First person Cox tribute: Joe Torre

Joe Torre on retiring Braves manager Bobby Cox:

“Even though he says he’s quitting after this year, that fire is still burning, man…

“The thing that’s interesting is sort of what surprises all of us when you’re in the game a long time, and that’s how, even though the game’s played the same, the people playing it are different. And I think that’s the manager’s biggest challenge, to understand that, accept that and work within those parameters. And he’s good at it.joe-torre

“Players love playing for him because he’s very honest. He knows his baseball; he’s had about every job connected with the game. He’s been great. He and John Schuerholz have certainly put together an organization that will stand as a model. Because I know when I talk, in terms of organizations, that’s one of the model organizations. It’s not about how many World Series you’ve won, it’s about how often do you compete. And it doesn’t matter, with all the turnover that they’ve had they continue to compete. That’s certainly a credit to him.

“Unfortunately, that’s the way we’re all going to be judged. Unfortunately, John Elway would never had the kind of following that he has now if he hadn’t won those two Super Bowls, or even one of those Super Bowls. He still would have been the same player, but that’s the way we judge people anymore.”

45 comments Add your comment

eskippy

September 21st, 2010
9:58 am

No takin advantage by these chokers

September 21st, 2010
10:02 am

booby will be missin the playoffs this year

SimpleDawg

September 21st, 2010
10:12 am

People who really know baseball, know how really good Bobby Cox is as a manager and a leader.

We will surely miss him when he’s gone.

PMC

September 21st, 2010
10:13 am

Would Torre consider coming here? It’s not his fault his team owners imploded out in LA. Of couse…our ownership is no better than the McCourts… but would love to have Joe back here

DC Brave

September 21st, 2010
10:28 am

I would rather have Joe Torre finishing his managing career where it started, here in Atlanta, than see him as the next manager of the Mets.

Mitchell

September 21st, 2010
10:47 am

If only we had won the ‘96 World Series like we should have.

Steinbrenner would have fired Joe Torre. Who’s to say at that point that anybody could have guided that team to four World Series , let alone one.

They obviously had talent but to be able to deal with all that pressure and such huge expectations in New York, in the wild card era, and win four World Series in five years, he just showed what a truly great manager he is/was.

Torre is a thousand times the manager Bobby Cox is.

Bobby never had any pressure. He never had to manage like his job was on the line.

We could have coasted to a division title and we’re giving it away like a cup of water to a marathoner.

Pathetic.

extremus

September 21st, 2010
11:09 am

I too proposed the Torre idea when I heard he was leaving the Dodgers; I know Fredi Gonzalez is probably the Braves’ first choice but he will be courted by a LOT of other teams as a lot of management jobs change hands after the season. It would be the second time Torre replaced Cox in the dugout if he were to take over as manager next year. While it’s unlikely, I think the Braves could certainly do a lot worse. After all, we know what happened to the team for at least the first few years after Torre took over in 1982; America’s Team, 13-0 to start the season, first division championship since 1969. Torre often credited Cox with gathering the personnel to help him accomplish those things, but Torre himself, at least for a time, changed the culture surrounding this franchise. Might not be a bad thing in some respects if it happened again.

Lobosolo

September 21st, 2010
11:11 am

Mitchell, I’ve been reading your posts for the last couple of days… You don’t know your butt from third base… Why in the world do you refer to the Braves as “we”? The players in that clubhouse would whip your behund twice and then kick you out in a minute… I imagine Joe Torre would, too… Do us all a favor, and take your whiney-assed, pussified comments somewhere else…

Curt

September 21st, 2010
11:13 am

Reading between the lines, it sounds like Torre is telling the Braves front office that he would like to be consdered for manager.

twoiron

September 21st, 2010
11:27 am

Braves would never pay Joe Torre kind of $$$

kaminari

September 21st, 2010
11:28 am

I remember 13-0. I was in the 6th grade & remember going to the stadium during the streak. That was also the year we lost 13 in a row, right? Anyway, hey Joe, come back to ATL.

Braves82

September 21st, 2010
11:46 am

Just for the record. Atlanta was NOT Torre’s first job. He was manager of the Met’s before he came to Atlanta.

Jesse Stone

September 21st, 2010
12:21 pm

What makes Torre a great manager? Great players. How good was he for the Mets? He did win a division title in Atlanta. How good did he do with the Cards?

Branch Rickey

September 21st, 2010
12:38 pm

Give Joe Torre a 2-year deal to be the “transitional” manager or bridge to the manager; bring him back to the organization that gave him his start in baseball – the Braves !

Patrick

September 21st, 2010
3:06 pm

We’ll miss Bobby, but it’s time to go get Joe!

I ROCK

September 21st, 2010
3:10 pm

AND MITCHELL LOVES DUDES

jw

September 21st, 2010
3:11 pm

trading one 70 year old for another – not sure we gain – if that’s the case, keep who we have and ride off into the sunset with him – let Torre go back to NY and finish up his career in the big Apple, it’s his kind of town!

adam

September 21st, 2010
3:20 pm

as long as melky is in the starting lineup, lefty or righty, and bobby still allows carlos ruiz to hit with a runner at second with two outs and a free base open and a back up short stop followed by the pitcher to hit, well the braves will be on the outside looking in. this makes me wonder is baseball fixed!

jimmymack

September 21st, 2010
3:20 pm

great comment’s.it takes a great manager to know one

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

September 21st, 2010
3:29 pm

Lobosolo, amen to that. Mitchell is a hollow gourd.

Heard It All Before

September 21st, 2010
3:36 pm

I’m not interested in the Braves investing in a guy at Torre’s age, who’s at most going to give you 2 or 3 more years before retiring. Better to identify someone who you think will be around for a decade or more, assuming he performs, and build the team around his approach.

Atlanta Sports Fan

September 21st, 2010
3:36 pm

It’ll be 5 years without a post-season for the Braves. Time for Bobby, his mismanagement of the bullpen and lack of fundamentals to retire.

If Joe Torre had a pitching staff of Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery, Mercker, & Neagle, Atlanta would have 3-5 World Championships in the 1990s.

coloradobulldog

September 21st, 2010
3:55 pm

Notice how anyone who knows baseball – other managers, players, baseball experts – rave about how great a manager Bobby is. And yet, we still folks like ‘Atlanta Sports Fan’ who make claims that ATL should have won 5 championships or that Bobby ‘lacks fundamentals’. You’d think these ‘fans’ would realize how much it shows they don’t know one thing about baseball when they make post these comments since everyone who does knows baseball has a different opinion. How ’bout this? Without Bobby this team would not even be sniffing at the playoffs. After that poor start, most managers would have been unable to remain positive. And we would haven’t players like Wagner who come here to play for Bobby.

WDE

September 21st, 2010
4:18 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Torre is our manager next year. Read between the lines.

Atlanta Sports Fan

September 21st, 2010
4:28 pm

Yet we have the “players manager” who lets clowns like Reitsma, Kolb, Kelly Johnson, Andruw Jones, Jordan Schafer, Jeff Francouer, Greg Norton, McLouth, et al get away with non-production for months until they get hurt, traded away or leave via free agency or retirement. Look how long it took for Bobby to acknowledge Martin Prado was a starting second baseman. It took Kelly Johnson hitting .216 & getting injured for Prado to get his break, after distinguishing himself every chance given. Infante would be riding the pine if not for Chipper’s injury, but he has a shot of winning the batting title. Where would this team be right now w/o Prado & Infante ?

“Gee, Skip. I sure do miss Kelly Johnson. Greg Norton, too. They were really tearing it up in our simulated games.”

Duh.

Pathetic Mitchell

September 21st, 2010
4:47 pm

Speaking of pathetic – Mitchell – why do you even post? You are no Braves fan.
You certainly don’t know anything about sports. Did you even play? Could you even play
T-ball – oh, wait, that’s insulting the T-ball players. Go watch TLC or — just go away.

Bravo Uno

September 21st, 2010
4:48 pm

I agree w/Atlanta Sports Fan.

What manager wouldn’t look good with pitchers named Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery, Mercker & Neagle?

Since 1991 I have had recurring nightmares when Bobby brought in old lefty Charlie Leibrandt to face right-handed slugger Kirby Puckett with the game on the line. I can’t bear to relate what happened …

Frozen Rope

September 21st, 2010
5:05 pm

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out foxed

September 21st, 2010
5:08 pm

great regular season manager. Record speaks for itself. Horrible post season record and horrible post season manager, and the post season is where good managers become great managers and earn their money. Go ask go ask Torre, La Russa, Billy Martin, Sparky Anderson, John McGraw and on down the line what it takes. Spreaking of that he is getting out managed right now by Charlie and the Phillies.

Booby's booger finger

September 21st, 2010
5:11 pm

Did you guys see me on TV last night? I got two good picks in before they switched to the field. two thumbs up for the ” b-finger”

Peter

September 21st, 2010
5:22 pm

Gosh how many World Series rings does Joe have……..and he beat Booby how many times in the Series ?

Gee what are you going to do….kick a dog when it is down ?

Bobby has been the greatest guy I beat ever…..Fantastic Manager burning to win…..Gosh most important series right now for the Braves, and he pitches 2 minor league guys in a row…..that is coaching my friends !

JOHN

September 21st, 2010
5:48 pm

Bobby's Booger

September 21st, 2010
5:54 pm

Phils have their best three going against us & Bobby counters with our worst three, including two minor leaguers.

BRILLIANT !

Another post-season watching some other team

Savannah Seer

September 21st, 2010
6:44 pm

What can I tell ya? Back in ‘86, I named my daughter Tori!!! Nuff said!!!

dre

September 21st, 2010
9:10 pm

Torre’s always been classy.

TOMMY HANSON

September 21st, 2010
10:21 pm

Yeah, I’ll shut down the Phills tomorrow. Don’t worry guys. Espn says we have over a 80% chance to win the wild card! Play the Reds in the division series, phillies in the NLCS, and then we’ll start Pascual Perez in game 7 (Jurjens) and lose another nail biter. Hit the road Bobby!

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Bruce Benedict's Wife

September 23rd, 2010
12:21 am

Now that Paul Richards is out of the picture,maybe Joe will come back to manage the Braves again. If he does, he can re-open Joe Torre’s Sub Shop on Cambelton Rd. Those were the first and best subs I ever had. I had most of the original Atlanta Braves autographs(Hank,Eddie,Tony, Dennis,Felipe,Woody,….), and they were all friendly guys. But Joe was the one who would ask where you played, how it was going. We let him leave Atlanta twice, and paid the price for the mistake.

bja

September 23rd, 2010
7:32 am

who won those 4500 games if bobby was so terrible?These idiots were saying that he was the worst manager who ever lived,but he just went on winning.some body had to win all those games if he was so bad.he is merely one of the best along with the three or four greatest managers who ever lived.

bja

September 23rd, 2010
7:36 am

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Bobby,you have been one of the greatest,I for one hate to see you go,but you have earned your rest enjoy it.

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Fred Flinstone

September 24th, 2010
5:45 pm

To hire Joe Torre to manage would be just like signing all those severely over the hill and washed up players the Braves have signed over the past few seasons. You have no hope of improving by bringing in old and washed up people.
Bobby and Torre have earned the right to retire from the pressure and enjoy what’s left of their life. There is life after baseball.

grannybear

September 24th, 2010
5:58 pm

Anyone that says Bobby Cox isn’t the best manager ever and that Joe Torre is is either blonde and dumb or has no right to be watching baseball.

grannybear

September 24th, 2010
6:08 pm

Oh forgot,Whats so hot about Joe Torre.Sure didn’t help the Dodgers any.I too think he will take the
Braves but since I’m in So Calif and watch the Dodgers but am a #1 Brave fan Joe Torre is a very
lazy manager.He didn’t have to manage in NY because that team wins by hook or crook but they
win.Wish I had some of the pay off money they secure for Umpires and ect.so they will win.Someone put Derek Jeter to the test and the little creep wasn’t hit by the pitch at all.Cheaters
is what NY is and lazy is what Joe Torre is.

count_schemula

October 7th, 2012
6:19 am

Um, F Joe Torre.

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