Braves’ quotes after Friday loss at Florida

BOBBY COX

On Kawakami

“He just couldn’t get in a groove, to locate his pitches. He just never got in a rhythm tonight.”

“That’s the worst I’ve ever seen him.”

KENSHIN KAWAKAMI

On whether he thinks he’ll get another start

“It’s not about me and keeping my position in the starting rotation. It’s really [about] how much I want to contribute, and the fact that I wasn’t able to today was pretty shocking.

Anything specific causing most of problems tonight?

“From the beginning of the inning, just walking the first hitter of the game. Just lack of control today.”

MATT DIAZ

On Andrew Miller

“What he did tonight was a good job of damage control. We got our hits — most of them were singles, and their hits were doubles. That was the difference. They had a ton of extra-base hits and we didn’t have many, and when we got a runner on he made a good pitch.”

On getting Miller’s pitch count over 100 in five innings, with only one run

“Yeah, we’ve done that a couple of times this year. It’s frustrating. That means you’re putting together some good at-bats [but not getting the big hit]. They played some great defense behind him. It just wasn’t our night, that’s for sure.”

How much did it take out of you, falling behind early, etc.

“Long innings are never fun, whether they score or not. When we had a chance to score in the first and we didn’t, obviously as an offense you want to get back in there as quickly as possible. You feel like there’s some unfinished business.”

DAVID ROSS

On Kawakami saying he just couldn’t locate pitches

“Yeah, I thought his stuff was OK. He had some good stuff, but everything was up and middle. We didn’t go strike 1 enough. That kind of stuff gets you in trouble. I know they’re not in first or second place or anything, but they have a really good lineup. And he just didn’t locate very well. He hit it right on the head [with that assessment].”

They can make you pay for mistake pitches?

“They can. Especially if you get off to a slow start, and you start nit-picking the corners. It’s just tough. You’ve got throw strike 1 on this team and get them aggressive, then get them to expand the zone. Because the more they’re able to shrink the zone, they’re really, really dangerous.”

How tough to have long innings like that early, when you’re in field?

“Yeah, the innings were just too long. There was no pace, we didn’t have a good pace to the game. We had a lot of stuff in-between pitches, guys stepping off. Even the clean innings we had, they took a long time. It’s always tough on position players, me as a catcher I felt like the game was about 5 hours long. When you’re doing that stuff, if you don’t have a good pace of game in this heat, it beats you down a little bit. That’s something we can definitely work on, from a standpoint of, tempo of the game is a big thing. It makes the other hitters more aggressive, when I get in the box and that pitcher is ready to come right at me, I don’t feel as comfortable as I do when they’re taking time.”

157 comments Add your comment

stachemoney22

September 3rd, 2010
11:23 pm

I really don’t see how KK can be allowed to start another game. Dave is the man.

Heyward Man Crush

September 3rd, 2010
11:24 pm

Get it together Braves!!!!! This is getting ridiculous!!!! Man up and take whats yours!!!!!

Trey

September 3rd, 2010
11:25 pm

Mr. Enigma

September 3rd, 2010
11:27 pm

Phillies are now just 1 game back of Atlanta. They haven’t been 1 game back since June 1.

Frank from KS (now living in CO)

September 3rd, 2010
11:27 pm

Bye-bye NL East. The Braves don’t deserve to win ANYTHING.

I Miss Ted Turner (formerly I Love Derrek Lee)

September 3rd, 2010
11:27 pm

No more starts for KK. And Liberty Media, please spend some money on some real hitters…or sell the team.

Dan-82ndAirborne

September 3rd, 2010
11:32 pm

kk, The fact that you weren’t able to pitch well tonight was shocking? Maybe to you, but not to any of us. GTFO

Atl Native

September 3rd, 2010
11:33 pm

At least we have D. Lee pounding in runs….
Oh wait..

NM

Jerek Deter

September 3rd, 2010
11:36 pm

KK won’t be starting another game for the Braves this year. However, a semi-injured Derek Lowe (now with bone chips!) will be starting (though certainly not finishing) every fifth game. This would be a good time to look at a prospect or two from the minors…if the Braves weren’t in a pennant chase.

stachemoney22

September 3rd, 2010
11:40 pm

I mentioned on a previous blog that it would be nice to claim ted lilly and work out a deal with the dodgers(after we received word of a possible injury suffered by Lowe on Sunday.) How nice would it be to have the vet crafty lefty now….Hopefully, Christian Martinez gets a shot at making a start or two, if we need someone to fill-in.

Largo

September 3rd, 2010
11:41 pm

You can’t expect much from a bad pitcher on a not so good team.

Baldemar Huerta

September 3rd, 2010
11:56 pm

How nice would it be to have the vet crafty lefty now

I read that as “have the vet put the lefty down” at first.

Brian H.

September 4th, 2010
12:05 am

Two things…KK better not get another start for the Braves, EVER. I have not missed watching many Braves’ games on TV this year, but I WILL NOT watch another game in which KK is the starting pitcher. Come on Braves, figure out how to win on the road. You will not win the NL East of you can’t figure out how to win on the road. Heck, you may not even be in first place after this weekend.

PhillyCheeseSteak

September 4th, 2010
12:05 am

The Braves are toast ! Face it Atlanta losers, this aint your year….AGAIN !! The Phillies will win their 4th NL East Division title in a row !!!!!!!!!!!!!

E-6

September 4th, 2010
12:06 am

Does Bobby’s “worst I ever seen him” translate into we’re never going to see him again? Silver lining – three off days later this month where we can skip that spot in the rotation.

Baldemar Huerta

September 4th, 2010
12:08 am

Regardless of what happens, “Mr. Ineffective” is gone at the end of this year. Good Riddance, long overdue.

braveguy

September 4th, 2010
12:10 am

I’d rather have Rick start with KK in CF than KK on the mound with Rick in center.

los phillies

September 4th, 2010
12:11 am

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E-6

September 4th, 2010
12:12 am

There should be several “Mr. Ineffectives” gone after this season – by number – 11, 24, 25, 27 and 53 for starters. And if Billy Wagner is serious about not coming back, there’s a guy in Florida who wears that #13 who would be a great, albeit expensive fit.

los phillies

September 4th, 2010
12:13 am

the bravest are done

los phillies

September 4th, 2010
12:15 am

It’s inevitable _ the juggernaut is bearing down on you

phils

September 4th, 2010
12:18 am

Let’s go phillies

mikeDW

September 4th, 2010
12:22 am

I’m just glad we have KK and McClouth both in for the stretch run. Damn it Bobby.

truefan

September 4th, 2010
12:29 am

So we lost a road game with KK on the mound. No suprise. Phillie fans are all excited, but end the end its one game. It took the Phils a month to make up on game in the standings and now that they’re close they’re making a big deal. But it will still come down to the two series between them this month, which has basically been the case since mid-July.

Ron H.

September 4th, 2010
12:34 am

The Braves can’t win on the road…not even close to .500.

We’re not going far if we make the playoffs…We HAVE to be able to win in somebody elses house!

Darnit, Braves!

The Truth

September 4th, 2010
12:41 am

KK is done, no reason with the expanded rosters for him to pitch again this year….Braves gotta ball up and win on the road. This crap has got to stop. Needs to be a team meeting or something and let Mac or someone with credibility say enough is enough, lets finish out strong on the road starting today. No reason for it, and no reason to continue it. This whole “take the series” crap has gotta stop too. From here on out, they need to win every game. I know they can’t but winning every series from here on out (save the Phillies series) might not be enough. There is going to have to be some sweeps and settling for less as an excuse for poor play gets old. It’s one thing in July, it’s now Sept., we got a 1 game lead, screw winning series, take every damn game.

hootdaddy-16

September 4th, 2010
12:41 am

Just interview TP about tonight’s hitting performances. Put him on the spot about the lack of hitting. Ask him why such inconsistency.

Buzz

September 4th, 2010
12:42 am

I know he has not started all year, but why not Venters? He is a starter and can go 4 at least … and making him a starter would prevent Bobby from using him every darn day.

Buzz

September 4th, 2010
12:43 am

Also, how did the Diamondbacks get Mike Hampton and not us? I’d rather take a chance with him for a few innings than Kawakami. At least Hampton has the will to win.

scottbravesfan

September 4th, 2010
12:53 am

kawakami should just retire and go back to Japan and pitch. No need to be away from your family and embarrass yourself anymore.

Evo621

September 4th, 2010
1:04 am

Tick tock tick tock tick tock…

Braves time atop the NL East is drawing to a close. Phils about to reclaim what’s rightfully theirs. In the words of Slick, “It’s time to pray….the party’s over.”

braves70

September 4th, 2010
1:28 am

The fact that the Braves were in 1st place so long is a real indictment of how poorly the Phillies have played. The Braves lost their star 3B, have two scrap heap retreads at 1B, lost one of their top young starters, have a veteran starter who is damaged goods, and have a collection of 4th and 5th OFs (except for Heyward).

With all of that, it still took the Phillies all season to catch up to this point. The Phillies with all stars at nearly every position and a payroll about $60 million above the Braves have been massive underachievers to trail this rag-tag but gutsy group of Braves for so long.

Bruce Mac

September 4th, 2010
1:53 am

Where are all the idiots that thought KK was as good as JJ and D Lowe. If BC starts KK again you can be assured he is either senile or on the take from the Phillies. Mark Bradley, you should no better than to jinx this team much less make ignorant statements like “I have a feeling this team is special”. You are paid way too much money to act like a fool. Please move or at least learn to keep it shut.

I'm with Braves (Whatever & Wherever)

September 4th, 2010
1:53 am

I would wait till October 3 to say season a toast……….

tyler nj brave

September 4th, 2010
1:58 am

McCann cannot be sitting 2 times in 4 games…..nothing against Ross because he’s solid but we need to have (arguably) our best hitter in the line up.

Justin

September 4th, 2010
2:32 am

I love how ignorant the fan base of my favorite team is. Luckily the people who post on this articles don’t run the team or else they’d really ruin the Braves.

Cole

September 4th, 2010
3:38 am

Whatever! To win games you have to
score runs!and who did that KK!
Lowe wouldn’t have and we still would have lost
prado and heyward didn’t even.how can you win if nobody scores
don’t just blame the pitcher

Lobosolo

September 4th, 2010
3:53 am

Every one of you a-holes with your negative comments should quit talking the talk and start walking the walk… You’re not Braves fans so just F-off and get outta here… You don’t like the Braves or the way they’ve played? P-off and go root for someone else…

Sean

September 4th, 2010
4:45 am

Kawakami probably won’t get another start thank the lord…but if he does, it will be against the Pirates. Bottom line though, we didn’t get the clutch hit. Only hit with RISP was Kawakami with 2 outs. And on the bright side, Braves are still 4 games ahead of the Giants. There’s a month left in the season, the Braves need to keep the losing streaks to a minimum. Have faith instead of all the negativity.

RomeDawg

September 4th, 2010
5:43 am

Where’s Albie Lopez when you need him?

computer guy

September 4th, 2010
6:02 am

I understand that KK set the tone of the game. Yes we were down by 5 runs EARLY…but good teams SHOULD be able to come back.. a lot of time to make up those runs…It ain’t over till its over. This is what hurts…. >>> (This is a pitcher who was 1-8 with a 6.01 ERA in 18 starts in Double-A this season, but Miller limited the Braves to one run and seven hits in five innings, with three walks and six strikeouts) I wonder when Bobby or for that matter, anyone notice that KK didn’t have it..first, second, third inning?

LivinInAL

September 4th, 2010
6:04 am

When Mr. Positive, Bobbys Cox says,”That’s the worst I’ve ever seen him” things are bad. Sadly, KK needs to retire with Bobby at the end of the year.

Bob

September 4th, 2010
6:25 am

KK has had enough chances, time to pull plug. Wren has it admit mistake sighing KK and move on.

Reggie

September 4th, 2010
6:42 am

Ok there’s good news and bad news. Bad news is i don’t think we can hold off the Phillies…Good news is we don’t have to. As it stands today we have a 4 game advantage on San Francisco in the wildcard with 27 games left to play. If and i do mean IF we go can go 14-13 the Giants will have to go 18-9. So all we have to do is play .500 baseball to end the season and we will be fine. That should be easy…right? Right?

Sam

September 4th, 2010
6:49 am

Gonzo, Lee, Ankiel. I was really hoping one of these pickups would boost the club in a BIG way. Outside of a few nice hits they just have not panned out. Maybe it isn’t the Braves year afterall. Beating the Mets 3 of 4 is no that big a deal this year. The road woes are just continuing and a sweep is a distinct possibility.

computer guy

September 4th, 2010
6:53 am

We are all getting the bobby cox attitude…

Reggie 6:42
As it stands today we have a 4 game advantage on San Francisco in the wildcard with 27 games left to play. If and i do mean IF we go can go 14-13 the Giants will have to go 18-9. So all we have to do is play .500 baseball to end the season and we will be fine. (I understand what you are saying)

We should be going for the prize..win the division…. I have a checking account to pay my bills (1st place) I also have a savings account if necessary (wildcard) don’t want to depend on savings

braveshoo

September 4th, 2010
7:02 am

KK should not have pitched last night or ever again for the Braves. He is terrible, and I think it hurt the morale of the whole team. It should be Christian Martinez, not KK or D.Lowe. And the D.Lee experiment has to stop too. Try Glaus against LHs and Hinske/ Freeman against RHs. Finally, Ankiel just cant hit LHs at all. Melky has to play against LHs, even though he is not very good in CF. We need every hitter we can get right now. We need 5 runs a game; not 12 one night and 1 the next.

computer guy

September 4th, 2010
7:03 am

It is the intensity in which the Braves play that bothers me. It either comes from the mgr or the club house.
More games than not, this year we have faced opposing pitchers that we SHOULD beat. guys with ERA’s in the 6’s. Triple AAA guys with no major league experience. and for some reason we allow them the confidence to go six innings and give up 2 hits. We should be more aggressive. One other thing while I’m venting.. We have runners on 2nd and third no outs..a pitch count of 3-0. Bobby ALWAYS has the batter stand there and let the best pitch of the night go right over the middle of the plate (probably good enough to plate two runs) I know the book says “take a strike” but does it have to be every time a batter faces 3-0. How about mixing it up on occasion. Surprise someone don’t be so predictable.

Reggie

September 4th, 2010
7:04 am

@computer guy were on the same page but i think you know like i do that the Braves winning the division is more of a curse than a prize. Lets just get in the post-season anyway we can and go from there. I don’t want to see Bobby burn out Tim Hudson,JJ and the bullpen (even though he already has) trying to win a division when there’s a easier route to the playoffs.

what do I know?

September 4th, 2010
7:13 am

Frank W has a six million dollar race car called KK. He has had it at the track and lost 10 times yet he still keeps putting it out there because he paid 6 million for it. hopes that something will change.

Del

September 4th, 2010
7:15 am

There is one positive change that should be made immediately. Sit D.Lee and play Freeman. Lee is killing us with the number of runneras he is leaving stranded. WHAT ABOUT IT bOOBY?

Charlie

September 4th, 2010
7:19 am

Enjoy Saturday. It will be the last day that the Braves are in first place by themselves. KK has been the biggest bust in Atlanta, since Lem Barker. We have another $11 million to eat of his salary next year. Nice job, Frank. Derrek Lee is offensively worthless. I’m sure though, that Bobby will keep trotting him out there in the 4 or 5 spot. So much for runners getting on a head of him. He’ll do nothing. Another lousy pick-up. Might as well give Freeman the at bats, for next year. He won’t be any more of a bust than Lee is. How about our girl in center field (ANN KIEL)? 4 strikeouts last night. Can you spell “CHOKE”? ANN KIEL now hits like she used to pitch. Farnsworth…decent last night, in a meanless inning, leaving with his Atlanta ERA hat just under 8. All the moves for post season help have failed. And then there’s Melky. Too bad he can’t at least hustle a bit. Of course maybe the games aren’t important to Melky this time of year.
It’s no fun watching this team spit it out at the end. It has been a fun run, end of May, to now. Too bad Atlanta doesn’t have a team that finishes. Bye bye Bobby. I wish that KK and the others would be joining you.

Reggie

September 4th, 2010
7:20 am

I agree Freeman should get the nod over both of the stiffs playing first…also Ankiel should be a late game defensive replacement for Gregor Blanc…..wait never mind.

jase80

September 4th, 2010
7:29 am

Lets Just Keep fighting Every one. That is what We are Looking for. LETS STAY IN THE FIRE TILL THE END!!!

Kyle

September 4th, 2010
7:49 am

How could you be serious about winning the division and even have a dream about starting Kawakami much less really doing it in the last month of the season. That move right there shows you don’t deserve it and it looks like you don’t even want it.

Mutts

September 4th, 2010
7:51 am

There’s 27 games to go, and all that matters are the standings at the end of the season. Many of the “Chicken Littles” that blog here don’t have the stomach for a pennant race.

avocado

September 4th, 2010
7:55 am

Once again, folks, some of us want to see:
Javier Vazquez, pitcher, in the Braves lineup.

We remember that he did extremely well with Braves last year
as a standout pitcher,

and, was quoted as saying he would like to stay in Atlanta,
for more pitching, and as a good team player,

Wren the Wrecker never contacted his agent, never!

So, due to unforseen circumstances, wear, tear, all the usual stuff, the rotation begins to look somewhat inadequate and shallow for the long run,

when we need pitching…
Javier Vazquez was/could be again, a good fit in our rotation.

And, lessee, do the Braves need a pitcher now?

Javier Vazquez could be part of our solution.

Mitchell

September 4th, 2010
7:57 am

los phillies

September 4th, 2010
12:15 am

It’s inevitable _ the juggernaut is bearing down on you

Wrong. We’re giving it to you. Last time I checked you guys have won one game in the past two series.

Why don’t you actually try to win a few games off us before talking like that?

Let's Go

September 4th, 2010
8:18 am

Derek Lee has now been on the team for 2 weeks so his honeymoon is officially over. Produce or sit, it’s that simple. I don’t know if Freeman is the answer and maybe Glaus is still in his slump but between the 3 of them Bobby has got to find a run producer and stick to it.

The Braves need to go ahead and give KK his release and just suck up the money because no one is going to trade you for him in the off season and there is no way he is on this team coming out of spring training next season.

David O'Brien

September 4th, 2010
8:26 am

So the D-Lee honeymoon is “officially over” after two weeks? OK. How ’bout the Ankiel honeymoon? Is it “produce or sit” for him, too? So who plays 1B and CF, assuming you’re not going to find a better option via waiver trade at this late date, and even if you did that person wouldn’t be eligible for the postseason roster, so then you’d have to revert to someone in the organization once the playoffs begin a month from now.

Let's Go

September 4th, 2010
8:37 am

avocado
Sorry but this is no longer your daddy’s Braves. In case you haven’t noticed Ted Turner sold the team out when he decided to try and take over Time Warner about 15 years ago and for the last 10 the Braves have had to operate with a budget. Yes having unlimited spending like the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, & Mets would be nice but the facts are what they are and this organization has to try and do more with less and keep their spending within a budget. A lot of people like to bash Frank Wren and when you bring up Nate & KK you have every right to but you can’t bash the guy or the team for choosing to go with a long term deal with Tim Hudson over Javier Vazquez. When you have to work within a budget you have to think about tomorrow as much as today and I think with Vazquez deal the Braves did a great job of providing for future Braves teams.

BravesFan1

September 4th, 2010
8:46 am

Are we trying not to make the playoffs? I can’t believe we threw KK on the mound it’s like an instant loss. Wasn’t it Bobby Cox that said a couple of months ago that tryouts were over?

Let's Go

September 4th, 2010
8:48 am

DOB
I really hope Derek Lee is the answer the Braves need for a power bat in the middle of the line-up but so far he has not done that. I equate some of his struggles to being on a new team, new town, new club house but after 2 weeks he’s needs to settle in and be the force in the middle of the line-up that we need. As far as Rick Ankiel goes, I guess the reason he is still starting is because he is the best CF we have because other than that he has been a major disappointment.

Let's Go

September 4th, 2010
8:52 am

DOB
Wasn’t Rick Ankiel linked to the Mitchell Report or tested positive for PED’s or HGH? Maybe the guy turns out to be another player who can’t hit the long ball without the juice.

bobbymahlon

September 4th, 2010
8:53 am

How about putting Omar in center until late in the game,Glaus at third Prado at second, platoon Diaz and Hinske in left and the same at first with Freeman and Lee. Just a suggestion.

BravesFan

September 4th, 2010
9:00 am

Play Freddie Freeman! He is young hungry and not hurt. D Lee and T Glaus are just black holes in the lineup. Play the kid and watch as he drives us to the playoffs!!!!

what do I know?

September 4th, 2010
9:00 am

September 4th, 2010
8:53 am
How about putting Omar in center until late in the game,Glaus at third Prado at second, platoon Diaz and Hinske in left and the same at first with Freeman and Lee. Just a suggestion.

Don’t be making comments that make sense ..Bobby doesn’t read this blog….. What are you trying to put the best team on the field?

Marvin Mangrum

September 4th, 2010
9:03 am

Thank you so much for having this space! First the person who traded for Kawakami and then gave him a major league only contract ought to be fired. Then he ought to have to pay back this contract. And then the person who keeps putting him in games with less than 30 to go ought to be fired! Hall of Fame, my rear! Can no one with the Braves see that he is worthless. Now on Lowe! His arm fell off but we gonna use him every five days, cause we need him. If you do not have a pitcher who is good then that is what you should do, because in all seriousness somebody has to loose and it may as well be us. I wouldnt do what these folks are doing in Little League. And talk of hiring Pendleton as manager to get some more of this magic. You know, since 91, one World Championship, now thats scary. One!

Navigator

September 4th, 2010
9:16 am

Another automatic loss for Kawakami, and Cox, who can’t help himself by putting the guy in the bull pen and leaving him there. Where Florida is building a team from inside to make another run, the Braves trade their youth away for has been (or never been) players from other teams. We see the end now with Philly making the run, and Braves are starting to fold, the correct ending for having the same of leadership and weak front office. Maybe the next manager will look at the youth they have starting and bring up the best from the minors and start the weading out process. Next year, no Wagner, no Kawakami, no Glaus, no Lee, no Lowe, no Farnsworth, no Gonzalez, no Cabrera, no McLouth, no Ankiel, oh yeah no Cox. They desperately need another starter, so one of the two kids (Minor & Medlin) will have to step up to full time #3 & #4. They won’t do anything this year, so maybe Wren leaves for a better job somewhere else, because he’s made nothing but bad decision here.

Saint Richt

September 4th, 2010
9:17 am

Bobby Cox should be fired for starting KK. If he sees the field for the Braves again I will be sick…….I know it costs $, but release him, you have NO shot to win last night…….

riggo

September 4th, 2010
9:17 am

Bobby lost this game for starting Kawakami. You’re in the middle of a pennant race, you can’t start your worst pitcher in any game. Also it’s better for the Braves if Lowe doesn’t pitch.

Peter

September 4th, 2010
9:21 am

Wren got us this ” Talent ” ???????? Ankiel, Lee, KK, Farsworth…….. He’s gotta GO !

bebopdeluxe

September 4th, 2010
9:23 am

To braves70…

The Phillies had SIX of their starting eight on the DL this season, as well as two of their starters, their 8th inning set-up guy and their closer. Please don’t cry about the Braves and their injuries, because the Phillies have dealt with injuries all season long. The only difference is that the Phillies are now all virtually healthy, and with Utley, Madsen, Ruiz and some of the guys who usually get run down by the end of the season fresh, they are ready to go on their usual September run.

The Braves have had a great season and should still be playing October baseball, but what is happening right now is pretty simple – the cream is rising to the top. And in October – where starting pitching tops all – the Phillies’ H2O (Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt) is leading the way. Looking forward to that Oswalt/Jurrjens matchup…

David O'Brien

September 4th, 2010
9:25 am

Peter, he’s got to go, huh? He’ll get plenty of votes as NL Executive of the Year. He’s not going anywhere anytime soon.

DaveinNEPA

September 4th, 2010
9:31 am

I thought Cox should have pulled Kamakaze after the 1st inning, it was obvious he had absolutely nothing.

Starting Kawakami, leaving him in waayy too long, holding bullpen tryouts, leaving McCann out of the lineup because of the lefty and compounding it by having Ankiel in the lineup facing a lefty, Cox managed that game as if it were a spring training game.

We have enough decent players here to win this division, but…….the manager HAS to use his head for something besides a place to park his hat!

I really can’t wait for Cox to be gone from this team.

Tim

September 4th, 2010
9:32 am

Honeymoon has been over for Ankiel. The guy couldn’t get a hit if he was play T-ball. Heck, he’d probably still stike out then too. D. Lee may be the nicest guy in the world, but he looks washed up, evenmore than Glaus. It may be Liberty’s fault, but Wren tried to improve this team with bailing wire. KK may be on waivers, but who would want to pick him up?

Peter

September 4th, 2010
9:38 am

Yes Dave……. he gets vote…….BIG DEAL…… Lowe and KK cost us how much a year ?

Perhaps he is getting votes because the other guys like other teams, and we don’t have the money to do other things like get REAL players.

We pay Lowe a #4 a #1 salary, and what is KK a 3 & starter ?

Tell me Ankiel is a starter where ? How about Farsworth ? How about Nate ?

Please the guy has done a lousy job…….. Tell me when Lee is going to produce ? After his back heals next year ? Or is he going to retire ?

Please tell me something he did that has been great ???

We have the slowest team in the league…… You can say what you want, but if it hadn’t been for 22 miracles this year we would be right where the Met’s are NOW !

what do I know?

September 4th, 2010
9:40 am

The experiment is over.. KK shouldn’t start any games… Use him when we need to finish a game loosing 12-2 in the 8th inning. Not kk’s fault. he lost his confidence. He has not been able to regain it. wish it had worked out for him. He looked like he was worth SOME money when we signed him. These ridiculous contracts are just that RIDICULOUS. Contracts should have a reasonable base and have added incentives for achieving certain goals PA’s RBI’s, HR”s innings pitch ERA etc. etc.
How many times do we see (not only Braves) when I guy gets a great 5-6 yr. contract and then fizzles out… First if he earns it by performance then great he EARNED it. If he doesn’t achieve the club is only going to pay what he was worth to the team. But then again. the word players AGENT
changes everything.

THE CURSE OF DAVID JUSTICE LIVES IN THE ATL

September 4th, 2010
9:44 am

I WISH THIS SEASON HURRY UP AND END SO BOBBY NO COACHING COX CAN GET THE HELL ON,PEOPLE HERE IN GEORGIA THINK GUYS LIKE BOBBY AND MARK RICHT DESERVE THEIR JOBS BECAUSE THEY ARE NICE AND CHRISTIAN,BEING NICE DOES NOT BRING IN TITLES PEOPLE!

P.S. BRING IN JOE TORRE TO COACH THE BRAVES,AND BRING IN KIRBY OR MUSCHAMP TO REPLACE MARK RICHT!

Peter

September 4th, 2010
9:46 am

Hey Dave go to Wikapedia…….. read about Frank Wren…..here is a quote…….

Baltimore Orioles

When Pat Gillick resigned as GM of the Orioles at the close of the 1998 season, Wren was recruited as his replacement. But the 1999 Orioles were a major disappointment. The club finished six games under .500 despite one of the highest payrolls in the game and the signing of free agent slugger Albert Belle to the most lucrative contract in baseball at the time. During the season, Wren and the team were criticized publicly by Baltimore owner Peter Angelos, and after just one season, the owner replaced Wren with veteran executive Syd Thrift.

He signed Albert Belle to the Most …..What did it say ?

” the most lucrative contract in baseball at the time.”

Look at Baltimore today……. See the Braves Future…….. Look at the Contracts for KK and Lowe……look at Nate….. sorry you can’t see the Big Picture.

David O'Brien

September 4th, 2010
9:58 am

Peter, I don’t much care what’s written on Wikipedia about Wren’s tenure with the Orioles a decade ago. Sorry, got more pertinent matters….

Curse of David Justice: Thanks for the ALL CAPS. As we’ve said before, makes it easier to know what we can skip over.

Dr Huer

September 4th, 2010
10:00 am

Time to call it quits with KK.

Reminds me of what Earl Weaver once said about an O’s player: “I gave him more chances than I gave my first wife.”

NickGranite

September 4th, 2010
10:06 am

In the space of a year, the Phillies buy and swap aces (Lee, Halladay and Oswalt) like we flip minor leaguers between double and triple A. The underachievers went and got Oswalt when it was caving in on them. Basically, they are an American League East team, spending there way to championships while we fight and claw with the scrap from the journeyman junkyard, a rookie and a few players who emerged out of nowhere (Prado and Infante). We lose Medlen (himself a kid) and a suddenly hot Chipper. We are the scrappy braves and we’ll go down fighting and remember all this smack talk when we have a line-up that starts Infante, Prado, Jones, Heyward, Freeman, McCann next year.

Ill-a-delph

September 4th, 2010
10:12 am

The calendar has turned to September and the Phillies are doing what the Phillies do…

Alan 10

September 4th, 2010
10:14 am

Good morning CRY BABIES, I hope you have a field day for the rest of the month, one thing for sure you must not have an ounce of Braves blood in you because you don’t stand by the team.

HOPE YOU THE REAL LOSERS HAVE A GREAT LABOR DAY WHINNING. !!!!!!!!!!!!

Ill-a-delph

September 4th, 2010
10:14 am

All of the Phillies talent, with the exception of Halladay and Oswalt, is either homegrown or rule 5, savvy pickups like Victorino and Werth, Victorino was discarded by the Dodgers and Werth was a former 1st round pick, with injury history, that was given up on by the league – the Phillies are a CLASS organization, anything to the contrary is said out of ignorance

Ill-a-delph

September 4th, 2010
10:17 am

…and as another poster said, the cream is rising to the top and the pretenders are falling off – the Phillies are healthy for the first time all year, its not an excuse, its just a fact – in the end no one will remember that the Braves were in first place for the whole summer, just that the Phillies won their 4th straight NL East crown – sorry to burst your bubble bravos fans, I almost feel bad for you…

Ward

September 4th, 2010
10:19 am

Go back and read bobbymahlon again folks…that was “reality” using best available “tools” for scoring runs. To leave a”slug” in the lineup for the one time per game you need his arm seems shortsighted.I would rather have Glaus take four AB than see what “the best arm in baseball” did last night.
This is a pennant race and it will kick us in the gut….but at least we are playing meaningful games in September…Remember: last WS was 1999, last NL pennant effort was 2001 and we were kicked out 4 years in a row in the 5 game series….I am willing to watch the 2010 effort for the possibility we can go somewhere with this interesting group.
Just DO NOT start KK again this season.

Ill-a-delph

September 4th, 2010
10:20 am

I’m really sensing a lot of despair and frustration from the braves fans, funny thing is, the whole summer as we trailed, and continue to trail by 1 game, the braves, you heard nothing but confidence and bravado from the Phillies fans, because we know how good our team is, we know their track history of September baseball, we KNOW how this will turn out (while the braves fans just HOPE how it will turn out).

THE CURSE OF DAVID JUSTICE LIVES IN THE ATL

September 4th, 2010
10:29 am

TRUTH HURTS DONT IT DAVID?

P.S. SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN MANNY,I THOUGHT DERRICK LEE WAS THE ANSWER? NOT

coachk

September 4th, 2010
10:35 am

Well the good news we are still in first!! the bad news is we look tired. I truely believe in team chemistry and did not like the ankiel or lee deals. glaus just needed some rest and we could have brought freddie up and used hinski. we have less than one month and can I get someone on this team to get the f@#k fired up!! we are not doing the little things. Move Prado back to leadoff, put omar 2nd, heyward 3rd, mac, glaus,cabrerra,lee,ankiel pitcher. Yes glaus at 3rd, omar at ss and prado at 2nd lee at first, gonzales is useless and wish we still had Escobar, he was a player, yes with attitude, guess what we need some not the layback crap that Bobby uses. Time to man up and take what is ours. Its why this team only has 1 championship, no guts,we play like no worry we got tomorrow ilnstead of taking today.

David O'Brien

September 4th, 2010
10:36 am

Curse of David Justice: In all CAPS or in the conventional way most people type, Derrek Lee’s name is spelled Derrek, or DERREK, but not DERRICK.

jim

September 4th, 2010
10:50 am

Some of these posts are just angry vents with no coherent thought. Some criticism of mgt is justified.
Cox should not have started KK — Who should he have started? The decision to send Martinez down after the 4 inning stint last Sunday was probably made because he was unavailable for a few days and the team needed another arm in the pen, but with Lowe unable to start, it stripped the team of the only other viable choice for tonight’s start.
Starting Ankiel in CF — not to get his bat in the lineup, but to cover the ground in a big CF. Didn’t we see how Melky is able to play CF in the last Met game?

Management bears some blame for the Ankiel and Lee trades and the way it has handled the movement of pitchers between the Braves and AAA. We don’t get Kimbrel and Martinez back for another few days and they should have been kept on the roster before Sept 1. The office outwsmarted itself with those moves.
The Braves were the most patient team in the league, still drawing the most walks, but since the trades, this lineup is no longer that group. Ankiel, Lee, and Infante are much less patient hitters than the players they replaced, Blanco, Glaus, and Chipper (Particularly the first 2). If we had kept Blanco, Chavez, and Collins, we would have a better OBP in CF, a bullpen arm they might have sent to AAA instead of Martinez to add Kimbrel for one day, and a promising reliever that just might contribute something in a game like last night right now.
I have seen enough of Lee — He can’t catch up to a good fastball and the lacksidasical play at 1B when Huddy raced over to field a ball before it rolled foul — He is not an upgrade over Glaus offensively, and a platoon of Glaus and Freeman gives us a better option than Lee.
I am not a critic of Wren. The fact that a team that had the 6th worst record in MLB 2 years ago is now fighting for a division crown is a testament to the fact that he must have done a lot to make that happen, But the pre/post deadline deals were not the wisest moves when the internal options were better.

dave

September 4th, 2010
10:52 am

A 5.11 ERA for KK? I didn’t realize it was that low.

JEE

September 4th, 2010
11:05 am

Cox is loyal to a fault, but really look what he has done with a 3 man pitching staff the rest are stiffs. 2 ex utility infielders, a worn out 3rd baseman, retread 1st basemen, and with the exception of J-Hey, a lot of number 4 or 5 outfielders.

Keith

September 4th, 2010
11:07 am

Would it be beneficial for us to just cut KK? What would he be guaranteed if we did?

DOB, yes, seriously. DId you know that just about anyone can post on Wikipedia? :P

jim

September 4th, 2010
11:11 am

I assume Lowe is one of the stiffs, but which of the other 4/5 is the second stiff? Hudson, Hanson, JJ, Medlen/Minor?

Keith

September 4th, 2010
11:15 am

Re: ill-a-delph

No knee-jerk reactions here. :) I know how good and resilient this team has been this year. And it’s going to come down our matchups vs each other in 6 games…if there’s a clear winner from those series, then we’ll probably have a good idea who will clinch the division. If we come to a draw, then it will be one heck of a race.

Only thing I was frustrated about was pitching KK last night. But I’m glad he bombed, because I think it was bad enough that we won’t pitch him again.

AdirondackDave

September 4th, 2010
11:21 am

David Ross seems to be smart and a guy with a really good baseball mind. I wish Mac had another position to play so Ross could be first string behind the plate. I know, not going to happen.

Brava

September 4th, 2010
11:23 am

The gloom and doom here is stifling. Hey Braves fans, why don’t you get a little optimism here and stop feeding the Phillies’ nasty trolls. The more you post about how the sky is falling, the more they enjoy it and rub in your faces.

Seriously, though, if I were a Phillies fan, I certainly wouldn’t be here gloating when my team won by one run at home against a pitcher with a 4.62 ERA and a team with a .463 record. I’d be a bit worried and certainly wouldn’t be bragging about how great they are and how “the cream is coming to the top” or they are “taking what is rightfully theirs”.

No, as a Braves’ fan, I have a lot of humility. We don’t have superstars who should consistently slug homers, we seldom field the same lineup from one day to the next, our starting pitching is showing signs of fatigue, and we’ve struggled all year on the road while maintaining the best home record in baseball. Should the Braves be where they are, contending for a run at the post-season? The odds would say, no, but, they are. I don’t know about the rest of you, Braves fans, but I’m proud as hell of that.

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