2:15 pm August 11, 2010, by David O'Brien
August 11th, 201010:24 pm
When was the last time a brave drove in 100 RBI’s?
August 11th, 201010:25 pm
chilidog, Mac will make 6.5 mil and 8.5 mil in ‘11 and ‘12, both years guaranteed. Frenchy cost himself quite a bit I’d think.
August 11th, 201010:26 pm
McCann makes $5.5 million in 2010. He makes $15 million in 2011-2012.
Francoeur makes $5.0 million in 2010. He makes whatever Taco Bell is paying in 2011-2012.
BamaDude @ CowCollege AL
Tomas …good one …??? …long away ….
August 11th, 201010:28 pm
Over the last five years, McCann has made roughly 11.4 million.
Francouer has made about 9.5 million.
Over the last two years — when it was pretty evident that one was a perennial all-star and one was a below-average major leaguer …. McCann has made 9.4 million because of his long-term deal.
Francouer has made 8.4 million (which shows you how insane arbitration is).
August 11th, 201010:29 pm
The 2010 Atlanta Braves……..LF – sucks, CF – really sucks, RF – lots of promise but expected inconsistency from a rookie, 3B – average but occassionally reminds us he is a Hall of Famer, SS – sucks, 2B best in NL, 1B – sucks (minus May), C – best in NL, bench – best in NL, Pitching – could not ask for any better. My point is that this team individually has a lot of weaknesses and a few strengths as well. But as a collective 25 man unit, they are a really solid team. But to this point in the season the team MVP is……the bench. It just seems like a bench player consistently helps this team win and thats not a strength many teams have.
Bravo … Gone … thanks for those numbers. So, quite obviously, it was the BACK END of the deal where Francouer really cost himself.
Good for Mac, though. And honestly, good for the Braves.
Steve from OH
August 11th, 201010:30 pm
Chop Chop–a pennant at half mast.
McLouth for Frenchy … Straight up.
Get ‘er done, Frank!
August 11th, 201010:31 pm
chilidog–but McCann’s earnings from here on out (until 2014) should far outstrip Frenchy’s unless he somehow gets offered arb.
Wayne in Utah
August 11th, 201010:32 pm
Obviously, Francouer was banking on the arbitration/free agent process being more generous to him.
McCann took the bird (and a nice bird it is) in the hand route.
Life is full of choices.
Check out this article on the Braves’ recent power surge. http://www.sportshaze.com/atlanta-braves-bats-showing-some-unexpected-power/
Sports Haze is the best up and coming sports news website around!
August 11th, 201010:33 pm
Seems appropriate, Steve.
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
I copied some details of Heap’s contract, and Francouers comments at the time. Last post on the previous page
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
August 11th, 201010:34 pm
That. Was beautiful. When he came up, I was thinking, “Well, this could be either be really good or totally nasty…” Then he got a 2-0 count, so I was leaning more towards the “really good” part. Haha, and Mom had gone upstairs and had the radio on, and ya know, the TV is a little more delayed than the radio. Couple seconds after the second pitch, she yells out, “Holy COW!” I yelled back, “Wait! Don’t say it…” Next pitch…OUTTA HERE!! Dang, that one was crushed, too!
And he was so cute in the dugout after the Slam.
Steve from OH McCann has been having a nice little under-the-radar season at the plate.
Since the All-Star Break, oh heck yes…though he started to get things going a little bit before the Break.
August 11th, 201010:35 pm
McCann is slated to make 27MM through the 2013 season (I’m assuming the option gets picked up). Can’t see Frenchy making that kinda cash, unless something drastic happens to his performance or DMGM goes stupid(er).
Wayne McCann took the bird (and a nice bird it is) in the hand route.
That’s always the best way to go.
Tomas- Is that tonight’s Aflac Trivia Question? I’d venture a guess that it was Andruw way back when… But I’d have to look that one up. Good question!
August 11th, 201010:36 pm
I would think the Braves would work to extend Mac before the option year at $9-10 MM per.
August 11th, 201010:37 pm
Heap will make 28 possibly 30 million through 2012. 42 million if the Braves pick up the 2013 option.
Francouer likely coast himself 20 million dollars.
as some have said …this Bravos team is solid !!!!! …super chemistry …yup it matters when half of da starters rate AAA status at best, as some here have also said …hehe
JC Bravo I would think the Braves would work to extend Mac before the option year at $9-10 MM per.
They will if they know what’s good for them…
Chris from the Rock
August 11th, 201010:38 pm
2 for 3 with an RBI for Mr. Freeman tonight. But I’m not gonna’ say it.
“He didn’t have any significant swelling last night after the game and still didn’t this morning…”
According to whom?
And he was so cute in the dugout after the Slam – McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
August 11th, 201010:39 pm
I’m sure you’d find another object for your affection if the Yanks were to steal him, McFann.
Bat … thanks for the info. Yeah, I knew Francouer had made a mistake … just didnt know how severe it was.
But, as it stands now, quite severe. Cause what team in their right mind would give that guy anything more than a major league minimum at this point?
August 11th, 201010:41 pm
Are you kidding?
August 11th, 201010:42 pm
Oh, hell to the no. The Yankees better stay away from him.
Again I say: Normally I don’t even care what Bobby says because I know it’s a big, flaming pile of BS RG
so why all the anger?
August 11th, 201010:43 pm
Mac would be smart to wait. Let people bid on him. Same goes for Hanson, Jurrjens, and any other guy out there.
August 11th, 201010:44 pm
Chop Chop Mac would be smart to wait. Let people bid on him.
Well…then I guess I’d rather he be dumb!
Riiiight… ‘Cause Mac is the type of guy to go running to the Big Apple for lots of $$$. He will be the next Chipper, entire HOF career w/ the Braves.
August 11th, 201010:46 pm
Good news is it ain’t happening for a while yet. As Steve said, I’m sure the Braves would pick up the option if an extension couldn’t be worked out so he’s here at least three more years. And if he does leave, I’m sure the Braves can find McFann another dumpy little catcher to love.
August 11th, 201010:47 pm
And if he does leave, I’m sure the Braves can find McFann another dumpy little catcher to love.
Maybe Salty would make his return.
August 11th, 201010:48 pm
JC Bravo And if he does leave, I’m sure the Braves can find McFann another dumpy little catcher to love.
Very few teams buy out FA years on pitchers. Way to risky for me. By he time the guy hits free agency he’s at a point when may pitchers get hurt or start to decline (see: Hampton, Mike).
Mac is the type of person that will probably sign with the Braves, so long as they don’t try to go too cheap on him.
And doesn’t he always look “cute” in the dugout???
August 11th, 201010:49 pm
Chop–just depends on what his goals are for negotiations. If his goal is to maximize his earnings, then yes. If his goal is to stay in Atlanta, he’s probably got to be a little bit flexible. With him already having a fair deal of money in the bank (he’ll never have to work a day in his life) and a fair deal more on the way for a FA contract, I don’t think he would place as much of a premium on it as JJ or Hanson would. They still haven’t made their money, and need to maximize their earnings now while their arms are still working.
so why all the anger?
muskrat Escobrat Love…………………… in keeping with last nights conversation
Typos galore. Geez…
Oh, most definitely!
(That goes for the contract thing, too.)
August 11th, 201010:50 pm
Well, local news asked Mac what he was doing with his day off tomorrow and he will be sleeping! Not that I blame him.
McCann is a level headed young man. He knows that to earn $40 mil in a career is substantial in a person’s life. I believe he will retire when he leaves the Braves.
August 11th, 201010:51 pm
chilidog75 _ you’re welcome…………. Looks like Jeff will need a job after baseball whether he wants one or not.
August 11th, 201010:53 pm
Sophee Well, local news asked Mac what he was doing with his day off tomorrow and he will be sleeping!
Haha!! Some things never change!
Pameeeeeee I believe he will retire when he leaves the Braves.
Me, too. And I’m gonna go to the game when they retire his number unless extreme circumstances prevent me from doing so.
August 11th, 201010:54 pm
Mac seems to be so humble that he understands the ‘team first’ attitude. And that starts with the contract, so long as the Braves are willing to pay him somewhat fair market value. He’s the type of guy to build a club around.
I know The Old Man is paranoid. That said, when you are leading 8-2 against the ’stros, wouldn’t your bullpen be better served by pitching Dunn, Martinez, or both in the bottom of the 10th?
The combination of close games / scant runs scored and the abuse Bobby is heaping upon Venters and Moylan will come back to bite Bobby. You cannot count on a complete game from this starting staff; that said, the starters are pitching 7 innings per – with the exception of Lowe – and doing their best to not tax the bullpen.
However, EOF can’t get here quickly enough! Farnsworth needs to get his head screwed on straight and contribute. If those two alone could get it together, the tax on Moylan and Venters is reduced to a tolerable point.
In the absence of any reliable hitting, starters need to continue getting to seven, Lowe-tard needs to double up on his ADD dosage and focus on seven, and Bobby needs to stop the Venters / Moylan abuse ASAP.
Or there will be nothing left for the stretch run, let alone the NLDS.
August 11th, 201010:55 pm
Pam–like I said, it all depends on what the player’s priorities are. If Mac’s top priority is making cash, then he’s wise to take Chop Chop’s advice. If his top priority is to stay in Atlanta, then he’d be wise to be flexible with his demands. Besides, it’s not like he will get a significantly below-market deal from them. They’ll pay him.
August 11th, 201010:56 pm
He impresses me as a man that knows when he he has enough and greed is not in his character. I think he knew when he signed the contract that will be all he will really need.
August 11th, 201010:57 pm
Too far ahead to predict. Who knows? He may not even be worth that kind of money in 2013. Catching is a tough business that takes its toll and puts you in dangerous positions.
August 11th, 201010:58 pm
Bleh, I doubt his top priority is making cash. Heck, one time Chipper said BMac would play this game for a buck–or something like that…
August 11th, 201010:59 pm
I know a lot of folks are all worried about our bullpen. I am not. Sometimes guy have arm issues, no matter what kind of usage they get. In my opinion, there is too much babying of pitcher.
Now granted, a guy like Saito is an every other day guy. Wagner is 3 days in a row, then he needs a rest. Venters is young and strong.
Not worried here.
JC Bravo He may not even be worth that kind of money in 2013.
Well, I’ll tell ya, if he’s not, he’ll be among the first to say so (after some here on the Blog, of course…).
August 11th, 201011:00 pm
I cann still smell that corn beef…
Now I’m hungry.
August 11th, 201011:02 pm
McFann–I don’t think so, either. But he won’t play for free, I guarantee you that.
Just an observation:
The same Rick Ankiel who went all “Nuke LaLoosh” against us as a Cardinal in a playoff game – is in a Braves’ uni.
The same Kyle Farnsworth who gave up a 6 run lead against the ’stros in our last playoff game – is in a Braves’ uni.
Man, Frankie and Bobby were sure banking on A LOT of positive kharma from those two when the trade was made.
And then I ask myself: in the last five years, when was the last time a Royal traded to a playoff contender made a positive impact for their team?
I truly don’t recall.
August 11th, 201011:03 pm
Is the corned beef for lunch or for dinner tomorrow, McFann?
Wayne–I’d like to see Venters get some rest down the stretch. He’s been worked pretty hard. Although the rescinded suspension kinda threw a wrench in the Braves’ plans.
August 11th, 201011:04 pm
I remember when Ray Knight turned down the Mets and had to sign with the O’s for about half the money. You could get a T shirt Ray Knight, financial advisor .
August 11th, 201011:05 pm
I reiterate…ACCORDING TO WHOM?
Heck of a game today. I can’t get enough of this team. Yes the defense causes an abuse of Tums on my part, but for the most part the team has found a way to overcome them.
You have to think the offense will start clicking a bit when Prado is back. Hopefully Chipper is back soon because he has been very consistent of late & the power was coming back. McCann is getting in the groove as well.
I still believe Glaus should be sent to the DL & Freeman brought up, if nothing else to have two options available for the playoffs. Bringing Freedie up before Aug 31st makes him eligible for post season & gives Troy a chance to really rest. Whichever one is playing the best by the end of Sept would make the post season roster. Where is the flaw in that?
Troy has hit a few balls hard the past few days, but it’s very obvious he’s hurting & can barely field his position. Freeman is a strong defender. The only negative of bringing the kid up is putting too much pressure on him on the big stage too soon. If he has the mental makeup of Heyward then he’ll be fine.
August 11th, 201011:06 pm
Oh, no, not for free…not catching.
Dinner–corn beef, cabbage, and those little red potatoes! Mm-mm good!!
Depends on who’s owning the Braves, too.
I think Venters will get a respite when OF returns.
August 11th, 201011:07 pm
lighten up guys …we got a 1st place Bravos TEAM the second week of August !! …yeah it’s only 2.5 game lead …but hey gotta be happy !? …no ?! …
I reiterate…ACCORDING TO WHOM?
August 11th, 201011:08 pm
No, Frankie and Bobby looked at the options on the trade market and thought to themselves “bleh. These guys really aren’t all that special. And these clubs seem to be asking quite a bit for them.”
So they went out and got a guy who will provide a bit of pop and speed on the basepaths with a decent defensive presence in CF and an above-average RH arm (for the 6th and 7th inning roles) without really giving up anything.
That was the point of the deal. They pretty much upgraded for free, considering the pieces we gave up figured to have little consequence in the team’s future. So what if the upgrade wasn’t spectacular? It still added a few tools to the club that we needed, and gave us two pieces that can allow us to be more flexible with the 25-man roster.
August 11th, 201011:10 pm
You, Bat, heard him say that? Or did someone think they saw it? Or did someone make it all up?
Yummy!! My dad does italian beef in the crock pot whenever I come home from school. He usually starts it in the early morning and lets it cook til dinnertime. My mouth is usually watering by lunchtime, so I feel ya!
Bat – but at least Ray Knight had Nancy Lopez to help out with household expenses…
Here’s something you’ll enjoy hearing Braves’ fans:
As I was listening to Houston radio tonight, the guy who does the Astros call-in show for the local news station was commenting on how boisterous the Braves’ fans were all week.
He said that we were louder than even the Cubs and Cardinals fans had been this year. He went on to note that even without TBS covering games nationally anymore, it was evident that the Braves still have a thriving home base.
Pat yourselves on the back.
August 11th, 201011:11 pm
* fan base*
If Heap plays through his option year he will be 30 years old when the next season starts.
August 11th, 201011:12 pm
MiaBchBravesFan …you are killing me ! ….can’t argue ….have we da karma ? …nice …
As for Frenchy & his agent: They are making gigantic fools of themselves. I’m sure Dayton Moore wants him, no doubt in my mind. He’ll for sure sign him when the Mets DFA him this off season, but surely he couldn’t be dumb enough to make that move now & offer him arb after this season.
A lot of people have touched on it, but if Jeff accepts he will be a role player he can play for a lot of years in the league. Nothing I’ve seen from him suggests he believes he’s anything but a star so I’d say his ego prevents that from happening. He’s about the only former Brave I truely dislike & nothing he’s ever done on the field helped shape my opinion of him.
August 11th, 201011:13 pm
jaybob _ Chipper Jones told DOB, or someone lied.
August 11th, 201011:14 pm
Farnsworth is the 6th guy down in the pen, behind Wagner, Saito, Venters, OF and Moylan. If he can give us a half decent effort from here on out, he will help.
Ankiel is the puzzle. He had been hitting extremely well since he came off the DL. Could it be getting used to the league? Or the pressure of his situation? He should be able to give us a little pop from CF.
And as bad as our D has been the past 2 weeks, I think it will even out a bit. Just a phase we are going through. We aren’t a top defensive team, but we also aren’t as bad as we have looked lately.
fastasballs: as long as Troy is part of a platoon with Hinske until Prado gets back, I’m OK with Freeman finishing the season at Gwinnett. Infante has proven his worth at 2B, and Conrad has to stand and deliver at 3B until Chipper returns. There will be a three position (1B, 2B, 3B) platoon system involving Prado, Infante, Hinske, Glaus, & Conrad.
Bobby will ride the “hope Glaus finds his stroke” mule until it dies. Accept it and make peace with it.
fastasballs–Frenchy’s agent can only do what Frenchy tells her to. So I think it’s mostly Frenchy. I’m sure that some bad advice has been given along the way, but she can’t put Jeff’s name on the contract, either.
August 11th, 201011:15 pm
Venice Jim _ That’s very true. I went out to their place a few times, nice spread. I used to see Nancy around the golf course quit often. Tough woman, but nice.
August 11th, 201011:16 pm
Bat, fair enough. I just hope it’s accurate. Not sure if DOB is traveling with the team on this trip. On Bobby’s pregame radio report, he didn’t offer up that info…that’s why I was curious. GO BRAVOS!!
Farnsworth gave up 3 runs in that game, in which we had a 5 run lead.
But, your story is pretty good, too.
August 11th, 201011:17 pm
Question: If Venters really a bit wild, or does he want folks to think that way? His work on Bourn in the 8th was masterful!
August 11th, 201011:18 pm
Ray and Nancy still live down here in Albany. She’s got a commercial for an allergy clinic.
August 11th, 201011:19 pm
Welcome to the internet . . .
Fred Freeman went 2-5 with a 2B and a BB tonight. Hicksy went 3-5. What’s gotten into him? The AVG is all the way up to .217!
Pastornicky went 1-1 with 2BB. Schafer 1-4 on his return from the DL.
Hoover gave up 1 ER over 6 innings, striking out 8 and walking 1, and giving up 7 hits.
Myke Jones 2-3 with a homer. Keep an eye on him–lots of tools there.
August 11th, 201011:20 pm
Venters has to keep up the act, or else the league will come back and restore his 4-game suspension for throwing at the Big Vegetarian.
August 11th, 201011:21 pm
“Fred Freeman went 2-5 with a 2B and a BB tonight.”
Yeah, but where were the pitches that he hit, and at what angle did he swing the bat, and at what angle did the bat connect with the ball, and what were the trajectories of every ball put in play?
Steve from OH, That’s true regarding his agent, but the “we” comments are a bit strange. I’m sure she is doing what he wants, but she should have at least enough sense to advise him that he is dealing from a very weak hand right now. Trying to play this out in the media is pointless & pety.
August 11th, 201011:22 pm
I do not advocate trying to hurt another player, but the fine art of controlling the plate is lost on most pitchers these days. It’s refreshing to see a guy take back the inside of the plate.
Bob Gibson would be proud!
August 11th, 201011:23 pm
fastasballs–oh yeah, I agree. Either she’s not doing her job or he’s more of a numbletard than we thought. Either way, he’s hurting his wallet and his rep by doing this.
jaybob _ I was going to copy a DOB tweet from when he landed in Houston, but damn there must be thousands of them.
August 11th, 201011:24 pm
BamaDude: glad you got me, when others missed the point. The Braves connection with the two reached its nadir with us (Farnsworth) and against us (Ankiel). The only thing I hope for is that their conrtibutions are of a positive AND uneventful nature…
And that they don’t melt down in a critical moment for us! That would be a helluva good kharma turn for the both of them.
August 11th, 201011:25 pm
ukuga, perhaps chillax and stop trying to answer everyone’s posts. I done read that story…twice now(thanx for the link) and it still doesn’t answer my question.
ps. thanx for the welcome.
But he won’t play for free, I guarantee you that.
No and you can bet he’s learned from Francoeur how quickly the praise can turn to venom. Just three years ago, 8/11/07, Frenchy was batting .348 with runners in scoring position…
August 11th, 201011:26 pm
Real good then, Bat. Was just wondering if he was there or if it was second-hand news.
And (I know this is off-topic) I sure hope that Chipper’s career didn’t end yesterday night. I’m not ready to see someone else manning 3B quite yet. And I’d sure like to see him play a little bit more before he hangs ‘em up.
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