it or IF you had the lack of common sense to do it) you’d save $11 million? Dude makes $15 and the Braves won’t eat salary.
Besides even eating salary, I refer you to Wayne’s post. You’d save not a dmaned thing in the long run.
Tami
September 30th, 2010
11:59 am
DOB! Do you have the pitching lineup for the Phillies series yet? If so, would you please post it on Facebook?? Thanks! You’re the best.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:01 pm
And if you post something on the blog – to DOB or others, you open yourself to commentary. Sorry you don’t want to hear contrary opinions or those that make sense.
How about we wait and see what happens? Bet my scenario comes to fruition and yours won’t. Bet you a drawing to nothing in return that Lowe stays a Brave.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:02 pm
Wayne-I’m not rushing anything. I could have done more, but stopped.
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
12:02 pm
Heavy Medlen and others wanting to deal Lowe
Last year, we needed to free up some salary. FW tried to deal Lowe to get the most flexibility, but ended up with a pretty sweet return for Javy Vazquez.
So last year we pieced together a power guy for part of the season (Glaus and Lee). Maybe it pans out, maybe not.
Where is the great need right now to lower salary by a large amount? Do you folks really in your hearts think we are going to be players on the FA market??? I don’t see it. Too many big money clubs making a play for 2-3 good hitters, and that’s it. Crawford, Werth or Dunn would be huge in our lineup, but I just don’t see it happening.
Even if we could deal Lowe, I don’t see us getting one of those guys.
I just don’t see it from this far out west………..
LTBF
September 30th, 2010
12:02 pm
Lew 11:53
Great Lew.
Owl Hunter
September 30th, 2010
12:03 pm
Lowe missed a start for the first time in his career just this season. Aside from the wins and innings, we really need his overall durability. Wren overpaid, but it was at a time that we were desperate for solid pitching in the rotation. How quickly do people forget how bad and injured our rotation was in ‘08?
Wayne in Utah
September 30th, 2010
12:05 pm
Lew
Glad to hear it.
Gotta run folks. It’s been fun. Check in a bit later.
LTBF
September 30th, 2010
12:05 pm
For 2011 season. Top three starters Hudson, Hanson and Lowe sound real good to me, wish we could have Medlin for a fourth starter.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
12:06 pm
The scuttlebutt is that LaRussa is gone. New management, Walt Jocketty gone, and LaRussa’s old-age crotchets has made him a plutonium lame duck. That translates to Rasmus staying in St. Louie.
There are teams that desperately need pitching. There are teams that desperately need to shake off salary. I think either Quentin (White Sox need pitching) or Kemp (Dodgers need to loose $$$’s) are two very good starts. However, Wren would do well to also find a CF; again, if the Braves depend on Chipper at the third spot, it will be a lost campaign; if Brian McCann ever hits fourth next year, it will be a lost season.
Heyward needs to hit third next season. Period. I also think McCann is aging before our very eyes. Injuries married to the grind of catching more games than he ever should have, have taken their toll. Ross will have to play MUCH more next year. I would like to see Freeman quickly become the five or six hitter, with Prado at two, and the new CF at leadoff.
Brave4life- We almost had it
September 30th, 2010
12:06 pm
I dont wanna say it but
The Phillies are going to be REALLY tough, i doubt they will rest there regular players after resting them for the Nationals series. Braves really need to bring there offense. I think Alex Gonzalez is going to be the key for this series.
DAP
September 30th, 2010
12:06 pm
wayne, as far as what the white sox need, im not an expert on their personnel, but they will probably need bullpen help, and if we had infielders we were willing to trade, i think they would go for that. they are losing konerko to FA, and have mark tehan playing 3rd.
kenny williams is a pretty aggressive GM, and i can see him trading quentin, but i cant see him dumping him for prospects. unless we are willing to include a SP, some good bullpen arms, freeman, prado or infante in a trade, it may be hard to pry quentin.
Owl Hunter
September 30th, 2010
12:07 pm
Wait. Do people really want Vazquez back? Over Lowe?!? Have you seen him pitch this year? He’s broken, and has never been reliable in big game situations. Ask Ozzie Guillen about that.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
12:07 pm
Tami: Beachy, Hanson, Hudson (if needed).
DAP
September 30th, 2010
12:09 pm
wayne, i think chris young could be a pretty good pickup. towers is the new GM in AZ, and he has a bit of rebuilding to do. if the braves were willing to trade a starter and/or some good bullpen pieces, i think he would be very interested.
but, that would require a painful trade.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
12:10 pm
Owl Hunter: very few pitchers like to pitch for Ozzie. Vazquez pitched EXTREMELY well for Atl. in his one season. The disparity in salary will be HUGE.
Lowe will not be traded because no one will take him – not even the Yankees. But if it could ever happen, Lowe is gone, and Javy is back AT A HUGE SAVINGS…
So we can get a REAL GOOD LF power bat.
sri
September 30th, 2010
12:11 pm
Another name to consider is Magglio Ordonez.. though he is really popular in Detroit and said he would like stay..
LTBF
September 30th, 2010
12:12 pm
Back later, got to work on my NFL picks for the weekend.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:12 pm
Owl-Not over Lowe, but in addition – let him be the fifth starter or back up fourth should Jurrjens prove to be more injury prone.
Kawakami’s the once we need to figure how to trade – NOT LOwe.
Trading KK would free up almost $7 mil – maybe 4 or 5 if we eat some to jettison him (might have to include a minor leaguer, too, or take little to nothing in return). But, h can be traded.
John Leonard
September 30th, 2010
12:12 pm
I’ve watched Javy pitch a couple of times and I believe he burned his self out ,with that great year last year.Think the guy was great,but folks he’s toast.With his main pitch being breaking balls in the low 70’s,fastball in mid 80’s.The guy was great for us,and I hope I’m wrong.
timthebrave
September 30th, 2010
12:13 pm
I don’t love Chip as an announcer but he had a pretty gone one yesterday. He was talking about Ross having 3 doubles and the Braves record being 4 doubles and then Chip says something about his dad having 5 doubles(drinks). It was an extra inning game or something. Chip can sometimes be annoying but I think he is getting better and sometimes he can be pretty funny. I do miss Skip Caray. Go Braves
Owl Hunter
September 30th, 2010
12:13 pm
MiaBch
How do you explain this JV this year? He had a great year for us, but he is wildly inconsistent. I would take him back on the cheap, but as a 5th starter. We can’t rely on him to be a major part of the rotation. He won’t repeat ‘09.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
12:14 pm
Magglio has a REAL bad knee, and cannot play OF any more.
Uhhh, NO!
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:14 pm
DAP-Chris Young has had shoulder trouble. That’s scary – much scarier than if he had TJ.
DAP
September 30th, 2010
12:15 pm
wayne chris young is also locked up for awhile, thru 2013 i believe. he is owed about $22mil still on that contract.
Owl Hunter
September 30th, 2010
12:15 pm
Lew
I pray next to my makeshift Braves altar in my closet that someone takes KK off our hands, but I really doubt it. Red Sox, maybe?
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:17 pm
Owl-If you went back to the posts after Javy was traded, youd see that many of us predicted this type of season in NY. Javy never has pitched well as a Yankee and being a RH Power pitcher who gives up fly ball outs, with that short RF porch and wind tunnel? And adding to that he’s pitching for Joe “Never Saw a Rotation I Couldn’t Destroy” Girardi…..
Destiny Dude.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
12:17 pm
Owl Hunter: maybe he is the one Puerto Rican who hates New York. I dunno. What I do know is that in two NY stints, he has stunk up the place. He was decent in Chicago (in a DH league) and was an awesome innings eater in Atl. He is a freak in that he is healthy, and a horse.
Yes, he can repeat ‘09 again in a big park like ours, where the ninth hitter is always a pitcher.
DAP
September 30th, 2010
12:18 pm
lew, im talking about chris young the CF, not the SP.
John Leonard
September 30th, 2010
12:19 pm
The thought of KK pitching in Fenway.Who said our launches to outer space were over?
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:19 pm
Owl-Dayton Moore and the Royals would be a good home. NO pressure and they can use all the help they can get. Maybe as a salary dump with no expectations of a return/ Of course, KC m,ight have to import an Asian population, but as I’ve never been there, I could be wrong.
Murph
September 30th, 2010
12:20 pm
DAP, I didn’t respond because a) you missed the point of my wikipedia link (obviously not serious) and b) you aren’t interested in discussing the topic, only discrediting the poster. Talking to people like you isn’t much fun.
If you think the current personnel is capable of handling the leadoff role, so be it. I can’t convince you otherwise. My guess is that you’ve never pitched or played above the little league level, and therefore don’t realize what sort of impact speed can have. That’s cool. Not a problem.
The Braves will probably go into next season without a prototypical leadoff guy and will suffer the consequences. But, according to you, there is no such thing as a true leadoff hitter and the Braves have been fine with what they’ve had, even though there are guys out there with more SB than the entire Braves team has in a year.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:20 pm
DAP-Never mind.
Frankie Wren
September 30th, 2010
12:20 pm
Nobody’s addressed the big dropoff in Javy’s velocity this year. Chances are extremely remote he is the 09 version.
Owl Hunter
September 30th, 2010
12:21 pm
On Javy: Maybe, but If we give him more than $2.5M, it’s a big risk. He’s getting older, and while I appreciate what he did for us, we can’t assume he’ll do it again. He’ll have to pitch in bad parks next year, too. I cringe at the thought of him pitching in Philly with the season on the line. As iffy as Lowe has been, I’d take him in that situation over Javy any time.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:21 pm
I tyhink the Red Sox already have unresolved issues with pitchers from KK’s part of the world (can’t believe I can’t mention his country of origin here).
Murph
September 30th, 2010
12:23 pm
“wayne, i think chris young could be a pretty good pickup.”
That’s what we need… a career .240 hitter who strikes out 150 times a year. Good call.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
September 30th, 2010
12:23 pm
MiaBchBravesFan I also think McCann is aging before our very eyes.
I wish you hadn’t put it that way…
Maybe we’ll luck out, in more ways than two, and next summer won’t be so. Dang. HOT. As. He——!
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
12:24 pm
OH, and Bud Black can kiss my (tail)! Chipper, Prado, Medlen – out. McLouth, Glaus, KK, Lowe (for most of the season), Escobar – lame, useless. Tons of rookie relievers, stop-gap players at key positions, injuries galore, crap trades, no hitting…
Bobby Cox wins the Manager of the Year for the NL, if there is any justice.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
12:26 pm
Sorry, McFann. I did not mean to hit home like that. Truth is, he is a very whipped pup as of late.
MiaBchBravesFan
September 30th, 2010
12:27 pm
With a new manager next year, think Colby Rasmus will blow up next year for the Cards.
Lew
September 30th, 2010
12:29 pm
MiaBchBraves-Mac just needed some more time off. Yesterday was Ross’s first start in two weeks. Mac’s just burned out bad. Catching ain’t easy.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
September 30th, 2010
12:30 pm
MiaBchBravesFan Sorry, McFann. I did not mean to hit home like that.
Oh, I mean…you don’t have to apologize, but thank you!
It just sort of unsettled me, I guess…
Truth is, he is a very whipped pup as of late.
Yeah…makes me sad. I’m not ready for that. But this is only one year—he’ll bounce back next year, I’m sure!
And maybe he’s just saving his strength for the playoffs…
Christopher Chance
September 30th, 2010
12:31 pm
What Brooks Conrad has done this year comes as no surprise to me. Last year, he hit a pinch hit 3 run jack against the Nationals to help us come back and beat them. He was rocking at the plate at the mid-point of the last season before Braves management decided to send him down when Kelly Johnson was activated (instead of cutting Bobby’s boy, Greg “the only way I can get on base is if the pitcher forgets to throw strikes) Norton……so Norton could get some some welfare time on the roster so he could qualify for a full, 10 year player’s pension).
Talk about the “anti-Midas Touch”. When Conrad was called back up in September, he went into something like a 0 for 30 funk, lol.
I remember when Matt Diaz had something like a 20 for 35 stretch……and incredibly Bobby Cox benched him so his boy Jeff Francoeur could “get some at-bats” in the Chicago series. In game one of that series, Lord Bobby brought Diaz in to “pinch bunt” in the 6th inning. I’m like “huh”? Why not bring in a pitcher to bunt? I never understood the logic of bringing in someone who was raking at the plate like Diaz to “pinch bunt”.
Imagine the number of comebacks that we “could” have had in 2009 IF we played the players who were worthy of playing.
Regardless, unless we collapse against the Phillies “B” team this weekend, the season starts over next week. We’ll have 3 days off to rest and get the rotation set. It should be interesting to see whose on the 25 man roster.
I feel that the Braves have put themselves in this position despite their manager, not because of him. Just because most people think that Lord Bobby is a great manager..does not make it so. For centuries, most people on earth thought the earth was flat AND that the earth was the center of the universe.
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
September 30th, 2010
12:31 pm
Lew @ 12:29—
Couldn’t agree more!
McFann :Ô: :Ô: :ô:
September 30th, 2010
12:32 pm
RUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNN!!!!
Arkansas Transplant
September 30th, 2010
12:32 pm
Why is everyone clamouring for Carlos Quentin? .251 career average, has only played more than 100 games in a season twice, never played more than 131 games in a season, doesn’t walk a lot and doesn’t have a very good career OBP. I don’t see where we need any of that.
Fred
September 30th, 2010
12:34 pm
I agree that we shouldn’t and likely won’t trade any starting pitchers (with the exception of KK, if any team is willing to take on a portion of his salary). In fact, I expect the braves to possibly add a relatively inexpensive starter/long reliever for depth (possibly even Vazquez if the price is right). We have enough salary coming off the books to add a LF via trade, which obviously is our major off-season need. Hopefully there will be enough $ to add a decent LF as opposed to another older reclamation project.
Sopheeee
September 30th, 2010
12:34 pm
McFann, I know you’ve said a few times that you take your binoculars to the games and dugout watch. I did it yesterday using my friend’s binoculars and had a blast. Freddie is a funny guy.
McJJeffrey lee
September 30th, 2010
12:36 pm
He’s a funny looking guy too
McJJeffrey lee
September 30th, 2010
12:36 pm
His hair reminds me of Zach Morris
Philly Phanatic
September 30th, 2010
12:37 pm
Phils are pitching their 5th starter tomorrow, I don’t know who on Sat, and Hammels for no more than 2-3 innings. We’re basically giving you a sweep so if I were you I wouldn’t even think about worrying what SD does as too many funky things have to happen to even get to a playoff of some sort. I just hope Phils start with Reds as we beat them up even without Rollins and Utley. You’re in, nothing to worry about. See I’m not a bad guy.
McJJeffrey lee
September 30th, 2010
12:38 pm
Wait, Philly Phanatic…so you’re saying if a team is pitching its worst pitchers, then the other team can’t brag when they won?
Sopheeee
September 30th, 2010
12:39 pm
He does have a Zack Morris hair thing going now that I think about it.