12:37 pm July 29, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
July 29th, 20102:40 pm
Braves need to make a move not because of the PhIlles getting but because even before the philles got him the Braves offense straggle
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 29th, 20102:41 pm
CraZyTRaDeMan Its time to trade all players except for Heyward, Prado and Hanson.
Could we at least keep Timmy, too?
Hey Teheran got called up to AA. Awesome
July 29th, 20102:42 pm
And McCann? McFann, I can’t believe you didn’t question that :
“The case of Esco shows that baseball is very much a mental game (just like golf), not only mechanics etc.”
It is a game that requires focus and that was not Yunel’s strength as a Brave. If he develops that skill down the line, more power to him. Right now, all of these comments about him remind me of how a few folks always mention it when Francoeur is in one of his hot streaks. A friend of mine was talking up the Alex Rios acquisition as a masterstroke the other day and I had to point out to him that it’s great as long as you ignore his .530 OPS for Chicago last year. Baseball is a game of consistency, not mercurial highlights.
July 29th, 20102:43 pm
Can we keep Chavez as well?
McFann :Ô: :Ô: NO, ALL IS LOST TRADE EM ALL EVEN HEYWARD PRADO AND HAMSON
July 29th, 20102:44 pm
Great job filling in, Carroll!!!
I’m sorry…I was just messin’ around. Boring ol’ rain delays, you know…
not sure who HAMSON is but, trade him too!!
6 of the last 12 games of the year are against philly. They will have all the bullets in their lineup by that time…the Braves WILL NOT win the division
I would imagine FW is back in Atlanta working the phones. I could be wrong, though.
Your wrong Frank is not that smart! He will not be proactive. He is an idiot. The Phillies have made there move. We should have already made ours as well!!! Come on how long does it take to make a trade. Ridiculous!!! Doesn’t matter who we get or what we give up for him just as long as a trade is made!!!
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July 29th, 2010
Man, I miss Braves playoff games…
So what was your favorite part of getting embarrassed by inferior teams in front of a national audience?
Exhibit A on why you are not liked…
Carroll or DOB do you have an idea why the ruling on Jonny Venters suspension has not come in.Could it mean the longer that MLB take that maybe they will cancel the suspension?
July 29th, 20102:45 pm
Let’s go for it…we oughta get a nice hitter in exchange for all these scrubs.
Apparently the first-place team is chasing the second-place team. Didn’t know it worked like that.
They said the other day it usually takes 2-4 days for a final ruling…should be hearing soon
July 29th, 20102:46 pm
“Your wrong Frank is not that smart! He will not be proactive. He is an idiot. The Phillies have made there move. ”
I love these four sentences in combination.
So if we did get a big bat…..would Chipper move from the 3 hole? I’d like our line-up to resemble a big league club again. Speed up top, Prado #2 for contact and some power #3.
GoneViral, I agree with you – I am not saying that Escobar is focused enough and has matured enough – but it is still a mental game and apparantly both he and the Braves could not help him out in this respect – you cannot put it all on Escobar…
BTW: I would never compare this to what happened to Frenchy…
Can lowe just get traded already?
July 29th, 20102:47 pm
I would say when we lost to the Cubs in the NLDS and that fan got tackled running onto the field. The whole crowd made paper airplanes out of the “Go Braves” signs they gave out and threw them on the field.
Oh, you weren’t really asking and were just being a douche again? Gotcha.
Rob From SC...Chipper's new BFF (3 Game Streak)
How did the Phillies get HAlladay and Oswalt without giving up Brown
“Apparently the first-place team is chasing the second-place team. Didn’t know it worked like that”
I love that a move by the Phillies that I would describe as panic fire has people this paranoid.
Yes this deadline is about the Braves offensive struggles. Owsalt makes the Phillies better no doubt, but have you seen their bullpen? Lidge hasn’t been Lidge since they won the World Series.
No no this deadline is about acquiring offensive depth to an offense that hasn’t hit the ball consistently in a long time. Gonzalez was nice, but we need more.
July 29th, 20102:48 pm
Gone Viral- How about “YOUR wrong” and “made THERE move”? And he says Wren isn’t that smart?
July 29th, 20102:49 pm
Fols So if we did get a big bat…..would Chipper move from the 3 hole?
If we got a big enough bat, I say move BMac from the 4th hole into the 5 spot.
There’s a better chance of that happening than Chipper getting moved, I would say…
July 29th, 20102:50 pm
Nick- please take your foul mouth and bitter attitude elsewhere.
I really like Jose Bautista. Good outfielder, good arm, awesome right handed power. Now that the Phillies have made a big move, it kinda forces Braves hand to make a good move.
Give them whatever player is not named Craig Kimbrel, Julio Teheran, Mike Minor, Freddy Freeman, or Randall Delgado.
Brandon Beachy, Mike Dunn, Lee Hyde, Stephen Marek, Chris Resop, have to have some trade value, and maybe be enough to land Bautista.
Copenhagen- Yunel was given chance after chance after chance….everyone else can handle the mental aspect of the game, he couldn’t. It is ALL on Yunel.
July 29th, 20102:51 pm
there’s a creepy whistling when the wind blows against the press box windows
Boooo! The ghost of Yunel strikes again.
How about “YOUR wrong” and “made THERE move”? And he says Wren isn’t that smart?
That’s what makes the rant so realistic and funny. Imitation is the best form of satire.
Sure we haven’t played great since the break. But we’ve played good baseball, other than game 1 the other night.
Brian McCann was tearing up the Marlins in that first game loss. We should have won game 3. So, we hit a patch where our pitching and defense haven’t been first place caliber. We will be right back at it by next week.
We might be tied for first by then, but the Phillies lost four in a row before they went on their tear against Colorado and Arizona.
If anything, management will wise up realizing they don’t want to throw away this golden opportunity. Remeber how the Braves played in the final month and a half last year? (Minus the last 6 game.)
July 29th, 20102:52 pm
McFann…your probably right. I just have a hard time seeing the top of our order drive in runs as long as Chipper is batting 3rd.
Love what he’s done in the past but the Braves need to move on and have him somewhere else in that lineup.
I can never remember but what happens if a game is *canceled* in the 5th inning or later? Does the leader automatically get the win?
“BTW: I would never compare this to what happened to Frenchy…”
I think that there are similarities, but Frenchy gets by (if you can call what he does getting by) solely on talent. Escobar has more than skill. What he lacks is reliability. I understand why so many people intoxicated by his talent, but I know from my experiences as a small business owner that I would much prefer someone who is 100% reliable over someone who is more talented but much less reliable. Talent without the motivation to implement it fully is not enough. I like Yunel and my heart bleeds for him for the life he has had to live. I hope he finds that focus and maturity one day, but he had tuned out the Braves and he needed to go.
Seem like we are trying to get hart
July 29th, 20102:53 pm
southern hope yes
seriously Lowe, you’re constantly pitching 5-6 innings per start why can’t you at least give up fewer runs in the short amount of time you’re actually pitching?
McFann Just trying to find out what all these Negative Nancies feel like when there on the bitter bus.
It’s quite a bumpy ride. I don’t like it!
July 29th, 2010
Seem like we are trying to get hart
where did you see this
Teams don’t just trade players, they trade contracts. No team was likely to give up a top prospect if they were going to have to pay Halladay and Oswalt. That’s the trade-off. A team trades potential that is under team control for longer and/or cheaper for an established player who is much more expensive and may also be under team control for a lot fewer years. Now more than ever organizations realize that a Heyward or a Brown or a Strasburg or a Mike Stanton are about as valuable a commodity as you can get–players who are very likely to become at least solid major leaguers if not superstars who are under contract for a long time at a low price for what they are likely to contribute. Organizations now realize more than they have in the past that you don’t easily part with such players.
July 29th, 20102:54 pm
So Inception opens up today over here. Maybe I should go see it instead of wasting my evening watching the blue “this game is in a rain delay” sign on MLB.TV… Is this movie really that good? Also if you didn’t go nuts over the Matrix as everybody else did?
CR- Is it still raining?
from espn mlb chat.
[Comment From jared jared : ]
would the braves be able to get adam dunn for mike minor, troy glaus, and a b/c class prospect? (would love his power bat in our lineup)
Thursday July 29, 2010 2:48 jared
Jason A. Churchill — MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central:
Not sure that would get it done, though I am also not sure it makes sense for Atlanta, either. Dunn is a FA at season’s end, and giving up Minor for two months of Dunn seems too shortsighted a move for Frank Wren’s taste. Might be able to get Hart for a package including Minor. Hart is signed through 2011
Do the Nats have anybody we can leave town with who can help us
Actually, I was really asking. What made you think I wasn’t really asking?
As much as I’m dying to see the Braves make the playoffs, I’d rather them not make it than see them get embarrassed again.
I’m not sure why I’m the douche in this case. You would think it would be Bobby Cox.
Not one source has mentioned Hart, what makes you say that?
July 29th, 20102:56 pm
Tomas you must be joking… no team is going to give us a big bat off their team for our second tier prospects…. unless you are the phillies, and can give up two mediocre prospects and an injured pitcher for an ace
its official oswalt goin to philly
Not About Oswalt
Agreed here. Oswalt isn’t the key for what the Braves need to do.
Braves need a bat. They might see Oswalt 2 times before the season is over. Doesn’t matter who is on the mound, if the Braves don’t score more runs than the opposition, they will lose. There will be 50 plus games that the Braves play that won’t have someone named Oswalt on the mound. On the other hand, the Phillies will probably win more games based on the fact that they DO have someone named Oswalt on the mound. In that respect it’s important that the Braves have another bat to help score some runs to insure more close wins than close losses because of the lack of a bat.
“Is this movie really that good?”
Well, I loved The Matrix so keep that in mind going in, but I thought Inception was wonderful. My sole caveat is that if you do not like films that explain themselves constantly, it probably won’t be for you. If you’ve seen Primer (and statistically speaking, you probably have not), it’s a lot like that, only as a big budget blockbuster.
i want to see the Braves in the playoffs. I would much rather them make it there and get swept than I would see them not make it.
Well put, GoneViral.
Inception is the Matrix…just replace ‘whoa’ with Leo.
Cool movie, cool idea, cool effects…minimal story given or it would lose the average viewer and as close to ZERO character backgrounds as you could possibly put in a movie.
It was just a visual.
July 29th, 20102:57 pm
Oswalt to Phils. Confirmed
Shaun @ 2:36
From the last blog from buttermaker: “Just a question for the RBI debate. If a player comes up in a sac fly situation and is able to work a pitcher and get a ball lifted to the outfield and another player can’t,doesn’t that say that one player did his job better than the other?”
a) One inferior hitter could get a lot more opportunities to get sac-fly RBI’s than another superior hitter.
b) An inferior hitter with certain a certain skill-set may have a better chance to hit a sac fly than a better hitter. Basically a free-swinger who is not very good overall and who overall cost the team runs may have a better chance to drive in runs via sac flies and such than a better overall hitter.
Since Shaun does not answer buttermaker’s question, I will:
Yes buttermaker, it does. In that particular at – bat. In that particular game situation.
That is why a player who produces in that situation receives a hearty congratulations from his teammates when he returns to the dugout after his productive out.
The players don’t ignore that RBI.
dylan someone early in here posted from posted from espn insider.I forgot the person name who posted in here.Anyway the post was from 1:25 saying that we might try to get Hart
Well put, GoneViral – as to Escobar – not the movie…
July 29th, 20102:58 pm
It seems that just a few days ago one of the baseball columnists at ESPN (Jayson Stark) wrote that the Astros were looking for a big haul in any Oswalt deal:
Clubs the Astros have spoken with say Houston is looking for four players in return — one player who is either on the major league roster or is major league ready; two “high-end” prospects; and one second-tier prospect.
From the proposed deal that I’ve been reading about it seems that the Astros came up well short of this scenario. Personally, I’m not overly concerned about Oswalt. Yes, he does improve the starting rotation but not enough, IMHO, to offset the holes the Phillies have in their bullpen.
It seems kind of bleak now how the Phillies have made up ground in the division this week but it’s no big deal. The Braves bats will come around and outside of a occasional hiccup, the Braves starters are very solid and you can’t forget about the Braves bench which has been nothing short of amazing this season.
I know, I’m preaching to the choir. I just mainly thought that it was interesting how far the Astros trade demands decreased, and that’s taking into account that the price for a player always drops the closer to the trade deadline. Maybe the Phillies should wait another 40 hours or so and the Astros will have thrown in Lance Berkman as a bonus.
mitchell- the reason Bobby’s not the douche in this case is that he would probably call you that to your face, not on a blog.
Chipper does get on base fairly often, though.
Haha, a bumpy ride, indeed!
Mitchell, I would rather see them make the playoffs and lose in the first round than not make the playoffs. Nothing all that embarrassing about losing a best-of-5 series to any team that wins somewhere close to 90 games or more.
July 29th, 20102:59 pm
I’d even trade Kris Medlen.
Kris Medlen, and another prospect for Jose Bautista……….Call up Mike Minor……In the off season trade Derek Lowe for prospects, Braves have to eat some money. With all the pitching the Braves have in the minors they could definitely upgrade over Derek Lowe.
Send Kenshin Kawakami, Jesse Chavez, and Nate Mclouth to AAA. When somebody gets injured or something and they’re playing well call them up.
could we please stop talking about escobar! the trade is done and over he is gone! get over it!
Nova Scotia Steve
The Hart talk is pure speculation from a reporter/write.
No weight to it what-so-ever.
Shaun, i’ll forgive your stupid comment since you apparently haven’t been paying attention to what has happened in the past week. If you aren’t concerned, you either don’t know anything about baseball, or you are one of these “homer” fans who think the team is incapable of doing anything wrong.
July 29th, 20103:00 pm
Might be able to get Hart for a package including Minor. Hart is signed through 2011
You went from that ^ to Seem like we are trying to get hart.
Quite the jump there.
I realize I may get flamed by some but I’m not for making a move just for the sake of making a move because Philly did. It’s easy to say the Braves could use a RH power bat and a RP but at the expense of what? Minor for Hart or Willingham and we’d be getting ripped off. What bat is out there that we absolutely have to have? I like them both but they aren’t worth their asking prices right now, and some still harp about the Drew and Tex trades but want to give up a pretty good prospect for far less than Drew or Tex. Especiallly when Philly apparently didn’t give up anything of real value (no Brown, Singleton) to get probably the best player traded at the deadline. I’m ok with giving up one or two of our minor league pitchers but I’d want a better return than anyone currently being discussed now.
It is really sad there are people on this blog saying the season is over and trade everyone, I never would have thought a first place teams fans would be crying and bitching about every little thing. Well at least it shows who the true fans are and who aren’t.
July 29th, 20103:01 pm
im just glad Oswalt isnt a lefty… this team struggles agianst lefties and if the Phils could throw 2 lefties and Halladay against us that would be rough
Snotboogie .. I hope you know I’m not serious. I’m just making fun of all the doomsday people here. I hit submit before I checked back sorry Mr perfect. It’s a effen blog!
Agreed, no more Escobar!
I also agree Chipper is getting on….but lets be honest….3rd spot in the order is about driving them in. Looks like he’s just taking the walks because he can’t drive the ball anymore. So he passes it off. I want a 3 hitter that can take care of it himself.
I know the Yankees are probably not interested but I would love to see Lowe traded to the Yankees for Vasquez with the Braves eating the difference between Lowe’s $15mill contract and Vasquez $11.5 mill contract for the next 2 years. If you are going to pay $15 mill anyway, at least give it to a guy who will go past the 5th inning. Both need a change of scenery. Lowe 10-8 record with a 4.48 era. Vazquez 9-7 record and 4.54 era. Lowe would be rejuvenated pitching in division against his old team the Red Sox and Vasquez gets to return to site of his best success in 5 years.
July 29th, 20103:02 pm
I found the post from early today
Brave4life-1995 all over again??
July 29th, 2010
With the Philadelphia Phillies reportedly completing a deal for Roy Oswalt Thursday, and Oswalt expected to OK the trade, the Atlanta Braves are on the spot. They’ve been looking for a center fielder without much luck at this stage and to stay one step ahead of the Phillies, a move might be necessary.
It doesn’t appear they have any interest in acquiring Adam Dunn or Prince Fielder, but they have shown interest in outfielders Corey Hart and Josh Willingham. We’re not sure whether Washington is willing to move Willingham, but the Brewers would like to trade Hart in a sell-high scenario.
The Braves also could look into infield insurance in case Chipper Jones is unable to stave off another visit to the disabled list, and adding to the rotation is never a bad thing, but we haven’t heard the Braves mention on the trade market for starting pitching.
Actually, I was really asking. What made you think I wasn’t really asking?
I’m not sure why I’m the douche in this case. You would think it would be Bobby Cox.
So you would rather be cut from the high school baseball team than make the team and strike out in a big spot? That explains a lot.
July 29th, 20103:03 pm
Could we please stop talking about escobar! the trade is done and over he is gone! get over it!
- I am over it – but the new article is just a few hours old and goes to show how clubs deal with young players from abroad that need to adapt, mature, evolve etc. You want the Braves to be one of the best clubs in this respect, also in the future (notwithstanding Escobar)…
Mcfann Then I get stoned by the grammar police! Sucks being a Debbie Downer!
July 29th, 20103:04 pm
Put me down for 1st round playoff exit over no playoffs at all…
I would love to see that trade as well. Can’t believe Wren gave a guy that is 37, only has one 20 win season, a handful of complete games (none with the Braves), etc a 4 year $60 mil contract making him the highest paid player. Wait yes I can believe Wren did that because he is a terrible GM.
Nick 'n Nash
ijudge – perhaps, but lowe has 2 more years on his contract, and vasquez is a FA after the season
I wish we could just trade Lowe for a sack of used baseballs at this point.
The problem the Braves are in with several players is basically “well, you suck and you’re hurting the team, but we got into a horrible contract with you, so we have to pay you.” Lowe is probably the worst example of this.
I get how you want to play a guy if you’re paying him, but if he’s hurting the team, you have to do to him what you did to McLouth. The $ is gone either way… no point in losing on top of it. McLouth is a great example of that – they finally did the right thing with him, but not after they let him hurt the team for weeks on end.
The Astros got a serious base stealer in the outfielder Gose. Jonathan Villar is an awful fielder 42 errors, and a so-so hitter, though he is still very young. And JA Happ finished second in the rookie of the year voting last year, good pitcher.
Me too, Mark. How you could prefer to not make the playoffs is beyond my feeble comprehension.
Does anyone actually pay for the ESPN insider?
July 29th, 20103:05 pm
Baseball 101, right. But a player who can produce in that situation is not necessarily going to put more runs on the scoreboard for your team over the long haul. My point is, you can’t build an offense merely around players who are good at driving in runs via sac flies and groundballs. You win by building an offense around players who are good at getting on base first and foremost and then players who are good at slugging. What’s that great sac-flier going to be when there is nobody on third? He is going to be a guy who pops out. Yes, all things being equal you want the contact guy. But if things are not equal, I’ll take the better on-base/slugger over the contact guy.
Spoke to Astros scout Ruben Amaro yesterday and he hinted toward taking Gose in the trade.
Oops, I’m getting a bad feeling about this team. Since we topped out with the 7 game lead, we can’t seem to do anything right, looks like we might be at 21/2 tonight, and WREN is sitting tight. Well, I enjoyed it while it lasted……..
July 29th, 20103:06 pm
I know you were not serious. I know you were making fun of them. And I didnt object to your spelling or grammar. I copy-pasted the comment from someone else who was objecting ( I think) and was saying it was good satire. So …peace?
Jeff speaks the truth… our two highest paid players (Chipper and Lowe) have been nothing but mediocre (and that’s being nice) doesnt look good on the GM
The Oswalt to Philly Trade is Complete. The Phillies keep on winning and just got even better. Now Frank Wren Do your Job and Get us a bat. Hello. and yet another start by derek lowe and we are losing yet again. Are we gonna do something or just sit on our butt and think this braves team as it now stands can still survive. theres no way we can.
July 29th, 20103:07 pm
OSWALT + $11M IS TRADED TO PHILLIES, Are you kidding me? What Braves is going to do now?
Long way to go JRW…I seem to remember the sky falling down around here earlier this year when this team lost 9 straight…
Dylan, Hart has been mentioned often.
July 29th, 20103:08 pm
Well phillies got oswalt but don’t worry guys, we have help coming internally.
Bautista might be our guy when it’s said and done. He was discussed in the Escobar deal. If Dunn is dealt Willingham stays. However if they can’t find a match for Dunn we may become the favorites for Willingham. Lotta different ways it can go.
I noticed from Wren’s comments yesterday, about not adding just for the sake of it, that if a bat is acquired itll be big.
“So you would rather be cut from the high school baseball team than make the team and strike out in a big spot? That explains a lot.”
A better analogy might be, you would rather not make the playoffs than to show up for the playoffs and have your manager manage like a drunken sailor on shore leave!
That more accurate from past performances.
JRW7, what makes you think Wren is “sitting tight”? And what are the Braves not doing right? You are judging this team on, what, the last 5 games?
This is just rediculous, the deadline is coming, we need production and i’m batting over .750 in my slow-pitch league! How the hell is it that I haven’t gotten a sniff from Wren.
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