2:15 pm August 11, 2010, by David O'Brien
August 13th, 201012:23 pm
Pop quiz. A major league manager has two major responsibilities
NO they have way more than 2 major responsibilities but the main one is called WINNING. That’s something he has done better than every manager but 3 who have ever managed. Baseball Reference says that there have been 668 managers in baseball history. Bobby’s only been better than 664 of them.
August 13th, 201012:24 pm
“also, most players haven’t played 11+ years by the time they are 30 and he won a GG at 30″
So we’re back to facing the paradox.
How could a guy good enough to start in the big leagues at age 19 and who didnt have a career threatening injury end up bad enough to be all but out of the game by age 32?
Musta had some fine handlers.
This Andruw stuff is borderline ridiculous in my opinion. Sometimes fans try to boil everything down to effort. If Andruw had only tried harder or if he had only had a different attitude, he could be been an all-time great.
Not all players have the same skills and abilities. And that can be applied more broadly than just in the physical sense.
Andruw is just not a very cerebral player. He just isn’t. He’s a instinctive player that relies very much on his physical skills. That’s his limitation. Period. The all-time great have fewer limitations. That is Andruw’s. It doesn’t indicate jack about how hard he worked or didn’t work nor about his attitude.
I know this, the dude took the field every single game and consistently sacrificed his body for his pitcher regardless of the score. That’s what he gave his team consistently and I think it says more about his dedication and attitude than any of the ridiculous stuff some of you are talking about.
August 13th, 201012:26 pm
Because he is not a very cerebral player, he relied on his body and his physical skills. He sacrificed his body perpetually, thus his physical skills started to erode.
BULLET TOOTH TONY
August 13th, 201012:27 pm
Robert and .Don are both tools. I’m surprised they manage to make it through the day without inflecting pain on themselves
August 13th, 201012:28 pm
“Why would you be willing to trade players (likely minor league tlent) for a month and a half rental of an often injured player this late in his career?”
Lew, that’s EXACTLY who you can afford! And you keep making the point that is a valid point, an often injured player who is late in his career! Who just went on the BRAVES DL for the year? An oft injured player, late in his career who actually got it going again for a couple of months. There is NO WAY I can guarantee that Lowell would help the Braves. But there is also NO WAY you can guarantee that he wouldn’t. All he has to do is stay relatively healthy for a couple of months and maybe he can provide some valuable AB’s.
As for your Brandon Hicks comment, that’s hyperbole to the highest degree! The odds of Lowell having a big HR to help win a game are much higher than the odds of Brandon Hicks just getting hit by a pitch to keep a meaningless inning alive!
Prospects have two purposes: To become one of the 10% who actually make your big league ball club or to become one of the 90% who flounders and/or becomes trade fodder, or is eventually released. I’m amazed at the folks who think that “all that talent” in the minors are going to be big stars in the majors! They are not. To consider them all too valuable to trade is like the stories of people freezing to death in their appartments because they wouldn’t turn on the heat, only to find out they had a million bucks in the bank!
Lowell is walking after the season. Sox will get nothing. Maybe a low level prospect looks better than nothing. I agree on Youkilus and even stated that fact myself. It’s just I don’t like some screaming how dumb it is even to consider options like this. When their own suggestions and reasoning don’t exactly sound like rocket science.
August 13th, 201012:29 pm
“Pop quiz. A major league manager has two major responsibilities
NO they have way more than 2 major responsibilities but the main one is called WINNING. That’s something he has done better than every manager but 3 who have ever managed. Baseball Reference says that there have been 668 managers in baseball history. Bobby’s only been better than 664 of them”
Bobby Cox does NOT have the 4th highest winning pct of all time
And even if he did, you’d be saying that the best poker player is the one who gets dealt pocket aces most often
Bobby Cox won “x” number of games with the rosters he had
I submit to you that most if not of the 668 names on your list couldve won at least “x+1″ games if they had managed the same rosters
August 13th, 201012:33 pm
August 13th, 2010
.239, .311, .413. Missed almost 100 games. What about this is not understood?
As for his Post Season production? Do you even check things out before you make your declarations? In 08 he went 0-8 in the playoff appearances and in 09, he went 2-10 for a .200 BA. He had a single RBI in those two years.”
LEW! YOU OBVIOUSLY DON”T DO YOUR HOMEWORK. LOWELL WAS THE 2007 WORLD SERIES MVP!!!
Yes I shouted and I meant to! Man, you can’t just say crap like that and expect people to believe it.
“Because he is not a very cerebral player, he relied on his body and his physical skills. He sacrificed his body perpetually, thus his physical skills started to erode”
No doubt Andruw wasnt the brightest bulb in the box. But letting it go with the casual explanation that Andruw was just dumb is letting him and his coaches and managers off way too easy
Bobby Cox was the man in charge when the platinum ore that was Andruw Jones slowly converted into cow manure.
August 13th, 201012:37 pm
Ad since he won the WS MVP, he’s missed 200 games, been injured seriously several times and in his past two playoff appearances he’s gone 2-18 with ONE RBI.
You might think goin back three years before his injus=ries and subsequant poor performance may have merit, but you’re on a short list of those who do.
Chipper won the MVP in 95, too. Won’t do it this year, though, will he?
August 13th, 201012:39 pm
Glen W, and nollee, and Brian from SC and all the rest
Ask yourselves this – and I dont need to or really even care to, hear the answer
If Bobby Cox had managed the Yankees, and Joe Torre had been managing the Braves, who do you think woulda won in 96 and 99?
And I dont wanna hear the comeback that “well this one time Torre made a mistake” or “Torre didnt win it all EVERY year and he had a $800 million roster”
Just walk up to a mirror, look at your reflection, and tell yourself who woulda won those two WS if the managers had been reversed.
I watched the 99 WS – and I hoped. Two very talented and very evenly matched ballclubs. But deep down I knew it wasnt a fair fight.
Bozo the Clown doesnt outfox Albert Einstein
August 13th, 201012:40 pm
I never said he was dumb. And I really think you should be careful about venturing into the area of you calling someone else dumb. I mean. really.
August 13th, 201012:42 pm
Which is the same reason that I try not to engage with you in these types of deabtes. I mean, I’m no Einstein, but it just isn’t fair, still.
August 13th, 201012:48 pm
Lew, you might think that cherry picking stats that represents career capabilities give an honest picture of the player but it doesn’t.
If I want to cherry pick Chippers’ numbers for the last year and a half, he doesn’t even get a sniff of the Hall of Fame.
I’m done arguing about Lowell simply because to me it’s a flier, plain and simple! Never sold it for anything other than that. I’m not married to the idea and never was.
What I do know is that you’re going to twist stuff around by cherry picking stats and that you have absolutely no concept of what the complete function of a clubs minor league system is. You would rather have Brandon Hicks at bat in a pressure situation than Mike Lowell.
Go draw some pictures now.
August 13th, 201012:52 pm
Of all active managers he has the 2nd highest winning % behind Joe 200+ million payroll Girardi. Bobby is 25th all time Joe Torre is 52nd all time, your boy friend .Don’s favorite manager Tony LaRussa is 59th all time. Your right Bobby sucks he is only better than 643 other managers plus all but one manager managing currently. You two (.Don and Robert) are simply Jack Wagons with keyboards now effff off douche bag.
August 13th, 20102:04 pm
Mike Lowell Career
1999 to 2004 with Steroids
3445 3054 421 847 205 2 135 520
PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI
2005 to 20010 without Steroids
2916 2635 336 742 183 5 87 425
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