3:06 pm July 30, 2010, by David O'Brien
July 30th, 20105:41 pm
Here’s an idea for a fun game.
Let’s take turns proposing the most ridiculous trades imaginable.
Oh wait . . . .
July 30th, 20105:42 pm
how about derek lee. didn’t he just refuse a trade somewhere?
snotbooggie-Absolutley. I really think most of those sitting here advocating trading Minor, Teheran, DelGado, Vizcaino, et al are the same ones still griping that we traded Wainwright.
It’s all about the postseason 2010
not to real baseball lovers it ain’t ALL about the postseason. mostly just to folks who tie their self concept to their sports teams
Rob From SC...Chipper's new BFF, Please call up Freddie Freeman, Craig Kimbrel, and Mike Minor...Lowe to the bullpen
I hate the Yankees but you have to respect their desire to win…
I never wanted a salary cap but I do now
Does it bother anyone else that the Nats are making these trades after the Braves leave town and just before the Phils come in. Also how are the Rangers making these moves when they are bankrupt.
July 30th, 20105:43 pm
Agreed. If Cody Ross is the best you can do, better to hand on to your prospects and see what might come in August or even September. It’s just not worth it. The guy is just plain old average and I like the way Blanco has been playing anyways.
amicusterrae, I’ll take Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron for a bag of peanuts. Your turn
Why not Blanco for centerfield? Lets not wait till next year and give him the job.We did that with Matin Prado and look at him now.The man has quickness and can get on base.What are we waiting for????????
It doesn’t matter who the Braves get or don’t get. At the end of the day, the moves or lack there of, will be criticized for years on the blog. I want the team to get better just as much as the rest of you, but there really is no move good enough for some of you.
Brian from SC
even last year Diaz hit 759 against RHed pitchers. not all that great, though admittedly better than most everybody this year
This is one of those things people just pull out of the rear end with no basis in fact. Prado, Infante, Heyward, Conrad, McCann, Hinske, and Jones all have a better than .759 OPS against righties this year.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
July 30th, 20105:44 pm
Whenever we need the big hit, Hell, we got Conrad!
I’d rather keep the prospects than gamble on leftovers that nobody wants.
I’m all for getting this one for Bobby, but not at the future’s expense.
noleeee- I feel the same way.
I would like to see the Braves add ELLSBURY and DOWNS, then make one more move to get LaROCHE to “platoon” GLAUS (It wouldn’t take much to get LaRoche)
They are saying that the Red Sox want bullpen help from the Braves which adds even more smoke to the fire when you consider the Braves are looking around for MORE Relief help
if that can’t happen, I would like to see Bautista AND Downs come in
What I ment was. Don’t you play more games in your home ballpark than anywhere else? The guy has a .400 average against the Phillies this year.
Maybe the best thing to happen to the Braves would be for them to lose tonight, and the Phillies to win, so that we’re only 1.5 up and the Braves would definitely go into panic mode then and trade for a good player.
I wish we could have traded Chipper Jones while he still had value, so we could have got a really good, young player in return. BravesFan2010
Now your name makes a little more sense to me. You are a Braves fan only since 2010.
Or you were born in 2010 and learnt to spell really really fast.
July 30th, 20105:45 pm
“yeah it has helped so much since Escobrat got traded. very important, no doubt ” — Gonzalez’s .277 average with really solid defense is not the reason why they’ve been losing of late.
The Rangers have picked up LEE, CANTU, and GUZMAN
how can a team in bankruptcy do this and the Braves can’t???????????
I would rather see the Braves get someone like Young with power potential than someone like Ellsbury who has none.
PDOG- Going out on a limb here -What the Braves think of the timing of the Nats moves likely doesn’t mean sh!t to a tree.
I don’t know, the more Wren “panic’s” the more likely he would be to include a top prospect in a deal for someone that isn’t worth it
@BravesFan2010: I don’t want to see the Braves bleed out their farm system for a rental though…
July 30th, 20105:46 pm
The Rangers are making all these trades because they’re owned by MLB and MLB is loaded with money.
And think about this: if what they’re saying is true and that there are “multiple teams” after Cody Ross, than you know the Marlins will get the best they can out of the bunch. That makes that idea even sound worse than first glance. That whole thing looks bad all around.
Thank God they’re now saying they aren’t trading him. Hopefully it stays that way.
July 30th, 20105:47 pm
I’d like to get Frenchie back. Forget that he’ll be nontendered at the end of the year. Got a feelin’. How about Minor and Freeman? Don’t make me throw in Venters.
@kerryb: the problem with a power potential is that we have plenty of people with power potential. I’d rather have someone that has speed at the top of the batting order, someone who can steal and have someone single him in. That’s all the middle of our lineup, the ‘power potential’ is capable of right now.
Jon, I’m ok with getting rid of our farm system. We should do what the Yankees do and not rely on our farm system, just go out and buy whoever we need to get.
Yeah-Blanco is the answer – both now and in the future. OK.
Nat’s GM still asking too much for DUNN….LOL you would think he would have learned his lesson with that with Soriano
Oh, DOB please no more vacation.We have had a losing record with you gone this last break.No More Time Off!!!
We don’t need Wren to make a trade like Minaya made for the Expos: Cliff Lee, brandon Phillips, Grady sizemore for…..BIG FAT BARTOLO COLON
Braves looking hardest on Ross…
Like my wife always tells me when another beautiful woman walks by: “You can look all you want, it’s the touching that’ll get you in trouble.” I hope Wren was nearby and heard her. Just say no to Ross, Braves.
July 30th, 20105:48 pm
Plus the better the Rangers are, the more money the team will sell for. MLB and the BK judges had to approve any additional monies being spent, and it’s in their best interest. At least Liberty Media may make some off of it with the revenue sharing…
Braves have power if they construct their lineup to maximize the power. Problem is Chipper Jones is hitting in the 3rd spot and Glaus is currently struggling. Young makes no sense and has no power away from AZ. Stop with the Young desires. They make no sense.
I’ve been hearing people talk about how our farm system is loaded forever. It doesn’t seem to have gotten us anywhere.
@BravesFan2010: The problem with that is we don’t have an owner who wants to put in the kind of money that the Steinbrenners have put into the Yanks for the last 20+ years.
MLBTradeRumors is reporting that ROSS WILL NOT BE TRADED as of 3:39 pm
July 30th, 20105:49 pm
“And this is why the Yankees win championships and others, like the Braves, come up short. Their management is willing to spend money and ours is not”
Have you watched a game on TV that is in Yankee Stadium? For one it’s full EVERY night. Secondly, if 20,000 season ticket holders gave up their tickets, they wouldn’t last much more than a week and they’d be gone.
The Braves can’t even sell out playoff games. Why do you think Ted opened up his checkbook? Because he liked losing money? No because he liked making money as much as he wanted to win.
If the Braves go trade for guys that add 20 million in payroll for the rest of the year, not a chance in hell they make that money back in between now and October.
Add to that, the Yankees own their own station and people actually WANT to tune in to watch the games. Why did TBS stop airing Braves baseball? Not because they had it out for Braves fans around the globe. But because Seinfeld and Everybody Loves Raymond reruns drew a higher rating.
I seriously doubt that ANY of you guys whining about the payroll have ever managed, much less owned your own business. Besides, the two highest paid guys on the team are arguably the two least important to their respective units (one is in the rotation, the other in the starting lineup). So, adding payroll isn’t necessarily the most important thing.
Adding players that can actually play is.
The biggest problem with farm systems is that it’s full of PROSPECTS. Look at Wainwright. The Braves thought that he’d be just a decent guy at the major leagues. You guess on every single person and you can’t tell whether his work ethic and talent level will cut it in the major leagues. it’s a gamble and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
July 30th, 20105:50 pm
kerryb we need speed at the top of the order just as bad as we do a power bat. look at what nyjer morgan does for the nats and then tell me speed isnt important
When another woman walks by, my wife always says: “Must be jelly, ’cause jam don’t shake like that.”
It’s all a moot point. The Braves won’t take on big salary. They can’t. Ted Turner isn’t running the team anymore. I know the attendance is good down there but it’s not like up here where we’re close to 90 straight sellouts. It’s all about revenue. As a Phillies fan, I admit that the Phils can buy some plays (Well, Houston is paying for Oswalt).
N8, maybe the Braves should own their own station too. I’m sure plenty of people would watch, dont you think ?
Uh, there’s no one else existing in all of Baseball ownership willing to put the money into a team that Steinbrenner put into the Yankees the past 20 years. Not many people have that much money to begin with.
July 30th, 20105:51 pm
Why cant Braves be like everyone else and make some deals
Because Wren can’t just go out and get the best available player that fits into our payroll.. They have to be “Bobby Cox” type players. Translation: Appeasing Cox is more important than winning the damn thing.
Which is why I’ll be ecstatic once Cox hits the mosey trail.
Lew, what do you think of Cody Ross? I ask because that’s the main name linked to the Braves and I’d like to know your opinion.
@Idiot Wind: You win.
Maybe Wren is waiting until everyone fills their holes and then with no teams left to negotiate against the price becomes pretty affordable for whats left lol
in fact. Prado, Infante, Heyward, Conrad, McCann, Hinske, and Jones all have a better than .759 OPS against righties this year. Brian SC
FU. I’m not in the habit of pulling anything out of my aZZ, dude,it’s about context . we were talking about OFers that are not performing. ie Melky and Nate
berkman is obviously a great pickup by the yanks. adding offensive fire power is great. but the blown Lee trade a few weeks ago is the bigger story. they’ll get him next season. but for 2010 the Yankes are extremely volunerable in a best of 5.
Ellsbury makes no sense either. Low batting average and does’nt get on base enough.
July 30th, 20105:52 pm
Frank Wren – Some advice from Merle…
Well, first thing is you gotta keep pace with it. If you can’t run as fast as the train, it’s never going to happen. Also, keep your eyes in front of you. A lot of people just look at where they’re jumping, and that’s how accidents happen. One time I was trying to get on a train and I hit one of those railroad switches. It knocked me hard, sent me tumbling through the air backwards. It should’ve killed me, but I got up without a scratch – Merle Haggard
@McLeeeeeeeeeew: If you were reading my comment about the Steinbrenners, that was my main point. You draw a better point than I do though.
Well the Nats sell out every game Strasburg pitches. How come the Braves don’t sell out every game Heyward plays ?
R.E.M.’s “These Days” playing on stadium P.A. during Braves batting practice. How cool is that? Now Van Morrison “Jackie Wilson Said”….
You guess on every single person and you can’t tell whether his work ethic and talent level will cut it in the major leagues. it’s a gamble and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
yep. Like the great Crash Davis once said: Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. And sometimes it rains.
July 30th, 20105:53 pm
Anyone else think Ken Rosenthal is annoying?
He tweeted that Berkman approved a peotential Yankees deal, then said it’ll be 24 hours before any deal is announced because Berkman has full 10 and 5 rights to veto.
DOB earlier today i asked you to givr us some rumors to stew about and now i wish you hadnt. Now i am all worked up over ellsbury and it will probably never happen.
July 30th, 20105:54 pm
TnBrian-He’s better than McLouth. Has about as much power as Melky. Getting him would be a making a trade.
@kerryb: the problem with the average this year is because it’s not a true test of his value. Being injured, playing through an injury and then going on the DL shows you that the guy would rather play baseball than sit down. He hurts his BA and his team so he has to sit down. That’s what Jason Heyward did. Don’t tell me that just because Jason Heyward was hitting .250 that means that he’s having a bad season and he doesn’t deserve the all-star label that we all think he should be.
Yeah. Ellsbury makes no sense. His low career batting average of .295 and crappy career OBP (.347) just isn’t good enough for your Atlanta Braves.
Im the guy that teaches your wife those sayings in the afternoon(while ur at work)
Gonzalez’s .277 average with really solid defense is not the reason why they’ve been losing of late joemo
gee that went right over your head. Escobrat was claimed to be a cancer that caused the Braves to lose and Gonzo was supposed to be the cure. not !
Ellsbury. .250 hitter with a .267 OBP. Not very impressive. Don’t kn ow why some are loving on him so much.
“We should do what the Yankees do and not rely on our farm system” — Actually the Yankees have relied on their farm system quite a bit. Gardner, Jeter, Posada, Cano, Pettite, Rivera, Hughes, and Chamberlain all came up in the organization. McCann, Prado, Chipper, Heyward, Hanson, Moylan, and Medlen are farm talents of the Braves. So actually, the Yankees have more “homegrown” talent than the Braves do. They just supplement it with 22 million dollar per year 1B vs 1.5 million per year 1B.
Well the Nats sell out every game Strasburg pitches. How come the Braves don’t sell out every game Heyward plays ?
One a position player, One a pitcher. Its a little easier to clear your schedule for one home game every other week than every game.
July 30th, 20105:55 pm
Ellsbury career .300 average, .350 on base, .400 slugging, and 85% SB. How is that not getting on base or hitting for a high average? And if you include stolen bases in a guys slugging %, you get a pretty nice number there as well. Braves don’t have a leadoff guy and can move Heyward and Prado down in the order to drive in Ellsbury.
Andrew in PA
jaysonst: #Braves still look like team in hardest on Cody Ross. But sources in touch w Braves believe they’re “highly unlikely” to deal by Sat #trades [via Twitter]
Braves need to do better then ross,i guess its ross or nothing dude has 7 home runs
Chop Chop: Can you restate your comment? I think you just said that .295 BA is low.
“Ellsbury. .250 hitter with a .267 OBP. Not very impressive. Don’t kn ow why some are loving on him so much.” — Uhm, in 9 games, and 3 of those he was hurt in. I don’t think he’s the next Rickey Henderson, but he could be a decent add if the price is right.
I dont understand when a guy with 9 HRs in 378 ADs qualified as a “big bat”. Cody Ross is not the answer. If the Braves want Cody Ross, tell them to look on the bench, his name is Matt Diaz, and he can play LF with Melky in CF. If Cody Ross is the best we can do to “bolster our line-up”, I’d rather them just not do anything.
Uh, I think he was being sarcastic about Heyward.
July 30th, 20105:56 pm
MLB Network says Berkman will not be traded to the Yankees until Saturday.
Jon – Pay no attention. My sarcasm gene has kicked in this afternoon after being confronted with all of this rampant insight into the inner workings of baseball. Nothing personal.
I can’t restate it, Jon. That would be too fair to the people that took it seriously the first time.
July 30th, 20105:57 pm
@McLeeeeeeeeeeew: Just had to confirm it. Can’t tell the difference between idiots and sarcasm on this blog
If its Ross, I hope he is on an undetectable steroid.
July 30th, 20105:58 pm
@Chop Chop: You win. I lol’d.
“Berkman approved a possible deal to the Yanks earlier today, according to Rosenthal Rosenthal points out that Berkman has 24 hours to approve a deal, thanks to his ten and five rights. That means we won’t likely hear an official announcement today.”
Lew, quick and to the point. I like it, but I don’t want this guy on our team if it means trading anybody worth a dang.
I would rather get Ellsbury than Ross. Ellsbury doesn’t have quite as much power but he’s very fast, and we could use some speed on this team. He also is a .300 hitter.
And if you include stolen bases in a guys slugging %, you get a pretty nice numbe MF
course you’d also be a total blooming idiot, but whatever
Ok Mr Turnip . You are insane man. Justin Smoak stinks. Texas got the better of the deal.. and The Yankees are acquiring Berkman. Its Pretty Pathetic we have a GM that wont do a thing to improve this club. Its time again for FW and BC to go. Bravo to Frank Wren for sitting on his butt and doin zip. You can kiss the Playoffs and WC goodbye.. but this all goes back to the Pathetic Ownership of Liberty Media… Less than 24 hrs the deadline will pass. The Phillies Rangers and Yankees have now just bolstered there rosters and what have the Braves Done. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING..
July 30th, 20105:59 pm
Twitter has made this year’s trade deadline reporting even more comically inept than usual.
“R.E.M.’s “These Days” playing on stadium P.A. during Braves batting practice. How cool is that?” DOB
Uh…. I would imagine that if you like R.E.M., then it’s probably pretty cool. If you don’t like R.E.M., then I would imagine that is’ probably really annoying. (you asked)
I’d rather have Ells than Ross too
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 30th, 20106:00 pm
Bat M. Now batting for your Atlanta Braves : Brian McCann
Hey, have any of the “locals” on here gotten their August ChopTalk yet? (If so, please don’t give me any hints about what’s in it. ) Still haven’t gotten mine yet…
REM puts my to sleep and gives me nightmares
July 30th, 20106:01 pm
To anyone who really cares: Look at the power potential we have on our team and tell me if we really need more power potential in our lineup. Look, we all think that Brian McCann has a better power potential than Alex Gonzalez but look at the home runs and tell me differently. I don’t think that our problem is power. I think we need some guy at the top of the lineup to compliment Martin Prado. If it is truly Ellsbury, I would love that over a power bat in the outfield anyday.
besides being a .300 hitter ellsbury had 70 stolen bases last year and 50 the year before. I would like to take a chance on this guy
What would be much “cooler” DOB, is if they played the song titled….
“The Braves have called up Freddie Freeman”
That song would become an instant classic.
The new Braves motto for October:
Don’t go big, and then go home
Look, we all think that Brian McCann has a better power potential than Alex Gonzalez but look at the home runs and tell me differently. jon
July 30th, 20106:02 pm
Isnt REM sleep supposed to relax you?
July 30th, 20106:03 pm
Whats wrong with stolen base % being added to slugging? Obviously it’d take some sort of math conversion and its unorthodox sure, but if a guy singles and steals 2nd, its similar to a double and with Prado and Heyward hitting behind him, a single scores Ellsbury, and its just like he led off with a double.
I just have to laugh at Wren if he thinks the team we currently have is good enough to beat a team like the Yankees, Rangers, or Rays in the World Series.
I’d love to have Ellsbury and Prado at the beginning of our lineup, then Heyward batting 3rd.
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