3:31 pm August 31, 2010, by David O'Brien
August 31st, 201011:58 pm
August 31st, 2010
On another blog, I have found the most ignorant comment in a long time. I do not believe Nick or Mitchell or even some of my comments can compare to this.
August 31st, 2010
Heath’s an idiot. They pay for what they get? Atlanta has had a first place team for most of the season and they have 18,000 fans at the game yesterday and probably less than that tonight. Against the Nats they had less than 16,000 fans at one of the games.
Seriously it’s time to move the Braves to another city that appreciates them. Maybe Charlotte deserves a chance.
What do I always say? Games count if there’s 50,000 people there to see it or 5,000.
Or 5. Zero. Doesn’t matter.
What matters is what happens on the field of play.
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
Maybe the guy is serious………. That does not mean is not seriously an idiot.
got lotsa tall players no doubt. Lee Glaus Heyward. big boys all
August 31st, 201011:59 pm
September 1st, 201012:00 am
Houston is a huge city. Houston is not a multi-state hub the way Atlanta is because of the other large cites near by (Dallas, Fort worth, San Antonio, Austin, New Orleans) but Houston is a huge city. In fact is you rank cities (not metro areas) by population houston is 4th. History is a funny thing. Houston had the Oilers until the city refused to build the team a new stadium and so the owner moved them to Tennessee and became the Titans. When the NFL expanded Houston got a team over LA. And the Astros are celebrating their 45th anniversary this year.
September 1st, 201012:01 am
Oh Mitchell, I am just raggin’ on you. You say nothin’ bad.
The dude on ESPN was funny tonight. On Heywards line drive he said something like ……. He hits the ball like that all the time, I’ve never seen anyone hit the ball that hard……… he’s gonna hurt somebody…….
Bat, I guess.
September 1st, 201012:02 am
JoeBrave. Sorry-didn’t mean to pile on.
Sorry, I forgot how important they were. Saw a game on Css the other day. There was better attendence at the annual swim meet at the Y. Meanwhile, LA is mounting a comeback.
Yunel's Frosted Tips
Dodgers cut it to 6-4…Loney HR
September 1st, 201012:03 am
Told ya, it’s early in La, La land !
September 1st, 201012:04 am
I hope the Dodgers can do to the Phillies the same thing what the Rockies did to the Braves.
September 1st, 201012:06 am
Well the Phillies pen is responsible for holding a 2 run lead with 11 outs to go. Anything can happen.
September 1st, 201012:08 am
Forgot about the Oilers B Hill. My fault. Point being, if you were to hand me that list of who would gain another proffesional team, I don’t think DC or Houston would be ahead of ATL. Miami can join that group as well, with the lack of attendance even WITH a recent title in 2003.
September 1st, 201012:09 am
“It’s The First of Da Month!”
I am also hoping Warren Stephens is a Braves fan! #97 on Forbes list of Billionaires
September 1st, 201012:11 am
Trey, I am not sure on Arthur anymore, dude is 67 now, and heavily invested in the Falcons.
September 1st, 201012:12 am
When I get my Billions I will buy the Team, and have an all-star at every position, just to piss the Yankees off!
September 1st, 201012:13 am
Bedtime for me guys, North Carolina is the route for the AM!
September 1st, 201012:14 am
JoeBrave, yeah I just wish corporations would quit buying baseball teams and it would be individual owners.
September 1st, 201012:15 am
Joe, have a good night.
The Braves aren’t going anywhere. They would have to lose money over a period several years before they seriously considered leaving. I don’t see that happening. But it is possible that poor attendance forces the team to cut payroll. Its not impossible to compete with a small payroll but it ain’t easy. It sure would be nice for the team to have a stadium thats closer to the people who are most likely to attend games, and in an easily accessible location with sufficient parking.
September 1st, 201012:18 am
Pads about to lose 6 in a row and yet the Giants are still 5 games back, if they lose they’ll only be percentage points ahead of the Braves/Reds for the best record.
B Hill, Absolutely. Good night all, good chatting with you. Here’s hoping for a LA comeback and a Giants win.
September 1st, 201012:20 am
Man, no wonder why the Dodgers are horrible this year.
September 1st, 201012:21 am
September 1st, 2010
Pads about to lose 6 in a row and yet the Giants are still 5 games back, if they lose they’ll only be percentage points ahead of the Braves/Reds for the best record.”
That’s good news.
September 1st, 201012:25 am
Torre trying to blow the game? Broxton, seriously?
September 1st, 201012:26 am
so um … go Kershaw! (unless LA has a big rally in them …)
September 1st, 201012:27 am
I do not like Broxton all too much against the Phils.
September 1st, 201012:36 am
DJ: yes, he’s very large. A little taller than Heyward.
September 1st, 201012:38 am
Jason: No, CF is not Infante’s best position. Or else he’d have played out there a lot more.
I’ll be surprised if Braves play Glaus at 3B, unless it’s an emergency or late in a blowout or something.
September 1st, 201012:40 am
Goldenglove: Hicks has a broken finger, out for the season. Canizares? I don’t know, maybe if Glaus is traded, but don’t see why they’d bring him up otherwise. Bobby Cox doesn’t want more players than he needs, especially with team in a pennant race. Wren said tonight when I asked him that it would be harder to get young guys (like Freeman) playing time in September in a pennant race then it would be otherwise.
September 1st, 201012:42 am
N8, no I didn’t have to feel same way about Cox leaving Minor in. And I didn’t feel the same way.
September 1st, 201012:44 am
Any news on Glaus?
September 1st, 201012:48 am
Phillies…Will Win This Series, Bank On It!, They Own The Dodgers!
September 1st, 201012:50 am
Frank Wren and his moves to tweak this year’s team sorta puts me in the mind of Johnny Cash; he got it “One Piece At A Time”
Don’t know if it was mentioned earlier or not but Vizcaino made his return tonight with Rome. He started and went 1 inning with 1 hit and 1 K. Here’s hoping he feels better.
September 1st, 201012:51 am
The Thought of Trouble T-Roy at 3rd base in the Playoffs Scares me…The Braves already suck on the defensive side of the ball as it its, no need to make it worse…
“When it’s sleepytime down south”
Goodmight good folks.
September 1st, 201012:54 am
I have Questions for the House Regarding Our Logjam of OF’s…
Who stays on thepostseason roster assuming we win the Division or WC…
And Who gets released/traded in the offseason, because face it, Since 2007 The Braves Have probably ranked last annually in OF production? I’m Glad B-Macc’s Production counters that…
My Big Boy Gut Tells me that we dump 2-3 of our current OF corps in the offseason…
September 1st, 201012:55 am
D.O.B., myself among others who are on here late nights have F’d up sleep schedules
September 1st, 20101:01 am
Melky would be a great 4th outfielder if the Braves can sign him to a cheap deal. I think left field could best be served by finding a platoon partner for Diaz. Centerfield is a mess. There are not legitimate in house candidates. McLouth is still under contract though, and with money tight the team will be hard pressed to bring in a big free agent. Maybe the Braves can use McLouth as the fourth outfielder and sign a descent starting CF. That would have to make McLouth the best paid 4th outfielder in all of baseball.
Ray Parker Jr.
September 1st, 20101:03 am
McCann has become everything Francoeur was supposed to be for the Braves. Maybe Jeff could have done the same if front office didn’t put the Superman cape on him after one season and let him just play ball like Brian got to do.
September 1st, 20101:06 am
@ 6.5 mil next year they either trade McNate or give him every chance possible to win the starting CF job
No one talks about it anymore but do you guys still think TP will be next manager? My thought is no way and I hope he gets a good job offer for another team so we wipe the slate clean of anything to do with Bobby baseball. Just for a fresh start.
September 1st, 20101:08 am
McNate is one of those people you would hate going on a road trip with. He looks like he talks everyones head off on the bench.
Goodnight white people.
September 1st, 20101:09 am
R. Parker Jr
Co-Sign about that post about TP
September 1st, 20101:10 am
The Braves will Cut Nate-Dawg In the offseason “Bank On It!” The Braves F.O. are just gonna have to eat his contract, since we already did it this year…
That might Have been the worse trade over the last 2+ years…
I don’t know anyteam that would want to take his contract
September 1st, 20101:13 am
how come TP gets absolutely no credit for the hitters Prado and Infante have become? I followed Marteen throughout the minors watching him every year, and I thought he could start here and said so b4 it was popular, but I never thought he’d be an 850+ hitter. even though voting him as the third best hitter in the NL was pretty silly.
The Melk-Dud Makes WAYYY too much money for a 4th OF Next Year…I’d rather have Schafer or another OF up here next year in a #4 OF role other than the Melk Dud to save money and thats saying something…
The Melk duds defense SUCKS! and is well, just a .5 higher ranking that Johnny Damon and Manny Ramirez…
They ain’t gonna cut 6.5 mil T’Hawk
September 1st, 20101:15 am
TP has grown on me as a hitting coach after hearing of his interviews early this year but lets face it, he’s too much like Bobby (No dis-respect intended)
Wayne in Utah
September 1st, 20101:16 am
McLouth will get every chance to start in 2011. Unless we deal him for another bad contract. Just don’t see the Braves eating that much salary.
September 1st, 20101:19 am
actually there is a 1.25 mil buyout too so they would be throwing away almost 8 mil. ain’t gonna happen
September 1st, 20101:20 am
TP might make a great manager. Lots of folks rip him because certain hitters don’t hit, but is that the hitting coach’s fault? Like nolie says, doesn’t he get some credit for the players who DO hit well on this team.
Come to think of it, he’d make a great manager, since some folks don’t appreciate the positives a manager brings, but likes to diss him for the Jeff Francoeurs and Nate McLouths. He’ll fit in just right as the manager.
I was saying the same thing at the A-Star Break, but we are already paying Nate Dawg for his lost 2010 season…The F.O. Will Suck it up and cut their losses, “Watch!
I wish everybody was like Bobby. Most of the best managers are
September 1st, 20101:21 am
No way do they eat almost 10% of their annual salary budget……
Your gonna be wrong on this one T.
September 1st, 20101:23 am
What is it about folks that can’t seem to appreciate what we have in BC? I’ll never understand it.
Hope all is well with ya, but I gotta get off to bed. Long, early day tomorrow.
September 1st, 20101:24 am
September 1st, 20101:31 am
The main Reason I say that they Eat his contract is that just about every Ofer we have regardless on position has produced better than Nate Dawg…Do you seriously think if he has another S. Training in 2011 similiar to the one he had in 2010 that we’d start himopening day…?
September 1st, 20101:37 am
I seriously think they will not throw away 9% of their allotted salary man. They will try to trade him, but c’mon they scrimped to pay guys like Glaus and Hinske a few mil, the are not gonna waste almost 9 mil. Other teams have done it once in a great while, and nothing is impossible, but I’ll be damned surprised if the Braves do it.
September 1st, 20101:48 am
Tomahawkin, you can’t be serious about rather having Schafer than Cabrera. Based on WHAT? People made their judgments on Cabrera have his first month, and refuse to let his numbers since then change their opinion.
Same for Schafer, in reverse — some have made up their minds early on that he was a really good player, and have refused to let two bad, injury-plagued, unproductive seasons stand in the way of the judgments they made based on one strong (though later PED-suspension-tainted) season in the minors, one good spring training and one great week to start the season, that he’s still a top-rated prospect who can just shake off the past two years and be good in the majors in 2010. The guy was demoted from Triple-A this year. Think about it.
Oh, and the others are right about McLouth: Braves are not going to eat the remaining money he’s owed and release him. No way.
September 1st, 20101:52 am
how come TP gets absolutely no credit for the hitters Prado and Infante have become? — noleeee
Come on, you know TP’s only responsible for the guys who’ve failed to develop in the majors, not the ones who have actually become better hitters as Braves than they were in the minors or in other organizations. It only makes sense.
Like Francoeur. So many here blamed Pendleton after Francoeur went bust here, then hit well for a month or two in NY. Now that he’s been a bad hitter for almost an entire season in New York, apparently it wasn’t Pendleton who messed him up, right? I mean, unless he’s still messing him up more than a year later? Francoeur worked with the vaunted Rudy Jaramillo in that one offseason, right? And Rudy got him straightened out, so a bunch of folks here said TP failed where Rudy was able to succeed. Just like Rudy got Andruw straightened out. Riiight.
How’s Andruw done with three or four different hitting coaches and three organizations since he left the Braves?
September 1st, 20101:56 am
I was seriously Skeptical about Schafer before he won that starting job in 2009 because of his PED use…
But Seriously…The Melk Dud only got the recognition he did as a Yankee because of BSPN…Not to Mention That he hit 9 of his 13 homers at that Bandbox in The Rotten Apple (New York) I told everyone on here when we acquired him that his offense and defense would both be subpar playing half his games in a larger stadium
I know Its still 7 months until opening day 2011 but do you seriously think that the Braves F.O. have it high in their priority list to Make Nate-Dawg Their opening day CF next year…
I’m Banking on Nate Getting traded or released, His 2010 season is a current version of Reggie Sanders 2000 season as a brave, the 2 players have parallels…
September 1st, 20102:04 am
I fail to see how you can even possibly think that a cash strapped team like the Braves is gonna throw away 8.million dollars
September 1st, 20102:09 am
“N8, no I didn’t have to feel same way about Cox leaving Minor in. And I didn’t feel the same way.” DOB
OK. Fair enough. But I bet had Minor given up a grand slam that inning, plenty would have questioned why Cox left him in. That’s all I was saying.
I’m actually glad Manual left him in. What Braves fan isn’t?
September 1st, 20102:13 am
Like wise, if Niese hadn’t given up the slam and Ross made an out, nobody would have been questioning Manuel leaving him in.
It’s classic case of the end result causing second guessing. Kind of like many do here on the blog when a move (or non-move) by Cox “leads” to something bad happening.
I realize it’s only a matter of opinion, and being the blog master, you’re certainly entitled to yours. But I didn’t really think that he was any more on the ropes than Minor was having labored through 100 or so pitches in 5 innings, in the top half of the inning.
The path they were on was about the same (walking a few too many guys). Like I said, only the end result was different. Which of course, in the end, is ultimately what matters.
Bay Area Steve
September 1st, 20102:29 am
I know I sure woulda pulled Mr. Minor. I may have even hurled a epithet or two at ol’ 6. Worked out good, though.
September 1st, 20102:31 am
September 1st, 20102:33 am
DOB and nolie, I think with every coach (hitting or pitching), there is going to be guys that respond to their methods, and guys that don’t.
If a team (organization) is behind said coaches, then the GM will find guys that respond, or fit the mold of those. Guys that don’t are gone. It’s a good strategy.
Unfortunately, sometimes there are guys that get bumped out of town that go on to find success elsewhere with another coach. Maybe it’s coincidence. Maybe it’s spite on the player’s behald. Maybe it’s motivation because they thougth they were above getting dumped. Maybe some of them are simply late bloomers.
For every guy that TP has helped, there have been others that he has not. His fault? Hard to say. I found it interesting that Chipper publicly stated that some of the advice that TP was giving Heyward was different advice than he would give him. No intent or accusation by Chipper, and none by me implying that there was. Just found it interesting.
But you can say the same for both Leo and Roger as well. Young flame throwers like Marquis and Odalis didn’t respond well to Leo. Neither did Jason Schmidt. All found limited (and short lived success) after leaving the Braves. But clearly none of them (besides Schmidt) went on to be superstar “Aces”. Also, Leo’s methods didn’t have the same succes in Baltimore as in Atlanta.
It’s hard to argue with the end results for the TEAM with the trio of Bobby, TP and Roger. First place team playing well and winning.
But what if Heyward (or even Freeman) doesn’t have sustained success with TP as hitting coach? At what point is the player above the coach as far as who has to go?
You see it more in the NFL where OC’s and DC’s move on and a replacement is brought in to bring out their best. Baseball is a longer grind.
For Andruw I think some of the best “improvement” from one season to another was his first with Don Baylor. But don’t discredit what the Big Cat meant to Andruw as well. Add to that, it could have just been the right “time” for Andruw to step up his game regardless of who the hitting coach was.
Certainly Prado and Infante’s success has to be credited to TP. How can it not be?
But I think the problem lies more when the superstars (Francoeur and Andruw) fail, then it is magnified on the hitting coach. Fans ask if a guy is so talented and hyped as such a “can’t miss” prospect/young player, why can’t the hitting coach bring that out of them?
So at the time of those two guys failing, it seemed easy to blame TP. But in hindsight, seeing how they’ve failed upon moving on, the real blame was in the fans, media, scouts and GM assessing them as can’t miss guys in the first place.
That’s what’s so impressive about Heyward. At least for one complete (near complete) rookie season at a young age. He’s lived up to the hype and seems to be adjusting just fine.
Where with guys like Prado and Infante, nobody expected much. So it’s easier to NOT give TP credit, because most people think its a fluke. Just listen to other broadcasts by the Braves opponants. They STILL don’t buy that Infante is that good. Everybody is just waiting for the clock to strike midnight. Then if it does, they can say… I told you so.
In short, TP is doing a fine job. With the guys interested in listening and the ability/desire to respond to his teaching methods. Guys that don’t are either gone or out of the lineup.
Is McLouth failing TP’s fault? Or is it the scouts and Wren’s fault for not noticing what the Pirates brass probably was aware of? That Nate wasn’t as good as his numbers suggested. Almost gotta give the Pirates brass credit for dumping him when they could. But can’t really blame Wren for taking a chance on him.
September 1st, 20102:43 am
Love what you bring N8. Don’t always agree, but absolutely love what you bring. A lot like Shaun, for me, in how I view you guys. Don’t always agree, but all kinds of respect for how you present your stuff.
And, to the guy who said one Shaun post was worth 100 in-gamers. Dude, check your exchange rate. Cats like Shaun and N8 are better than a lifetime’s number of posts from some of those ‘nozzles.
And, I suppose I should talk a little ball. N8, I really blame the players when it comes to the hitting coach. I think a player should know his swing, and should know where he can get help. It ain’t just TP that a guy can go to. He’s got past coaches, video, 10, etc… If you’re not working well with TP, there are other resources. At some point, the onus has to fall to the player.
Coach (2011 or Bust)
September 1st, 20102:45 am
N8, some guys are coachable while others are not. Such is the case with Jeff Francoeur. The kid is an awesome talent but has the mentality of a line backer in the hitters box. As for AJ, I think he just fell apart physically, which cannot be fixed.
September 1st, 20102:53 am
I love what i bring to the board. I don’t always agree with myself, but i always find my posts to be interesting and well informed !
September 1st, 20102:56 am
O’Brien if you’re still awake at this ungodly hour I like many really appreciate the info on the post season roster eligibility. However, it’s not so easy to just add any player. The 40 man has it’s own self imposed restrictions. The Braves must first add said player to their 40 man and at the moment it’s choke full. Then somebody else already on the 40 man has to be dropped. So the process is just a bit more complex than than one would think.
September 1st, 20103:08 am
Also, I’ll be shocked if Terry Pendleton doesn’t become the Braves next manager. I mean, the man’s resume is all but complete.
He has done it all. Played for not one but two Hall of Fame managers (Herzog and Cox), coached under Bobby since 2001, won an MVP award, been to the playoffs as both a player and coach. But what really has me convinced is the fact that if the Braves don’t turn the reigns over to TP, some other team will undoubtedly offer the man a job as their manager.
Meaning the Braves would lose both Cox and Pendleton and I just cannot see that happening.
September 1st, 20103:10 am
Don’t be startin’ trouble, noles.
And, I have to apologize. Ernie Johnson said on the broadcast today that some guys were old school, but Bobby Dews was Old Testament. I immediately thought of you; I’m sorry.
September 1st, 20103:17 am
You and me Steve, everybody else is sawing logs.
Something to consider. Our Braves have now spent eighty-two straight games in first place, which is basically half the season. Thirty games remain. If I were the Phillies, I wouldn’t be so confident right now.
September 1st, 20103:19 am
I think it’s a damn near guarantee that Fredi Gonzalez will be the next mgr. He’s a Cox disciple, has experience, and was probably unjustly fired for putting a spoiled ball player(Hanley) in his place and making him responsible for his actions. That’s a very Cox type of move. I frankly, think he would continue the Cox type of atmosphere but might manage his pen a little bit better than Bobby dies.
September 1st, 20103:30 am
You are 100% correct DOB about TP. The most underrated coach in baseball
You could be right Nick. The funny thing is, the Marlins have all but remained unchanged since Gonzalez was fired. I’m not sure whether this reflects positively or negatively for Freddie? Edwin Rodriguez the Marlins interim manager has a record of 31-29 since taking over the fish. Freddie was 34-36 when he got canned.
Like I said before, I’m not sure how this reflects on Gonzalez.
September 1st, 20103:42 am
Idk, I’m comfortable with Melky at the dish in a clutch situation. He seems to do pretty well, give good AB’s, go with the pitch, etc… Maybe that’s a result of playing in NY, in the postseason, or whatever, but I like Melky in late in close situations…much more than say, Ankiel.
September 1st, 20103:52 am
I think what TP has stressed (and this is only an assumption) is plate discipline, turning the lineup over, making the opposing pitchers make pitches & lots of them.
The team’s approach to hitting this year has won them a lot of games: getting guys like Josh Johnson out of games early & into opposing teams’ bullpens. The team is #1 in the NL in OBP (#3 in baseball), and you look at the top 10 in baseball in OBP and all of the playoff contenders there, it’s a tribute to the team’s approach at the plate.
The Braves btw are #14 in baseball in BA, but #2 in walks (#1 in the NL). They get guys on base & give themselves chances, while getting pitch counts up and tiring pitchers. I don’t know if that’s TP’ stressing that to the team, but reading quotes from the guy over the last few years, seems like it is, and if it is, the dude deserves some serious props.
September 1st, 20103:54 am
Did you whisky your liver tonight?
September 1st, 20104:00 am
D-Lowes start should be interesting on Friday… straight off a corti shot.
September 1st, 20104:07 am
Couple of good pitching matchups tomorrow to kick off September…Kershaw vs. Oswalt (Roy pitches pretty damn well against the LAD), and Ubaldo vs. The Freak.
Latos & Enright should be pretty good too, & in the AL you’ve got Price vs. Marcum & Scherzer vs. Liriano.
September 1st, 20104:10 am
Probably been mentioned, but the Braves passed San Diego for best record in the NL – though are tied with Cincy for that honor, and hence tied for 3rd best record in baseball behind the AL East leaders.
30 games over .500 at home? Wow.
September 1st, 20104:21 am
McCann is to Francouer as : Dotti is to Kit in A League of Their Own.
I hope the outcome is different though if the 2 teams meet in the WS.
September 1st, 20106:16 am
Thanks for the response DOB. It was fairly obvious I guess since the Braves haven’t played him out there, but at the beginning of the season, he wasn’t the Omar of today. He was still the super-sub and didn’t have an every day spot in the IF.
Offensively, the team would probably be better with Glaus and Omar in the lineup than Omar and Hinske/Diaz/Melky. Of course, that assuming Glaus is healthy enough to at least bend his legs. Bobby will get it figured out.
September 1st, 20107:26 am
What I don’t get about Infante is that in the six seasons and 1600 ABs before he was traded to the Braves, he hit .253 for the Tigers (including .264 and .222 as a starter). He comes to Atlanta and now all of a sudden he’s a .300 hitter? Where is this coming from?
That’s why I’ve always been reluctant to call him an every day starter. You can’t deny that he has been incredible this season and is a key to the Braves being in 1st place. I’m just nervous that he’ll revert back to a .250 hitter. But so far he hasn’t and has been proving me wrong.
Nova Scotia Steve -
September 1st, 20107:46 am
DOB: RE: Frenchy – “Now that he’s been a bad hitter for almost an entire season in New York, apparently it wasn’t Pendleton who messed him up, right?”
Oh cont-rare – I hear they both have the unlimited texting package and stay in contact quiet frequently – so this is debatable.
September 1st, 20107:47 am
Something to consider with Frenchy. He was just traded to the team (and hitting coach) that he visited a few years back, while he was with the Braves, that pissed TP off. Just sayin’
September 1st, 20107:50 am
Oh cont-rare – Rudy Jaramillo coaches for the Cubs now
September 1st, 20107:53 am
rudy jaramillo is the cubs hitting guy now
September 1st, 20108:00 am
Awake to find the Braves with the best record in the National League.
However, Ryan Howard also seems to have arisen from his slumber.
So, we’ll see.
It’s Septembers 1st! And the Bravs are in first place!!!
McFann ♥ :Ô: ♥ :Ô: ♥
September 1st, 20108:14 am
UKUGA Ryan Howard also seems to have arisen from his slumber.
Yes, but so has BMAC!!!
Ease™ in Sandy Springs
Oh cont-rare – Cubs don’t hit anymore…so why need a hitting guy?
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