4:44 pm July 31, 2010, by David O'Brien
July 31st, 20104:49 pm
you like the trade Dob?
July 31st, 20104:51 pm
Dumb trade. Blanco was better than what they got.
July 31st, 20104:53 pm
I for one don’t like it period.. Ankiel? is that the best they could do? a power bat? you’re calling Annkiel a power bat? come on now.. be serious. Plus, does anyone happen to remember the last time Farnsworth was with us in a big game moment? I sure do.. 2005 NLCS, the homer to Burke to win it.. geting rid of Chavez, good. Blanco bad.
I have to say that Frank Wren has got to be the worst GM in basbeall.. cab we please fire his sorry butt?
July 31st, 20104:55 pm
Now that I think about it, this was a pretty meaningless trade. It’s seems as though I wanted to trade just for trading sake, and I really had no intentions of upgrading the talent on this team. I was a pin head when I brought in Glaus and Melky Cabrera this year. How’s that working out?
gregor was the man
I think this is a good trade.
If nothing else, swapping Farnsworth for Chavez makes our bullpen much better. Cox can now mix-and-match with Venters and Farnsworth in the 7th and 8th innings based on matchups. Ankiel doesn’t excite me that much, but he did hit 25 home runs two years ago and seems to be doing fairly well in limited at-bats this year. He adds some more pop to an already great bench.
The best thing about this trade, though, is that we lose virtually nothing. Blanco was never going to be more than a borderline 4th outfielder in the major leagues, Collins has good minor league numbers but at 5′7 it’s hard to see him having much of a future in the bigs, and Chavez obviously is not an ML-quality reliever.
We didn’t really give up much. I hope it helps. Anything is better than McLouth.
Jessie Chavis is addition by subtraction. The prospect was just too little to be a power pitcher. The hard throwing righty out of the pen will help.
The University of Georgia Tech
i like the fact we got farnsworth and lost chavez….dont know what ankile can do for us but he does gives a threat to hit a home run…key is glaus has got to start hitting again
Don’t you have to hit to be considered a power bat? I normally agree with Wrenn, but this is a terrible trade. Farnsworth, as he showed in 05, cannot be trusted in big spots and Ankiel is a terrible hitter. And a leftie to boot. I would have rather seen no trade than this one. I’d rather have held onto Collins than get this kind of garbage.
July 31st, 20104:56 pm
Farmer You sir are a IDIOT
I like it if for no other reason – just to ship Chavez.
I know Ankiel couldn’t throw a strike as a pitcher but don’t know much about his defense. If he can stay healthy, I do like the move from an offensive side. I really like Blanco but we improved our bullpen and offense … maybe our defense up the middle too??? Didn’t really give up too much.
July 31st, 20104:57 pm
Ankiel hasn’t been the same since 2008. Great story though.
WOOWWW. are you serious Wren???
The trade is okay. Farnsworth is infinitely better than Chavez. I’ve never been a fan of Ankiel, and I’ll miss Blanco. I grade the trade as a C+
DC Braves Fan
Seems like a good deal, actually.
Ankiel has some pop and maybe pushes Hinske back to 1B to give Glaus some “rest”
Also, Farnsworth’s got a great arm and has delivered pretty well for a bad Royals team. Gives us another arm that we can use in crunch time and we give up a guy who was mostly — not always — a mop up guy. Only one wasted bullpen spot now.
I liked Blanco, but if thats all we have to give up to add a bit more punch to the line-up and another live arm in the pen AND we ship Chavez out, well, its not a bad day’s work for Frank Wren–at least in theory. We’ll see how they all perform. (still not a big fan of the GM, but warming a bit).
NorthEast Alabama Braves fan
July 31st, 20104:58 pm
Hate to see Gregor’s leave. He has done alot for us when asked, and deserves to be in a pennant race more than Mcclouth. Hopefully Wren got this one right
July 31st, 20104:59 pm
great trade! ankiel will thrive in this lineup, probably end up getting 10-15 hrs before the end of the season. and farnsworth strengthens an already deep bullpen. the best part is that they gave up nothing in return…wren continues to prove himself and should be top of the list for exec of the year.
South Georgia Dawg
July 31st, 20105:00 pm
Ankiel can add some good defense and power to this club. Granted Blanco was is a good defensive player, but probably will never hit for much power. I remember Kyle Farnsworth his first time with Atlanta and at the time most wanted him to resign with the Braves and were disappointed when he signed with the Yankees. I just say welcome to the Braves to both of these men and lets see how they do with the Braves for the rest of the season. I am looking for Nate McLouth to return to form and help the Braves later in the season.
July 31st, 20105:01 pm
Wow…just got out of a movie with my kids, turned the game on radio in the car and Boom! Heard about the trade: I think I like it!!! 2 areas of big-time need have been bolstered, and I’m sorry to see Gregor go but maybe he’ll get to be an everyday player in KC. Chavez: bye, bye!! Don’t know enough about Collins to opine on him but way to go Braves!!
I like the point of being able to move Hinske to first, but that’s not enough of a reason to justify this move. I would have rather seen them trade Blanco and Chavez for Farnsworth; Ankiel is a waste.
Farnsworth is an upgrade over Chavez, Ankiel is an upgrade over Blanco, and Collins probably didn’t have much of a chance of making the majors as deep as our pitching is. This is a fine trade but I’m still not sure that it’s enough…
July 31st, 20105:02 pm
I don’t know why they never gave Blanco a shot to be an every day outfielder. He proved himself over and over and over again then was traded… terrible trade Frank!
we coulda kept Blanco instead of some lame player from the Royals. Does anything good ever come out Kansas City??
Blanco better than Ankiel??? Wow…some are utterly clueless. You get significantly better in the bullpen and significantly better in the outfield without stripping the system?? Yeah bad deal
Ankiel is a lefty, too. Right? The more I look ah his recent trending numbers, the more I don’t like it. He strikes out. A lot.
Nothig to get excited or to tip the balance of power in the NL East. If anything we add by subtraction (Chavez). Probably the only person excited by this trade is Venters maybe Cox can lay off using him all the time.
July 31st, 20105:03 pm
Looks like we offered up nothing (below average reliever, minor league set-up guy where ATL was just a short stay, 4th/5th OF) for something (average to above avg. short reliever and ATL native, and an OF with a good chance to blow up in the 2nd half).
At worst, its a wash for ATL.
July 31st, 20105:04 pm
It seemed like Blanco never was in the Braves long term plans. Ankiel might fit in better here if he’s healthy. Hopefully Farnsworth has matured into a better pitcher, although he couldn’t break in the Royals starting line up might be bad news.
Hey Poondaddy, ever hear of Roger Maris?
This is a good trade. Ankiel and Farnsworth will both be fresh for our playoff run and ready to compete. Chavez was doing awful, Blanco didnt play (But I liked him), and Collins wasnt gonna help us this year.
This is a good move. We didn’t need that much help, just enough to upgrade. These aren’t hall of famers but they’ll be good enough for where we are.
July 31st, 20105:05 pm
I know everyone remembers the big, game-tying home run Farnsworth gave up to Brad Ausmus in Game 4 of the NLDS in ‘05, but what is forgotten is that he was a huge part of us winning the division that year. That was the season of Dan Kolb imploding. The closer job got turned over to Chris Reitsma, and he did okay for a while before falling apart, and then it was Farnsworth that took over the closer’s role over the last two months and helped us nail down the division title. He was lights-out.
I just can’t see how you can be upset about this trade. Is it a monster deal that guarantees us a trip to the World Series? No, but it improves our bullpen and outfield depth while costing us nothing this year or probably in the future either. It’s the type of minor tweak good GM’s make to shore up their club.
Vote for Prado
I think that people are making assessments based on their opinion of where they think the braves should have been after the deadline. However, as a trade, this is a pretty good one. Any trade that gets rid of Chavez is a win. He was just awful. I like blanco but there was a reason he’s been at AAA all year. Farnsworth is having a good year and Ankiel is better than mclouth. At least i think.
July 31st, 20105:06 pm
I don’t know about this trade, especially losing Blanco, but trading Chavis is a big plus, Heck I would have gave Chavis away. Maybe Ankiel can give us the needed power we lack. Braves 2 Reds 0 in 4th. GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 20105:07 pm
So this is the Braves answer? They could have done worse, I guess. I still do not think that the Braves are going to the postseason.
hey boisebrave, maris was from minnesota and grew up in north dakota, not from KC
July 31st, 20105:08 pm
Wish we could have gotten Bautista from Toronto a real power bat that is available. But we can still make a move after non waiver deadline if we need to.
Farnsworth is a GREAT reliever. He was lights out for atl the last time we went to the postseason and Ankiel IS a power bat. In 2008 he had 25 HR in only 120 Games. A full season he would have had 35…so yeah that is a power hitter. Wren did the best he could. He also gave up THREE expendables pieces. We didnt need ANOTHER lefty power arm like Collins. Chaves is self-explanatory. Yes, Gregor Blanco is a fan favorite and a great lift off the bench, but KC would only give us Farnsworth if we gave them Blanco. Go look at Farnsworth’s stats and youd realize that the royals are giving up way more in Ankiel and Farnsworth then the Braves are giving up in Chaves, Collins, and Blanco.
July 31st, 20105:09 pm
So, we got Farnsworth back again, huh. He didn’t want to be here before, plus he thinks he’s hot stuff. Giving up home runs are a specialty with him. Trading Collins was also a dumb move. Is Ankiel healthy and can he hit lefthanders? This doesn’t look like much of a trade but it was clear there wasn’t a lot out there for a team that doesn’t have the money.
For the ones complaining about Farnsworth not doing well in big moments, he will not be our closer and maybe not even an 8th inning guy, he is a huge upgrade over Chavez. Ankiel, hopefully Wren knows what he’s doing with him. The best option would be for Nate to fix his swing in aaa and then come back in good form, moving Ankiel to the bench. Would make for an even stronger bench with Infante, conrad, and Cabrera.
I see the Frank Wren bashers have been waiting on a chance to come out of the swamp. Why don’t you just find another team to follow. You have nothing of interest to add to this blog.
We needed another right-handed power arm in the pen and Blanco was playing above his head. I like the idea Bill Shanks had on foxsportssouth.com to move Heywood to center. Understand he can play a great CF. If we did that we might have a good platoon situation in left and right with Diaz & Ankiel (righties), Henski & Melky (lefties). Just a thought, but Bobby is slow to make changes.
July 31st, 20105:10 pm
Hardly a big trade but this is a solid deal for the Braves.
Farnesworth adds needed depth in the bullpen. Ankiel doesn’t solve the puzzle but strengthens the outfield pool.
Blanco was constantly in transit between Atlanta and Gwinnett, not quite good enough to stay with the major league team. Collins is intriguing but there are 8-9 better pitching prospects in the Braves’ system. Chavez hadn’t accomplished anything. And we got more some $ to top it off!
Hey dlowe, he played with the KC Athletics.
Hey dlowe, but the yanks got maris from KC. The point is where they played not where they were born.
July 31st, 20105:11 pm
Not the yanks, sorry, but nevertheless.
For those of you who haven’t given this ANY thought. Some numbers…
3 home runs, 26 rbi’s, 99 GAMES PLAYED! That’s our current starting CF, Mr. Cabrera.
4 home runs, 15 rbi’s, 27 games played. That’s the CF we just traded for. Since coming off the DL, Ankiel has hit over .400 with 1 hr and 6 rbi’s…in a WEEK! Think about this one. At 26 rbi’s as a starter this year, just sitting Melky will be huge. Also, if you can’t tell the difference between Farnsworth and Chavez…wow. Cringing=what happens the moment any Braves fans notices Chavez is on the mound. We totally ripped off KC on this one. Wren will be vindicated….
July 31st, 20105:12 pm
hahaha I thought Collins was the next Billy Wagner? That was the spin to justify the Escobar deal. Now of course he is “undersized”, “too small to make it”, etc.
Good luck to Blanco – he should have stayed up here in the bigs for Atlanta. But hey we need another marginal white player who had his best numbers while on the juice.
People who are crying we lost gregor blanco are delusional. I don’t know if I have seen him hit a ball out of the infield. He’s fast and thats about it.
If Ankiel passes the physical and the trade goes through, he’ll surprise some folks. He’s been hurt since the summer of ‘08.
No doubt this is not the earth shattering trade I think we were hoping for, but it does add to the team. Farnsworth is a great pickup, only other dependable righty in bullpen was Moylen, and obviously Chavez not much of a loss. Ankiel is not awesome, but at least a guys who will hit one out every now and again, unlike Blanco. I must admit that I wanted to see what Blanco could do with extended playing time, I guess we’ll find out now, only he’ll be in KC…good for him though, will definitely play more.
As to Tim Collins, you got to wonder about a guy who is only 5′7″ and being a power arm. Never saw him pitch, but first thing it made me think of was arm fatigue.
All in all, team is a little bit better than yesterday.
How about JJ since coming off the DL, fantastic
July 31st, 20105:13 pm
so we have to go as far back as roger maris playing in KC to prove a point….WOW
Kyle is super this year 3-0 2.42 era and will be closer if Wags has a problem. what happen in 05 was 5 years ago this is now 2010.
Good trade..we got two good players and cash for next to nothing. Thanks Wren.
Ankiel will help…
Overall good trade. If nothing else, Farnsworth will be useful if the Braves get into a brawl. He is a sraight a@@ beater! Still love the clip of him spearing Paul Wilson when he tried to charge the mound some years back.
July 31st, 20105:14 pm
Who the hell cares about collins, we don’t need him!
I hope Blanco makes FW realize who should have been in centerfield in the first place. They could have ate NATES money and haded some one in center that gives over a hundred percent all the time.And he is a baller.good luck Gregor
July 31st, 20105:15 pm
If Rolen is free agent need year we should get him. Damn good player.
July 31st, 20105:16 pm
Great trades – not giving up too much for a great reliever, servicable outfielder, and a good prospect who might be a good September call up – Wren has done pretty good with getting some good pieces while protecting, and loading the farm – good for the short term and long term
July 31st, 20105:17 pm
Lets face it. Ankiel is a risk and Farnsworth was the steal. Farsworth blew up in 2005 playoffs but dont forget he is not the Closer this time. He is not even the Setup man. He is a 7th inning guy along with Venters. He is also locked in for 2011 if we want to keep him.
I agreee with David that this coulld be a big steal. Ankiel is healthy and now back in the NL.
July 31st, 20105:18 pm
Ankiel’s may not be a huge bat, but he’s 9 for his last 20. There’s something to be said for getting a player when he’s hot.
July 31st, 20105:19 pm
Look at it this way. In a blowout game, Ankiel can come in from the outfield to pitch without the Braves having to waste arms.
A team cannot function in tight games when multiple spots must be platooned. Two outfield spots will have to be platooned and by the end of the year first base may have to be a platoon as well. This team will be torn apart by teams with good left-handed pitchers–especially if they come out of the bullpen late in games. I hate to say that, but it’s true. Now that Glaus is back to being today’s version of himself this lineup is very week against lefties.
Wow, all these people who think Blanco was an incredible CF who should’ve been a starter must’ve just started watching the Braves this season. He hit 251 with a 675 OPS in 430 ABs in 2008 and 186 with a 488 OPS in limited ABs last year. If Schafer and McClouth hadn’t both bombed this year, he likely spends the entire year in AAA. He was great for the short time he was up this year, but he’s hardly proven that he can be a good everyday ML player.
July 31st, 20105:20 pm
How can bloggers evaulate minor league talent?
Alaska Braves Fan
I was really dubious about McClouth right out of spring training, and we need someone else out there in CF. Still, if I have to choose between Ankiel and a combo of Melky and Gregor, I’ll go with the latter. I like the hustle you get with Melky and Gregor, and they both have surprisingly good arms. Their hitting is light but consistent, and Gregor has looked as though he will to hit for a much better average than in the last couple of years. I never have felt Farnsworth would help us, in 2005 or now, and I don’t care for what I could see of his attitude. He thinks well of himself, is my impression.
Overall, Frank may have done as well as he could. Most of the possibilities just kind of melted away over the last month. Still, this trade probably won’t help us much, if any. Please, please let me be wrong, wrong, wrong!
July 31st, 20105:21 pm
Ankiel gets on track, Fans will love him. The man can hit with power.
Like to know players reaction to trade.
Really not impressed with this trade. Glad we unloaded Chaves for Farnsworth; but Blanco for another banged up platoon player?
July 31st, 20105:22 pm
Ankiel 252 lifetime avg, 311 lifetime obp, whiffs about once every 4 PAs, and had one year w over 20 hrs (on the juice)
Let me get this straight….We got Farnswerth (really good reliever) and Ankiel (power potential) and we got them to take CHAVEZ??????
I wish we had gotten another power bat BUT you gotta admit that Wren did a good job on this one
July 31st, 20105:23 pm
here’s a link for the scouting on Wilkin Ramirez – the center field prospect
here’s a link to his career stats
LMAO. For those who think Blanco is awesome, I’m not sure why. We just got max value that we’ll ever get for him….an everyday OFer AND an everday RP. This is a GREAT deal for the Braves, I doubt we will see Blanco hitting over .290 for the rest of his career, and if he does, great for him…but I still will think we get the better end of this deal if Ankiel plays the defense we know he’s capable of AND hits .265, 20 HR, 85 RBIs over the next season.
carlchamblee, Ankiel has a career .453 slugging percentage and averaged a home run every 21.4 at-bats. That’s his value to this team.
July 31st, 20105:24 pm
Blanco will be missed….
Yeah. I feel like I need to reiterate. OUR STARTING CENTER FIELDER HAS 26 RBI’S. 26!!!!!!!!!! How can anyone think Ankiel is a risk? A risk? Will you all really miss that amazing, Ken Griffey Jr. type run producer, Melky, when Ankiel is in center?
July 31st, 20105:25 pm
If Ankiel falls on his face all we lost was a player that spend most of his time going back and to to AAA.
@Jordan, while i like the trade, Ankiel is not an everyday OF. He hasnt been able to hit lefties for awhile. However, if he is healthy, i think he will be a steal.
July 31st, 20105:26 pm
I like it. I’ll miss blanco but Wren did well to get them to bite on Chavez’s potential not performance. Best bullpen in baseball is better today. Cf is marginally better too.
Curious to know more about the kid from the tigers. Last time e got a kid we’d never heard of from the tigers it worked out pretty good…
In the late 50s, Kansas City was essentially a farm club for the Yankees. Maris was just one of the last of the players to be moved. There is even a book about the situation:
“The Kansas City A’s and the Wrong Half of the Yankees: How the Yankees Controlled Two of the Eight American League Franchises During the 1950s”
ace – i posted a link above about ten places on wilkin ramirez
July 31st, 20105:27 pm
OH, GOODIE!!!!!!!!!! ANOTHER HITTER THAT STRIKES OUT EVER OTHER AT BAT!!!! What a rally killer this guy will be along with all the other strikeout specialists the Braves have. He will fit right in on the swing and miss Troy Glaus crowd!!! I bet the Phillies are rolling on the floor laughing. THEY KNOW they can run off and hide in this division now that the Braves have done nothing too solve the bat problem them have. Farns is a positive IF, IF he continues too pitch up too the 2.52 ERA he has thus far this year. Ankle, yes ankle, will be hobbled by his inability to hit. I predict a .225-.238 ave as a Brave, maybe 4 to 7 HRs and 10-14 RBI the rest of the way. NOTHING Gained! Nothing.
Just read this comment in a similar section on Kansas City Star site, “At least Kyle and Rick should be happy to be back with a major league team.” Big Blue fans are brutal!
David -Milkey is hitting 298 since May 10th. Thats a fact.
Farnsworth will be a good addition but I can’t see giving up anything for Ankiel. I really hope that Wren thinks another career .250 hitter is what this team needed. And Ankiel plays a better center than Blanco? Has a higher OB%? What a joke. We gave up way too much for the return. We could have gotten Qualls for nothing if all we wanted a pitcher. I just don’t get it. Wren doesn’t seem to get creative on any deals. Some of the player movement over the last couple of days and the creativity of the deals makes me wonder where our GM has been.
Those of you that think Collins can’t pitch in the majors because he’s 5′7″? Ask Wagner, Oswalt, Cueto, etc their thoughts on short pitchers. He’s a relieve pitcher that throws 95+. Ability people.
And for all the people that continue to support the moves Wren has made, lets not forget this was the same man that offered the world for Peavy. The Padre’s nixed that deal. We’ll see of Ankiel gets us to the dance. Doubt it.
I don’t know about Ankiel and Farnsworth but I’m afraid pinkies and thumbs are going to do us in this year.
July 31st, 20105:28 pm
i hope the phillies laugh until Ankiel goes yard on them
i’d sure like to see ryan howard charge farnsworth
Why is everybody so high on Blanco all of a sudden? He’s a 4th OF at best, still I’m not sure about the trade. It’s a win now trade for sure but I would rather have gotten a right handed bat. Picking up Farnsworth is good I don’t see him pitching in key situations like in 05. He’s probably a 6th inning guy on this team. I hate to see Collins go, saw him pitch in AA the other night and he was flat out nasty.
I can’t believe DOB puts down Tim Collins by calling him “undersized”. I guess I didn’t know you need to be 7′ tall and 300# to get people out. This trade is bad news. If Ankiel is a “power bat”, then DOB is Grantland Rice. Power bat? POWER BAT? My God.
Farnsworth has a fastball and that is all. He is a thrower, not a pitcher. He has pretty much disappointed everywhere he’s been.
The key to this trade was the Royals getting Collins, a wunderkind who we shall hear from again, traded for two mediocre guys who have no future with this ballclub. Lousy trade.
not really – but wow – that’d be like a heavy weight mma fight
July 31st, 20105:29 pm
Good trade. Farnsworth helps make us the best bullpen in the league now. Ankiel is not a superstar, but apparently too much was being asked for to get a Corey Hart or Josh Willingham. Ankiel is better than McLouth or Melky, and Farnsworth is about 10 times better than Chavez. Plus we got cash. Plus the options next year are good ones if we want to exercise them. I like Tim Collins’s numbers, but it’s hard to get upset about a guy I didn’t even know two weeks ago. Thank goodness we didn’t trade away Medlen, Vizcaino, or someone similar for a two-month rental.
Good job, Frank Wren.
July 31st, 20105:30 pm
Keep seeking truth, truthseeker. Value? A hacker who doesn’t get on base and very occasionally between strikeouts manages to connect? A proven cheat whose numbers have been downward post steroid era?
When this team has succeeded this year its because they value good smart at bats and manufacturing runs. Blanco was fitting in nicely and played very well during the Braves hottest run this season. THAT was proven value. Not sitting around waiting for a hacker to hit one out.
ExBraves Fan – Good riddance. Don’t let the door hit you in the rear on the way out.
July 31st, 20105:31 pm
@ExBravesfan, im glad you put ex next to your name. If you are that negative then go run and hide. How can you not expect Farnsworth to continue his great numbers, he pitched awesome for the braves the first time around except in the playoffs.
Ankiel when is healthy is a 20 hr guy and good defense. He just came off the DL and is now batting .400.
Once he starts hitting, keep the Ex next to your name, we dont need fair weather braves fans like that.
Marc in FL
In this new era of baseball HR numbers are a secondary stat. Fundamental players will be the high commodity. Blanco was worth more than Ankeil.
Negative Nancies- we gave up NOTHING in this trade. Why are you whining. This team is better than it was 2 hours ago.
July 31st, 20105:33 pm
DOB – what are the scouts telling you about the Ramirez kid?
It’s hard to see how McClouth might fit in with Ankiel on the roster. He’s making to much money to stay in the minors. They are not going to keep him there. Maybe Hinskie takes over at 1b against righties, while Glaus sits. Diaz needs to play more, so does Omar.
July 31st, 20105:34 pm
Clint – Collins is now dismissed and called undersized because when a player leaves the Braves they must be ripped apart to justify these shaky trades. The directive comes from the Braves front office and the lapdog media and uninformed fans oblige.
July 31st, 20105:35 pm
I wanted us to sign Ankiel this past offseason, I thought he could be a solid platoon guy and a decent insurance policy in case Heyward struggled but now it really is hard to get excited about this deal, I was really liking the numbers Collins was putting up. I think Ankiel could be good and probably will be decent but it would have been nice to get a guy who was having a dynamite season that could come in and give us some energy. I do think both guys will fit in with the clubhouse perfectly, but if we were gonna get a third tier outfielder I wish we woulda pushed a little harder for Jim Edmonds he probably would have cost us significantly less.
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