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Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:06 pm
Anders, most probably stay away so they don’t subject their families to Mets baseball (Brian)
Uh-huh. Just saying – for all the “Liberty is cheap” squawking that goes on here, they give you guys a 1st place club and the fans only show up on the weekends. Two way street – that money thing.
Gibby
September 1st, 2010
12:07 pm
Video is now blocked by MLB. Too bad Was probably good to see
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2010
12:09 pm
The 1933 Yankees were 62-15 at home. In the 162-game era, the ‘61 Yankees were 65-16.
In summary, that ship has passed for the Braves this year. I don’t think anyone will ever do that again, actually.
Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:09 pm
True, the Mets now draw crowds at Turner Field like the Nationals, Marlins, and Pirates. Congrats. (Brian)
So Braves fans come to see the “other” team? That’s your definition of a “Braves” fan? Interesting.
BTW- The Braves drew 30K, 43K, and 38K for the Marlins over last weekend so you might want to rethink your position on what the cause is.
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2010
12:10 pm
Wow, Anders…so the Mets have moved below the Marlins on the opponents’ scale. That’s eye-opening. Thanks for posting.
Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:11 pm
Brian- you’re better than that. Lame answer.
DAP
September 1st, 2010
12:12 pm
haggardeee Sometimes I look back and wonder how regular, deep, REM sleep could have seemed so important
its neither here nor there, but did you know REM is actually your shallowest sleep cycle? and the most restful. “deep” sleep actually doesnt help you rest…(which is why some sleeping pills put you to sleep but dont really help you rest)
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2010
12:15 pm
Anders, obviously, the Braves, like just about every other team in baseball, have bigger crowds on the weekends. The crowd this week at Turner Field is typical of a mid-week series with the Nationals, Marlins, and Pirates. Used to be the Mets drew better than that in Atlanta. That’s the point.
I personally don’t care all that much about attendance. I’m satisfied with the Braves’ attendance numbers this year. It’s as good as can be expected. I’d rather average 28,000 and be in first place than to average 35,000 and be in 4th place.
Frankie Wren
September 1st, 2010
12:15 pm
Anders,
What Pelprey do we see tonight?
Shaun
September 1st, 2010
12:18 pm
DOB, I’m probably coming across as too harsh. I don’t think anyone can deny Hudson’s performance this year. I think what I’m trying to get across is that I think he falls just short of deserving of the Cy Young. But as a fan of Hudson’s and the Braves, I’m glad voters don’t do too much digging.
CraZyTRaDeMaN ©
September 1st, 2010
12:19 pm
ARODYS VIZCAINO (2.30 ERA) goes 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R/ER, 0 BB, 1 SO. Why he was pulled after one I was unable to ascertain.
nscoots, maybe to prove he’s ok to other teams in case he is needed in a trade this off season.
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2010
12:19 pm
By the way, of the three division leaders in the NL, the Braves have the highest average attendance. So it isn’t all about whether you’re contending or not.
Frankie Wren
September 1st, 2010
12:22 pm
With the Cardinals coming in for four games next weekend and the Phils the last series, Braves will be 13th in attendance(up from 15th last season). Real question is what will playoffs bring.
Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:22 pm
I personally don’t care all that much about attendance. I’m satisfied with the Braves’ attendance numbers this year. It’s as good as can be expected. I’d rather average 28,000 and be in first place than to average 35,000 and be in 4th place. (Brian)
That’s fine, but when Liberty limits the payroll you can’t squawk. 18K for the team with the best home record in baseball and in 1st place is/should be alarming on any night of the week imo. I mean. where are all the fans? They should be able to get 30K in their a night with how the team has played.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2010
12:23 pm
Crazy, valid point at 12:19. I probably blocked that possibility out mentally, LOL. I would not like to see that occur.
Glen W
September 1st, 2010
12:24 pm
Shaun, I’m not a huge Buster Olney fan, but I do skim his blog most days. He made a good point the other day re: award voting.
He said something along the lines of “I don;t understand people who say that we should vote based upon what should have happened instead of what did happen.”
I thought it was a good point.
CraZyTRaDeMaN ©
September 1st, 2010
12:26 pm
Scoots, I’d choose him to be traded over Delgado and Teheran.
bubba
September 1st, 2010
12:27 pm
Hudson for Cy Young? Only if he was a big headed Clemens. Start Juicin’ Huddy then you can be great like Clemens!
Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:27 pm
Frankie Wren – the weekends are a given for most teams. Where the owners make their hay is the week day games down the stretch when bigger than usual crowds should be showing up for a team in contention. I mean the owners do expect a “taste” at some point when the team they’ve constructed gives the fans what they’ve been screaming they want.
As for the playoffs attendance- well the fact that that is even a discussion speaks volumes.
David O'Brien
September 1st, 2010
12:27 pm
The LaRoche prank was blocked on youtube, but is still up at Deadspin: http://bit.ly/b4LQmc
Shaun
September 1st, 2010
12:30 pm
Glen W, that is a good point. It’s not Hudson’s fault even if he is getting great defense, great defensive positioning or good luck. I understand I’m probably going too far with the argument. I don’t want to say that Hudson is nowhere near the Cy Young discussion. I just think he falls short of deserving largely because if you have a bunch of guys who are essentially equal in the important, on-the-surface stats, I think you have to look for tie-breakers and I think Hudson benefiting from defense and luck or chance or whatever you want to call it is something that probably should be considered.
Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:33 pm
Speaking of a “taste”. I was sitting about 10 rows behind “Bobby” from the Sopranos at Yankee stadium last night. My god they treat him like a rock star there. He was gripping and grinning with everyone and sat in a different seat every other inning. When he left most of the fans in our section gave him a standing ovation and he left waving like a sitting president with a 4 guy posse all around him. I was interested enough to see him but I was not standing up to clap. Talk about a guy living off one hit. Geez.
Shaun
September 1st, 2010
12:33 pm
Let’s just agree that I’m glad Hudson’s BABiP is so low and I’m glad he’s getting outs as often as he does and I’m glad he’s not giving up many runs. I think that’s something we can all agree on, no matter our views on what voters should and shouldn’t consider when voting on the Cy Young. As a fan, I hope Hudson wins it and I do think Hudson is having an outstanding year, even if he’s not on the top of my Cy Young list. He really is one of my favorite pitchers of all time, believe it or not.
Scrub
September 1st, 2010
12:34 pm
could Freeman start tonight? or will he just be used as pinch hitter?
Jake W.
September 1st, 2010
12:34 pm
I wouldn’t worry about the braves payroll figures. We have proven that we can function quite well at our current payroll. Took some years to adjust to it being lower but its not like we are poor or something.(For the record I have never been one of those to complain about the payroll either). The question to me is how the mets manage to have such dysfunction with their payroll and for a team that plays in the biggest market in the country, yankees or not.
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2010
12:35 pm
As for the playoffs attendance- well the fact that that is even a discussion speaks volumes.
Well there’s one thing you don’t have to worry about this year. Seriously, congrats to you on our poor attendance. I’m sure it’s a wonderful salve for your mess of a baseball team.
Long Time Braves Fan
September 1st, 2010
12:36 pm
Good Afternoon. I have been off blog past few days [ computer trouble ], as always Lew voice of reason. The team doing fine past few games.
Willy Wally
September 1st, 2010
12:37 pm
There have been 376 seasons in the last 55 years of a starting pitcher having a BABIP as low or lower than Hudson’s this season (with a minimum of 144 IP). So, about 7 a season. There have been 431 such instances of a pitcher having a BABIP of .250 or lower in the past 55 years. So, about 8 a year. There have been 619 instances of a pitcher having a BABIP of .255 or lower in the last 55 years. So, about 11 a year. There have been 897 instances of a pitcher having a BABIP of .260 or lower in the past 55 years. So, about 16 pitchers a year. There have been 1218 instances of a .265 BABIP or lower over the past 55 years. So, about 22 a year. There have been 1558 instances of a BABIP of .270 or lower over the past 55 years. So, about 28 a year. Make of it what you will.
Brian from SC
September 1st, 2010
12:38 pm
And you will never find a single post from me complaining about Liberty or the payroll. I don’t pay much attention to that kind of stuff. I’m more of a fan of what’s happening on the field.
GboroBravo
September 1st, 2010
12:38 pm
DOB, just finished the entire series of The Wire last night…great show. What was your favorite season? I liked season 3, but felt that season 4 was an actual better story all together. Season 3 just completed the story from the first 2 seasons.
GTSteve
September 1st, 2010
12:40 pm
Anders, any word on the Mets cleaning house in the offseason……nothing personal, but they have been a train wreck the last few seasons, and have spent alot of moolah
Willy Wally
September 1st, 2010
12:42 pm
Anders, you do remember Mike and the Mad Dog routinely ripping the Mets fans in 2007 and 2008 for not showing up in September, right? A ton of empty seats at Shea when your team was in contention for their collapses.
ncscoots
September 1st, 2010
12:42 pm
I’d choose [Vizcaino] to be traded over Delgado and Teheran.
I dunno. I’ve only seen Vizcaino twice and Delgado only three times, so I don’t think I have enough info to make that call. Other than to say that I don’t think it’s a no-brainer either way.
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2010
12:42 pm
I think its nice when all we get to complain about is poor weekday attendance or perceived superiority because of unsustainable BABiP.
That KJ video was fun, DOB. I think it’s that time of the season. Should have more fun stuff over the next month.
Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:45 pm
Anders, you do remember Mike and the Mad Dog routinely ripping the Mets fans in 2007 and 2008 for not showing up in September, right? (Willy Wally)
No, frankly I do not. Maybe someone on here with more ingenuity than me can get these figures for us?
Snotboogie
September 1st, 2010
12:47 pm
Anders, any word on the Mets cleaning house in the offseason……
Manuel has gone to be on thin ice right? He looks kind of helpless. Its not like they dont have enough talent to turn it around, but they have a few holes to fill – nothing too tough. Might be better for them if they let Minaya and Manuel go and start fresh.
Shaun
September 1st, 2010
12:48 pm
Until someone can provide some sort of evidence that Atlanta is not one of the top 30 cities for baseball attendance when everything everything else is equal, no one should make a big deal about attendance.
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Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:50 pm
GT Steve – clearly Manuel’s gone. Suprisingly it sounding like Minaya stays. I’d move him at this point and get Kevin Tower in. If Minaya does stay I won’t be suprised to see Bobby V back in the dug out.
As for the players – that’s even tougher. They’re stuck with Perez and Castillo. Plus Beltran just doesn’t look near what he was. He has to move to right if he wants to keep playing. I just don’t have the faith that he’ll do it willingly and with any enthusiasm. Could be another fire starter. I think he’ll demand a trade before he agrees to it.
That’s enough for now – no?
CraZyTRaDeMaN ©
September 1st, 2010
12:50 pm
ncscoots, really the only one I wouldn’t trade is Teheran. You would have to get something pretty special for the others.
Blair
September 1st, 2010
12:53 pm
The Mets are the worst ran organization in baseball. They contrast horribly with Atlanta. New York needs to clean house in their front office.
Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:54 pm
Gotta step out for a bit. See you later if time permits.
Oh somebody asked me which Pelfrey we’ll see tonight. Well he’s pitched better of late, but then again so had Niese. So….
I think Pelf struggles and is lucky to last 5 or 6 innings. The Mets have quit and he needs the energy behind him to be effective and I just don’t think it will be there tonight.
Anders
September 1st, 2010
12:55 pm
It must almost be playoff time – Blair showed up. Anybody here of this guy the last 4 or 5 years since the Braves played October ball?
ncscoots
September 1st, 2010
12:55 pm
You would have to get something pretty special for the others.
Well, any offseason trade that actually meets the club’s needs (as I see them, anyway) is gonna hurt, in one way or another. I wouldn’t like to see either of those kids traded, but it takes what it takes.
TennesseePaul
September 1st, 2010
12:55 pm
Until someone can provide some sort of evidence that Atlanta is not one of the top 30 cities for baseball attendance when everything everything else is equal, no one should make a big deal about attendance
I’d really like some one to present that evidence as well. I want to see the documentation on how Atlanta comes in 31st out of 30 teams.
DAP
September 1st, 2010
12:57 pm
fixing the mets wont be easy, since what they need to most is their under-contract players to be healthy. if im minaya, or whoever the GM ends up being, i bulk up that pitching staff as much as possible, and wait for some contracts to expire. they might have some leeway if they end up voiding k-rods contract.
NC State Nate
September 1st, 2010
12:57 pm
Great prank by Roachy. Anyone think the Braves will try to pull one on Bobby before the season is over? Chipper and Medlen have got to be getting bored sitting on the bench…
DAP
September 1st, 2010
12:58 pm
the NL east is a very competitive division, and its about to get even tougher, because washington is on the way up.
Scout
September 1st, 2010
1:00 pm
raleighbravesfan- I’m confused. Whose selling Nolan Ryan short? I think most pitchers would consider him one of the greatest pitchers of all time.
T for Texas
September 1st, 2010
1:00 pm
Why he was pulled after one I was unable to ascertain.
He is working as their closer, only pitched bottom 9.
Arkansas Transplant
September 1st, 2010
1:01 pm
I really don’t see why would be thinking trade in the offseason. What exactly would we be looking for? We’re already pretty much set for next season. Only spots that would actually need upgrading would possibly be CF and LF. Don’t think we’re really going to go out and get someone for those positions seeing how we’re already going to be paying Mclouth, Diaz and possibly Cabrera.
T for Texas
September 1st, 2010
1:02 pm
Whoops that is Arodys not Aroldis.
NEW CARS
September 1st, 2010
1:04 pm
DOB,
Any chance you think Bobby gets a wild hair and plays FF against a RH pitcher. He has a history of putting guys coming up in early and I worry that Lee will have trouble keeping up with the high, hard stuff. Would be a litte leap of faith, but not totally out of Cox’s character
Blair
September 1st, 2010
1:05 pm
Anders, if I were a Mets fan, with a top-5 payroll in baseball… I’d want the people responsible for putting that team on the field fired. Just me though….
DAP
September 1st, 2010
1:05 pm
arkansas transplant I really don’t see why would be thinking trade in the offseason. What exactly would we be looking for?
outfielders, probably.
Don’t think we’re really going to go out and get someone for those positions seeing how we’re already going to be paying Mclouth, Diaz and possibly Cabrera.
that remains to be seen.
Shaun
September 1st, 2010
1:07 pm
The White Sox attendance is similar to the Braves. They play in a bigger city (albeit one they share with another team) and they’ve been about as successful as any team in the AL over the past 10 years besides the Yankees and Red Sox. I don’t see anyone making a huge deal about the White Sox’s attendance.
T for Texas
September 1st, 2010
1:08 pm
Glad to see the Rockies fall to 4 1/2games back in the wild card. That is a team I would not want the Braves to face in a 5 game series, not with their stellar home field record and with Ubaldo going in games 1 and 5 on the road. That would be tough.
Carroll Rogers
September 1st, 2010
1:17 pm
new focal blog is up!
Willy Wally
September 1st, 2010
1:29 pm
The Braves have drawn 2 million or more fans in a season 20 years in a row.
The longest streak of drawing 2 million or more fans in a season for the Yankees is 15 years (1996-2010).
The longest streak of drawing 2 million or more fans in a season for the Mets is 13 years (1998-2010).
The Braves have drawn 3 million or more fans in a season 6 times. The Mets? 5 times.
The Yankees have drawn 2.3 million or more fans in a season only 21 times. The Mets have drawn 2.3 million or more fans only 17 times. The Braves have done it 18 years in a row. This will be the 19th season in a row.
abwright
September 1st, 2010
2:20 pm
Shaun, Huddy has a brand new elbow (and maybe a healthier shoulder). It’s not too realistic to compare 2010 Huddy versus career Huddy, since the underlying model has changed. A .244 BABiP might be the new Huddy (at least until fatigue or injury again change the model) or it might be luck or a combination of both.