Mulling over Derrek Lee and his fit with the Braves

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tony austin

August 18th, 2010
5:12 pm

Snotboogie – just someone looking for attention IMO.

Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson

August 18th, 2010
5:12 pm

Couch Tater
August 18th, 2010
4:55 pm

That led me to this, damn……. Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGF6WPuSpM

cbweathermaneeeee

August 18th, 2010
5:13 pm

although, that last tweet about the cubs broadcast is probably DOB from home…

They just said on the air of the Cubs game that Derrek Lee would hold a press conference after their afternoon game with the Padres
less than 10 seconds ago via TweetDeck

tiger297

August 18th, 2010
5:13 pm

brekky

things getting better up there for you?

Wayne in Utah

August 18th, 2010
5:13 pm

XM is reporting the press conference after the Cubs game today.

Tomas

August 18th, 2010
5:13 pm

Mark says it’s mid-level prospects…..What would a mid-level prospect be?

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:15 pm

Mark says it’s mid-level prospects…..What would a mid-level prospect be?

My employer would probably describe me as a mid-level prospect.

MiaBchBravesFan

August 18th, 2010
5:15 pm

Glen W: “I think you were all in favor of trading good prospects to get him.”

“I think???” While the rest of the blog was shooting for pie in the sky, my ENTIRE premise for trading for D Lee was the fact that all factors – if he accepted a trade to Atlanta – pointed towards an inexpensive trade option. At the time, Lee had a sub-.250 BA and (for him) low power numbers, Whatever the Braves give up now, they would’ve given up the same thing – OR LESS – back in July, because of ALL the factors involved: you know them well.

To say that I was willing to give up the earth and sky for D. Lee back in early July is just a plain lie on your part. The D. Lee trade at that time was a genuine buy-low proposition that would’ve benefitted the Braves for the past month. If you can find the blog entry where I proposed specific prospects, hell, for that matters anyone, for Lee, please find it.

Or, you are just wrong and have a beef with my correctitude, dude.

tiger297

August 18th, 2010
5:15 pm

Glen…must be nice to be young…don’t think my employer describes me as a prospect anymore

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:16 pm

I’ going with Mycal Jones. What do you think, Nolee?

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:17 pm

Glen…must be nice to be young

I’m not that young, almost 40. I was just making a joke.

Lew

August 18th, 2010
5:17 pm

A mid level prospect would likely be an A or AA player who isn’t considered Teheran, Del Gado, Vizcaino or anyone vaguely similar.

P-Town Brave

August 18th, 2010
5:18 pm

So DLee will have his presser in Chitown in about a 1/2 hr or so once the Cubs finish another loss…

They’re currently starting the bottom of the 9th

Snotboogie

August 18th, 2010
5:18 pm

I’ going with Mycal Jones.

Doubt they’d want a SS after Starlin Castro.
Probably 1 pitcher and a position player.How about that?

Lew

August 18th, 2010
5:18 pm

GlenW-It’s all relative – to me, almost 40 is young.

Ease® in Woodstock

August 18th, 2010
5:19 pm

Hmmmm, I seem to recall another who used to post that really loved his props for predictions. Quite untasteful that chap was…

tony austin

August 18th, 2010
5:20 pm

Cubs v Padres over, announcement?

Wayne in Utah

August 18th, 2010
5:20 pm

Glen

Youth is a relative thing. To me, you are DAMNED young! To nolie, CB, Bat and Lew, I am a kid!

:lol:

P-Town Brave

August 18th, 2010
5:21 pm

Derrek Lee’s tenure with the Cubs is officially OVER!

tiger297

August 18th, 2010
5:21 pm

don’t forget to McFann he is really old

Snotboogie

August 18th, 2010
5:21 pm

To nolie, CB, Bat and Lew, I am a kid!

Wait – Bat is from that generation?
I wouldnt have guessed at all.

mike jones

August 18th, 2010
5:21 pm

I’m not saying glaus isn’t trying his best. His best just isn’t going to get us deep into the playoffs. He’s a big dude who needs to rest his knees. I think we will all be happier with lee at first and Glaus on the DL getting healthy.

Wayne in Utah

August 18th, 2010
5:21 pm

Lew

Didn’t see your post, but had to put in a jab or two…..couldn’t resist.

Lew

August 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

I’m almost 60 and I’m not even close to being the oldest here in DOBLand.

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

MiaBchBravesFan,

Dude, calm down. Yes, I said “I think” because I am not sure. I’m not wrong, I just mis-remembered it. Actually, I just assumed that if you raised it so enthusiastically as a possibility that you must of thought it was worth giving up something to get him.

But I have no idea why you think I was in the other camp. I was open to tha Braves getting anyone for 1B or CF that could produce at any nominal level that did not cost us a good prospect. Even better if they bat right-handed and have any power at all.

The only things that I’ve been saying along that would not happen are Aramis Ramirez, Chris Young, etc. Anyone that came along with future contract obligations.

Ease® in Woodstock

August 18th, 2010
5:22 pm

Recall one time he called the exact score, yes the exact score of a Cowgirls game (who could believe it?)…that was one prop hungry SOB…

P-Town Brave

August 18th, 2010
5:23 pm

Wainwright loses his 7th today…

There’s another opening for Huddy…

Tomas

August 18th, 2010
5:23 pm

4:22pm: The Braves and Cubs appear to be in the final stages of the deal and multiple sources seem confident that the teams will complete the trade within two hours, according to MLB.com’s Mark Bowman.

GTSteve

August 18th, 2010
5:23 pm

“I’m not that young, almost 40. I was just making a joke.”

And it was a damn good one Glen

Bravesfan4life

August 18th, 2010
5:23 pm

I have a feeling its going to be P Erik Cordier for Lee. I hope its not.

Rodney Derrick

August 18th, 2010
5:24 pm

MLB says official, and minor league pitchers

CraZyTRaDeMaN ©

August 18th, 2010
5:24 pm

Ease®, You’re now registered nice!

PDOG

August 18th, 2010
5:25 pm

Watching MLB and they just reported that it is a done deal Lee for 2 pitching prospects. Hold your breath.

tiger297

August 18th, 2010
5:25 pm

Glen…I was simply following up on your joke with my own…guess mine must have fallen flat

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:26 pm

Wayne/Lew – it is all relative. But I have a fine appreciation for the experience and knowledge one develops over the course of time.

Lew

August 18th, 2010
5:26 pm

Prospects being a somewhat generic term. It won’t be anyone Wren has claimed wouldn’t be traded. Pitching is one area wee have covred in spades.

P-Town Brave

August 18th, 2010
5:26 pm

Rosenthal is saying THREE pitching prospects…

PDOG

August 18th, 2010
5:26 pm

Wouldn’t mind if it was Lopez and Masters

Snotboogie

August 18th, 2010
5:27 pm

Ha – good to know its midlevel pitching prospects. We are fairly deep in that. No position players , even mid level are affordable for us right now.

tony austin

August 18th, 2010
5:27 pm

MLBTR is saying 3 pitching prospects.

Captain Clarence Oveur

August 18th, 2010
5:27 pm

From Ken Rosenthal via Twitter:

Deal done: Lee to #Braves for three pitching prospects. #Cubs #MLB

N8

August 18th, 2010
5:27 pm

Just giving you crap DOB (but you already knew that).

You obviously love what you do, otherwise you’d just stop bloging with the peeps once you’ve posted the blog. Perhaps occasionally answering a valid question.

Am I jealous that your job allows you be around baseball all the time (or most of the time)? Absolutely. Just like I’m jealous of my ex-bandmate that is the editor for Vintage Guitar magazine when he emails me to let me know that he just got off the phone with Joe Walsh, Billy Gibbons or Ace Frehley for an interview for the mag.

But like the two of you, I didn’t go to school to write for a newspaper or a magazine.

I’m also not stupid enough to realize that even if you love your job, it doesn’t get on your nerves once in a while. It happens.

I love playing guitar and jamming with my wannabe bands. I don’t get paid much for it and put WAY too much effort and manual labor humping gear along with spending too many days on snowy, icy upper-midwest interstates and highways. But that’s the price you pay for the 3-4 hours of happiness on stage.

Similarily, I imagine that the “fun” portion of your work day is the actual baseball game. Like giggin’ with a band, NOBODY sees the rest of the work that goes into it. I still have family members that give me crap for making “over $50 bucks an hour” playing in a band, for clearing 400-500 bucks for a two day weekend. Because they assume that the 8 hours on stage is the only work we do.

No consideration for writing, practicing (not to mention 25+ years of working my ass off to play guitar), fixing gear, driving, setting up, tearing down, making phone calls to book gigs, etc…. etc….

Nobody’s job is EVER as easy as it seems on the surface.

I once had a buddy that did camera repair and his prices were very high because he was the only local guy doing it. Some customer one day ripped him a new one for charging him $75.00 to simply turn a screw.

To which my buddy responded….“yeah… but I know which screw to turn”

Anyhow… off to shoot photos. Enjoy the game everybody.

Lew

August 18th, 2010
5:27 pm

GlenW=The real problem is the knowledge and experience one forgets over time.

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:28 pm

2 pitchers, huh? I’ll guess one is Chris Masters.

JoeBrave

August 18th, 2010
5:28 pm

Three prospects? better be really crappy spects!

GTSteve

August 18th, 2010
5:28 pm

3 pitching prospects…hopefully nobody I have ever heard of

tony austin

August 18th, 2010
5:28 pm

3!! For a month and a half of DLee. The Cubs better be picking up >90% of his remaining salary.

Wayne in Utah

August 18th, 2010
5:28 pm

I’m going to hate to see guys like Scott Proctor and James Parr go…..

:lol:

John in NY

August 18th, 2010
5:28 pm

is Mannywood next? Just kidding don’t see the Braves taking another 5 mil in salary

Captain Clarence Oveur

August 18th, 2010
5:29 pm

More Rosenthal:

Three young pitchers to #Cubs: RH Robinson Lopez, RH Tyrelle Harris, LH Jeffrey Lorick. #Braves #MLB

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:29 pm

I’ll add Robinson Lopez to that list.

Nova Scotia Steve

August 18th, 2010
5:29 pm

It’s official

#Cubs will get 3 minor-league pitchers from #Braves for Derrek Lee — RHP Robinson Lopez, RHP Tyrelle Harris & LHP Jeffrey Lorick

J-Hey the Hero

August 18th, 2010
5:29 pm

P-Town

Where are you getting that this trade is done?

CB

August 18th, 2010
5:29 pm

Wait a minute now…. did somebody call me old (6)

BravoMan

August 18th, 2010
5:29 pm

3 guys I’ve never heard of. I’m watching the conference

Crime Dog

August 18th, 2010
5:30 pm

RT @Ken_Rosenthal: Three young pitchers to #Cubs: RH Robinson Lopez, RH Tyrelle Harris, LH Jeffrey Lorick. #Braves #MLB

Captain Clarence Oveur

August 18th, 2010
5:30 pm

Cubs are sending cash to the Braves.

Nova Scotia Steve

August 18th, 2010
5:30 pm

Give me a break with those complaining – as if you know who these “prospects” are…

Jesus…get real

MiaBchBravesFan

August 18th, 2010
5:30 pm

Glen W: “The only things that I’ve been saying along that would not happen are Aramis Ramirez, Chris Young, etc. Anyone that came along with future contract obligations.”

My points exactly! In his walk year, and doing poorly at the time, Lee was ripe for the picking. If the Braves would’ve pulled the trigger at the All Star break, they’d be 5 to 7 games up on the Phils right now. Everything at the time pointed towards the Braves making that move. Bobby thought that, because of his April faith turning into May success, lightning would strike twice with Glaus getting better.

Sometimes, I am smarter than Bobby. A post-PEDS body with a bad knee never recovers in its mid-30’s. Time was wasted.

CB

August 18th, 2010
5:30 pm

Well,screwed up again.

Nova Scotia Steve

August 18th, 2010
5:30 pm

It’s all over twitter – deal is official

Lew

August 18th, 2010
5:31 pm

Doesn’t sound expensive to me. Never heard of any of them – likely only richbrave has – or maybe a scout or two.

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:31 pm

And if thee is a third one, I’ll go with Cory Rasmus.

Or Lorick.

Bravesfan4life

August 18th, 2010
5:31 pm

How did Ken get deal info more quicker than our on Braves writer DOB and Mark?

Braint

August 18th, 2010
5:32 pm

N8 = Norma Rae

Tomas

August 18th, 2010
5:32 pm

The Cubs get right-hander Robinson Lopez, right-hander Tyrelle Harris and left-hander Jeffrey Lorick and the Braves get cash, according to Rosenthal.

Never heard anything about any of them….Yes

GTSteve

August 18th, 2010
5:32 pm

Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson

August 18th, 2010
5:32 pm

Youth is a relative thing. To me, you are DAMNED young! To nolie, CB, Bat and Lew, I am a kid! _ Wayne in Utah

Hold on a minute there old timer, well respecting my elders I should say Mr. Old Timer.

Lew

August 18th, 2010
5:32 pm

Of course, sometime in eight or ten years, one of them will come upo and have a great month or two and bloggers will lament their passing from the land of the tomahawk, bitching =, moanoing and groaning all the whle.

P-Town Brave

August 18th, 2010
5:32 pm

OUCH…

Robinson Lopez was one of the prospects….

Jeff321

August 18th, 2010
5:32 pm

Glausy on the benchy while Mr. Lee plays a little first? I’m down with that.

And I’m sure Mac will appreciate pitchers being able to attempt pick offs without our first baseman missing the ball.

GTSteve

August 18th, 2010
5:33 pm

“Cubs are sending cash to the Braves.”

I wish they would send me some

Colin

August 18th, 2010
5:33 pm

I see no prospects there that say I will turn into winner..but D Lee is a winner.

MiaBchBravesFan

August 18th, 2010
5:33 pm

Rosenthal:

Three young pitchers to Cubs: RH Robinson Lopez, RH Tyrelle Harris, LH Jeffrey Lorick. Braves-MLB

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HELL, I’LL THROW IN A SIX PACK OF BILLY BEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael B

August 18th, 2010
5:33 pm

Braves also got cash in the deal…I wonder how much?

GboroBravo

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

4:25pm: The Braves acquire Lee for three pitching prospects, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter). Chicago gets get right-hander Robinson Lopez, right-hander Tyrelle Harris and left-hander Jeffrey Lorick according to the Cubs, who will send the Braves money in the deal.

refreshed

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

The Cubs get right-hander Robinson Lopez, right-hander Tyrelle Harris and left-hander Jeffrey Lorick according to the Cubs, who will send the Braves money in the deal.

According to MLBTR

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

If the Braves would’ve pulled the trigger at the All Star break, they’d be 5 to 7 games up on the Phils right now.

There is no doubt he would have cost more to get him then. I know the Cubs would have saved more money, but that was before other teams made other moves which reduced the number of potential trade partners for the Cubs.

I give FW credit for holding out until the price was right.

Mitchie-san

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

Wayne in Utah

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

Robinson Lopez is the main loss there. He was a decent prospect for sure. I think Lorrick and Harris were midling prospects.

But for sure, some folks will pooh pooh this deal.

Great trade!

Bobby Hill

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

I guess we can all exhale now.

John in NY

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

4:25pm: The Braves acquire Lee for three pitching prospects, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter). The Cubs get right-hander Robinson Lopez, right-hander Tyrelle Harris and left-hander Jeffrey Lorick according to the Cubs, who will send the Braves money in the deal.

So now everyone can stop going off the deep about top prospects. There is one thing we have seen from Wren, he is not dealing players who he feels will help the team really soon.

Memphis

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

Great Trade.

the bravery

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

robinson lopez. tyrelle harris, and jeffrey locke is who they got. we get lee and some money

P-Town Brave

August 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

Listening to Jim Hendry sounds like he may cry…

But says he went to Derrek and said he talked to him Sunday night and into Monday and said he’s very happy for Derrek and that Derrek had decided by Monday afternoon that he wanted to go to Atlanta…

They didn’t discuss any names at all until last night as it was ultimately just that he wanted to give Derrek a chance to win and give him the option of coming to Atlanta.

Michael B

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

How young is too young? Just curious.

MiaBchBravesFan

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

P-Town Brave: dude, I’ll go to the street right now and find you 10 Robinson Lopez’s for a dollar!!!

Will

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

This was a very good trade, period!

semibalcoach

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

y’all are idiots…complain about non trade and now wren makes a deal and you complain about 3 guys you never heard of

the bravery

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

wow my bad on the lateness haha

David O'Brien

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

I’m sure Carroll’s in clubhouse getting info, can’t be at her computer to update you all. Here’s release the Braves sent out a while ago:

ATLANTA – The Atlanta Braves and Chicago Cubs announced today that the two clubs completed a four-player trade. The Braves have acquired first baseman Derrek Lee and cash considerations from the Cubs in exchange for minor-league pitchers Tyrelle Harris (RHP), Robinson Lopez (RHP) and Jeffrey Lorick (LHP). Lee is expected to join the Braves on Friday, when the Club travels to Chicago to open a three-game series at Wrigley Field. He will wear uniform #27.

A three-time Gold Glove winner and two-time All-Star, Lee is in his 14th Major League season and owns a .282 career batting average with 309 home runs and 995 RBIs in 1,790 games. In 109 games for the Cubs this season he hit .251 with 16 home runs and 56 RBIs. Lee is batting .313 with six home runs and 20 RBIs in 24 games since the All-Star break, including .306 with four homers and eight RBIs in 10 games in August. He had four homers in a three-game weekend series at St. Louis, August 13-15.

The 34-year-old Lee finished ninth in voting for the National League’s Most Valuable Player Award last season, when he hit .306 with 35 homers and 111 RBIs. In 2005, he finished third in the league’s MVP voting and won the Silver Slugger Award when he led the circuit with a .335 batting average and scored 120 runs with 46 home runs, 99 extra-base hits and 107 RBIs.

The 6-foot-5, 245-pound Lee spent one season with the San Diego Padres (1997), six seasons with the Florida Marlins (1998-2003) and nearly seven seasons with the Cubs (2004-2010). He was a first-round draft pick (14th overall) by the Padres in 1993, and in 2003, he helped the Marlins win a World Series Championship over the New York Yankees.

PDOG

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

I don’t like giving up Harris, Lopez has been rated high but has done very little this year, Lorick I don’t know, you sure it isn’t Locke?

VaBravesFan

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

With so much pitching talent in the minors trading some guys we never heard of for a new 1B is a great deal.

Colin

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

this trade could have not been done anymore beautifully unless we got him for Chip Caray.

Bobby Hill

August 18th, 2010
5:35 pm

Would Wren have made this move if Chipper hadn’t gotten hurt?

Glen W

August 18th, 2010
5:36 pm

Doesn’t sound expensive to me. Never heard of any of them – likely only richbrave has – or maybe a scout or two.

Hey I predicted Lopez… and Lorick as a possibility. I hadn’t seen the deal when I threw Lorick’s name in there.. honestly. But I’m not going to go off on a MIA-like celebration.

dpelfrey

August 18th, 2010
5:36 pm

Won’t say I’m upset over any of those three pitchers. Tyrelle Harris might be decent, but I don’t think any of them are imminent major leaguers.

JoeBrave

August 18th, 2010
5:36 pm

Of the 3 only Lopez, is a future stud! Harris has a nice era, but struggles mightily with his command for a power pitching lefty!

sidslidkid

August 18th, 2010
5:36 pm

You gotta give Frank Wren credit for being able to pull something like this off. Very impressive… hope it pans out.

Michael B

August 18th, 2010
5:36 pm

D.Lee is a big right handed bat. Nice to finally have one

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