4:44 pm July 31, 2010, by David O'Brien
July 31st, 20105:37 pm
Robert, I’m not saying it’s impossible for Collins to make the major leagues at his height, but the odds are very much against him. You mentioned Oswalt and Cueto. They’re 6′0 and 5′10 respectively. There’s a big difference between even 5′10 and 5′7. That’s three extra inches of downward movement coming to home plate that Cueto has. As for Wagner, Billy’s a physical freak. He’s thrown 98+ his whole career with a devastating slider. And even Billy’s got two inches on Collins.
It’s simple logic. The higher a plane you’re throwing from, the more of an advantage you have over a hitter. There’s a reason they lowered the mounds after 1968 when pitchers were too dominant. I don’t want to get into a geometry lesson here, but if you’re throwing on a flat plane to major league hitters you better have overpowering stuff or you’re going to get crushed. I know Collins has good stuff, but I don’t know if it’s good enough to make up for the serious disadvantage he’s pitching from at 5 feet, 7 inches.
July 31st, 20105:38 pm
Glaus needs to switch to slow pitch softball. He has the swing and foot speed to excel.
Really – are you guys that upset about collins? we have a ton of pitching in the minors – ton – this isn’t like giving what we gave for tex – i liked Blanco and I’ll still root for him, but wren addressed some areas by giving up a fan favorite, a mediocre reliever, and a decent prospect and getting a decnt prospect from detroit – plus collins was part of the escobar deal – he wasn’t part of our system
July 31st, 20105:39 pm
Would love to have seen them take Nate McLouth instead. Heck, even Kawakami for that matter. HATE us losing Blaco. NOT happy about this one at all.
Collins is a lefthanded pitcher who consistently K’s twice as many batters as he walks … physical size in baseball is totally irrelevant. He was a very good prospect … I would have thought he would bring a better price. You don’t just throw away left handers, no matter how many starters you have on the major league roster (which are, by the way, all right handed).
Well, we’ll see … Farnsworth is certainly an upgrade over Chavez, and Ankiel is potentially a nice fit, but he’s been hurt a long time. I hate losing Collins, though. We’re going to regret that one.
Nice move in a bad trade market for the Braves. When the Brewers took Corey Hart off the table, that should have ended any thought of a major Braves move. He was the only player that fit the need and was worthy of spending big to acquire. So in a market where scraps were the best that we could get, this is a good move.
But this deal is a classic something for nothing move where we can’t really lose. Ankiel has a little power and has been hitting since returning from injury. Farnsworth adds to the bullpen depth. Can never have too much depth there.
WHAT A LAME ASS TRADE WE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING. RICK ANKIEL REALLY WREN EXPECT HIM TO SUDDENLY TURN INTO DALE MURHPHY OR SOMETHING. SEEMS TO ME WE HAVE A BOAT LOAD OF OUTFIELDERS JUST LIKE HIM. ITS BEEN FUN AND I AM GLAD THEY HAVE BEEN COMPETITVE BUT IT IS COMING TO A HALT. PLEASE SELL THIS TEAM TO SOMEONE WHO WILL GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ITS FANS.
July 31st, 20105:40 pm
KC got the better of this….they get a runt who throws 96mph and will be starting in Majors late next year…we get the Cards old wild thing….1 Question..Can Chipper hit anything other than singles and question 2…Does Troy Delouse even open his eyes when batting….Inquiring Minds would like to know!
Marc in FL
July 31st, 20105:41 pm
I just don’t see why we needed yet another platoon player and middle reliever. Our need was about as glaring as you could get. We needed a RH bat with some pop, and instead got a LH bat to hang out with Chipper on the DL and another middle relief guy. I just don’t get it.
Hey Joe. I appreciate that he’s hitting .298 since May 10th. I really do. It’s WAAYY better than McLouth. BUT….he has 18 rbi’s in that span, with stretches of 7 and 11 games without any runs batted in. He is not a run producer. He may hit close to .300, but runs are not frequently scored as a result of his insertion into the lineup. Sorry. For what it’s worth, I appreciate some of the outfield assists he’s had. Those have been big…
This trade is probably the best thing the Braves could have done for Blanco. They just couldn’t (for whatever reason) give him the playing time he deserved and KC most likely can and will.
July 31st, 20105:42 pm
Painful to watch Glaus. He and Gonzo got no mogo.
Smoke and mirrors with no real change for the team. This was a trade to make Braves fans think that ownership cared about the team. When you look at the players involved, its clear that they don’t. I’d rather have Blanco as a 4th outfielder than Ankiel.
July 31st, 20105:43 pm
I am not sure about this trade. Blanco done a good job for the braves when he played and could run the bases. I don’t know!
July 31st, 20105:44 pm
All the “expert” baseball people on here but the MLB mavens say we got the better end of this deal.
July 31st, 20105:45 pm
Great. Ankiel comes in as the 5th best outfielder on the team, hitting worse than Diaz, Cabrerra, Hinske, and Heyward and Farnsworth comes in as the 5th best reliever on the team, inferior to Wagner, Saito, Venters, and Moylan. Both are in their thirties. For that we lose a solid player who was batting 300 in the bigs, played excellent defense, had some speed, and had a good looking swing AND was in his 20s. The Braves need to learn that just because it’s the trade deadline doesn’t mean you HAVE to make a trade.
Me thinks Boisebrave has been breathing way too much clean air!
July 31st, 20105:46 pm
Exactly Tim – we have a boatload of 4th outfielders. Heyward is the only one who would start on any other contending team. At least Blanco was contributing and helping the team win games and his reward was demotion for McOut and then a trade.
Ankiel is a marginal player – 4th OFer at best.
Adding Farnsworth is an obviously astute move. Ankiel could prove to be a sleeper; if healthy he adds desparately needed right handed pop, he can play center field (though he’s not going to be confused with any gold glovers), and he can come of the bench as a pinch hitter. Certainly an upgrade over Clevlen.
I’m a bit disappointed there wasn;t a long-term focused solution for center field and/or a first baseman. I still think they should bring up Freeman and ease the load on Glaus. But these are solid additions and we still have all the hot pitching prospects.
if you’d rather have Blanco than Ankiel, you’re either A) stubborn or B) don’t know baseball
July 31st, 20105:48 pm
Blanco = selling high
Ankiel = buying low
Farnsworth = buying high
Chavez = selling low
you can win alot of games with people like Blanco,who always seem to get the big hit , and not leaveing runners on base or getting on base for the big guns.The Braves leave alot of runners on base.Glaus go with the pitch ,stop trying to pull everything
July 31st, 20105:50 pm
To Braves players – Please do not speak to Farnsworth unless he speaks to you first. Also, do not be surprised when he appears on the mound wearing a Cape. He is, after all, immortal. Just ask him.
July 31st, 20105:52 pm
Great so now we are okay with picking up a steroid user in Ankiel to win a few more games? Sad.
Some of you guys crack me up. Blanco had 58 at-bats for the big club this year. He’s spent the majority of this season in Gwinnett. Yet to hear some of you talk about him you’d think we were losing an everyday player.
Blanco did some nice things, but come on, the guy is a very limited offensive player. He’s a .252 career ML hitter with absolutely no power. He draws walks, but that’s about the extent of his offensive value. Sorry, I just am not going to lose any sleep over losing him.
don’t know what people are so upset about. We got a much better reliever in Farns over Chavez. Collins yeah he’s lit up the minors and will probably be awesome ok but the Braves have a ton of pitching in the minors..and Anks could add some power that we have lacked from center. Not a bad trade at all. Blanco did a great job for us in his call-up this year, but he’s ont worth crying over
Largo- I’m sure they’re reading this
Blanco was well liked from most indications.Farnsworth should be a plus,and could give Venters some rest,and save his arm.Thumbs up
July 31st, 20105:53 pm
THE COLLINS FACTOR
I don’t think the fans realize how much the Braves gave up with Collins.
He has dominated at every level where he’s pitched, including AA this year, according to Keith Law at ESPN — and has three solid pitches.
But what still bothers me the most is the Escobar for Gonzalez trade. This is a Doyle Alexander for John Smoltz kind of a trade — with Atlanta on the short end of the deal.
Yunel was so clutch for the Braves last year — even being voted the 20th best player in the NL in last years MVP balloting.
Gonzalez is a journeyman SS, who benefited from a hitter friendly park in Toronto — and has yet to show any real production for Atlanta. An absolutely terrible trade!
It seems like the people who don’t like the trade wanted a 30-35 homer man. The Braves ain’t the Yankees, folks.
July 31st, 20105:54 pm
Can somebody please explain Chipper’s problem to me. What has really happened to his batting? he doesn’t look like he sees the ball very well and he doesn’t seem to get good swings at the pitches that he does see. Is it speed? what? I know its not attitude or desire.
DawgDad – Maybe I missed something here. How can a left handed batter give us some right handed pop?
Calm down Tim……For this yaer Farnsworth is better than Chavez…..Ankeil is the x factor…we will just have to wait and see about
Smoltz wasn’t 27 when he came to the Braves…and nobody ever questioned his effort
July 31st, 20105:56 pm
If Blanco or Collins turn out to be All Stars then there will be reason to complain, otherwise, the Braves gave up next to nothing to acquire some depth. Chavez is addition by subtraction, and for all the power lovers, Ankiel has more power and a better arm than Blanco and just as much speed.
Too early to grade the trade, but it certainly is a + on paper.
July 31st, 20105:57 pm
plate appearance=box of rocks…you are utter nonsense plate have you ever watched a game?
Disappointed in clueless fans
July 31st, 20105:58 pm
I can’t believe the reaction to this trade. Gregor Blanco has absolutely no power.Nobody can afford an outfielder that at best hits 2 to 3 home runs per year. Ankiel is a better outfielder than Blanco. We can only hope Ankiel continues to return to form at the plate. Farnsworth is a huge improvement over Chavez. Unfortunately Atlanta fans prove clueless yet again. Does anybody follow baseball?
Yunel was so clutch for the Braves last year and they finished in 3rd place in the east Plate, you silly simpleton….This year what did he do…ummm nothing and we are in 1st place…get a clue plate. Watch some games and learn the game of baseball
July 31st, 20105:59 pm
We’ll see over the rest of the season how this trade works out. I don’t think it made us any worse, but I don’t think it really made us that much better.
The real wild card isn’t one of the guys we got. Ankiel will around .250-.260 the rest of the season with 5-6 HRs, IF he stays healthy. Farns is an above average middle reliever and should be solid for us. The real wild card though is Glaus, he’s the only serious HR threat on this team, the only guy remotly close to a real clean-up hitter. He has to start performing again.
Largo: Yes, I realize Ankiel is left handed. Slow day mentally.
July 31st, 20106:02 pm
Not riding Blanco’s jock, but if anybody deserves to be in KC it’s McLouth. As for Ankiel its hard to hit homers when they’ve taken your medicine away. Farnsworth is no better than Collins ( if Booby would have given the kid a chance ) there is nothing wrong with picking up experience, but you need to keep the future contributors around long enough to help J-Hey down the line.
July 31st, 20106:05 pm
farnsworth is no better tha collins? This is based on AA numbers?
This looks like another great Braves trade…remember trading Justice (I still get gas thinking about that trade), the Wainwright for Drew deal (laRussa still laughing at Cox for that), the Texiera bomb…yes sir looking good, traded real talent for a reliever even the Cubbies didn’t want and a converted pitcher/outfielder who the cards realized years ago wasn’t gonna be gravy….yes sir Wren is starting to make moves like Schurholz…Lord help us!
July 31st, 20106:06 pm
I like Ankiel, he plays with heart, has good speed in the outfield, and is a streaky power hitter. I dont like Farnsworth…. last game of 2005…. i was hoping to never see him in a Braves uniform again.
I dont like us giving up that Collins kid, dude has some great numbers, and “undersized” would also apply to many of the greatest pitchers of all time. Pedro Martinez, the Giants ace, etc.
Ankiel did steroids..
…therefore he was and always will be a cheater.
Grandpa Right, formerly of Cochran
July 31st, 20106:07 pm
Farnsworth is a big upgrade over Chavez and Ankiel is better than any center fielder we have. We gave up nothing. Not earthshaking but a solid trade.
Blanco was better than McLouth but will never be an everyday player. I wo9nder if KC would take McLouth if we paid all of his salary? That would remove Cox’s temptation to bring him back up and play him.
July 31st, 20106:08 pm
why is bobby letting JJ continue – double single single – tie game and he is still in game WTF man come one
They get rid of Chavez which is great, but they traded the only player with speed they have which was stupid. All in all I think it was a dumb trade. Farnsworth always wilts under pressure and Ankiel isn’t that good and seems to be hurt a lot lately. Blanco would have been better than Ankiel. They still need a bat in the lineup and hopefully they get one in August. They got LaRoche last year so there is still hope but I feel they made the team worse by getting rid of Blanco.
July 31st, 20106:09 pm
I love the Braves…………this is a typical “Braves” deal!
great trade in my opinion….Blanco had a decent run with us this year but as a defensive outfielder he is not much better then johnny damon or garrett anderson….So to get ankeil is great…then to get rid of chavez for farnsworth is great!people are talking about him in as a closer but he will probably pitch behind moylan,venters,wagner.
Ankiel’s stats BA/OPS vs. Right Handed Pitchers 302/960
We all know that Diaz kill’s LHP
Melky is even against both and has quietly become a very good hitter for this team (.292 avg last 30 games)
Omar can get some time in this platoon as well esp vs LHP
Only problem I have with this trade is that wondering why we didnt go get Posednik like the Dodgers did rather than Ankiel and add some serious speed on this team – for some reason the Braves upper management is afraid of speed guys it seems
July 31st, 20106:11 pm
REAL OUTFIELD PRODUCTION
Had the Braves truly wanted some OF production they should have traded for Ryan Ludwick in RF and shifted Heywood to CF.
I couldn’t believe it when I saw that Ludwick was traded to the Padres. Who knew that Ludwick was even available?
Where was Wren on this potential deal?
Solid trade. Are the 2010 Atlanta Braves a better team after making this trade? Absolutely.
Folks seem to be upset about the trades. I understand everyone can voice their opinion and I respect that. However, all the cursing, name calling, etc about the trade seems kinda sophmoric as that if you think Wren is such an “idiot”, why was everyone sounding his praises when Glaus was excelling? Why was everyone all happy when the Braves were winning consistently? I don’t know if the trade will pan out. I hope it does. If it doesn’t, well, I guess there’s always football season. I want my Bravos to be champs every year too, but I have no control over that and this isn’t politics. We can’t “fire” Wren or anyone else. Leave the name calling and venom out, voice your opinion, and move on folks. Quoting the great Forrest Gump, “That’s all I got to say ’bout that…”
July 31st, 20106:13 pm
Coulda been worse, at least we dont have an injured Johnny Damon on our roster. McClouth actually replaces Blanco in that he isn’t going anywhere, he is still good defensively and he has potential power if he can get his hitting back in AAA. Ankiel is a cheap stop gap who excelled when he was in the NL with a competitive team. His numbers actually are pretty good with only playing 27 games this year. I think the move def can help especially since the Phillies have 2 dominate right hand pitchers now. We need some left handed consistent slugging. Glaus needs to start hitting again and Prado needs to get healthy cuz they are key yo this team thriving
Great play MELKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bet Ankiel could throw the ball to the cutoff man though…
If you want people to read your post, don’t start with anything negative about the Yunel trade….nobody will read the rest, because that proves that you have not watched much baseball this year.
July 31st, 20106:14 pm
lol Melky, probably worst play of 2010
I like that we got Farnsworth. I don’t like that we got Ankiel. I like that we got rid of Chavez, but I HATE that we had to give up Blanco, who is much more serviceable than Ankiel.
I heard reports about Jacoby Ellsbury. WTF happened to that? That would have been WAY better. This almost is a worthless trade.
July 31st, 20106:15 pm
Left him in two batters too long.
Yankees thoughts….Melky or Gardner?….hmmm
At least we are getting a CF with a great arm.
Hmmm… why didnt someone tell Jurrjens that dude is hitting .500!!!!!!!!! with men on base!!??? And the throw by Melky… wow…
July 31st, 20106:16 pm
What the heck just happened there? Where did that throw go? Wow!
Kevin Millar is an idiot and doesn’t belong on a national broadcast.
All in all, I think the trade is fine. A very small net positive for the Braves without giving up anything significant given they were clearly not going to give Blanco a shot. Certainly not a difference making deal, though.
Why is it for every good thing Melky Cabrera does he makes up for it with something really, really bad?
Leave it to booby cox to leave JJ in. Stupidest manager in the history of baseball. Guy gets beaned by a pitch the inning b4 and he leaves him in. So sick of this guy. So glad this is his last year.
Well, JJ threw a nice change to him that the blind umpire did’nt give him.
Steve- Ellsbury would’ve cost us waaay more than Ankiel. If we’d gotten Ellsbury people (maybe ven you) would be whining that we gave up too much.
where doomed with melky lol
July 31st, 20106:17 pm
Ellsbury would have been worth giving up a lot for though – that’s the difference.
Chief Nock A Homa
This was a trade for Farnsworth, and Ankiel is just a throw in to give us another outfielder… Hopefully, though, Ankiel continues his recent groove since he’s been back… At least it gives us more depth is how I’m looking at it and we didn’t give up much of anything to get another arm and some depth…
I just hope we plunk their starting pitcher tomorrow.
July 31st, 20106:18 pm
A lot of questions in the Boston clubhouse about Ellsbury’s mental makeup. A lot of questions.
Sox also just traded for Saltalamacchia and have DFA’d Wheeler High’s Jeremy Hermida.
I watch a lot of Sox games, and Hermida looked clueless at the plate and lost in the outfield.
I’m not so sure Marc. I like Ellsbury too but not at the expense of someone like Minor.
Another loss that can be blamed on Cox and wren. How do you leave JJ in that whole inning. And Wren for not giving us a real bat – 2 runs in first and thats it. We are toast our lineup sucks
If you’re going to put Moylan in why did’nt you do it one batter before?
July 31st, 20106:19 pm
Nice defense! Pathetic
So what’s the best place in the ATL for steroids? That’s how I roll you know!
July 31st, 20106:20 pm
How about how bad the Yunel trade has been so far.
July 31st, 20106:21 pm
Minor is a future number 3 starter, I’d give him up for Ellsbury without hesitation, especially when we have several front of the rotation guys in the minors. Ellsbury is on the DL right now, but he is an elite base stealer, great defender, and good with the bat. He’s the real deal. Ankiel will do OK for us, but he’s not going to bring any kind of energy like Ellsbury.
Anyway, it’s done, I need to let it go and laugh at Melky some more on my DVR.
Because booby cox is a moron.
July 31st, 20106:22 pm
All I have to say about the Braves trade is: ho hum. Shouldn’t have given up Blanco (he actually should not have been sent down to bring back McLouth, but you guys already know that).
Re this game: as usual, Bobby keeps in a starter for too long. When will he learn we have none that can go even close to the distance anymore?
July 31st, 20106:23 pm
Don’t blame melky. Blame booby for not changing pitchers and wren for acquiring him in the first place.
GTSteve: I coulda told you a month ago that Escobar was a better 2nd half player. I fully expected him to hit .320 or better after the All Star break. He is hitting .357 with the Jays so far, time will tell that i was right about not trading Escobar. What has our new SS done for us? Sure as hell havent seen him on base alot. And OBP is what got us our great record in the first half of the season.
July 31st, 20106:24 pm
Not a great trade…not a bad trade. But leave it to the AJC to fail to mention (in two separate articles) that Kyle Farnsworth is a local product of Milton High School. I don’t think the AJC ever pointed out that the guy who recovered the opening second half on-side kick in the SuperBowl for the Saints was a product of Roswell High….Chris Reis. That play totally changed the momentum of the game in favor of the Saints. C’mon AJC give some props to our local talent.
July 31st, 20106:26 pm
I’m sure in farnsworth’s first stint with us that it was mentioned.
The Braves have hit terrible against Left Handed Pitching so we go out and get a Left Handed Hitter?? Plus he’s missed most of season with an injury. Frank Wren is hoping to pull a Rabbit out of the hat with this move.
Why couldnt Glause have been involvef. He really sux again
July 31st, 20106:27 pm
I think we all need to calm down about Farnsworth being not so good in pressure spots… he’s not gonna be put in pressure spots this year. He’s not going to jump in front of Venters or Moylan, but I certainly feel more comfortable with him than Chavez in those extra innings games after we’ve used our top guys…
We better fill that gaping hole of a 5 spot internally. My god, if we can’t get these baserunners in, we can’t win.
Oh, and Melky’s throw… reminded me of one of Ankiel’s pitches.
Bob Horner @ Scott
I think he must have been “hated” in the clubhouse..???? that trade stinks…Yunel was a freak at SS…and his lack of hitting was no problem for me…(as I sit in lazy boy watching the game drinking beers)
Is Ankiel any every day player or a platoon outfielder? Is his primary position centerfield.
Does this mean he’ll be the every day center fielder, creating a three-way platoon in left field — Melky, Hinske and Diaz?
DOB, given Glaus’ struggles, how long before Bobby starts inserting Hinske at first against right handed pitching.
Well I thought knowing one the best hitters on the Reds is at bat was Booby’s job, oh well dang did Melky stay out partying late last night. I know he’s heard about the trade, way to fight for a job in a shotty outfield Melky !!! Is just me or did the FOX sportscasters call JJ last 6 pitches before lightning struck, same old Braves unpredictable. OOPS I’m sorry this is still Booby’s team
July 31st, 20106:28 pm
I know JJ will get the blame for the 7 straight hits but the Braves catchers are not very good at calling games. they do not setup hitters, they just sit on outside of plate or in the middle. The hitters know they will not be brushed back so they hang over the plate and rake the ball. McCann and Ross act like the pitchers can’t throw inside off the plate without missing and letting hitter pull the ball into the seats.
July 31st, 20106:30 pm
Put a fork in em for this game…..maybe Chumper’s can figure out how to hit the Baseball tomorrow.
July 31st, 20106:31 pm
I don’t like this trade. Trading away 5 players for Texeria might come back to bite us in the but, especially the Nefi Feliz pitcher guy. I think he could become a great closer some day. Oh wait that isn’t the trade we are talking about?
July 31st, 20106:32 pm
What part of it was never going to happen for Escobar in ATL do you folks not understand. Did you see the puss on his face and his antics? He was done (his choice) and had to go. It has been a pleasure having Alex at SS. He is obviously trying to hard, but that often happens with someone new. Gonzalez will be fine.
No matter what Yunel does in the coming weeks, he will revert to the true Yunel–malcontent, self-absorbed, bad teammate player he was in Atlanta. Just like with Francoeur (different issues-same result) talk to me in July 2011 about Yunel. Was never going to happen in ATL.
The Ankiel trade has some upside for some extra parts. At the very leasts this is neutral, but what if Ankiel goes wild and Farmsworth throws like it is 2005?
Prediction–Fat Boy Glaus hits soft roller into ending inning double play…hope I am wrong
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