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CB
August 18th, 2010
3:37 pm
Eric Greg umps all his games, SoWeGa.
P-Town Brave
August 18th, 2010
3:38 pm
McFann-
Very funny…and I don’t know about the whole “clog up” the bases…
Wouldn’t BMac be clearing them
And yes, we ALL know your love for his batting 5th
All Frequent Bloggers -
Who do you think is in the deal?
burdell
August 18th, 2010
3:38 pm
Actually the lineup came from the hardest working guy in baseball writing – DOB.
Although I picture him in a completely black man-cave, smoking a cigar, Big Lebowski on the TV, Will Ohman polishing a Harley in the background, and DOB using an i-Phone to send in reports. Meanwhile a band of blog groupies are yelling outside the window that’s blocked by about 300 vinyl records.
GTSteve
August 18th, 2010
3:38 pm
@Hot Girlz at Turner Field Report …Somebody posted yesterday that they were going to the game last night with 3 hotties, don’t remember who it was, but those 3 qualify
Chuck
August 18th, 2010
3:39 pm
Gauging from his musical choices, I always figured they hired Carroll to give Dave the much-needed dry-out days. Remember Wiley Peck, Dave.
trapper
August 18th, 2010
3:39 pm
brett farve is dead? Bill Cosby has the day off? DOB is playing in Minnesota?
CraZyTRaDeMaN ©
August 18th, 2010
3:39 pm
If we have Lee and Glaus on the roster IMO Freeman is not going to get called up in Sept. It could happen but resent history shows the Braves don’t bring up many players in Sept. The Braves only called up 3 players last year: Conrad, Sammons and Valdez. Some on here seem to think were going to bring up the entire AAA roster. It’s likely they bring up 5 or fewer players in Sept. (Mclouth, Boscan or Sammons, Thurston or Timmons, Dunn and Kimbrel or Marek.).
GLAUS CAN’T CAN’T CAN’T CAN’T PLAY 3B, well….. Unless MLB approves him using a segway.
Matt
August 18th, 2010
3:40 pm
Anyone stop think what could happen if lee gets to face Oswalt in the final game of the reason with the NL East Crown on the line? I wonder how many times these 2 have faced each other and what the outcome was….
Also if we make the playoffs and face the card’s How many times has Lee seen them? Same goes for the Reds…
GTSteve
August 18th, 2010
3:40 pm
@burdell…and Moylan in the corner getting a new Tat
P-Town Brave
August 18th, 2010
3:40 pm
Braves One -
Can I add that those bunts would be doubles by the time Troy was able to charge and field them?
Maybe even triples if he had to bend all the way over…
David O'Brien
August 18th, 2010
3:41 pm
Hillbilly, ain’t that the truth, about the benches-clearing situation? With Farnsworth and the 6-5 Lee around, not to mention strappin’ lad Jason Heyward, Braves would be all set in the event that a “situation” developed.
Troy
August 18th, 2010
3:41 pm
Why can’t I be at 3rd? I’d make a great 3rd base coach…
burdell
August 18th, 2010
3:42 pm
@GTSteve – at this point, I figure Moylan getting a new tattoo in the corner is pretty much given in any situation.
Matt
August 18th, 2010
3:42 pm
Whats up with all the troy Bashing? The man was a huge part in getting the braves in 1st place…
Bobbeeee's Cox
August 18th, 2010
3:42 pm
Glaus will be this year’s Kirk Gibson…
1st game of the 2010 World Series, Braves down 2 in the bottom of the 9th against the heavily favorite Yanks. They have 2 on, against the best closer in baseball, Mariano Rivera.
And look who’s coming up >/em>
Glaus wobbles towards home plate……
Mitchie-san
August 18th, 2010
3:43 pm
Chipper can hit em with one of his crutches!
Spud Webb
August 18th, 2010
3:43 pm
Not sure if anyone has had a bulging disk?? It’s hard enough to brush your teeth, much less swing a 36oz bat, play 1st base and run. Just saying, I’m a big fan of Derek Lee…but this isn’t going to help. Just had an epedural the other day, those things HURT & sometimes they work and sometimes they don’t. Just not sure how much DLee will help?
What about say Todd Helton?? Someone who’s at least healthy? Helton’s solid at 1st, will give us time to put Glaus on the DL for a few weeks.
David O'Brien
August 18th, 2010
3:45 pm
Matt, no doubt about that (3:42 comment). People shouldn’t forget that without Glaus’ contributions May 1 to June 19, Braves would have been sunk. He and Prado carried the offense for most of that period, Glaus doing the heavy lifting with power numbers when no other Brave but Heyward was doing much, and Heyward tailed off early on in that stretch after getting hurt.
Spud Webb
August 18th, 2010
3:45 pm
Matt as far as the troy bashing, welcome to the ATL, just like the weather, changes every hour or so. Guy has been great for us…he’s hurting, anyone who watches the braves can see his wheels are shot. Should’ve been put on the DL a month ago.
sportsmandh
August 18th, 2010
3:45 pm
maybe DOB could arrange a Sat. night main event between Zambrano and Farnsworth this weekend
NEWCARS
August 18th, 2010
3:45 pm
I can live with Melky in CF as long as we don’t have holes all over the place like we did earlier with Escobar, an ailing Glaus and Chipper struggling. Melky’s playing pretty good D in CF and not a bad option in the 8 hole…Just don’t throw him in the 3 hole again
chilidog75
August 18th, 2010
3:46 pm
Derek Lee, in a back brace, is better than the dude we’re running out there most days.
And Todd Helton, hitting in Colorado, has four HRs this year. And is, of course, left-handed.
Lee’s a good fit for six weeks. Plus, dude was starting to crush the ball again. Helton is done.
raleighbravefan
August 18th, 2010
3:46 pm
Anyone brought up in September has to be paid prorated portion of major league minimum. I think they also have to be on 40 man roster. This always limits number. You don’t just bring up large numbers of guys just because you can.
Spud Webb
August 18th, 2010
3:46 pm
But with Heyward hurt…chipper hurt…infante hurt…he stayed in there. Gets booed for it. NICE!
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
August 18th, 2010
3:46 pm
P-Town Brave–
I was being funny??
Wouldn’t BMac be clearing them
That’d be welcomed!
And yes, we ALL know your love for his batting 5th
You’d have to be a 24/7 scuba diver not to.
burdell
August 18th, 2010
3:47 pm
If I’m a player, I’m getting behind Brooks Conrad in the even of a bench clearing brawl. If he fights like he plays, I’d come out covered in blood but he’d take down the entire opposing team in the process. And he’d do it barehanded.
Bobbeeee's Cox
August 18th, 2010
3:47 pm
Can Glaus play rover?
chilidog75
August 18th, 2010
3:47 pm
Yeah. Glaus more than earned his pay this year … if he doesn’t take another swing.
He was THE main reason the Braves went on that tear after the nine-game losing streak.
Still. It’s tough to watch him now. Body is just broken down.
burdell
August 18th, 2010
3:48 pm
<>
Braves fans are nowhere near as bad as Philly or NY fans. We’re probably the third worst fan base in the NL East. But that’s only because no one cares enough about the Nats or Fins to complain.
John in NY
August 18th, 2010
3:49 pm
Braves, Cubs Nearing Derrek Lee Trade
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [August 18 at 2:45pm CST]
2:45pm: Lee cleared waivers, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (Twitter link). This doesn’t change a whole lot, but it’s interesting to note that none of the the Cubs’ 29 rivals claimed Lee and his salary
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
August 18th, 2010
3:49 pm
Bet Billy Wagner could crack some noggins; just seems like the type. Wouldn’t want Hinske banging on my head either.
John in NY
August 18th, 2010
3:49 pm
as per mlb trade rumors.com
Matt
August 18th, 2010
3:50 pm
As long as Troy understands the need to win im sure he will understand being put on the DL get some rest and then become a guy off the bench that he was back in early summer. I think we will all see what kinda guy troy is when all this goes down which is a team player.
Bobbeeee's Cox
August 18th, 2010
3:50 pm
DOB,
Wanted to congratulate you on the epic blog yesterday with all the numbers crunching & such.
Isn’t it awesome following a baseball season & watching the numbers unfold? Baseball is one big soap opera for men. Gotta love it.
Mitchell
August 18th, 2010
3:51 pm
Thank God we won last night. Now we can be assured of at least winning the series.
I think tonight is the night Timmy throws his first career no-hitter. Or not.
Hopefully we can at least score a few runs. He doesn’t usually need that many.
hmmmm......
August 18th, 2010
3:51 pm
Sooo any chance they move glaus to 3rd??????????
On a serious note we really should bring Laroche back. oh yeah and please fire TP.
Josh
August 18th, 2010
3:51 pm
this Braves team is set up to brawl with anybody. NWO FOR LIFE!
Michael B
August 18th, 2010
3:51 pm
P-Town,
Word is that they want two above average prospects. Just a guess here, But I think JJ Hoover and Jordan Schafer would get it done. I know Schafer has fallen off the map, but maybe its enough to get it done.
chilidog75
August 18th, 2010
3:52 pm
Not that I think he’s a wonderful hitting coach, but teams that are 21 games over .500 don’t typically fire people on the coaching staff.
northbeach Scott
August 18th, 2010
3:52 pm
Sure would like to see Lee playing first base tomorrow night in Atlanta against the Nats LHP Lannon and batting clean up. He sounds like a great fit and spark for this team.
DC Brave
August 18th, 2010
3:52 pm
Loyalty and honor dictates that we keep Glaus, with whom we would simply not be here. Glaus and Lee spelling each other would be awesome, and I think that means we go with a 4 man rotation to keep the roster at 25 during the playoffs, which given the kind of schedules you see in the playoffs would be fine by me!
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
August 18th, 2010
3:52 pm
Brooks Conrad is the Billy Kilmer of baseball.
It’s ugly, but it works!
Braveslifer
August 18th, 2010
3:54 pm
“2:45pm: Lee cleared waivers, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (Twitter link). This doesn’t change a whole lot, but it’s interesting to note that none of the the Cubs’ 29 rivals claimed Lee and his salary”
Just a quick thought… If Lee cleared waivers that means no team was willing to claim Lee at the risk of taking on his salary including the Braves. If the Braves are looking to trade “prospects” to the Cubs it almost seems like money would have to come back.
Brian from SC
August 18th, 2010
3:54 pm
Did y’all know the Braves have scored 5.15 runs per game over their last 13 (10-3 record)? They’ve scored 6.17 runs per game their last 6 games (5-1). What offensive rut?!
Over their last 28 games, they’ve averaged 4.82 runs per game. Pretty good!
Braves One
August 18th, 2010
3:55 pm
D-Lee has four homers in his last three games…the disk is an issue but one that is not severe enough to stop him from competing as a pro athlete. I would think the delay in getting the deal announced is the Braves are getting faxes from his physician and having the team doctor look over his medical files with a fine tooth comb. The Braves would not take him on if he could not play competitively the remainder of the year.
Like Brett Favre’s new contract…you can take that to the bank.
Spud Webb
August 18th, 2010
3:56 pm
Not sure if even a healthy troy glaus can play 3rd anymore.
GTSteve
August 18th, 2010
3:56 pm
Brian, if they average 4.82 the rest of the year…we will be watching Braves baseball deep into football season
Shaun
August 18th, 2010
3:57 pm
Braves One, they could be delaying the announcement in case the Cubs need Lee in their game with the Padres going on right now.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
August 18th, 2010
3:57 pm
Hope Medlen’s surgery goes well/went well today!
Gary O
August 18th, 2010
3:58 pm
Braves Fan Since “80,
I think it was Joey Devine from NC State who made it to the big leagues very quickly (maybe 1 year). But he gave up a grand slam his first appearance, and was never the same.
I dont think Freeman would be ruined though (if the Braves brought him up too early), but thats just my opinion.
Fred,
It was hard to watch. Glaus looked hurt trying to keep his foot on third base to avoid the tag.
I appreciate what he did in May to carry us to first place, and I appreciate the fact that he will not use his health as an excuse, and he is trying as hard as he can.
However, Schafer tried to play hurt, Heyward tried to play hurt, and Glaus is trying to play hurt. In each case, it was not good for the team.
Also, Glaus defense (and footwork) is suspect too, and he is hurting us on offense. So Bobby needs to make the decision for the player. Glaus needs consistent time off. So I would welcome Lee (assuming his back is healthy enough).
Matt
August 18th, 2010
3:58 pm
Love the 4 man rotation, Huddy, JJ,Hanson,Minor (lowe to bullpen you can not count on him with game on the line).
Playoffs, Reds,Card’s,Rays, Champs!!
Keylargo
August 18th, 2010
3:58 pm
Great move if they do not give up too much
Tomas
August 18th, 2010
3:59 pm
I’m jumping and clapping, Wren do it. Like the Cardinal announcers(who are talking about this) said, Glaus is holding on one leg hitting 192 since July 1 with 2 homers.
Over that same stretch Lee is batting 288 with 6 homers
Braves Grrrl
August 18th, 2010
3:59 pm
chilidog75 – I agree. Troy almost single-handedly carried the run production in May. He certainly has my appreciation and respect.
Josh – I don’t like the Flying Biscuit. Their biscuits taste kind of sweet, and that’s weird to me. A lot of my coworkers rave about the food though.
Tomas
August 18th, 2010
4:00 pm
And lee is a gold glove 1B
Brian from SC
August 18th, 2010
4:00 pm
Did you know that the Braves have not had a losing homestand yet this season? Last night clinched another homestand at .500 or better.
By the way, after tomorrow, they have just three homestands left. Time just flying by.
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 18th, 2010
4:00 pm
Heap hitting third, you gotta be kidding! All he would do is clog the bases. McFann’s turtles could outrun Heap. Back away from the crack pipe and just say no to Heap hitting third.
How’s that, kiddo.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
August 18th, 2010
4:01 pm
Minor is even more polished than I expected him to be, and my expectations were pretty high.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
August 18th, 2010
4:03 pm
Not bad, Bartholomew…not bad…
tiger297
August 18th, 2010
4:03 pm
Brian…could you provide the median runs scored instead of average? 1-1-13 averages 5 but doesn’t really tell the story
P-Town Brave
August 18th, 2010
4:04 pm
So hmm…
What about Cody Gearrin, Mike Dunn, and Jordan Schafer?
Steve from OH
August 18th, 2010
4:05 pm
What about Cody Gearrin, Mike Dunn, and Jordan Schafer?
I still think you’re overshooting what it’s gonna take. But that’s just me. Schafer and Dunn won’t go anywhere, IMO.
Gearrin is a good candidate, though.
Delbert D.
August 18th, 2010
4:06 pm
Lee had a spinal tap today? Arrgggh! I had one of those, and 4 hours later, I was on my way back to the Doc, flailing around in the back of an SUV with the seats down, screaming for my wife to let me jump out and end the horrible pain in my head. Fortunately, they had previously drawn blood to inject if any leak occurred. The re-injection of the blood patch was a 10 minute “cure,” but then I wasn’t going to be playing ball for awhile.
Tomas
August 18th, 2010
4:06 pm
Brian from SC, they lost one in April against Philly
P-Town Brave
August 18th, 2010
4:06 pm
Steve-
Ok…what about Gearrin and Diamond for Lee?
Steve from OH
August 18th, 2010
4:07 pm
Delbert–he had an epidural steroid injection, not a spinal tap. The epidual takes like 15 mins. tops, and he would be able to walk out of the hospital with a very low chance of anything like you mentioned happening.
Braves One
August 18th, 2010
4:07 pm
According to MLB.com, the Cubs are asking for two “above average” prospects. Unless you are an avid follower of the Braves farm teams, I have a feeling most will not even recognize the names of these prospects.
Matt
August 18th, 2010
4:08 pm
Schafer desveres a chance to go somewhere and become what we all expected out of him. which is a stallar CF starter. I think with what happened last year his mind is not where it needs to be right now.
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
August 18th, 2010
4:08 pm
Furstenbuger, whatever for Lee, that’s it.
Steve from OH
August 18th, 2010
4:08 pm
P-Town–I think that’s a good offer. Those are the kinds of players we’re looking at, IMO, not guys like Schafer/Dunn/Marek/Hoover.
Gone Viral
August 18th, 2010
4:08 pm
“But he gave up a grand slam his first appearance, and was never the same.”
Devine’s ERA with Oakland was 0.59 (not a typo) in 45 innings. He was past the stigma he had from his brief tenure with Atlanta. His problem since is that he needed Tommy John surgery and he didn’t recover right. So, he’s missed all of 2009 and 2010 to date with injuries. He’s supposedly coming back next month, but almost his entire MLB career has been jinxed thus far.
Matt
August 18th, 2010
4:09 pm
For a rental player with a bad back i say we give them what we gave for kerry lightenberg. a bag of balls and a few bats..
Travis
August 18th, 2010
4:09 pm
Looking down the Braves bench and seeing the men that got us here all busted up and moving slow makes me real proud of these guys. You can’t say Meds, Chipper and Toy didn’t do their jobs. Celebrating the veterans careers and giving the “kid” some encouragement when they would rather be on the field is the least we can do. Good job guys…you make me proud.
P-Town Brave
August 18th, 2010
4:09 pm
Ok…I will try and do what snooping I can from my area in IL and see if I can get anything…
Wes Covington
August 18th, 2010
4:10 pm
David: Any word who the Braves may trade for Lee?
N8
August 18th, 2010
4:10 pm
“But we all know you work 11-13 hours a day most days, right?” DOB
As I’ve mentioned before, I am now beginning my toughest stretch of “work” that I have every year. Tonight will be the beginning of a stretch of 8-10 weeks of working 10-15 hours a day, along with traveling to play a few gigs AND running my kids to and from home/school and whatever sports and activities they have going on.
Add to the fact that my work load is usually that heavy to begin with this time of year, my wife broke her elbow a couple of weeks ago, so I’ll be without her help around the office, so 14 hour work days might be undershooting it a tad.
I can only assume that you feel the way I do about “work”. If you love what you do, then it really isn’t work. Work is somewhere people go everyday that consists of doing something that they might be trained to do, but don’t necessarily enjoy.
I love my job, so whether I have to work 20 hours a week, or 100 hours, I wouldn’t change a damn thing.
I assume you like your work or you’d find other work.
Smile and be happy that your job “requires” you to watch (and discuss) baseball for the majority of your day. Some of us have to sacrifice getting our work done in order to watch and discuss baseball.
Tomas
August 18th, 2010
4:11 pm
I’d guess above average would be Brandon Beachy, Scott Diamond, Lee Hyde territory…..
Josh
August 18th, 2010
4:12 pm
so is this deal getting done?
Steve from OH
August 18th, 2010
4:12 pm
Hyde could be another name discussed. Same for Brett Butts, Brett Oberholtzer, Zeke Spruill, David hale, Thomas Berryhill, and Todd Redmond. Doubt Beachy would be involved.
Matt
August 18th, 2010
4:12 pm
actually the better question, is Lee on his way to atlanta to take a physical or will that be done in chicago?
Braves One
August 18th, 2010
4:13 pm
“The Braves and Cubs are negotiating the specifics of the trade. A source close to the situation said Wednesday that the Braves are in the midst of evaluating Lee’s health. The 34-year-old first baseman has been sidelined since Monday with lower back discomfort.” — MLB.com
Allan
August 18th, 2010
4:14 pm
Brian from SC – don’t think that’s true, I do believe we lost a home series against the Phillies in April. However, we haven’t lost one since.
taxman kenneth
August 18th, 2010
4:14 pm
dicker
I was simply stating how the braves make stupid trades and these 2 were just examples. They both were stupid and for rentals. How is that any different? They gave up half the farm for nothing and they are just stupid enough to do it again. I agree with “Tater the Bobby hater” 100%. If they make this stupid trade for Lee they probably will give up a potential superstar because Wren and whoever other nuts who make these trades are just that stupid.
Allan
August 18th, 2010
4:15 pm
sorry, you said home stand not home series. my mistake
Steve from OH
August 18th, 2010
4:15 pm
And keep in mind that Wren isn’t exactly negotiating against Branch Rickey either…
Tomas
August 18th, 2010
4:15 pm
Troy must be hurting really bad. He isn’t in the lineup and the Braves are aggressively making a huge deal.
But if Troy goes to the DL, he gets healthy, the Braves don’t lose ground in that time. If they get to the playoffs, you have two good pinch hitters in Hinske and Glaus. And if they get to the playoffs Glaus or Hinske could DH, depending on which pitcher is in the mound.
N8
August 18th, 2010
4:15 pm
Gary O I don’t remember where Devine went to college (don’t follow college baseball). But Devine pitched in the college world series, got drafted by the Braves, and rose through the entire chain of minor leagues in August of THAT year (same year he was drafted), and proceeded to give up Grand Slams in his first TWO appearances and then gave up a big fly in the playoffs.
Probably a little too much for any human to handle in less than 4-5 months time.
Rufio
August 18th, 2010
4:15 pm
So, Glaus is going to move to 3rd Base ???? LOL….Just kidding….I thought I would raise some blood pressure.
It is going to be strange seeing which veteran gets hot and if they can remain in the game without injuries. Just because Lee had a ESI does not mean he will be back to normal. I had my 3rd one last week and I can promise you they are not miracles by any chance.
My question is who goes off the 40 man roster if Lee comes over to the Braves ?
RC
August 18th, 2010
4:16 pm
Jerry Crasnik reported that the players being discussed for Lee are “currently in the lower-level minors”. Sounds like it’s definitely not any of our top prospects.
wjones
August 18th, 2010
4:17 pm
“jeffrey d
August 18th, 2010
2:33 pm
Does one shot make you an alcoholic?”
Depends on the size of the shot glass. 1.5 oz–not likely. 1.5 gallons–perhaps…
N8
August 18th, 2010
4:17 pm
Not sure why or how I typed what I did, but meant to type that Devine made his MLB debut in August of 2005, which was basically two months after being drafted and pitching in the college WS.
Tomas
August 18th, 2010
4:18 pm
If they get to the world series Troy and Hinske could DH.
N8
August 18th, 2010
4:19 pm
“My question is who goes off the 40 man roster if Lee comes over to the Braves ?”
Does anybody have to come off with Chipper and Medlen being on the 60 day DL? I don’t think anybody will officially need to be removed to make room for him.
P-Town Brave
August 18th, 2010
4:19 pm
TRADE IS DONE!
BravesfaninWis
August 18th, 2010
4:19 pm
Just getting a solid defender at 1st base will help this team a great deal. D-Lee will help this team no doubt, while Glaus is extremely streaky, it looks like D-Lee is starting to heat up when it matters most.
I hope this deal gets done quickly. On a side note, best of luck to Kris Medlen on his surgery today. I am pulling for that kid to be ready by the middle of next season. He has a bright career ahead of him.
Steve from OH
August 18th, 2010
4:19 pm
Here is a scouting report (with video) on Braves sleeper prospect Robinson Lopez:
http://scoutingthesally.com/2010/08/scouting-report-robinson-lopez-p-atlanta-braves/
Dan-82ndAirborne
August 18th, 2010
4:19 pm
On my last deployment to Iraq, MWR brought a few guys out to our Combat Outpost (COP). Those guys were Turk Wendell, Mike Remlinger and Adam Bernero. It was awesome. I hung out with Remlinger for about three hours that day, shooting the sh-t, telling stories, etc. After I finally convinced him that there was no way he could go to a guard position and fire .50 caliber rounds out into the city (not even joking), he started telling stories about the Braves’ clubhouse. He told a story that I will NEVER forget… without being too crass, he went into just how weird Greg Maddux was, lol… apparently, Mr. Maddux refused to groom himself… you know where I’m talking about, and Greg apparently found that hilarious. The second story, a bit more disconcerting, was Greg’s nickname from Mike…. “the mad pisser”, as Greg would walk over near someone in the shower and start urinating randomly… lol.. That day of conversation with Mike and the very strange Turk Wendell were the highlight of my 2007.
RC
August 18th, 2010
4:20 pm
DOB just tweeted that Cox just got a call in his office…sounds like it might be done (Carrol, if you tweeted that I’m sorry for the mix-up…just know it came from @ajcbraves).
ncscoots
August 18th, 2010
4:20 pm
Same for Brett Butts, Brett Oberholtzer, Zeke Spruill,
No Zeke. No. Must not. Would leave the organization without an Ezekiel. Spruill is off the table.
tony austin
August 18th, 2010
4:22 pm
With Lee’s back problems, it would be best if he didn’t have to board a plane to fly to ATL then back to CHI. If a deal is completed, I say just pick him up in Chicago and let him rest his back an extra day.