3:31 pm August 31, 2010, by David O'Brien
September 1st, 20108:15 am
Padres lose again, and now look who’s tied for the best record in the NL – Braves and Reds.
September 1st, 20108:24 am
Tim Hudson is certainly “in the zone.” Having played indy ball, I know that sinkers are among the tougher pitches to square up! All we (Braves) have to do is score for him. He’ll win it. Colorado and St. Louis are falling in their respective divisions.
September 1st, 20108:33 am
Something to consider with Frenchy. He was just traded to the team (and hitting coach) that he visited a few years back, while he was with the Braves, that pissed TP off. Just sayin’
Rudy Jamarillo is no longer the Batting Coach for the Rangers. He has the same position with the Cubs.
Brian from SC
September 1st, 20108:42 am
Rudy Jamarillo is no longer the Batting Coach for the Rangers. He has the same position with the Cubs.
That’s preposterous. If that was true, the Cubs would be scoring 8 runs a game. Oh, wait…
September 1st, 20108:48 am
Last night was a great night for the Braves. Most importantly, obviously, they won. The Padres lost, giving the Braves, for now, home field advantage throughout the playoffs. (They own the tiebreaker with Cincinnati due to head-to-head record.) The Phillies winning was not really such a bad thing. I want the Phillies to win the wild card so that the Braves can get the Padres or Reds in the first round, both of which are favorable matchups. Let the Phillies go on the road in the first round and see if they can make it out. I don’t want to see the Giants or Cardinals in the first round. Of course, the Cardinals look dead in the water.
September 1st, 20108:49 am
How can the Cardinals be dead in the water? According to their media, they have the MVP, the Cy Young winner and the Rookie of the Year.
September 1st, 20108:53 am
rico43: Yea THEIR media!!!!!!
September 1st, 20108:54 am
I would much rather san fran win the wild card than philly. Im cheering for them we could handle san fran easier than philly
McFann ♥ :Ô: ♥ :Ô: ♥
September 1st, 20108:57 am
Brian from SC The Padres lost, giving the Braves, for now, home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
Oh, HECK yeah!
I was thinking about it last night, and was like, “Wow…the Braves get to the World Series, and they’ve really got a chance, I mean they’ve REALLY got a chance!” Just sorta hit me…
That was great feeling!
Braves tied with cincy for the best record in the NL. The Braves have scored 633 runs compared to the Reds 663. The Braves have only had 504 runs scored against them and the Reds 571.
bravofan, we wouldn’t play Philly in the first round if they win the wild card. If the Giants win the wild card we play them, assuming we finish with the best record. I would rather play the Reds or Padres than the Giants. That’s assuming we finish with a better record and get them at home, of course.
September 1st, 20109:02 am
how would the Braves get home field when there tied with cincy? did they win the season series against them? I think they did
Brian I would rather play the Reds or Padres than the Giants.
Did I hear that Freeman is the youngest player in IL this year? And did he win the MVP? That’s pretty amazing.
September 1st, 20109:05 am
Giants have a pretty difficult schedule this month, I just don’t see them getting wildcard as the East should have two teams playing. Unless the Cards sweep the Braves next week(don’t think so) put a fork in them.
September 1st, 20109:06 am
brian: gotcha I got it now. Yea I would definitley rather play against cincy than san fran. Especially since we have a huge mental edge over the reds in my opinion
September 1st, 20109:10 am
Yes, we own the tiebreaker with the Reds and the Padres if we are tied with either of them. Having home field advantage would make the Braves favorites to win the NL pennant IMO.
September 1st, 20109:12 am
I would rather play the Reds or Padres than the Giants.
im honestly not too worried about who we play, because i think we are the best team in the NL, and we can beat any of them.
September 1st, 20109:13 am
September 1st, 20109:15 am
Having home field advantage would make the Braves favorites to win the NL pennant IMO
The way the team is playing at home this season… home field advantage should shoot them all the way to the WS title.
September 1st, 20109:16 am
The reason Turner field is not sold out all the time is the fan base.
(1) We have fans all over the country
(2) Too many transplants in Atlanta. People move here from everywhere.
They were born and grew up..Met fans, Boston fans,NY Yankee fans etc.
(3) Stadium is located in poor, dangerous, unsafe area.
toots: your beating a dead horse man
September 1st, 20109:17 am
Braves played .620 ball(18-11) in August and the Phils were 18-10 and only gained a half game in the standings. Give credit to both teams as they are not buckling at all.
September 1st, 20109:18 am
Only because I have experienced it first hand. I cringe when I see out of state cars parking in those off site lots..poor folks don’t know they are putting themselves at risk..
September 1st, 20109:23 am
i don’t think it matters who the braves meet in the playoffs. i don’t think it really matters. as long as the braves get home field throughout, because with this team..well that most certainly matters and could make the difference between a championship and and early exit.
September 1st, 20109:25 am
Brian, I don’t believe that I would be pulling for the Phillies to win at this point – so that they can win the Wild Card.
Let’s just hope that they don’t end up winning enough to have the Division lead.
September 1st, 20109:28 am
Didn’t McLouth hit in the .220s at AAA. If so, what is he doing back up. Of course, he could give some options and be of some benefit as a late inning defensive replacement or a pinch runner. Whoops, I forgot, Booby is still the Manager – and who knows how much he could use him.
September 1st, 20109:32 am
Have asked this before – If it was answered, failed to see it.
Almost half (Twelve) of the Braves remaining games are with Florida and Washington. What is the Braves record this season against these teams?
September 1st, 20109:33 am
10Paul The way the team is playing at home this season… home field advantage should shoot them all the way to the WS title.
Don – I actually agree with you (9:25) – Are you sure that’s really you?
I think home field is much more important than who we play. All teams will be tough.Of course match-ups are second only to home field.
Interesting overnight back and forth.
Do people seriously believe that even though we might have some better attendance than we do that the Braves would even be on any kind of a list for relocation? Y’all are seriously delusional.
Now as to the Home Field Advantage – yeah, it would be nice, especially considering our Home Record, but I think people are looking at the recent sweep by the Rockies on the road and freaking out. We’re not a great road team by any means, but if you take out April with the losing streak and those losses in St. Louis now that we’re no longer that team, it might just surprise you to realize that the Braves are 8-8-1 in Road Series – dead even and not as bad as we think. They were 1-3 in road series in April and that makes it look much worse.
And where has this offense come from? Looks like DLee may be heating up and Heyward’s thumb is feeling better. And isn’t that two year extension for Ross looking more genius with each start the Dude makes?
September 1st, 20109:35 am
don-You know, as to the Braves’ record against those teams, you could just look it up, but why ruin your track record of not fact checking?
September 1st, 20109:36 am
I’m not much of a McLouth fan, although I am a fan of as many options as possible. That being said, he contributed positively last night by working the count full and getting on base during a big inning. (He can’t get credit for getting hit by pitch, but that would have been ball four, and he’s on base).
September 1st, 20109:39 am
I don’t think .Don is too lazy to look up those records, I think he is trying to make a point, he just can’t get anyone to bite
Nova Scotia Steve -
Lew – Looks like DLee may be heating up and Heyward’s thumb is feeling better.
This is very very very exciting
September 1st, 20109:40 am
But just because I doubt you have the mental capabilities of looking up their record, here it is -7-5 against the Marlins and 6-6 against the Nationals.
And just in case you missed it, these records have been included in our first place, League Leading Record for the season, so what’s your point?
September 1st, 20109:41 am
Lew@9:33 – All good points. It looks like Bobby’s patience may be paying off a la D. Lee. If he is heating up, it will be a BIG plus. His defense is already paying off. All the “fantacy teamers” who immediately called for Lee’s dismissal, and derided and abused Wren, may be eating their words (once again).
September 1st, 20109:43 am
NSS-ure as hell works for me. Now with Mac raking, too………..
GTSteve-Maybe he’s not too lazy, but he hasn’t checked a fact yet before he’s opened his mouth, so I figured he wouldn’t now, either. I just wanted to see what idiotic conclusion he’d draw from our record against those two teams. Should be good for a laugh – or yet another groan.
September 1st, 20109:45 am
With you on the ROSS extension. Time for a deal with INFANTE? And maybe DIAZ too?
@Lew, yeah, he is just fishing..so I will play along..hey I see where half the games left (15) are at home…what is the Braves record at home this year
September 1st, 20109:47 am
Only games left outside division are at Pittsburg, and Cards at home. We should win 4-5 of those games. Last 2 sreies of the year are at home vs. Florida and Phillies. I like our chances, and don’t even care what the Phillies’ schedule looks like.
richbrave_INfante? Absolutely – Martin, too.
Diaz? Not as certain there. I like Matt, but he will command a pretty big salary and I just don’t think they’ll pay that kind of bucks for a part time, pinch hitting, never really achieves when he plays full time type of guy. Maybe if he could play against the Marlins all the time…….?
September 1st, 20109:49 am
raleigh…even though you don’t care I’ve been looking at it and Braves/Phillies are about even from a schedule perspective. The Padres have a tough road home.
.Don, I’m not “rooting” for the Phillies to win. I don’t think it’s such a bad thing for them to win, as long as the Braves are winning too. Obviously the worst thing that could happen is for the Phillies to pass the Braves. That at least takes away home field for the first round.
September 1st, 20109:51 am
I really feel this team will play even more at a higher level as the playoffs near. They have held serve with all the distractions(Chipper out, Glaus struggles, Medlin injury, struggles with Lowe, JJ and Tommy). D Lee hit over .300 after the break before he came over so the panic obviously was a little premature. He will play a big role in what happens. I like what Joe S mentioned on TV yesterday regarding teams have to be aware of his bat and his presence. What he has done in the past helps in how pitchers will approach him. Martin and B Mac will benefit from Lee being in the lineup.
Brian…I could look it up but figure you know…if Braves are wild card and have best record the Division winner gets home field?
September 1st, 20109:53 am
richbrave – I agree. Ross was great move. Infante should be tied up for at least 3 years.
September 1st, 20109:54 am
I think the Diaz extension is easier than an Infante extension. I think the Braves and Diaz are on the same page regarding his role and value to the team. I’ve said it before, but I see a 2 year extension in the neighborhood of $5M.
As for Infante, this is the type of scenario in which there could be a big gap between what the player and agent think is warranted and what the team thinks. How do you assess Infante’s market value? As an every day player? if yes, which position? That’s a bit of a messy one.
September 1st, 20109:55 am
Glen, Matt would have to be very, very generous to accept a 2-year deal for 5 million. He stands to make that in one year next year in arbitration. The Braves may have to non-tender him, so maybe Diaz would accept just to avoid that possibility. But that’s definitely not standard operating procedure for a player. Diaz does seem to march to a different drummer sometimes…
September 1st, 20109:57 am
GlenW-Infante’s already signed with a club extension in 211 at $2.5 mil. Unless he has another season at the levels he’s now hitting, no one is going to give him more than $5 mil a year, IMO. I bet they could get him to bite on a 3 year, $12.5 – 15 mil deal without much problem.
September 1st, 20109:58 am
Yes. Wild card would never get home field advantage, unless it’s the NL Wild Card in the World Series.
A 2-year deal for 3 million next year and 5 million the following year would probably get Matt interested.
I have a hard time seeing the Braves having payroll room for Diaz and Cabrera both on the team next year. I know most here will probably say they like Diaz better, and I can see why, but Cabrera plays all three outfield positions, switch hits, and is younger. It would be hard to keep Diaz if it’s a choice between the two.
September 1st, 20109:59 am
But I’m not so certain they would offer hi that kind of $$$$$. He’s already 30 and this IS a career year.
September 1st, 201010:00 am
Brian SC, re: Diaz, I agree he would get more via arbitration. But he is a classic non-tender candidate, just like Melky. Teams don’t typically take guys they don’t see playing full time to a 2nd or 3rd arbitration, if they have played enough in the past to move their value up.
I think the Braves and Diaz will avoid the non-tender scenario by agreeing on a two-year deal. If Diaz does not want to do that, I guess he can go see if another team would pay him more, but I don’t think that will happen.
I just looked and Diaz is making $2.55M this year. The Braves would not suggest a cut in salary, so I’ll predcit 2 years and somewhere between $5.75-6.0M.
September 1st, 201010:01 am
I love how on Baseball tonight every 10 minutes they post that stupid Triple Crown race between Votto and Albert. I can’t wait until the seasons almost over and Baseball Tonight realize Infante has a much higher avg than both Votto and Albert even with the 0′fer added. How great would it be if Omar somehow ruined a possible triple crown?
tiger297 – I did look at Phillies schedule. Only out of division is on current road trip, with 1 more at LA one make-up Thursday at Colorado, and weekend at Milwakee. They do have a lot of games in a row with the CO game on on “off” day, and a double header make-up at Florida coming up. If we keep winning, it doesn’t matter who we play.
Wild card is never home team.
Nah, Infante’s not really a candidate for extension right now. He’s having a career year, and is signed very affordably next year. If he’s doing this again next year, then you think about it.
Would your proposed 3-year deal for Infante begin in 2011, or 2012 (meaning, are you overriding the option with the deal, or extending behind the option)?
Coach (2011 or Bust)
Glen W , the Braves hold an option on Infante for 2011 but yes, he is earning his keep as an everyday player.
As for Diaz, I’m not so sure. Hey, I love the guy but he isn’t very athletic. Matty’s pretty much limited to LF and pinch hitting. He just might not be back next year but I hope I’m wrong.
September 1st, 201010:02 am
Lee seems to be starting to hit — But most of it, so far, seems to be in wide margin games. Let’s hope he continues hitting – and in the close games and agaisnt good pitching.
September 1st, 201010:03 am
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I bet FW has something along these lines in mind….remember he traded for Omar and put him in a situation to thrive.
September 1st, 201010:04 am
at least the phillies have a day game today. i like knowing whether or not they win or lose before i watch the braves play.
It is too bad that a pitcher can’t be judged on the job he does as it relates to the type of pitcher he is. As it was mentioned, Hudson is not a strikeout pitcher but strikeouts are weighed heavily when voting for this award.
Lew, I know that the Braves have an option on Infante for next year. And they will certainly exercise it. I was just responding to someone’s earlier post. If Infante has a season next year like this one, he’ll be in a position to go look for a deal in the neighborhood of 3 years or so at $6-8M per.
I don’t know if he’ll get that from anyone, but I think that’s what he would go looking for.
September 1st, 201010:05 am
I don’t have anything to back this up, but I would bet the Braves merchandise, souvenirs, jerseys, etc is far greater than the teams that draw the same attendance. The Braves are the Southeast’s team and in a way the real America’s Team not to mention people like Nova Scotia Steve up in Canada. Back when WTBS carried all the games, cable systems in all of North America picked up WTBS and the Braves were shown 162 times a year in every corner of North America. Just because people don’t drive hundreds of miles to go to a game does not mean they don’t have millions and millions of fans that follow every move.
September 1st, 201010:06 am
Maybe this has been discussed already, but did you see Frank Wren’s comments about Nate being on the post season roster?
Frank said Nate brings speed, defense, and some other things that would be helpful.
Huh? The same defense that was criticized (by Chipper) when Nate was sent down?
With Ankiel being in CF, are they thinking about substituting Nate in LF for Diaz or Melky (for speed and defense)?
September 1st, 201010:08 am
.Don, yeah, I hate it when the Braves get most of their hits and runs in games where they score a lot of runs.
September 1st, 201010:09 am
Scout – I’m not disagreeing with you, but if strike-outs are so important, why isn’t Nolan Ryan more highly reguarded? I think 7 no-nos and 19 1-hitters is monumental.
September 1st, 201010:10 am
Gary O, you got it. He’s a definite upgrade to Diaz and Cabrera in the speed/defense department. In fact, he’d be a very good defensive left fielder, just not so much in center.
Some thoughts on the discussion from yesterday afternoon. I can understand where everyone is coming from. My fandom wants me to say that Hudson is performing well enough to win a Cy Young award. I would love to think that Hudson is doing something remarkable and it is all his skills that is keeping his BABiP allowed in the .240’s. Hudson has always been one of my favorite pitchers since his days in Oakland.
The problem is that what I want to believe as a fan doesn’t match up with reality. When a pitcher’s BABiP is that low, it’s extremely unlikely that it’s all because of skill. Yes, Hudson is having a great season, he’s performed as well or better than any pitcher on the Braves staff, a good staff on maybe the best team in the NL. I just think he is probably very good or great instead of elite or Cy Young worthy. I think he is getting a lot of breaks on batted balls this season that have little to do with what he’s doing as a pitcher. I’m not trying to take away from what he’s done. He is definitely getting groundballs, keeping hitters off-balance and getting weak contact. There is no denying that. But even the best groundball pitchers (and Hudson certainly is among them) don’t sustain a BABiP in the .240’s, so there is something else going on besides an ability to get groundballs.
For what it’s worth, as a fan I could care less. All I care about is Hudson and the Braves getting defensive outs. I’m thrilled that his BABiP is .240, for whatever reason. It’s just for the purposes of Cy Young voting, I think a .240 BABiP indicates he has not quite pitched as well as some other candidates. Again, that’s not a knock on Hudson. If I say the Braves’ best hitter isn’t hitting as well as Pujols or Votto, that’s not a knock on the Braves’ best hitter. It’s just what I believe to be true and not what I wish were true.
Now, to get brash, when some of you are ready to put your fandom aside and talk big-boy analysis then we can have an intelligent discussion of BABiP, defense, luck and pitching.
September 1st, 201010:12 am
Brian from SC – @10:08 – Hilarious. I wondered what Don’s point was, but then, that’s nothing new.
September 1st, 201010:13 am
Mr. O’Brien, you have stated that “Calling up McLouth gives Manager Bobby Cox a lefthanded bat off the bench”. Are you kidding, who would want to use a player as a pinch hitter who has hit in the .160s for you as a regular?
And even worse, with Bobby Cox managing, who knows if he will try to start back to using McLouth as a regular? (Remember the first part of the season when he Cox lost who knows how many games for the Braves by using McLouth on and on and on every day with him producing almost nothing — And that was with a player named Infante sitting on the bench for most of that time. Could that “Infante” be related to the player who was later named to the All Star Team and could possibly lead the League in hitting?)
September 1st, 201010:14 am
As for Derek Lowe…
Elbow issues plus two years and thirty million equal = UNTRADABLE.
September 1st, 201010:15 am
Shaun, just because I don’t think the lower than normal BABIP is explained by luck does not mean that I am blinded by my fandom.
Is seems like the premise of your argument is that any stat that is not sustainable is explained by luck. There is a big difference between sustainability and luck.
September 1st, 201010:16 am
Son, I was reading about advanced statistical measurement for baseball when people still thought Bill James was a trumpet player. You should not equate a lack of proselytization of those measures by some of us with a lack of knowledge by those same folks. That would be a serious, non-big-boy error.
September 1st, 201010:17 am
25 man post season? Prado Omar A-Gon D-Lee Diory Troy Brooksy
JHey Melky Diaz Ankiel McClouth Ski
Hudson Hanson JJ
Wagner Saito Venters OFlaherty Moylan Martinez
Who should be cut and if so, for whom? I love Minor, but I really think next year is going to be his year. I love Freddie Freeman, but he hasn’t proven himself yet. I will admit straight up…I think my 25 man needs one more reliever…but who?
September 1st, 201010:19 am
Don – You started out surprisingly well this morning, but I see you have slipped back into the same old blah, blah, blah.
By the way, what was your point Re Washington and Florida games?
September 1st, 201010:21 am
I wonder if Freeman gets the start tonight? Bobby usually likes to get the rooks a start as soon as they get here. With a righty on the mound I’d say the odds are fairly good of seeing him in there.
I wonder how long before the national media figures out Infante could spoil a potential triple crown. If the Braves offense continues to be hot the’s going to get the plate apps needed to qualify. He could could even sit a game or two & still get what he needs. He’s been averaging right at 5 appearances a game for about the last 10 games.
September 1st, 201010:22 am
San Diego or Cincy? The Reds schedule is very favorable this month. They go to St Louis and Denver back to back, but after that a lot of sub .500 teams and finish like us at home for 6. Their offense is probably the best in the league and has been the most consistent. Pads SP a little better than Cincy and bullpen much better but even with their acquisitions their offense is marginal at best. Two teams from the East in playoffs probably, so who do we want in the first round? Best record very well could go down to last weekend between Braves and Cincy.
fastasballs, I bet Hinske starts at 1B tonight. Ankiel in CF, Cabrera in LF.
Gil In Mechanicsville
I am somewhat surprised no one has really mentioned how much better Moylan pitched last night. Amazing what a cortisone shot can do for an ailing joint. His slider once again had that dipdy doddle movement to it. Now, if they can just do the same for Lowe.
September 1st, 201010:24 am
RC-2012 and beyond, IF he approaches a .300 or better BA next year playing full time.
I really love the way Omar has stepped in and performed so far above expectations as to be unreal. However…….this IS unexplored territory here. He’s never hit this high and he’s never played this many games -each and every day. To this point, it IS a career year.
Can he continue in this vein? Maybe. I fully expect that he’ll maintain a .300 BA, but nowhere near .340. And peformance aside, he still has a godly portion of his value tied up in the fact he IS so versatile and can play all those positions, making it almost impossible to replace him as a bench player.
Now yes, he’s earned his chance to go full time and I sure as hell hope that he or Martin can spoil the Triple Crown race and yes, he SHOULD start in 2011, but let’s be realistic , too. There’s not really any track record on which to base his abilities as a full time producer at the top of the lineup and until they see that this is more certain to continue, they won’t renegotiate His 20111 contract, nor should they.
September 1st, 201010:25 am
Glen W, the premise is that any stat that is not sustainable and we can’t find a reasonable explanation why it isn’t stainable, probably means that that stat in question is not a result of a player’s skills and performance and has more to do with outside factors (like defense or luck).
September 1st, 201010:26 am
I agree. I know Moylan has struggled of late but I don’t understand why he gets rip on this board so much. I think he will help us out. Guy didn’t get enough of credit coming in and inducing doubleplays earlier to fan out big rally’s.
My favorite matchup would be SD at home in the first round. That’s easy to say now, of course, since they have lost 6 in a row.
September 1st, 201010:27 am
Shaun, so has Jose Bautista been very lucky this year?
September 1st, 201010:28 am
.Don, I know that you are not a real person so I will not address you in the future.beep..beep…beep….bobby cox is at fault for everything…beep…beep…beep
Oh come on guys…give it a rest. I feel hours of the same arguments as yesterday coming on.
September 1st, 201010:30 am
don-You haven’t come close to hitting .160 on the blog, but we haven’t run you out yet.
Hat Land Dub Raves
September 1st, 201010:31 am
The Cardinals are dead in the water because Rasmus is riding the pine.
September 1st, 201010:32 am
If we end with best overall record, it may mean Phillies miss playoffs. Don’t know who I fear most, Phillies or Giants. I feel we are good enough to beat anyone, but in a 5 or 7 game series anything can happen. I would hope for the best match-up for our team, and take our chances. I do want home field advantage, if possible.
September 1st, 201010:34 am
On the ESPN game monday night…Arron Boone & Nomar pointed this out about Infante and the 502 PA and the 0-fer rule
They actually seemed to be rooting for Omar.
Brian-This is nothing. We’ve seen Shaun go on for several days at a time without coming up for air. he just wants us to KNOW. He’s told us before.
September 1st, 201010:36 am
Hudson may have hit a bit of a lucky streak this year. His secondary stats seem to indicate that to be true. But there’s an element of luck in all things in life. Luck probably plays a bigger role in baseball than whatever most of us do for a living.
And, how long do you have to sustain a .240 BABIP for it not to be considered a fluke? At what point do you say its not a fluke anymore?
raleighbraves-I don’t fear either one of them.
September 1st, 201010:37 am
The Braves-Reds-Padres-Phillies playoff group is now about 44% likely according to Baseball Prospectus…that’s a fairly high percentage for a particular playoff group with a month to go. (That’s including Philly’s possibility of winning the division…the probability of the same group with Philly as a wild card is 35%…still high.)
Of course, it could be like the AL, where the playoff teams are basically completely set. The Yankees, Twins, Rangers, and Rays are over 80% likely to be the four playoff teams with a month of games left.
September 1st, 201010:38 am
OK, Hudson’s now thrown more than 184 innings this season. At what point do we have enough size to throw out luck as an explanation?
I find it ridiculous to think that a player’s luck is what drives a level of performance across an entire season.
September 1st, 201010:39 am
*enough of a sample size…
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