Now, Moe Berg, don’t go arguing with facts. That isn’t Nick’s way. No, Nick says the Braves aren’t going to win the division, nor gain a wildcard berth. It’s over. According to the all-knowing Nick and his crystal ball, we Braves fans should pack up the tents and focus on football.
You know, all you eternal optimists on here are really great and admirable human beings I’m sure but I’m inclined to think that the Braves themselves would actually appreciate their fans being a little more tough on them for underperforming like most fans in other cities who actually give a s***.
That’s exactly the problem. They’re not underperforming. They have the second-best record in the NL. That is, under no circumstances, “underperforming.” Answer me this honestly: did you expect them to do this well at the beginning of the season? I sure didn’t. There were a hell of a lot of question marks for this team going in to the season, and the club has responded more than admirably.
The entire premise for your posts is faulty. Your expectations for this team range from extremely lofty to unreasonable. That, and you can’t see the big picture. You take take every at-bat, pitch, every game and turn it into a microcosm of their entire season. It’s a faulty philosophy for major league baseball. Works really well for football, though, but I can’t imagine how a guy like you can handle an entire football season without stroking out. It demonstrates your fanhood, certainly, but it also demonstrates your lack of understanding of the game. Baseball isn’t meant to be analyzed pitch-by-pitch. That’s why they play 162, champ.
Mitchell….. We all hate to see them lose, but you have to remember it’s a long season. Every team has ups and downs. You call “ballgame” every time they are trailing, it’s just ridiculous. Then you want us to give you credit when you’re right?? Come on man, realize that they are just as good as any NL team, and enjoy the ride.
Mitchell, I am begging you to answer my question….I really want to know who in your mind would do a significantly better job than Bobby has year in and year our for the last 20 years?
Fellow bloggers–Here’s a hypothetical scenerio: It’s a one game playoff against the Phillies. Who do the Braves start? Tim Hudson isn’t available, because he pitched yesterday. And for the sake of this scenerio, everyone else is available. Who would you start?
Now, at least according to .585, Hanson is “an overrated joke.” Good to know. Because I could have sworn he allowed just one run or fewer in his past five starts, dropping his ERA a full point to 3.41 before today.
Not that it matters. .585 says he’s “an overrated joke.” How dare he give up five runs in six innings. Get his red-headed butt out of here.
In the top of the first McCarver went to great lengths to explain that Heyward has a hurt thumb but fortunately it does not hurt when he hits. Great lengths
Then he called Marteeen , MartIn.
In the bottom of the first, when Ramirez was trying for second on his single, McCarver said ” that’s great base running, just great”
No it’s not, it was stupid base running. Ramirez should have been out by 10 or more feet. It was stupid base running that ended with a good result.
[...] still plans to retire after this season, as David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution writes here. The option, which is worth $6.5 million, kicked in when Wagner reached 50 games [...]
Exactly right Steve ….. Mitchell thinks they underperform ……….. I think they get everything they can from what they have to work with. .. And Mitchell talks about others wearing rose colored glasses.
Jurrjens..because for whatever reason Hanson seems to bring along some bad team defensive juju with him.Not Hanson’s fault but for some reason the errors creep up when he’s pitching.
Yes, I agree with y’all. But at the first sign of trouble, I bring in Venters and let him pitch as long as he can. And then close the deal with a rested Seito and Wagner
The reason why HAnson gives up so many hits with 2 strikes is that he is predictable…When he gets to 2 strikes it is always a breaking ball…He needs to use his fastball to blow hitters away…He also needs to throw the fastball up and also inside…Everything is away…Mix up his pitches and he will be even better
The entire premise for your posts is faulty. Your expectations for this team range from extremely lofty to unreasonable. That, and you can’t see the big picture. You take take every at-bat, pitch, every game and turn it into a microcosm of their entire season. It’s a faulty philosophy for major league baseball. Works really well for football, though, but I can’t imagine how a guy like you can handle an entire football season without stroking out. It demonstrates your fanhood, certainly, but it also demonstrates your lack of understanding of the game. Baseball isn’t meant to be analyzed pitch-by-pitch. That’s why they play 162, champ.
You know, it’s pretty obvious that certain people on this blog simply can’t enjoy the good things in life. The Braves are in first place, have the second best record in baseball, have held the Philthies in second place for months now, are playing as a team that always seems to have somebody different step up, and have certainly been exciting to watch. In other words, they are winning. And no matter how many games they win, there is a contingent of folks here that will find some fault to complain about. The manager sucks, the hitting sucks, the pitchers suck, etc., etc. Talk about a glass half empty outlook on life. Try to enjoy the little things fellas. It’s all we get in life.
i said it earlier and I’ll say it again; Hanson hasn’t learned to pitch when he doesn’t have his good stuff. Until he does, you can expect 2-4 good starts then a mess like this without fail.
Have there been any hints about who the manager will be next year? I can’t imagine it would be TP, as he has zero experience. In fact, if it was TP, I’d become a Mets fan in protest.
Baseball is a funny game. Check out these two wikipedia excerpts. Braves and Twins ended up with their “Face of the Franchise” the exact same way 11 years apart. Prior obviously had a bit more success, but the parallel is still remarkable…
In 2001, Prior re-entered the draft, and was considered by some to be the top prospect, but the Minnesota Twins, who had the top pick, were warned that Prior didn’t want to play for them. Fearing signability problems,[1] the Twins opted to take local talent catcher Joe Mauer, leaving Prior to be taken 2nd overall by the Chicago Cubs.
“After he completed his high school career at the Bolles School in Jacksonville, Florida, Jones was selected by the Atlanta Braves with the 1st pick overall in the 1990 amateur draft.[3] Jones was not the Braves original choice in the draft. General Manager Bobby Cox had been looking at Todd Van Poppel, but Van Poppel said he would not sign if he was drafted by Atlanta.”
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Big Tom Callahan
August 21st, 2010
7:53 pm
Now, Moe Berg, don’t go arguing with facts. That isn’t Nick’s way. No, Nick says the Braves aren’t going to win the division, nor gain a wildcard berth. It’s over. According to the all-knowing Nick and his crystal ball, we Braves fans should pack up the tents and focus on football.
In Nick we trust.
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
7:54 pm
You know, all you eternal optimists on here are really great and admirable human beings I’m sure but I’m inclined to think that the Braves themselves would actually appreciate their fans being a little more tough on them for underperforming like most fans in other cities who actually give a s***.
That’s exactly the problem. They’re not underperforming. They have the second-best record in the NL. That is, under no circumstances, “underperforming.” Answer me this honestly: did you expect them to do this well at the beginning of the season? I sure didn’t. There were a hell of a lot of question marks for this team going in to the season, and the club has responded more than admirably.
The entire premise for your posts is faulty. Your expectations for this team range from extremely lofty to unreasonable. That, and you can’t see the big picture. You take take every at-bat, pitch, every game and turn it into a microcosm of their entire season. It’s a faulty philosophy for major league baseball. Works really well for football, though, but I can’t imagine how a guy like you can handle an entire football season without stroking out. It demonstrates your fanhood, certainly, but it also demonstrates your lack of understanding of the game. Baseball isn’t meant to be analyzed pitch-by-pitch. That’s why they play 162, champ.
.585
August 21st, 2010
7:55 pm
I’ll say it again….Hanson’s an overrated joke!
The A Bomb
August 21st, 2010
7:57 pm
MISTERRRRRRRR……..KENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEDDDDDDYYYYYY……
4-0 Nats
Brava
August 21st, 2010
7:57 pm
Nats 4
Phils 0
Jeff
August 21st, 2010
7:57 pm
4-0 NATS. 1ST AND 2ND 0 OUTS. KEEP ADDING ON.. why cant the Braves do this. SCORE First and Earlyy..
njbraves
August 21st, 2010
7:57 pm
Mitchell….. We all hate to see them lose, but you have to remember it’s a long season. Every team has ups and downs. You call “ballgame” every time they are trailing, it’s just ridiculous. Then you want us to give you credit when you’re right?? Come on man, realize that they are just as good as any NL team, and enjoy the ride.
westgadave
August 21st, 2010
7:58 pm
Mitchell, I am begging you to answer my question….I really want to know who in your mind would do a significantly better job than Bobby has year in and year our for the last 20 years?
Brava
August 21st, 2010
7:58 pm
A Bomb
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
7:59 pm
Fun fact:
Coming into today’s play, the Braves were 8-2 in their last 10 games.
The Phillies were 7-3.
They’re sure coming on fast…
Jeff
August 21st, 2010
7:59 pm
Bases Loaded nobody outtt…. 4-0 Nats.
Playoffs!!!!
August 21st, 2010
7:59 pm
Fellow bloggers–Here’s a hypothetical scenerio: It’s a one game playoff against the Phillies. Who do the Braves start? Tim Hudson isn’t available, because he pitched yesterday. And for the sake of this scenerio, everyone else is available. Who would you start?
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
8:00 pm
Jair Jurrjens or Tommy Hanson, Playoffs. I’m happy with either one of the two.
Wow...
August 21st, 2010
8:01 pm
Jurrjens, no question.
.585
August 21st, 2010
8:01 pm
Playoffs!!!! -
Jurrjens!
Big Tom Callahan
August 21st, 2010
8:01 pm
Now, at least according to .585, Hanson is “an overrated joke.” Good to know. Because I could have sworn he allowed just one run or fewer in his past five starts, dropping his ERA a full point to 3.41 before today.
Not that it matters. .585 says he’s “an overrated joke.” How dare he give up five runs in six innings. Get his red-headed butt out of here.
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:02 pm
I’d go with Jurrjens.
The A Bomb
August 21st, 2010
8:03 pm
Strasburg is fast!
5-0 WASHINGTON
MIBraveeeeesFan
August 21st, 2010
8:03 pm
A Bomb – you’re running off the screen there but I think I know whose name you’re spelling
Yeah Nats!
Big Tom Callahan
August 21st, 2010
8:04 pm
Wait, Steve, you can’t hear the Phillies train baring down? Those same Phillies who are down 5-0 in the top of the third to the Nats?
That just can’t be. Nick says so.
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 21st, 2010
8:04 pm
In the top of the first McCarver went to great lengths to explain that Heyward has a hurt thumb but fortunately it does not hurt when he hits. Great lengths
Then he called Marteeen , MartIn.
In the bottom of the first, when Ramirez was trying for second on his single, McCarver said ” that’s great base running, just great”
No it’s not, it was stupid base running. Ramirez should have been out by 10 or more feet. It was stupid base running that ended with a good result.
And it went down hill from there.
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:04 pm
5-0 Nats!
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
8:04 pm
Big Tom–I’m just delusional from the fear. They’re too scary.
I’m scared.
The A Bomb
August 21st, 2010
8:05 pm
Kennneddddyy.
Wagner still plans to retire, Mets may limit Niese’s work
August 21st, 2010
8:05 pm
[...] still plans to retire after this season, as David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution writes here. The option, which is worth $6.5 million, kicked in when Wagner reached 50 games [...]
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:06 pm
Oh, and don’t forget, he called Omar “Infantee” all game, Bat.
MIBraveeeeesFan
August 21st, 2010
8:07 pm
The A Bomb
August 21st, 2010
8:05 pm
Kennneddddyy.
I got it A Bomb!
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 21st, 2010
8:08 pm
Exactly right Steve ….. Mitchell thinks they underperform ……….. I think they get everything they can from what they have to work with. .. And Mitchell talks about others wearing rose colored glasses.
joe
August 21st, 2010
8:08 pm
Jurrjens..because for whatever reason Hanson seems to bring along some bad team defensive juju with him.Not Hanson’s fault but for some reason the errors creep up when he’s pitching.
Playoffs!!!!
August 21st, 2010
8:08 pm
Yes, I agree with y’all. But at the first sign of trouble, I bring in Venters and let him pitch as long as he can. And then close the deal with a rested Seito and Wagner
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
8:09 pm
Playoffs–Venters is the guy I want pitching to Ryan Howard in that big moment with 2 on and 2 outs late in the game. Venters will eat his lunch.
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 21st, 2010
8:10 pm
Brava _
McCarver drives me over the edge. I wonder if this is how Mitchell feels?
BravesFanChris25
August 21st, 2010
8:13 pm
5-0
The A Bomb
August 21st, 2010
8:13 pm
Funny….. a few months ago WHO THE HELL IS JONNY VENTERS?
That’s why some of this prospect talk is fine, but teams get better in a big hurry when the unexpected draftee REALLY steps up.
We forget that while we rip Hanson he was a 22nd round pick. Not bad.
Venters: 30th round, 2003. Wow.
MIBraveeeeesFan
August 21st, 2010
8:17 pm
Braves know how to draft pitchers, always have. Sometimes some of the late round guys turn out to be the real gems!
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 21st, 2010
8:18 pm
Maybe it’s just that I don’t think gross incompetence should be rewarded.
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:18 pm
Venters is off the charts amazing. I don’t remember ever having so much confidence in a reliever to get the job done, no matter the situation.
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 21st, 2010
8:20 pm
And now I sound like Mitchell………….. The McCarver meltdown is complete.
IVAN ...
August 21st, 2010
8:20 pm
Replace Coxie with who?
I say spend the money and hire Dusty Baker.
He hasn’t committed to the Reds yet………
And hire a hitting coach who can help this team…
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:21 pm
Bat, maybe that’s how Mitchell feels about Bobby, but I can’t understand that. He’s not perfect, but he gets if right most of the time.
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:22 pm
Bat, maybe that’s how Mitchell feels about Bobby, but I can’t understand that. He’s not perfect, but he gets it right most of the time.
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:23 pm
Oops.
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
8:24 pm
Wilkin Ramirez and Freddie Freeman with HR for Gwinnett tonight. Freddie also with the BB.
Ramirez might end up being a shrewd pickup for FW. Could prove valuable as a fill-in at some point.
MIBraveeeeesFan
August 21st, 2010
8:24 pm
A Bomb – Tommy and Jonny are perfect proof of the saying – it’s not where you start, it’s where you finish.
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
8:25 pm
I say spend the money and hire Dusty Baker
Dear Lord, no. You think Cox abuses Venters? Wait ’till Dusty gets ahold of him. And Minor. And Hanson. And whoever else is pitching well at the time.
Crime Dog
August 21st, 2010
8:25 pm
I say spend the money and hire Dusty Baker.
What have Tommy Hanson, Jair Jurrjens and Mike Minor’s UCLs ever done to you?
IVAN ...
August 21st, 2010
8:29 pm
damn…………………………………….
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 21st, 2010
8:29 pm
Brava _
Yeah, McCarver driving me nuts is reasonable because McCarver is an idiot. Mitchell is unreasonably crazy when it come to the Braves.
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:30 pm
Nats 5
Phils 1
MIBraveeeeesFan
August 21st, 2010
8:32 pm
What inning Brava?
.585
August 21st, 2010
8:32 pm
Phils are layin’ in the weeds……like a snake.
MIBraveeeeesFan
August 21st, 2010
8:33 pm
They shoot snakes don’t they?
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
8:34 pm
Phils are layin’ in the weeds……like a snake.
Ah…funny how the tone changes. Yesterday they were “coming on fast!” Now they’re “layin’ in the weeds.”
You’re a funny guy, Mixxo. But we’re not laughing with you…
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:35 pm
fifth inning
RHR
August 21st, 2010
8:35 pm
Brava
August 21st, 2010
7:57 pm
Nats 4
Phils 0
But its a professional 4-0.
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
8:36 pm
Like a professional 0-4 from Loaf, RHR?
David O'Brien
August 21st, 2010
8:36 pm
And the Phillies are losing 5-1 to the Nats in the fifth inning. Braves and Phillies have been in lockstep for a while now.
RHR
August 21st, 2010
8:36 pm
2 months ago it was “the phillies are coming, it won’t be long now” …
Rob from SC
August 21st, 2010
8:37 pm
The reason why HAnson gives up so many hits with 2 strikes is that he is predictable…When he gets to 2 strikes it is always a breaking ball…He needs to use his fastball to blow hitters away…He also needs to throw the fastball up and also inside…Everything is away…Mix up his pitches and he will be even better
.585
August 21st, 2010
8:37 pm
Tone hasn’t changed Genius, they’re comin’ alright and not even breathin’ hard!
RHR
August 21st, 2010
8:37 pm
Zackly right, Steve. The Phillies should sign Loaf. They may be scared of all that professionalism under one roof.
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 21st, 2010
8:38 pm
Big fan of Strasburg…..right now
joe
August 21st, 2010
8:38 pm
Is the rule on the wildcard still in place where you cant play the same team in your division in the first round or did they nix that?
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
8:38 pm
Too much professionalism for the Philly faithful to handle, I think. Ruben Jr.’s got a bottom line to think about, after all…
RHR
August 21st, 2010
8:39 pm
Wow. Not even breathing hard after almost 3 months of chasing us?
More professional and gritty than I thought!
IVAN ...
August 21st, 2010
8:40 pm
dob —
Phillies seem to play better ’small ball’ than the Braves.
They have a more speed oriented approach, which I hope someday we will have.
Current regime here will have to depart before I see that happening…………
DR. IVAN
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 21st, 2010
8:41 pm
Crap Strasburg leaving with injury
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 21st, 2010
8:42 pm
was grabbing his elbow…….not good
Jeff
August 21st, 2010
8:42 pm
there goes the win for the Nats.. hes comin out.
Brava
August 21st, 2010
8:43 pm
Uh oh, Strasburg is out, Stammen in.
RHR
August 21st, 2010
8:43 pm
oh noez! here come teh professionals!
RHR
August 21st, 2010
8:44 pm
welp, i’m going to eat before the sky falls.
later, taters.
Salty Dawg
August 21st, 2010
8:45 pm
The entire premise for your posts is faulty. Your expectations for this team range from extremely lofty to unreasonable. That, and you can’t see the big picture. You take take every at-bat, pitch, every game and turn it into a microcosm of their entire season. It’s a faulty philosophy for major league baseball. Works really well for football, though, but I can’t imagine how a guy like you can handle an entire football season without stroking out. It demonstrates your fanhood, certainly, but it also demonstrates your lack of understanding of the game. Baseball isn’t meant to be analyzed pitch-by-pitch. That’s why they play 162, champ.
STOP!!! TOO…MUCH…COMMON SENSE. CAN’T…BREATH.
JC Bravo
August 21st, 2010
8:46 pm
What if Strasburg became Mark Prior? Would the Nats franchise survive?
Crime Dog
August 21st, 2010
8:48 pm
What if Strasburg became Mark Prior? Would the Nats franchise survive?
I know I would actually feel bad for them. That would be a pretty demoralizing loss for a franchise that hasn’t had much to be happy about.
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 21st, 2010
8:49 pm
JC bravo
Kinda sucks how Jordan Zimmerman, John Lanna, Stephen Strasburg are all having injury problems..They are actually a very good group of pitchers.
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 21st, 2010
8:51 pm
Phuck the Phils
Salty Dawg
August 21st, 2010
8:51 pm
You know, it’s pretty obvious that certain people on this blog simply can’t enjoy the good things in life. The Braves are in first place, have the second best record in baseball, have held the Philthies in second place for months now, are playing as a team that always seems to have somebody different step up, and have certainly been exciting to watch. In other words, they are winning. And no matter how many games they win, there is a contingent of folks here that will find some fault to complain about. The manager sucks, the hitting sucks, the pitchers suck, etc., etc. Talk about a glass half empty outlook on life. Try to enjoy the little things fellas. It’s all we get in life.
.585
August 21st, 2010
8:53 pm
Professionals never quit.
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 21st, 2010
8:54 pm
Howard-Fat
Utley-kool
Rollins-over rated
Polanco- under rated
Werth- wife banger
Victorino- douchebag
Ibanez- plain out fugly
JC Bravo
August 21st, 2010
8:55 pm
If Strasburg did bust out I’d guess you wouldn’t see any $15MM guaranteed contracts handed out to draft picks for awhile…
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 21st, 2010
8:55 pm
In 3-4 years the Nationals are gonna be serious WS contenders
ryan
August 21st, 2010
8:55 pm
IVAN hire Baker hell he has been around forever to with no ring. Freeman #17 cant wait till next year.
IVAN ...
August 21st, 2010
8:59 pm
RYAN………. And your choices??????
JC Bravo
August 21st, 2010
8:59 pm
I think it’s kinda obvious that Fredi will be the guy next year.
IVAN ...
August 21st, 2010
9:04 pm
I’d vote for Fredi, yes I would. Gotta be an up-grade…………
TP must go…………..
DOESN’T HAVE TO LEAVE, BUT HE CAN’T STAY HERE !!!!!!!!!!!
JC Bravo
August 21st, 2010
9:05 pm
MASN really tried to hype an upcoming Nats-Pirates game.
Every game has a DEFINING MOMENT. Maholm, Zimmerman….who will own it?
Funny stuff…
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
9:08 pm
Morse, Resop. Who will blow it?
JC Bravo
August 21st, 2010
9:08 pm
Rob Dibble just compared the Strasburg situation to Prior since Riggleman happened to manage both.
JC Bravo
August 21st, 2010
9:09 pm
Funny Steve.
Where did everybody go? Sick of all the Bitchelling?
Dan-82ndAirborne
August 21st, 2010
9:12 pm
i said it earlier and I’ll say it again; Hanson hasn’t learned to pitch when he doesn’t have his good stuff. Until he does, you can expect 2-4 good starts then a mess like this without fail.
Dan-82ndAirborne
August 21st, 2010
9:14 pm
Have there been any hints about who the manager will be next year? I can’t imagine it would be TP, as he has zero experience. In fact, if it was TP, I’d become a Mets fan in protest.
Brava
August 21st, 2010
9:17 pm
Still 5-1 Nats going into the 7th.
JC Bravo
August 21st, 2010
9:18 pm
Baseball is a funny game. Check out these two wikipedia excerpts. Braves and Twins ended up with their “Face of the Franchise” the exact same way 11 years apart. Prior obviously had a bit more success, but the parallel is still remarkable…
In 2001, Prior re-entered the draft, and was considered by some to be the top prospect, but the Minnesota Twins, who had the top pick, were warned that Prior didn’t want to play for them. Fearing signability problems,[1] the Twins opted to take local talent catcher Joe Mauer, leaving Prior to be taken 2nd overall by the Chicago Cubs.
“After he completed his high school career at the Bolles School in Jacksonville, Florida, Jones was selected by the Atlanta Braves with the 1st pick overall in the 1990 amateur draft.[3] Jones was not the Braves original choice in the draft. General Manager Bobby Cox had been looking at Todd Van Poppel, but Van Poppel said he would not sign if he was drafted by Atlanta.”
Brava
August 21st, 2010
9:18 pm
Dan, no. Most think it will be Fredi Gonzalez.
Dan-82ndAirborne
August 21st, 2010
9:32 pm
I really have no fear that it would be TP, but I suppose I could see either Fredi or Ned Yost if they could pry him away.
cheshire
August 21st, 2010
9:32 pm
.585, did you actually call me “chief”?
DiamondbackMac
August 21st, 2010
9:36 pm
Don’t forget about the dark horse candidate: Eddie Perez
Steve from OH
August 21st, 2010
9:37 pm
I like Eddie, honesty. Think he’ll do a nice job.
DiamondbackMac
August 21st, 2010
9:40 pm
Steve
I think he would make a great player’s manager much like Bobby.