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T for Texas
August 30th, 2010
4:11 pm
He’s gone and not coming back, just like Yunel, Elvis and Neftali.
Wow those are three great first names we’ve traded.
Jinx
August 30th, 2010
4:11 pm
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fredi is next
August 30th, 2010
4:12 pm
Cox is best manager of course. All of you Cox haters out there will sucking your thumb next year and beyond. You will wish Bobby were still the manager. There is no one better than Bobby, period.
kelevra
August 30th, 2010
4:12 pm
iv always wondered why when the blog starts talking about players we traded away orr didnt resign its always kj or elvis or neftali and no one ever brings up the jd drew wainwright trade….far and away the best player we’ve traded away in a long long time
Joey
August 30th, 2010
4:13 pm
T for Texas, at least the Braves haven’t broken a leg or torn a ligament in their home-plate “dances!”
TennesseePaul
August 30th, 2010
4:14 pm
didn’t KJ ruin his arm, or have Tommy John surgery that ended his outfield career?
Yes he had surgery. I don’t think that prohibits him from playing there. I think it is largely that he has not played there in quite some time. And I believe he was move to the infield, partly for the arm but more so to keep his bat in the lineup and replace Marcus “Where’s my juice?” Giles.
timthebrave
August 30th, 2010
4:14 pm
My god it’s happening. Texeira trade thoughts…..Anyone?…Anyone?…. Time for me to pick up some PBR and head down to the game. Go Braves!
MFin04
August 30th, 2010
4:14 pm
http://www.atlantabaseballtalk.com/?p=284 – Really interesting take by DOB on the Yunel Trade around minute 36.
TennesseePaul
August 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
no one ever brings up the jd drew wainwright trade…
You don’t read all the frequently do you Bad Dog?
ncscoots
August 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
Really interesting take by DOB on the Yunel Trade around minute 36.
Now, I’ll bet that really IS interesting, LOL.
TennesseePaul
August 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
*read the blog…
Nova Scotia Steve
August 30th, 2010
4:18 pm
“no one ever brings up the jd drew wainwright trade…”
Thanks – I really needed that laugh
sportsmandh
August 30th, 2010
4:18 pm
I love today’s lineup. I think this is the best lineup we can roll out right now.
Agree with those who say don’t trade Glaus. I think he’ll be needed in the postseason.
Joey
August 30th, 2010
4:18 pm
” There is no one better than Bobby, period.”
*******************************
At nose-harvesting?
Seriously, “fredi is next”, do you really think the best manager in MLB could only win 1 WS in 14 playoff attempts? Really?
kelevra
August 30th, 2010
4:19 pm
or the yunel trade….
ncscoots
August 30th, 2010
4:19 pm
scoots,I hope it doesn’t take you guys this long,lol.
Not a matter of “getting over it”. Johnson’s gone; the only time I think about him is when someone else brings it up.
chilidog75
August 30th, 2010
4:21 pm
Joey … So no credit for getting to the playoffs 14 straight years? That’s a sign of a dude that’s pretty good.
Joey
August 30th, 2010
4:22 pm
Thanks TennesseePaul. I thought I read that in the past. But I do think I also read that the injury prohibited him making long throws from the outfield.
Ryan
August 30th, 2010
4:23 pm
Nice article – I’m surprised he is consdiered a patient hitter like Heyward is OBP this year is only 60 points higher than his average, while Heywards in the majors this year is 100+ points higher.
On the Johnson V. Prado debate.
I don’t have a problem with Johnson – though I think Prado has played better this year. Honestly the one moment I remember most of Johnson’s tenure with the Braves was the pop fly that he dropped against the Phillies with 2 outs in the Ninth that cost us the game, and to me was a real turning point in the season. Had we won we would have only been 2 games back, with two more to go in the series. Instead we lose that game, and don’t play well the next two to put us roughly 6 games out.
Also this is Johnson’s best year in his career. He was almost as good in 2007, decent in 2008, but his performance dipped considerably last year. From 07-09 when he was the starting 2nd baseman for the Braves his OPS at Turner field was like .778. He is still a very streaky hitter, which frusterates me as a fan. Prado has been consistent since he took over the starting job. Johnson was also never elected to an all star game.
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 30th, 2010
4:25 pm
Kelly Johnson? Really? If the next subject is the Texeira trade I’m going to lose my sh**
Woe is me …………. doomed the Braves for all time.
kelevra
August 30th, 2010
4:25 pm
tennessee paul
i guess sarcasm doesnt translate well on the blog
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 30th, 2010
4:29 pm
and no one ever brings up the jd drew wainwright trade….far and away the best player we’ve traded away in a long long time
Woe is me …………………. doomed the Braves for all time
MattyRoss
August 30th, 2010
4:29 pm
CB…if the Braves finish 20-12, no way the Phils catch them. Unless 10 of the 12 losses are against PHI and STL, that’s a playoff team one way or the other.
Joey
August 30th, 2010
4:29 pm
Right, chili, “pretty good,” even with a handfull of Hall of Famers. But not “the best” by any stretch. But, I know we all have opinions.
I will submit, though, that Bobby’s teams were mostly clean of PEDs, while most of the teams the Braves were facing were all “roided up.” The Yankees pitchers and hitters form that era were all (except Jeter) have been implicated, Minnesota, Toronto, Arizona, Florida, Houston, and St Louis all all were teams the Braves faced who had multiple players linked to PED purchases or uses.
Tale of Woe
August 30th, 2010
4:30 pm
Actually, Woe is me…..
CraZyTRaDeMaN ©
August 30th, 2010
4:30 pm
Can’t believe we gave up Javy for Melky!
Tale of Woe
August 30th, 2010
4:30 pm
KK called up. Martinez sent down
Moylan had cortison shot – That is why Kimbrel was recalled
The wear and tear of the season is hitting us
Tale of Woe
August 30th, 2010
4:31 pm
I wonder if KK was called up because Martinez was going to be unavailable for a few days and Martinez can be recalled on the 6th.
RC
August 30th, 2010
4:32 pm
Can’t believe we gave up Javy for Melky!
Adjusted:
Can’t believe we gave up Javy and Boone Logan for Melky , Mike Dunn, Arodys Vizcaino, and the money to sign Hudson!
There, all better.
Moby Grape
August 30th, 2010
4:32 pm
I see KL is still blowing on KJ. who can’t hit worth a damn away from Arizona no matter what he says. Anybody who would compare Prado’s year and Johnson’s and say there is little difference is about as biased as biased can be
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2010
4:35 pm
Bobby Cox picked best manager in the NL by BA poll of managers? Not St. Tony LaRussa, among others? They obviously didn’t poll Don, Mitchell, NO MORE BOBBY, or other members of the “the brigade of the clueless”!
RC
August 30th, 2010
4:36 pm
Bobby Cox picked best manager in the NL by BA poll of managers? Not St. Tony LaRussa, among others? They obviously didn’t poll Don, Mitchell, NO MORE BOBBY, or other members of the “the brigade of the clueless”!
Nope, they just polled people who actually work in baseball.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2010
4:36 pm
RC – exactly!! Some people never cease to show their ignorance.
CB
August 30th, 2010
4:36 pm
MattyRoss,agreed. Phillies would have to finish 23-9 and if they do that you would have to give them credit. Either way,we are a playoff team.
Bravissimo
August 30th, 2010
4:37 pm
DOB Do you think AAA hitters have advantages over pitchers because of no advance scouts?
For what its worth…The lastest odds of winning the NL Pennant
Braves———-5/2
Reds————5/1
Rockies——-40/1
Marlins——–125/1
Dodgers——-70/1
Phillies——–11/4
Padres———3/1
Giants———11/1
Cardinals——7/1
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2010
4:37 pm
RC – I was referring to your post about the trade, but it applies to your post about the survey also.
eric the elder
August 30th, 2010
4:39 pm
Don’t worry if you are still saddened by the Kelly Johnson trade. You have a long way to go to beat me. I despaired when my beloved Cleveland Indians traded away Rocky Colavito, and I still haven’t gotten over it.
chilidog75
August 30th, 2010
4:39 pm
Joey. Just saying that people – many Braves fans especially – lose perspective on Cox’s career because of the 1 out of 14.
They concentrate SO much on the 1. And they just discount the 14. As if it doesn’t even matter.
LaRussa has had as many HOFers as Cox … and he’s well behind him in playoff appearances. Also, if not for a fluke year in which he won like 85 games in the regular season and THEN won the World Series (credit deserved for sure, but he also didn’t do a ‘great’ job at all during the regular season – won the central by default really) … he and Cox would be tied. At 1.
I don’t know. I’m as ticked as anyone about 91, 92 and 96 (99 we didnt stand much of a chance) … but I also give someone credit for getting to the postseason 14 straight times. Pretty remarkable.
ncscoots
August 30th, 2010
4:40 pm
RC – exactly!! Some people never cease to show their ignorance.
And I imagine the AJC is happy about it, since, otherwise, there wouldn’t be enough page hits here to earn the name “blog”.
RC
August 30th, 2010
4:41 pm
raleighbravefan, thanks. At least the trade is a factual thing I can point to….if someone thinks Bobby is a bad manager, then they are entitled to that (stupid, idiotic, moronic) opinion
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2010
4:42 pm
chilidog – good points, all
RC
August 30th, 2010
4:42 pm
ncscoots, ain’t that the truth. It’s still nice that one day in every 10 or so that the trolls haven’t woken up yet and we can actually discuss opinions and thoughts like rational people.
ncscoots
August 30th, 2010
4:44 pm
and we can actually discuss opinions and thoughts like rational people.
Bro, you must have missed the Kelly Johnson discussion, LOL.
CraZyTRaDeMaN ©
August 30th, 2010
4:45 pm
raleighbravefan, Yeah the past trade complainers do get old sometimes but, sometimes its funny to see people make fools of themselves so keep on complaining.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2010
4:45 pm
RC – Throw away Melky and it’s still a good trade, IMO. Hudson has been better than Javy, and is signed for 2 more years. Dunn is already pretty good, and Vizciano may turn out to be great.
cabravesfan
August 30th, 2010
4:46 pm
I just discovered that someone has invented deep fried beer. Yes, that says Deep Fried BEER. Best invention ever?
Saint. Dawg>
August 30th, 2010
4:47 pm
Why in the hell are we even talkin about KELLY JOHNSON….?? Go BRAVES beat the MUTTS…!! Ok D. Lee time to show us fans something,you have’nt yet..BTW your time as our 1B. could be numbered if you don’t start HITTIN..
Sonny Clusters
August 30th, 2010
4:48 pm
We would trade Glaus and let him play somewhere else if he can. Looking for pop in that bat would be like looking for pop from Norton . . . chances for disappointment are high.
Einstein
August 30th, 2010
4:51 pm
Win or lose, the Braves are giving us a lot of excitement, and it’s my opinion that we’ll do pretty well in the playoffs if: Bobby will forget for the next 50+ games that he is Bobby Cox, and (1) play our guys who give us the best chance to win, and (2) don’t wear out the bullpen.
Sonny Clusters
August 30th, 2010
4:52 pm
We can see we are in the minority wanting to let Glaus go play some ball somewhere else. We was just thinking about him not moving real well and striking out and hitting into all those double plays. Of course, he had a month . . .
sheeesh
August 30th, 2010
4:55 pm
Enter your comments here
GT Fan
August 30th, 2010
4:55 pm
OK, cabravesfan, that just completely blew the California health nut stereotype out of the water forever. No way you can reclaim it now.
Tale of Woe
August 30th, 2010
4:55 pm
I can’t believe that I posted that Kawakami has been recalled and no one has said a thing. Martinez was sent down and Moylan has a shoulder issue…Kimbrel was called up because of Moylan…
al
August 30th, 2010
4:55 pm
Any rumors or thoughts on other call ups besides Freeman, Glaus & Kimbrel? Matt Young and Barbaro Canizares would have to be added to the 40 man roster to be called up.
cabravesfan
August 30th, 2010
4:56 pm
GT Fan -
I ate enough healthy food when I was growing up to last a lifetime…bring on the deep fried goodness!
GT Fan
August 30th, 2010
4:56 pm
Didn’t get many takers on Schultz’s blog, so you decided to go fishing here, Sonny?
rc35
August 30th, 2010
4:56 pm
I like the lineup except for Lee, the new DO (Designated Out) batting cleanup. Sixth or seventh would be a lot better. At least Ankiel isn’t starting, so that’s good.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2010
4:56 pm
Sonny – The question really is – Will Glaus play like May and the last 7 games in AAA, or will he play like he did in July and August? Who knows? He could be a great help, but double plays and errors are killers.
Troy Glaus
August 30th, 2010
4:56 pm
Okay, Sonny, kiss my big butt! I haven’t hit much since the end of June. I still have the most RBIs on the Braves. How many games out of 1st would we be without me?
How dare you compare me with Greg Norton. When did he hit 50+ dingers? When did he get a World Series MVP?
We would wish you would go work the 3rd shift!
Sonny Clusters
August 30th, 2010
4:57 pm
GT Fan they Clusters is always on this blog.
cabravesfan
August 30th, 2010
4:58 pm
al-
Freddie has to be added too…but I don’t think there are too many guys on the 40 man that the Braves will want to take off… (I think we had at least one open spot, which obviously will go to Freeman)
RC
August 30th, 2010
4:58 pm
al,
We might some some additional bullpen arms called up, and probably a 3rd catcher, but I doubt Bobby will want to bring up too many players in September. He generally limits September callups because he doesn’t like having a bench full of guys who likely won’t play. This year there will be more than most due to the number of veterans that are currently at AAA (Glaus, McLouth, and until today KK).
Bobbeeee's Cox
August 30th, 2010
5:00 pm
I’ve never seen Kelly make a web gem. You see Martin make them all the time. And, 3 of errors came when he switched positions this year, 2 weeks after breaking his pinky. Those defense stats are skewed.
Bobbeeee's Cox
August 30th, 2010
5:00 pm
Much like those offensive stats.
RC
August 30th, 2010
5:01 pm
If room was needed on the 40-man, Chipper and Medlen could both be moved to the 60-day DL to create two slots.
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2010
5:01 pm
rc35 (and others of same ilk) – You don’t give a guy much of a chance, do you? Lee has a chance of breaking out and hitting in bunches (like he did before the trade). You can’t give up on a guy with past proven ability because of a couple of bad weeks. Sheesh!
Bobbeeee's Cox
August 30th, 2010
5:02 pm
Why in the hell are we even talkin about KELLY JOHNSON….?? Go BRAVES beat the MUTTS
Good freakin’ point.
RC
August 30th, 2010
5:02 pm
I’ve never seen Kelly make a web gem. You see Martin make them all the time. And, 3 of errors came when he switched positions this year, 2 weeks after breaking his pinky. Those defense stats are skewed.
Not to bash this point too much, since I do think Prado is a better defender than KJ, but “web gems” aren’t exactly a scientific measure of defensive value.
Bravissimo
August 30th, 2010
5:03 pm
Sonny…will u be offering a parfait to Jeff with a pepper in it?
raleighbravefan
August 30th, 2010
5:03 pm
Sonny – What language is that which you are attempting to speak?
Glen W
August 30th, 2010
5:04 pm
Anyone else notice that Hinske had two pretty big hits off of LHPs in the last two games?
Lew
August 30th, 2010
5:04 pm
Tale of Woe-Shame about Martinez, but he’ll be back in a few days. As for Moylan – didn’t take a report of a cortisone shot to know something was wrong with him. He’s been getting plenty of time off and still hasn’t looked good for well over a month now.
jack
August 30th, 2010
5:04 pm
heres a line up i would like tosee omar in center prado at second heywoo mac catching claus freeman diaz gonzo pitcher
kelevra
August 30th, 2010
5:04 pm
no jose reyes this series…..thats nice
rekingball
August 30th, 2010
5:05 pm
I’m still mad about the Brett Butler, Brook Jacoby, and Rick Behenna trade for the dead-head and dead-arm, Len Barker, with the Indians back in ‘83.
Sonny Clusters
August 30th, 2010
5:07 pm
Bravissimo, we wouldn’t do that to Jeff. But we was thinking about doing that to ward off the pesky Phillies fans on they blog. We could use it like bug spray and that shold do it.
Glen W
August 30th, 2010
5:09 pm
Martinez threw four innings yesterday and wouldn’t have pitched for a few days anyway. They keep mkaing these moves to avoid putting Moylan on the DL, especially since Saito can’t pitch on back-to-back days.
GT Fan
August 30th, 2010
5:09 pm
al –
Canizares is RH, so if we can find space on the roster, it might be worth it. Looking at the 40 man on Braves.com, we should have room to add 3 guys to the roster. Freddy’s obviously one of those. Marek, and obviously Dunn, KK and Kimbrel are already on there. Not sure who else we might want to bring up, but it seems like it would be a possibility.
GT Fan
August 30th, 2010
5:12 pm
Sonny, I know you’re always on this blog. I was just giving you a hard time because it seemed like you were trying to strike up the trade Glaus bandwagon over here, even though it hasn’t been much more than a murmur on this thread.
RC
August 30th, 2010
5:12 pm
Tale of Woe and Lew,
Martinez wasn’t going to pitch for at least the next couple of days anyway after getting so much work yesterday and in Colorado last week. Odds are he’ll be called back up in 2 days when rosters expand. It’s just roster management.
RC
August 30th, 2010
5:12 pm
I see Glen W beat me to the punch there…sorry to step on your post Glen.
Sonny Clusters
August 30th, 2010
5:13 pm
No one understands the Clusters, so Clusters is gone.
Glen W
August 30th, 2010
5:14 pm
No worries, RC. It’s that time of year.
GT Fan
August 30th, 2010
5:14 pm
Awww, Sonny. I didn’t mean to drive you away.
Sonny Clusters
August 30th, 2010
5:14 pm
GT Fan, we love to stir up the pot. We saw that no one was talking about Glaus, so we thought we’d talk about him.
Sonny Clusters
August 30th, 2010
5:16 pm
Clusters can stay for a little bit.
sheeesh
August 30th, 2010
5:19 pm
Anyone who makes favorable comparisons between Kelly Johnson and Martin Prado is only looking at stats. If you had watched the two players on the field the last few years, it is obvious who the superior baseball player is. Clearly, at least to anyone who understands the game of baseball, it is Prado no matter how you slice it. As far as Johnson being a better option than Melky as an outfielder for this team, no. Melky can play all 3 OF positions and understands his role on the team.
Kelly Johnson was one of the players that current Braves have alluded to as being one of the players from last year “who did not want to be here”. It is one of the things that comes up occasionally when players are asked about the success of the team this year. Johnson did not fit in here last year and he would not have fit in here this year.
Try to gain an appreciation for the game of baseball rather than just looking at a bunch of stats. This is REAL baseball, not fantasy league or Strat-o-Matic. There is a whole lot more that goes into judging talent and player roles than just the numbers on a stat sheet.
If ANYONE else in the world of REAL baseball thought Johnson was worth much, he would have landed in a better spot for more money than where he is now. The Braves gave him a fair shot to prove himself. He failed here. They moved on. Nothing lost.
RC
August 30th, 2010
5:21 pm
Anyone think there might be something going on with Lowe’s arm? The reports yesterday are that he was shaking it a lot while on the mound, and his quotes from DOB sounded very cryptic and weird. The way he’s pitching I don’t think it’d be the worst thing in the world if he did need to be disabled for some period of time, since Kawakami should be able to at least replicate what Lowe has done his past few starts. And while I don’t wish any injury upon him, if Lowe is hurt that opens up the #4 playoff rotation spot for Minor, which I think would be a better option regardless, but assume that Bobby will err toward the side of the veteran.
Jon Greenville
August 30th, 2010
5:23 pm
DOB, great article and interview on ABT; one note, you mentioned Dan Kolb, I believe you meant Bob Wickman; they hammered him after he left because he only wanted to pitch during save situations.
Troy Glaus
August 30th, 2010
5:24 pm
Okay by me if you go, Sonny. Haha. Just playing.
I’m still gonna squash you about the Norton comment, though . . .
Glen W
August 30th, 2010
5:24 pm
I don’t think Lowe is 100%. He looks like is fighting some sort of discomfort after every pitch.
Ted
August 30th, 2010
5:26 pm
Heard the guys on 680 today talking about how Lowe just looks used up and done. Cant throw hard, has no command, and never goes deep into games anymore. A “good start” for Lowe now is him lasting 6 innings and allowing 3 or 4 runs, when that would be pretty bad for anyone else in the rotation.
At least the Prosebleed blog isnt afraid to say it-
“We can’t afford to ignore this situation any longer. It was annoying at first, then it got to be frustrating, now it is just sad. This guy is honestly going to ruin our season if we keep trotting him out there every 5th day. I know he costs a fortune, and the Braves don’t want that to go to waste, but at some point you have to just realize your mistake, eat it, and make an assertive decision to do what’s best for the team. Right now, any other option we have is better than Lowe.”
amen
http://ijustwanttofitin.com/braves-walk-off-again-to-take-series-from-fish-lowe-sucks/
noleeee
August 30th, 2010
5:27 pm
70 thou for a month of a callup is gonna limit the number of young guys called up. If they can’t use them, they likely aren’t gonna call them up
GT Fan
August 30th, 2010
5:27 pm
Jon Greenville -
Not sure the context, but both of those experiments were disasters.
Carroll Rogers
August 30th, 2010
5:28 pm
in case you didn’t see the tweets: Braves made a roster move today, sending Cristhian Martinez back to Gwinnett and calling up Kenshin Kawakami. Since Martinez went four innings yesterday, this allows them to have another long man in place, ready to go right away.
Derek Lowe didn’t want to talk about what’s bothering him again, but he had an ice pack on his right elbow. He said he would talk to us after he tests things out with a bullpen session tomorrow. So not sure that it’s anything serious but there’s something nagging him for sure.
Peter Moylan said today he received a cortisone shot on Friday and took off the weekend. He said he’s feeling better and ready to go but wasn’t sure if the Braves were ready to give him the green light yet. might explain why they decided to call on Craig Kimbrel for a couple of days.
braveslifer
August 30th, 2010
5:29 pm
“I don’t think Lowe is 100%. He looks like is fighting some sort of discomfort after every pitch.”
My sarcastic guess is its gout that developed from eating all of the rich food that $15M per year will buy you.
RC
August 30th, 2010
5:29 pm
I’m not saying I think Lowe should be released….to eat a contract like that if you don’t have to is sheer stupidity. I do think he needs to be evaluated by the medical staff though (if he hasn’t been already), and possibly given a short DL-stint (or just skip a start) to get his arm back to full strength.
noleeee
August 30th, 2010
5:29 pm
Anyone who makes favorable comparisons between Kelly Johnson and Martin Prado is only looking at stats SHEEESH
and not looking at them very well
Glen W
August 30th, 2010
5:29 pm
I think Wickman was the one that was notorious for wanting to only pitching in save situations and Kolb was the one that was notorious for soiling himself whenever he did pitch in a save situation.
GT Fan
August 30th, 2010
5:29 pm
Right now, any other option we have is better than Lowe.
Even KK?