On a brighter note I wanted to give a player some big time credit…TIM HUDSON. How big has he been this year and what a great move by Wren to lock him for some years. I haven’t seen too much credit to Tim with his 13-5 record and 2 something ERA. He is our ace and I’m happy he stayed with us. Keep it up Tim, with a few more wins he could win Cy Young award this year which he most certainly deserves.
You’ve been in 2nd and 3rd place for 2.5+ months. Comeback when you are not in 2nd place if that ever happens. Wow you must be so proud of all those come backs at your Tee-Ball field. Yeh like that’s real baseball there…
Fillys are a good franchise, but do they not have a blog? What is wrong with people that all they can do is berate, especially where they do not even belong. Sorry about whatever is really bothering you, it couldn’t be baseball(it’s only a game) so whatever it is I forgive you for being abusive here and I will pray for you
phils80-08wschamps is dumb. I mean really dumb. Read a few of his posts, they’re IQ droppers. I would say he’s the dumbest guy on the blog, which puts him in strong running for dumbest on the planet.
“Not sure that Andruw brought more to the overall table than Chipper did. But Andruw was probably one of the 5 best CF (defensively) to ever play the game”
Cant agree with either statement there.
Andruw was a great centerfield – but for only a part of his career – after which he was no longer fit enough to play the outfield.
Andruw Jones (as good as he was) is closer to being the biggest disappointment in Braves history than to being the greatest player
In a way, Andruw personifies “the streak” – Looks pretty good, until you consider what was against what rightfully shoulda been – then it doesnt look so impressive anymore
I still feel like A-Ram is a feasible option because we know he’d clear waivers and I still don’t fully believe he would exercise his option…
I don’t see any way that A-Ram walks away from $16.6M for one year of play. I think he’s be lucky to get a 1 year $5M contract for next year. His back is in bad shape and his numbers reflect that.
Is the phillies idiot talking about the same Hinski on our team? You mean the one that has two WS rings. One with Boston and Yankeess. Rookie of the Year 2002 and a AL penant ring with the Rays. Yeah, he doesn’t know how to win. What a douche.
“The real question is can a team with a lineup consisting of Prado, Infante, Heyward, McCann, Hinske, Glaus, Gonzalez, and Ankiel make the playoffs?
The other side of that coin would be; Can starting pitching of Hudson, JJ, Hanson etc., with a bulllpen that’s among the best in baseball, possibly miss the playoffs????”
Cox is managing, making the former difficult difficult but the latter quite possible.
Anders…I never, ever thought I would be saying this to a Mets fan but WTF is going on over there. I really feel sorry for the fans. What a cluster (you know what) this franchise has turned into. Is the discipline and morale that screwed up? I’m embarassed for you man!
I don’t think there is any doubt about Andruw’s bonafides as one of if not the greatest defensive CFer of all time. He never became Willie at the plate, but that doesn’t take away from how great he was in the field.
TWO WORDS, I have two fears for Lowell: his defense and his bat away from Fenway Park. He’s a right-handed fly ball pull hitter that’s had a huge wall about 300 feet away from him in left field.
Yeah, MIke Lowell and his 39 games played, almost two months missed (this year – not to mention how many the past three), .239, .311 and .413 sure recommends him as the piece we need to get to the playoffs. Right.
Robert…Andruw coasted on his unbelievable talent. Jocks think it will never end until it does. The mind is there but the body isn’t. Big egos don’t accept failure very well. Bobby was like the father you didn’t want to disappoint. Andruw did. I can’t hit my 7 iron 165 anymore but I’ll be damned if Im gonna hit a 6. That’s for old guys. Guess what, I’m there.
My fears confirmed…he’s had an enormous home-road split the last few years. This year it’s .831 to .519, last year it was .932 to .713. In 2007, it was .993 to .767. The aberration was 2008, when he hit a little better on the road.
But I would be very, very wary of his bat outside of Fenway.
You know the only thing worse than hitting .220 and striking out once every three at bats?
It’s hitting .220 despite striking out only once every 10 at bats (Feliz has 30 K’s in 284 at-bats)
He may be THE worst hitter in the big leagues right now.
If you were adding him to a team loaded with great OBP then ok. But right now, we already have two guys (Glaus and Ankiel) who are OBP black holes who are playing every day. Adding a third automatic out to the lineup could easily be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Robert, you nailed it relating to Andruw. He could have been and should have been one of the greatest players in baseball history. His hitting production was only a shadow of what it should have been. With his unbelievable overswinging, his starting the bat hard instead of putting it into motion and accelerating it, and his trying to pull everything – it was amazing that he could even make contact. Only his great talent enabled him to do so. His was the most wasted talent that that I have ever seen. Here, there was more wasted talent than there was developed talent. This is another extreme example of the incompetence of Bobby Cox and his not doing things that are so obvious.
Relax. They’ll have Pelf, Niese and Cy Dickey going. Anders says they’re good, so it must be true.
(Steve)
First of all Niese isn’t pitching in the Phillies series. The Mets have “undecided ” going tomorrow night. Could be Ollie, could be a AAA call up. Yikes.
That aside, Niese’s pitching line is right there with “The Franchise” Tommie Hanson’s and Pelfrey is right with Lowe. Santana is turning on his second half jets as usual and is climbing in the pitching stats not quite where Hudson is but getting closer each outing. Dickey’s been very, very reliable.
The Mets are rated right behind the Braves in team pitching in the NL, it’s the Mets bats that have severely dissapointed this year. As I said yesterday, I’m ok with Santana, Pelfrey, Niese and Dickey as 4/5’s of my rotation next year.
Andruw had a tendancy to be lazy – to coast by on pure talent. He was allowed to do that. And the manager he played had no ability to mentor him.
Exactly! Like that one time when he loafed after a ball in the outfield because he was lazy, Cox yanked him from the field right then and there! I mean think about it. What does a lazy player desire? To sit in the nice comfy dugout and not have to run around and play baseball! That donkey Cox took a lazy bum and gave him a seat. What an idiot.
Can Figgins still play CF if needed? If so, then making a move to acquire him makes more sense long-term, since you don’t know right now if Chipper will attempt to come back next season or retire. If he comes back, instead of wasting $9 M on a backup 3rd baseman, Figgins can play CF, and Ankiel can be non-tendered.
Uggla would be huge but I don’t think Marlins would do it unfortunately. The only way would be out of respect to Bobby to go out on top seeing as they are pretty much out of it…I know yeah right.
.Don agrees with Robert… Who would have believed it. You guys are right, it’s all Bobby’s fault that Andruw gained too much wait and tried to hit a HR on every pitch. Thank God you two geniuses are here to explain this to us.
Even if we could get rid of Kawakami, does Figgins give us anymore than Infante?
Possible base stealing threat at the top, but would he get on base enough and what would the adjustment period be like moving to the NL where he has never played?
I understand your concerns. But with Lowell, you get a guy who has a history of turning it up during the stretch run and coming through with some big AB’s. He’s a FA after the season and the Red Sox are probably motivated sellers considering Poppy’s bat came back, they are falling back in their race, and Lowell doesn’t figure into their plans next year. On the other hand, Youkilus being out might make Lowell harder to pry away.
Probably the biggest plus is that this is his walk year with no committment to him after the season so it’s not like the Braves are taking on a big Figgins or A Ramirez contract for next year. If Lowell is a disappointment, you still have the guys in house that you were considering turning to in the first place and you haven’t committed to Lowell past this season. Lowell would be a roll of the dice for a potential big upside. If the Braves are careful and trade away a mid-low level prospect for him they wouldn’t be hurting if Lowell didn’t work out. Lowell does have a no trade clause.
It ain’t gonna happen but if the BRAVES KNEW Chipper was definitely not coming back after this season, they would have more leeway to consider taking on larger, multiyear contract at third.
The interesting thing about Figgins is that HE’S NOT VERY GOOD!
I don’t know why people seem to be attracted to guys who can run fast. Yes, he can “play” CF, but did you know he’s a below average defensive center fielder?
But he’s a solid hitter, right? Did you know his career OPS+ is 97, which means he’s below average?
But he’s shown success in the past and has a good chance to be good going forward, right? Did you know he’s 32 years old?
Long Times Brave – I agree, but the Mets, Phillies and Marlins will be happy not to face him anymore.
I think after he sits for a while and can view it less emotionally, he’ll call it quits. Just can’t see rehab being all that easy when he has had so many nagging injureies the past five or so years. Rehab for Chipper could take a Hamptonian turn quite easily, pulling this muscle or tha – an oblique here a quad there – continually.
Any of you guys hear the E-mail Mike and Mike read on the air this morning from a Mets fan about Chipper? Utmost respect. I told you guys Met fans truly respected the guy. Hated him for the pain he inlficted on us but you have to respect what he’s meant to baseball. Waltz’s into the HOF imo.
Brian from SC-I agree there. It’ sanother player we HAVE to get – just like Kotchman, just like McLouth in years past. If some had their way, we would have ended up with Rocco Baldelli.
I think if the Braves make a trade, it will be for someone like Wiggington or Mora. But I doubt those players will get through waivers to us. So in the end I would be surprised if anyone but Prado or Infante is manning the hot corner the rest of the season. And that’s fine with me.
“We are now searching for the answer this morning, hoping and praying that Bobby and Frank come up with something to help continue to stay in first place,”
Not exactly.
We are hoping that Wren and the rest of the brain trust come up with something. For Bobby’s part, we are hoping he doesnt break anything.
Can you imagine a Braves organizational meeting? Everyone i gathered around the table – Cox raises a hoof to say something. Finding himself ignored, he starts hee-hawing, and starts nudging Wren with his snout, nibbling at the pockets of his suit. Eventually Wren smacks Cox on the nose and interrupts the proceedings by shouting
“I told you once I told you a hundred times Bobby – just sit there and be quiet.” He takes a bucket of oats down off the table and places it in Bobby’s chair. “Now eat your oats and try not to break anything. If you’re a good donkey I’ll give you a sugar cube after the meeting is over and then I’ll take you to watch Heyward take batting practice. I know you like that. Good boy, now just stay quiet for a few more minutes. The adults are almost done working”
Anders…I don’t want you to get me wrong. You guys deserve better than what is happening. Mets fan bust there butts to support the team and get bitch slapped by the players and managers for there support. Tirades like Zambrano had and the catcher the other night with Cincinati kicking players with his spikes and yes the Bobby Cox domestic violence things do happen. But It seems that Mets management has lost control of the team. I’m not picking on you but there are some real issues with that club…You don’t agree?
Robert, that post was probably the most asinine thing I’ve ever read here. And you wonder why you have no respect here and everyone thinks you’re an imbecile. At least come up with something reasonably intelligent that a five-year old wouldn’t come up with.
No, with Lowell you get a player, late in his career, who has missed almost 200 games the past three seasons. and almost 100 this year alone. You do realize he would cost us players in return?
“Robert…Andruw coasted on his unbelievable talent. Jocks think it will never end until it does. The mind is there but the body isn’t. Big egos don’t accept failure very well. Bobby was like the father you didn’t want to disappoint”
Bobby was more like the uncle who told your mom he was gonna teach you how to ride a motorcycle. When you got home, you told mom that he taught you how to pop a wheelie. You didnt tell her that he didnt make you wear a helmet and let you down a coupla Budweiser’s before you rode.
On a brighter note I wanted to give a player some big time credit…TIM HUDSON
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Concur – an astute move by Wren.
I’d like to add Jonny Venters to this list. No other Brave with the exception of Hudson has been so consistent and dominating throughout the entire season.
He is practically tied for first with Mariano Rivera in ERA; continues to gather praise from Billy Wagner, scouts and others; and has the best nickname on the team.
“Exactly! Like that one time when he loafed after a ball in the outfield because he was lazy”
The key words in that post? “One time”
Dude, earlier this year, I was shocked when like two times in the span of ten days, Cox employed some strategy that worked to win a late and close game. Before that, the time that he once pulled Andruw out for loafing would be the last time I think Cox did anything positive for his team (other than when he gets his stupid self ejected early in the game)
One time.
One time when Bobby hee-hawed it just happened to be right after someone asked “What was the name of that country music show hosted by Buck Owens?” Does that make him a genius?
Brian, why in the world would you think that Andruw’s great talent could not have been developed when he first came up (not deep in his career). Granted, it may have required sitting him on the bench until he was willing to listen – until his attitude changed.
Hey, I’m looking at what I feel are realistic possibilities. That’s the reason I go with a Lowell instead of some name that no way is going to get through waivers or whose contract is the size of Mount Rushmore, next year. Heck, Lowell probably wouldn’t get through waivers, I don’t know.
The worst thing the Braves could do is to make a move and commit playing time for some guy who isn’t any better OR who doesn’t have the high end potential to make a real difference. Can’t afford a huge contractual committment so you probably should try to catch lightning in a bottle rather than guaranteed mediocracy from anyone you bring in. If a guy like Lowell can get hot for a couple of months in a pennant race, then good for the Braves. If not, you still have the guys in house you were comfortable with anyway.
If the solution is Wiggington or Mora, then why even go there? You have better options on the 25 man roster already. My gut tells me the Braves go with what they already have. And I, like you Brian, can live with that
Because it’s the player’s job to develop his talent. Coaches can’t do that for him…they can only give advice. “Developing” players is definitely not Bobby Cox’s job by any stretch of the imagination.
Braves95 again-Yeah, it could -like after the waiver trade deadline had ended. At least now a chance to make a trade for a player (bench or otherwise) exists and would be eligible to be on the playoff roster. Not so much in a couple of weeks.
It’s Robert and .Don-key at the same time.
The blog may short circuit from all the douche juice being spayed by these two nozzles.
God it smells bad in here.
Brian, I do agree with your post of 11:44.
I don’t understand how people think that there is much chance of anyone worth having getting through waivers.
A major league manager’s job is to put his players in position to succeed, on a season-wide level, on a game-to-game level, and on a play-to-play level. Whether they succeed or not is up to the players. Developing players is not the job of a manager, at least not one like Cox who manages a successful franchise. It may be different if he were managing the Pirates who are in a rebuilding mode.
We have another problem and its in center. Am i the only one that is totally not impressed with Rick.His defense has been fine but I am not a big fan of that big swing of his and im not impressed with his base running skills.
No, with Lowell you get a player, late in his career, who has missed almost 200 games the past three seasons. and almost 100 this year alone. You do realize he would cost us players in return?
In my earlier post I prefaced the deal as involving mid to low level prospects. Every team has tons of those, the Braves are no exception. Most never even get a cup of coffee much less make a full time 25 man roster. The Sox would probably take a flier on one of those because just for the reason you mentioned about Lowell’s injuries, the Sox ain’t gonna get compensation when Lowell leaves. He probably isn’t even a type B much less type A FA.
Yes, Ankiel is a concern. I don’t know what the hell he was doing in Houston regarding his baserunning especially on Omar’s hit. This guy is playing like he still is dazed from his concussion.
“Developing players is not Bobby Cox’s job by any stretch of the imagination”.
What an unbelievable statement – this is a major responsibility of a manager.
The statement should have been – Bobby Cox apparently has never thought that developing players is a part of his responsibility.
Lowell isn’t a solution to anything except more time on the DL. When will we get out of this mindset of trying to acquire anyone whop might have done well at one time,but has been old and hurt for years?
Lowell was good several years ago. In recent years he has had numerous injuries and missed more than a full year total the past three. Dude has played 39 games in 2010. Why do you think he’d play more for the Braves?
Why would you be willing to trade players (likely minor league tlent) for a month and a half rental of an often injured player this late in his career? Makes no sense at all – especially considering the Red Sox lost Youklis and wouldn’t really want to part with one of their back up options.
“A major league manager’s job is to put his players in position to succeed, on a season-wide level, on a game-to-game level, and on a play-to-play level”
And putting your players out there without having anything done to develop their tools into skills is a gross failure of that job
Make no mistake…I have had nothing but good things to say about 99% of Met fans…
I wouldn’t compare them to Philly fans, Cub fans, or even Cards fans…
Cards fans for example have been given the moniker of being the “most knowledgeable fans in all of baseball”…
The ones I know, couldn’t be further from the truth, and most don’t even know 20 of the 25 players on their roster.
I know of one example where I was talking baseball and a friend didn’t even know who Jon Jay was or that he had been playing RF and Ludwick was on the DL.
Two Words-30 games played with a batting average this year of .239, an OBP of .311 and a SLG% of .413.
I don’t care if he costs only Joe Whoever from the rookie league. Lowell isn’t going to help us. He is continually hurt and not producing. How does this help the Braves? I’d rather go with Barndon Hicks.
im hoping rick ankiel will run into a few here soon. dudes got a big swing and can hit the ball hard, but he can also slump bad. we all know he at least has the potential to go on a tear, so hopefully he will do that soon.
Suppose you are the CEO of a hospital. You find you have a doctor who is incompetent. You might not be able to teach him correct surgical techniques, but if you continue to let him operate in your hospital, then you are guilty and liable as he is when patients die
Sounds like Chipper Jones light – a little less productive and just a little more injury prone
True, but you’re only planning on using him through October is everything works out. He might even stay healthy that long. It’s bye bye after the season. As for production, he’s been a very productive post season performer.
Instead of Chipper Jones light, I look at it more like a possibility of Troy Glaus May/June. A flier that worked for two months. (hopefully will work again) If those two months are September and October, that would be a good pick up. If not, it was worth a shot if it didn’t cost you too much.
.239, .311, .413. Missed almost 100 games. What about this is not understood?
As for his Post Season production? Do you even check things out before you make your declarations? In 08 he went 0-8 in the playoff appearances and in 09, he went 2-10 for a .200 BA. He had a single RBI in those two years.
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There you go. Nose picking can cause brain damage.
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BravePack
August 13th, 2010
10:58 am
On a brighter note I wanted to give a player some big time credit…TIM HUDSON. How big has he been this year and what a great move by Wren to lock him for some years. I haven’t seen too much credit to Tim with his 13-5 record and 2 something ERA. He is our ace and I’m happy he stayed with us. Keep it up Tim, with a few more wins he could win Cy Young award this year which he most certainly deserves.
P-Town Brave
August 13th, 2010
10:59 am
Along with that, Troy Glaus has a ring and an MVP award…
Ya know, if you spent half your time with your head out of a toilet and the other half not up someones *ss, you might know these things…
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
August 13th, 2010
10:59 am
Yo Phils Phaggot,
You’ve been in 2nd and 3rd place for 2.5+ months. Comeback when you are not in 2nd place if that ever happens. Wow you must be so proud of all those come backs at your Tee-Ball field. Yeh like that’s real baseball there…
LJ
August 13th, 2010
11:01 am
Fillys are a good franchise, but do they not have a blog? What is wrong with people that all they can do is berate, especially where they do not even belong. Sorry about whatever is really bothering you, it couldn’t be baseball(it’s only a game) so whatever it is I forgive you for being abusive here and I will pray for you
Tommy T
August 13th, 2010
11:02 am
phils80-08wschamps is dumb. I mean really dumb. Read a few of his posts, they’re IQ droppers. I would say he’s the dumbest guy on the blog, which puts him in strong running for dumbest on the planet.
Anders
August 13th, 2010
11:05 am
mets ain’t gonna kill nobody.except maybe their in laws. (RHR)
Funniest line of last night!
Well this plus Dumbfound shooting his mouth off about the Phils for an hour and then watching the Dodgers go up in flames.
coach smith
August 13th, 2010
11:09 am
Not to cheer for injury BUT
according to reports Ryan Howard had a “setback” in his recovery and now could be out 2 more weeks!!!!!!
Tomahawkin
August 13th, 2010
11:09 am
I will be at the Chop-House Tomorrow Night…
Anyone going to the games this weekend…?
Robert
August 13th, 2010
11:10 am
“Not sure that Andruw brought more to the overall table than Chipper did. But Andruw was probably one of the 5 best CF (defensively) to ever play the game”
Cant agree with either statement there.
Andruw was a great centerfield – but for only a part of his career – after which he was no longer fit enough to play the outfield.
Andruw Jones (as good as he was) is closer to being the biggest disappointment in Braves history than to being the greatest player
In a way, Andruw personifies “the streak” – Looks pretty good, until you consider what was against what rightfully shoulda been – then it doesnt look so impressive anymore
Ease™ in Sandy Springs
August 13th, 2010
11:10 am
Phillies do have a blog…Actually a very fun read…
PhillyGameDay.com
Glen W
August 13th, 2010
11:12 am
I still feel like A-Ram is a feasible option because we know he’d clear waivers and I still don’t fully believe he would exercise his option…
I don’t see any way that A-Ram walks away from $16.6M for one year of play. I think he’s be lucky to get a 1 year $5M contract for next year. His back is in bad shape and his numbers reflect that.
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:13 am
Is the phillies idiot talking about the same Hinski on our team? You mean the one that has two WS rings. One with Boston and Yankeess. Rookie of the Year 2002 and a AL penant ring with the Rays. Yeah, he doesn’t know how to win. What a douche.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
11:13 am
“The real question is can a team with a lineup consisting of Prado, Infante, Heyward, McCann, Hinske, Glaus, Gonzalez, and Ankiel make the playoffs?
The other side of that coin would be; Can starting pitching of Hudson, JJ, Hanson etc., with a bulllpen that’s among the best in baseball, possibly miss the playoffs????”
Cox is managing, making the former difficult difficult but the latter quite possible.
Moe Berg
August 13th, 2010
11:14 am
MLBTR has speculation about a Figgins/Kawakami trade. It is not a rumor but discussion of a possible match up.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/chone-figgins-kenshin-kawakami.html
DAP
August 13th, 2010
11:15 am
there an article on MLBTraderumors about a kenshin for figgins swap.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/chone-figgins-kenshin-kawakami.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook
Venice Jim
August 13th, 2010
11:16 am
Tom O – you should feel proud when you come back to read the blog – a prominent blog authority has deigned to respond to your question…
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:16 am
Anders…I never, ever thought I would be saying this to a Mets fan but WTF is going on over there. I really feel sorry for the fans. What a cluster (you know what) this franchise has turned into. Is the discipline and morale that screwed up? I’m embarassed for you man!
Danga
August 13th, 2010
11:17 am
I don’t think there is any doubt about Andruw’s bonafides as one of if not the greatest defensive CFer of all time. He never became Willie at the plate, but that doesn’t take away from how great he was in the field.
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:18 am
Wanna be a Braves fan? We would take you because you really must love the game to support those guys.
BravePack
August 13th, 2010
11:18 am
Something tells me that bringing Freeman up would be a good shot in the arm for this club right now.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
11:18 am
“He fell victim to the lofty expectations that were set for him, with that 96 WS performance. ”
He fell victim to playing for a manager who could teach him nothing.
For tools to become skills, a player has to develop. And to develop, he needs two things, the willingness to work hard and mentoring.
Andruw had a tendancy to be lazy – to coast by on pure talent. He was allowed to do that. And the manager he played had no ability to mentor him.
Andruw Jones was a victim of Bobby Cox’s incompetence
TWO WORDS
August 13th, 2010
11:21 am
Mike Lowell: Been there. Done it. Experience. Pop in his bat. No long term committment. A win now choice.
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
11:23 am
TWO WORDS, I have two fears for Lowell: his defense and his bat away from Fenway Park. He’s a right-handed fly ball pull hitter that’s had a huge wall about 300 feet away from him in left field.
Lew
August 13th, 2010
11:25 am
Yeah, MIke Lowell and his 39 games played, almost two months missed (this year – not to mention how many the past three), .239, .311 and .413 sure recommends him as the piece we need to get to the playoffs. Right.
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:26 am
Robert…Andruw coasted on his unbelievable talent. Jocks think it will never end until it does. The mind is there but the body isn’t. Big egos don’t accept failure very well. Bobby was like the father you didn’t want to disappoint. Andruw did. I can’t hit my 7 iron 165 anymore but I’ll be damned if Im gonna hit a 6. That’s for old guys. Guess what, I’m there.
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
11:27 am
My fears confirmed…he’s had an enormous home-road split the last few years. This year it’s .831 to .519, last year it was .932 to .713. In 2007, it was .993 to .767. The aberration was 2008, when he hit a little better on the road.
But I would be very, very wary of his bat outside of Fenway.
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:29 am
Hey Lew…I hear you got the cast off. Pretty ugly right now. It will get better. Just takes time.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
11:30 am
“So who? my best answer is Pedro Feliz”
NO!!
You know the only thing worse than hitting .220 and striking out once every three at bats?
It’s hitting .220 despite striking out only once every 10 at bats (Feliz has 30 K’s in 284 at-bats)
He may be THE worst hitter in the big leagues right now.
If you were adding him to a team loaded with great OBP then ok. But right now, we already have two guys (Glaus and Ankiel) who are OBP black holes who are playing every day. Adding a third automatic out to the lineup could easily be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
. Don
August 13th, 2010
11:30 am
Robert, you nailed it relating to Andruw. He could have been and should have been one of the greatest players in baseball history. His hitting production was only a shadow of what it should have been. With his unbelievable overswinging, his starting the bat hard instead of putting it into motion and accelerating it, and his trying to pull everything – it was amazing that he could even make contact. Only his great talent enabled him to do so. His was the most wasted talent that that I have ever seen. Here, there was more wasted talent than there was developed talent. This is another extreme example of the incompetence of Bobby Cox and his not doing things that are so obvious.
Anders
August 13th, 2010
11:31 am
Relax. They’ll have Pelf, Niese and Cy Dickey going. Anders says they’re good, so it must be true.
(Steve)
First of all Niese isn’t pitching in the Phillies series. The Mets have “undecided ” going tomorrow night. Could be Ollie, could be a AAA call up. Yikes.
That aside, Niese’s pitching line is right there with “The Franchise” Tommie Hanson’s and Pelfrey is right with Lowe. Santana is turning on his second half jets as usual and is climbing in the pitching stats not quite where Hudson is but getting closer each outing. Dickey’s been very, very reliable.
The Mets are rated right behind the Braves in team pitching in the NL, it’s the Mets bats that have severely dissapointed this year. As I said yesterday, I’m ok with Santana, Pelfrey, Niese and Dickey as 4/5’s of my rotation next year.
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:31 am
I have to admit the Uggla to second and Prado to third isn’t a bad idea but Uggla hasn’t been put on waivers has he?
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
11:33 am
What’s funny is that Robert and Don think Bobby or any other manager could magically “develop” Andruw Jones.
Crime Dog
August 13th, 2010
11:35 am
Andruw had a tendancy to be lazy – to coast by on pure talent. He was allowed to do that. And the manager he played had no ability to mentor him.
Exactly! Like that one time when he loafed after a ball in the outfield because he was lazy, Cox yanked him from the field right then and there! I mean think about it. What does a lazy player desire? To sit in the nice comfy dugout and not have to run around and play baseball! That donkey Cox took a lazy bum and gave him a seat. What an idiot.
Derp.
RC
August 13th, 2010
11:36 am
Can Figgins still play CF if needed? If so, then making a move to acquire him makes more sense long-term, since you don’t know right now if Chipper will attempt to come back next season or retire. If he comes back, instead of wasting $9 M on a backup 3rd baseman, Figgins can play CF, and Ankiel can be non-tendered.
BravePack
August 13th, 2010
11:37 am
Uggla would be huge but I don’t think Marlins would do it unfortunately. The only way would be out of respect to Bobby to go out on top seeing as they are pretty much out of it…I know yeah right.
Long Time Braves Fan
August 13th, 2010
11:37 am
Tonight is the start of the post Chipper era of the Braves. SO SAD
Lew
August 13th, 2010
11:38 am
Travis-It’s not off (completely) yet. I take the boot off at night. It’s going to be at least another month. Appreciate the thoughts, though.
Anders
August 13th, 2010
11:38 am
What a cluster (you know what) this franchise has turned into. Is the discipline and morale that screwed up? I’m embarassed for you man!(Travis)
Google Domestic Violence:Cox,Bobby.
See what you come up with. We’ll talk then. Crap happens – everywhere.
njbraves
August 13th, 2010
11:38 am
.Don agrees with Robert… Who would have believed it. You guys are right, it’s all Bobby’s fault that Andruw gained too much wait and tried to hit a HR on every pitch. Thank God you two geniuses are here to explain this to us.
P-Town Brave
August 13th, 2010
11:38 am
Question…
Even if we could get rid of Kawakami, does Figgins give us anymore than Infante?
Possible base stealing threat at the top, but would he get on base enough and what would the adjustment period be like moving to the NL where he has never played?
TWO WORDS
August 13th, 2010
11:38 am
Brian,
I understand your concerns. But with Lowell, you get a guy who has a history of turning it up during the stretch run and coming through with some big AB’s. He’s a FA after the season and the Red Sox are probably motivated sellers considering Poppy’s bat came back, they are falling back in their race, and Lowell doesn’t figure into their plans next year. On the other hand, Youkilus being out might make Lowell harder to pry away.
Probably the biggest plus is that this is his walk year with no committment to him after the season so it’s not like the Braves are taking on a big Figgins or A Ramirez contract for next year. If Lowell is a disappointment, you still have the guys in house that you were considering turning to in the first place and you haven’t committed to Lowell past this season. Lowell would be a roll of the dice for a potential big upside. If the Braves are careful and trade away a mid-low level prospect for him they wouldn’t be hurting if Lowell didn’t work out. Lowell does have a no trade clause.
It ain’t gonna happen but if the BRAVES KNEW Chipper was definitely not coming back after this season, they would have more leeway to consider taking on larger, multiyear contract at third.
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
11:40 am
The interesting thing about Figgins is that HE’S NOT VERY GOOD!
I don’t know why people seem to be attracted to guys who can run fast. Yes, he can “play” CF, but did you know he’s a below average defensive center fielder?
But he’s a solid hitter, right? Did you know his career OPS+ is 97, which means he’s below average?
But he’s shown success in the past and has a good chance to be good going forward, right? Did you know he’s 32 years old?
Lew
August 13th, 2010
11:40 am
Long Times Brave – I agree, but the Mets, Phillies and Marlins will be happy not to face him anymore.
I think after he sits for a while and can view it less emotionally, he’ll call it quits. Just can’t see rehab being all that easy when he has had so many nagging injureies the past five or so years. Rehab for Chipper could take a Hamptonian turn quite easily, pulling this muscle or tha – an oblique here a quad there – continually.
Anders
August 13th, 2010
11:43 am
Any of you guys hear the E-mail Mike and Mike read on the air this morning from a Mets fan about Chipper? Utmost respect. I told you guys Met fans truly respected the guy. Hated him for the pain he inlficted on us but you have to respect what he’s meant to baseball. Waltz’s into the HOF imo.
Lew
August 13th, 2010
11:43 am
Brian from SC-I agree there. It’ sanother player we HAVE to get – just like Kotchman, just like McLouth in years past. If some had their way, we would have ended up with Rocco Baldelli.
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
11:44 am
I think if the Braves make a trade, it will be for someone like Wiggington or Mora. But I doubt those players will get through waivers to us. So in the end I would be surprised if anyone but Prado or Infante is manning the hot corner the rest of the season. And that’s fine with me.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
11:45 am
“We are now searching for the answer this morning, hoping and praying that Bobby and Frank come up with something to help continue to stay in first place,”
Not exactly.
We are hoping that Wren and the rest of the brain trust come up with something. For Bobby’s part, we are hoping he doesnt break anything.
Can you imagine a Braves organizational meeting? Everyone i gathered around the table – Cox raises a hoof to say something. Finding himself ignored, he starts hee-hawing, and starts nudging Wren with his snout, nibbling at the pockets of his suit. Eventually Wren smacks Cox on the nose and interrupts the proceedings by shouting
“I told you once I told you a hundred times Bobby – just sit there and be quiet.” He takes a bucket of oats down off the table and places it in Bobby’s chair. “Now eat your oats and try not to break anything. If you’re a good donkey I’ll give you a sugar cube after the meeting is over and then I’ll take you to watch Heyward take batting practice. I know you like that. Good boy, now just stay quiet for a few more minutes. The adults are almost done working”
Lew
August 13th, 2010
11:46 am
Brian-Yeah, you’re probably right, but I think they will find some cheap insurance in a backup infielder.
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:47 am
Anders…I don’t want you to get me wrong. You guys deserve better than what is happening. Mets fan bust there butts to support the team and get bitch slapped by the players and managers for there support. Tirades like Zambrano had and the catcher the other night with Cincinati kicking players with his spikes and yes the Bobby Cox domestic violence things do happen. But It seems that Mets management has lost control of the team. I’m not picking on you but there are some real issues with that club…You don’t agree?
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
11:49 am
Robert, that post was probably the most asinine thing I’ve ever read here. And you wonder why you have no respect here and everyone thinks you’re an imbecile. At least come up with something reasonably intelligent that a five-year old wouldn’t come up with.
Lew
August 13th, 2010
11:50 am
No, with Lowell you get a player, late in his career, who has missed almost 200 games the past three seasons. and almost 100 this year alone. You do realize he would cost us players in return?
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 13th, 2010
11:50 am
That Phils fan is on a thin string right now. I have so much to say
Robert
August 13th, 2010
11:50 am
“Robert…Andruw coasted on his unbelievable talent. Jocks think it will never end until it does. The mind is there but the body isn’t. Big egos don’t accept failure very well. Bobby was like the father you didn’t want to disappoint”
Bobby was more like the uncle who told your mom he was gonna teach you how to ride a motorcycle. When you got home, you told mom that he taught you how to pop a wheelie. You didnt tell her that he didnt make you wear a helmet and let you down a coupla Budweiser’s before you rode.
Anders
August 13th, 2010
11:50 am
Travis- How does management control what happened with Santana and K-Rod?
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 13th, 2010
11:51 am
Chipper Jones, injury couldn’t come at a worst time.
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 13th, 2010
11:53 am
Dave Cameron believes the Mariners “should be focusing on future wins,” so he suggests a Chone Figgins for Kenshin Kawakami trade.
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:53 am
You don’t think the current management has lost control of this franchise?
Travis
August 13th, 2010
11:54 am
Anders…You don’t think the current management has lost control of this franchise?
Duder
August 13th, 2010
11:54 am
On a brighter note I wanted to give a player some big time credit…TIM HUDSON
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Concur – an astute move by Wren.
I’d like to add Jonny Venters to this list. No other Brave with the exception of Hudson has been so consistent and dominating throughout the entire season.
He is practically tied for first with Mariano Rivera in ERA; continues to gather praise from Billy Wagner, scouts and others; and has the best nickname on the team.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
11:54 am
“Exactly! Like that one time when he loafed after a ball in the outfield because he was lazy”
The key words in that post? “One time”
Dude, earlier this year, I was shocked when like two times in the span of ten days, Cox employed some strategy that worked to win a late and close game. Before that, the time that he once pulled Andruw out for loafing would be the last time I think Cox did anything positive for his team (other than when he gets his stupid self ejected early in the game)
One time.
One time when Bobby hee-hawed it just happened to be right after someone asked “What was the name of that country music show hosted by Buck Owens?” Does that make him a genius?
. Don
August 13th, 2010
11:55 am
Brian, why in the world would you think that Andruw’s great talent could not have been developed when he first came up (not deep in his career). Granted, it may have required sitting him on the bench until he was willing to listen – until his attitude changed.
. Don
August 13th, 2010
11:56 am
The big question is – Can the Braves maintain their Division lead in spite of Bobby Cox’s blunders and lack of flexibility?
TWO WORDS
August 13th, 2010
11:56 am
Hey, I’m looking at what I feel are realistic possibilities. That’s the reason I go with a Lowell instead of some name that no way is going to get through waivers or whose contract is the size of Mount Rushmore, next year. Heck, Lowell probably wouldn’t get through waivers, I don’t know.
The worst thing the Braves could do is to make a move and commit playing time for some guy who isn’t any better OR who doesn’t have the high end potential to make a real difference. Can’t afford a huge contractual committment so you probably should try to catch lightning in a bottle rather than guaranteed mediocracy from anyone you bring in. If a guy like Lowell can get hot for a couple of months in a pennant race, then good for the Braves. If not, you still have the guys in house you were comfortable with anyway.
If the solution is Wiggington or Mora, then why even go there? You have better options on the 25 man roster already. My gut tells me the Braves go with what they already have. And I, like you Brian, can live with that
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
11:57 am
Because it’s the player’s job to develop his talent. Coaches can’t do that for him…they can only give advice. “Developing” players is definitely not Bobby Cox’s job by any stretch of the imagination.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
11:57 am
“No, with Lowell you get a player, late in his career, who has missed almost 200 games the past three seasons. and almost 100 this year alone”
Sounds like Chipper Jones light – a little less productive and just a little more injury prone
Lew
August 13th, 2010
11:58 am
Braves95 again-Yeah, it could -like after the waiver trade deadline had ended. At least now a chance to make a trade for a player (bench or otherwise) exists and would be eligible to be on the playoff roster. Not so much in a couple of weeks.
coach smith
August 13th, 2010
11:59 am
Robert
you are a moron
Cox, Mazzone, and about every other person in and around baseball has said Andruw may be the BEST CF EVER
and “part of his career”
LOL are you kidding??? It was 11 years and 10 Gold Gloves! that is one hell of a long “part” of a career Most are lucky to play that long
BravePack
August 13th, 2010
11:59 am
Duder
Good call dude…The Vulture has been huge for the Braves. He’s got great stuff and could become closer next year if he keeps this up.
Lew
August 13th, 2010
12:00 pm
Damn-Robert and Don together. Maybe a bicycle bulit for two is in order so they can go on a road trip, like Diogenes, seeking the perfect manager.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
12:00 pm
“Developing” players is definitely not Bobby Cox’s job by any stretch of the imagination”
Pop quiz. A major league manager has two major responsibilities. Are they
a) In game startegy and player development? or
b) Making sure everyone gets cake and ice cream after the game and giving nonsense answers to the media?
CraZyTRaDeMaN
August 13th, 2010
12:00 pm
It’s Robert and .Don-key at the same time.
The blog may short circuit from all the douche juice being spayed by these two nozzles.
God it smells bad in here.
. Don
August 13th, 2010
12:02 pm
Brian, I do agree with your post of 11:44.
I don’t understand how people think that there is much chance of anyone worth having getting through waivers.
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
12:02 pm
A major league manager’s job is to put his players in position to succeed, on a season-wide level, on a game-to-game level, and on a play-to-play level. Whether they succeed or not is up to the players. Developing players is not the job of a manager, at least not one like Cox who manages a successful franchise. It may be different if he were managing the Pirates who are in a rebuilding mode.
shinburger
August 13th, 2010
12:03 pm
We have another problem and its in center. Am i the only one that is totally not impressed with Rick.His defense has been fine but I am not a big fan of that big swing of his and im not impressed with his base running skills.
TWO WORDS
August 13th, 2010
12:03 pm
No, with Lowell you get a player, late in his career, who has missed almost 200 games the past three seasons. and almost 100 this year alone. You do realize he would cost us players in return?
In my earlier post I prefaced the deal as involving mid to low level prospects. Every team has tons of those, the Braves are no exception. Most never even get a cup of coffee much less make a full time 25 man roster. The Sox would probably take a flier on one of those because just for the reason you mentioned about Lowell’s injuries, the Sox ain’t gonna get compensation when Lowell leaves. He probably isn’t even a type B much less type A FA.
Frankie Wren
August 13th, 2010
12:05 pm
Yes, Ankiel is a concern. I don’t know what the hell he was doing in Houston regarding his baserunning especially on Omar’s hit. This guy is playing like he still is dazed from his concussion.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
12:05 pm
“Cox, Mazzone, and about every other person in and around baseball has said Andruw may be the BEST CF EVER”
Ask em that now.
Andruw was a great CF for the period of time he played CF.
But I can not list a guy who couldnt play the position after age 30 as one of the best CF of all time
And I place little value on Cox’s opinion on anything
. Don
August 13th, 2010
12:05 pm
“Developing players is not Bobby Cox’s job by any stretch of the imagination”.
What an unbelievable statement – this is a major responsibility of a manager.
The statement should have been – Bobby Cox apparently has never thought that developing players is a part of his responsibility.
Lew
August 13th, 2010
12:05 pm
Lowell isn’t a solution to anything except more time on the DL. When will we get out of this mindset of trying to acquire anyone whop might have done well at one time,but has been old and hurt for years?
Lowell was good several years ago. In recent years he has had numerous injuries and missed more than a full year total the past three. Dude has played 39 games in 2010. Why do you think he’d play more for the Braves?
Why would you be willing to trade players (likely minor league tlent) for a month and a half rental of an often injured player this late in his career? Makes no sense at all – especially considering the Red Sox lost Youklis and wouldn’t really want to part with one of their back up options.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
12:07 pm
“A major league manager’s job is to put his players in position to succeed, on a season-wide level, on a game-to-game level, and on a play-to-play level”
And putting your players out there without having anything done to develop their tools into skills is a gross failure of that job
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
August 13th, 2010
12:07 pm
The Mets pen sucks, with K-Rod on the restricted list for beating his in laws it makes there bullpen even worse.
P-Town Brave
August 13th, 2010
12:08 pm
CrazyTradeMan-
Could be worse…
That Philly guy could still be here…
He makes those two look like sweethearts…
Anders-
Make no mistake…I have had nothing but good things to say about 99% of Met fans…
I wouldn’t compare them to Philly fans, Cub fans, or even Cards fans…
Cards fans for example have been given the moniker of being the “most knowledgeable fans in all of baseball”…
The ones I know, couldn’t be further from the truth, and most don’t even know 20 of the 25 players on their roster.
I know of one example where I was talking baseball and a friend didn’t even know who Jon Jay was or that he had been playing RF and Ludwick was on the DL.
shinburger
August 13th, 2010
12:08 pm
I would much rather of had blanco in center right now than ankiel.
Brian from SC
August 13th, 2010
12:09 pm
I’d like to hear what big league managers Robert and Don would have done to “develop” Andruw Jones.
I’m listening.
Lew
August 13th, 2010
12:09 pm
Two Words-30 games played with a batting average this year of .239, an OBP of .311 and a SLG% of .413.
I don’t care if he costs only Joe Whoever from the rookie league. Lowell isn’t going to help us. He is continually hurt and not producing. How does this help the Braves? I’d rather go with Barndon Hicks.
DAP
August 13th, 2010
12:09 pm
im hoping rick ankiel will run into a few here soon. dudes got a big swing and can hit the ball hard, but he can also slump bad. we all know he at least has the potential to go on a tear, so hopefully he will do that soon.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
12:10 pm
Suppose you are the CEO of a hospital. You find you have a doctor who is incompetent. You might not be able to teach him correct surgical techniques, but if you continue to let him operate in your hospital, then you are guilty and liable as he is when patients die
Frankie Wren
August 13th, 2010
12:11 pm
Blanco is hitting under .200 with KC and he was coming back to earth the last month in Atlanta. That was not the answer.
TWO WORDS
August 13th, 2010
12:11 pm
Sounds like Chipper Jones light – a little less productive and just a little more injury prone
True, but you’re only planning on using him through October is everything works out. He might even stay healthy that long. It’s bye bye after the season. As for production, he’s been a very productive post season performer.
Instead of Chipper Jones light, I look at it more like a possibility of Troy Glaus May/June. A flier that worked for two months. (hopefully will work again) If those two months are September and October, that would be a good pick up. If not, it was worth a shot if it didn’t cost you too much.
Snotboogie
August 13th, 2010
12:12 pm
Robert likening Bobby to a donkey in every post.
Brian calling Robert’s post “asinine” .
Couldn’t actually be a better description.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
12:13 pm
Two Words – The Chipper Jones light comment was meant as a snide comment
coach smith
August 13th, 2010
12:14 pm
Robert
Mazzone just said it a couple days ago on 680thefan
P-Town Brave
August 13th, 2010
12:14 pm
Why does everyone assume whoever we get to play 3b gets the boot after the season?
There is no guarantee Chipper will be back and there’s not guarantee he’ll be ready to play half a season let alone a full season in 2011.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
12:15 pm
Snotboogie – Bobby Cox is a rhinotillexomaniac
coach smith
August 13th, 2010
12:16 pm
Robert
also, most players haven’t played 11+ years by the time they are 30 and he won a GG at 30
Lew
August 13th, 2010
12:16 pm
.239, .311, .413. Missed almost 100 games. What about this is not understood?
As for his Post Season production? Do you even check things out before you make your declarations? In 08 he went 0-8 in the playoff appearances and in 09, he went 2-10 for a .200 BA. He had a single RBI in those two years.
Robert
August 13th, 2010
12:18 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nose-picking
I quote from this authoritative source
“Nose-picking may carry a number of medical risks, thus some[weasel words] doctors recommend against it and encourage the use of a tissue instead.[8] Risks may include an increase in the diversity of nose flora,[9] occasional nosebleeds (in 25% of those who pick their nose, considering that most of the population picks their nose occasionally)[2] and in rare cases perforation of the nasal septum or self-induced ethmoidectomy.[10] Nose picking, however, should not affect the sense of smell, as the nasal cavity where the olfactory nerves are located is too high up to reach. Also, due to the special nature of the blood supply to the nose and surrounding area, it is possible for retrograde infections from the nasal area to spread to the brain, although this scenario is unlikely to arise from normal rhinotillexis.[citation needed] For this reason, the area from the corners of the mouth to the bridge of the nose, including the nose and maxilla, is known to doctors as the “danger triangle of the face”.”
There you go. Nose picking can cause brain damage.
It would explain a lot
coach smith
August 13th, 2010
12:19 pm
Lew
I think trying to get any rational realistic comments and points across to Robert and his cohort is about as usefull as a screen door on a submarine
Carroll Rogers
August 13th, 2010
12:20 pm
new “focal” blog is up.
Snotboogie
August 13th, 2010
12:23 pm
There you go. Nose picking can cause brain damage.
Wonder how much nose-picking you do then.