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P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
1:45 pm
Oh, and for anyone listening, don’t hate Liberty Media…
Hate the Braves front office for wasting $35 MILLION dollars this year on Lowe, Kawakami, and Chipper…
Think of what that kind of money could buy…
rrosson3
July 30th, 2010
1:45 pm
WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR RELIEVERS!
One-Eyed Mac
July 30th, 2010
1:45 pm
I wonder what Bob Watson thinks about Venter’s suspension being dropped. It’s not like this was a measly one or two gamer.
I Hate Liberty Media
July 30th, 2010
1:46 pm
If Wren does nothing…and if this team fails to make the playoffs, he should lose his job.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
1:46 pm
NS Steve: I am having shrimp creole with rice and LOTS of scotch tonight when I tune in at 7:10 on MLB TV.
I concur with you, sir.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
1:46 pm
NS Steve-
Nice to be back on the blog to read stuff like that…
Sadly, I have tried this method…
It just makes it worse to look at, especially when I get to the point of Saito pitching…at that point I would need to pound shots and shotgun many a beer.
GTSteve
July 30th, 2010
1:46 pm
@Nova Scotia Steve …That’s how I fix most things…lol
CB
July 30th, 2010
1:46 pm
No guts,no glory if our best hope is Cody Ross.
THE BAT Masterson
July 30th, 2010
1:47 pm
If the bloggers can’t agree on THE BAT and we have no restrictions, how on earth can FW get THE BAT with all he has to think about surrounding the issue.
Hello!
shinburger
July 30th, 2010
1:47 pm
DOB its too quiet can you give us anything to stew on?
DJ
July 30th, 2010
1:47 pm
The people who comment on DOB’s articles aren’t bloggers, they’re commenters. A “blogger” is someone who writes a blog. A “commenter” is one who comments. Very few people here seem to make this distinction.
GTSteve
July 30th, 2010
1:48 pm
Chipper and Glaus just need the Hot Tub Time Machine
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
1:48 pm
rrosson3: the bullpen is getting weak because it’s a five man bullpen, not seven.
KK and Chavez are zeroes!
That’s why.
I Hate Liberty Media
July 30th, 2010
1:49 pm
If Chipper and Jones were racehorses, they’d be shot.
I Hate Liberty Media
July 30th, 2010
1:49 pm
Sorry…
Chipper & Glaus.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
1:49 pm
GT Steve-
I believe they could also use the DeLorean from Back to the Future to travel back to 2000
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
1:49 pm
GTSteve: if it takes them to the 80’s, they’ll be pony leaguers!
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
1:50 pm
Yeah, but its not as though neither KK or Chavez couldn’t be sent down…Both have options and we have Kimbrel, Marek, among others down in AAA.
I Hate Liberty Media
July 30th, 2010
1:50 pm
“I believe they could also use the DeLorean from Back to the Future to travel back to 2000″
Whatever it takes to get Ted Turner back.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
1:51 pm
P-Town Brave: WAY better solution, the DeLorean is also a classier option than the Hot Tub…
Just leave out the cliche’ cocaine out of the DeLorean, for both their sakes.
bravesfan90
July 30th, 2010
1:51 pm
Per Jason Stark from ESPN:
Fish bait: Remember that theory that there was no way the Marlins would trade Cody Ross in the wake of Chris Coghlan’s pie-throwing injury? Uh, never mind.
We’ve heard the Braves have made one last pre-deadline push to convince the Fish to deal Ross, and the Marlins were wavering. The Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers have also been linked to Ross, even this week. And a source said the Phillies had continued to express interest until just before they pulled the trigger on the Oswalt deal.
So while the Marlins are still likely to hang onto Ross, at least for now, the Braves were trying awfully hard to change their minds in the last 24 hours.
NEW CARS
July 30th, 2010
1:51 pm
Since it looks like he can’t buy the Rangers, what would you guys think about Mark Cuban buying the Braves…Now he’s a 21st century Ted Turner
dawgieswagbreggeee
July 30th, 2010
1:51 pm
WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR RELIEVERS! = a smokescreen or we are trading one or 2 guys in the pen we have for a bat and other reliever/s
Nova Scotia Steve
July 30th, 2010
1:51 pm
GTSteve – Chipper and Glaus just need the Hot Tub Time Machine
Leg warmers….Gheri curl…Where’s the beef?
SCBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
1:52 pm
Braves were 29-10 from May 10 – June 20 which happens to coincide with Glaus’ one hot streak. Outside of that, he’s done very little as far as run production. And, Chipper hasnt produced runs consistently since Bush was president. Can you win a WS with two crickety old men at 1B and 3B? What better time to interject some youth into the mix? Call Freddie up if nothing else for his defense. I honestly think 1B and 3B are a bigger problem for the Braves than the OF.
shinburger
July 30th, 2010
1:52 pm
chavez and kawakami = dead weight in the bullpen
I LOVE Liberty Media's Porn
July 30th, 2010
1:52 pm
TBS never had porn.
cbweathermaneeeee
July 30th, 2010
1:53 pm
P-Town Brave:
No idea… Just had to rag you a bit for forgetting to close your bold… No hard feelings?
NORRIS
July 30th, 2010
1:53 pm
If we just had something to chew on would be great. Even if it was
The braves are looking at a hot dog vender from queens…
I Hate Liberty Media
July 30th, 2010
1:53 pm
I’d love for Cuban to buy the Braves. At least he cares about winning. I don’t always agree with his behavior, but he sure wouldn’t be settling for Cody Ross or some castoff reliever during a pennant chase.
GTSteve
July 30th, 2010
1:54 pm
Yeah, Yeah, I forgot in the movie it sent them to the 80’s, havent actually seen it yet, but I do remember the commercials….and I hope if the Braves get Ross. they don’t give up much for him
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
1:54 pm
Totally rad, Dude… Z Cavaricci’s… Rick Matula!!!
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
1:55 pm
cb-
Its cool…Been away way tooooooo long from the blog…
Time to catch up now that we’re blowing the division…
Couldnt have picked a better time right?
What is this Cody Ross non sense?!
Cody Ross is not going to strike fear into the hearts of ANY or prevent the hard charging Phils…
We NEED a game changer that can bat cleanup!
shinburger
July 30th, 2010
1:55 pm
I hope braves get a deal done today, i have stuff going tomarrow and wont be near computer
Shaun
July 30th, 2010
1:55 pm
CapitolAvenueClub has a post on what he thinks the Braves ought to do. Here’s a summary paragraph from his blog post:
“We’re sitting in first place, but the team probably needs to do more to maintain their lead and have a successful post season tournament. I certainly hope they don’t stand pat. Even if they don’t upgrade anything, setting themselves up for next year by dealing some of the dead weight (Lowe, Kawakami, McLouth) is something they have to try to accomplish. Mediocre players making lots of money isn’t a problem on an incredibly wealthy team or a team with a lot of stars. The Braves are neither.”
rammerjammer
July 30th, 2010
1:56 pm
“The people who comment on DOB’s articles aren’t bloggers, they’re commenters. A “blogger” is someone who writes a blog. A “commenter” is one who comments. Very few people here seem to make this distinction.”
I love this kind of stuff. In the middle of all this shooting from the hip, a pause to reflect on the appropriate titles for participants.
We now resume our hail of bullets, already in progress.
Shaun
July 30th, 2010
1:58 pm
More from the CapitolAvenueClub blog:
“Dealing those guys [Lowe, Kawakami, McLouth) gives you options. You can either try to acquire a starter to fill Lowe’s spot, or go with Minor in the rotation and use the savings to commit to a right handed middle of the order hitter. The only starter worth acquiring still out there IMO is Zack Greinke, and really the only right handed middle of the order hitter that doesn’t suck is Josh Willingham. Either way, you’re significantly upgrading something (either the rotation by replacing Lowe with Greinke, or the OF by maintaining the status quo in the rotation by replacing Lowe with Minor and adding Willingham). If the Braves did acquire Willingham, you’d probably see Heyward get some time off vs. LHP with Diaz playing and Troy Glaus get more time off with Hinske playing 1B. Willingham is basically the perfect option for the offense, in that it both significantly upgrades it now and in 2011, but also gives you even more depth, rather than sapping it.
“I’d also look to acquire a right handed reliever, someone that can handle the late innings. Brandon League and Rafael Betancourt are two names I’ve heard thrown around, both I like very much.”
monty
July 30th, 2010
1:59 pm
The problem is our leadoff man has more HR’s than our 3 hole hitter, and our 3 hole hitter should be hitting 2nd or 6th. Our cleanup guy isn’t really a clean-up guy but a 5th hole hitter. And our 5th hitter should be our 4th hitter but he’s cold as ice and slugging about .220 for the past month or more. Wow! And we’re in1st place! Life is good! Who would have thunk the lineup would be so discombobulated and we’d still be leading the Phillies? Speaks more to the balance of starters, bench, and pen. Oh, and dare I say BC? The million dollar question is can this team win it with little or no production from the 3rd and 5th spot? all the experts that I hear say, NO! About 75 % of bloggers say NO! 25% say yes.the team is fine. no time to fret. “Fretting is silly”. Only time will tell.
JasonInFL
July 30th, 2010
1:59 pm
Man, Ross isn’t THAT good. Ross or Spilborghs…who do you guys think?
DAP
July 30th, 2010
1:59 pm
So while the Marlins are still likely to hang onto Ross, at least for now, the Braves were trying awfully hard to change their minds
i dont like that.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:00 pm
I’ll agree on one thing with him…
I sure as heck would rather have Willingham than Cody Ross…
Although I differ on one thing…
I would give JHey the CF job the rest of the year and play Matty in RF and JWill in LF…
I think that would make our lineup MUCH better in the middle…I would put Willingham in the cleanup spot and move Glaus down to 6
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
Shaun: if Wren were to get rid of just one of the three, I would change my opinions of him totally. But no one in the MLB is so totally brain dead as to take on any of those zeroes. Like the Beatles sang:
Boy, you’re gonna carry that weight, carry that weight a long time…”
dawgieswagbreggeee
July 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
monty = The problem is our leadoff man has more HR’s than our 3 hole hitter
Ex friggin Xactly – The Devil Wears Prado should be in the 3 hole, Infante in 1 hole, HOSS in 2 and JHey 5 or 6 or 2 and Hoss in 5 or 6
rrosson3
July 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
MiaBchBravesFan
Im just saying this is the one spot we CAN internally. No need to go out and give up guys when we have whats needed to fill the void in house
Snotboogie
July 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
DAP
Neither do I. While the Phillies just made a good deal for the Oswalt, Wren might end up overpaying for someone who might not be enough of an improvement. That worries me more for the future than the next 2 months.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:02 pm
Oh, and if anyone would take Lowe off our hands, I’d pack up his house for FREE myself and also help Mike Minor find his way to the empty locker in Atlanta tomorrow…
Efrim
July 30th, 2010
2:02 pm
Even if they don’t upgrade anything, setting themselves up for next year by dealing some of the dead weight (Lowe, Kawakami, McLouth) is something they have to try to accomplish.
Not saying Wren isn’t trying to do that, but I have a hard time seeing any team looking to make a deal for any of those guys mid season. Perhaps this offseason, but not right now.
monty
July 30th, 2010
2:02 pm
SCBRAVESFAN
I was constructeing my thoughts while you were posting your. Looks like we’re in agreement.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:02 pm
So…
How does everyone feel about Willingham?
Blogtator
July 30th, 2010
2:04 pm
Instead of commenter, how about blogtator?
Brave4life- 1995 all over again???
July 30th, 2010
2:04 pm
Bravesfaninc
Sorry i was gone for a bit, latest on Braves, ESPN Insider already mentioned
With their bullpen suddenly showing some leaks, the Atlanta Braves could be in the market for a reliever.
GM Frank Wren says relief help is not necessarily a priority, but Carroll Rogers of the Atlanta JC says the Braves might be talking to Toronto about Kevin Gregg, Jason Frasor or Scott Downs.
Rogers reports that the Braves seem to have lost confidence in Kenshin Kawakami, who has pitched only once since he was moved to the bullpen a month ago. The team also is awaiting word on Jonny Venters’ appeal of his four-game suspension.
I Hate Liberty Media
July 30th, 2010
2:04 pm
I’m still hoping KK believes in seppuku. It would nullify his contract.
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
2:05 pm
Willingham = meh. Maybe for a six pack of Stroh’s and two fungo bats, with a ball bag to be named later.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:06 pm
Please GOD, stay away, FAR AWAY from Kevin Gregg!
Shaun
July 30th, 2010
2:06 pm
MiaBchBravesFan, well, he is saying it would be worth it to eat significant portions of the remaining salaries of those players. He also says what he would prefer probably isn’t going to happen.
CB
July 30th, 2010
2:06 pm
Looks like PDub thinks the other GM’s are fools,nobody is going to take Lowe or McLouth off our hands.
shinburger
July 30th, 2010
2:07 pm
Im not sold on willingham i know hes been good in the past but he has struggled lately. He didnt impress me in the series we just played against nats. Theres not a lot of options out there though
rammerjammer
July 30th, 2010
2:07 pm
Wilson Betemit’s hitting .349 in Kansas City.
Hee, hee…
Brave4life- 1995 all over again???
July 30th, 2010
2:07 pm
Jager Bombs
Gone Viral
July 30th, 2010
2:07 pm
“Willingham = meh.”
He’s fifth in the NL in OBP. The guy right in front of him is someone named Pujols. The guy right behind him is someone named Adrian Gonzalez.
Rob From SC...Chipper's new BFF, Please call up Freddie Freeman
July 30th, 2010
2:08 pm
Here is my 2 cents
Send Clevlen, KK, and Chavez to AAA
Callup – Freeman, Kimbrel, and Minor
You then move Minor into the rotation and put Lowe on the pen
I know you are paying Lowe 15 Million, but you are doing that anyway why not limit the chances that he can cost us ballgames
Patrick
July 30th, 2010
2:08 pm
I’d rather have Luke Scott than Cody Ross
Brave4life- 1995 all over again???
July 30th, 2010
2:09 pm
I would rather have Matt Kemp, Right cabravesfan hahahaa
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:09 pm
I feel as though Willingham is the most feasible option out there and he has a .991 OPS v LHP so he’s got that going for him
JSS
July 30th, 2010
2:09 pm
Cody Ross is another low batting average, low on base %, low power outfielder. He fits perfectly with all of the other non-Heyward outfielders the Braves trot out there each night. Why are the Braves reportedly making him the focus of their trade deadline activity??? I’d hate to see the team give up even mid level prospects for a player that adds nothing to the lineup.
dawgieswagbreggeee
July 30th, 2010
2:10 pm
Yes Betemit is on fire in the steak state ! Noticed that last week
I do not understand trading for a reliever, they grow on trees and we have guys at AAA we could use and in the current BP, KK, Dunn, eff bring up Minor to long relieve or start and use the little dog to relieve (himself on other than trees)
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
2:11 pm
Yeah, Betemit is hitting .349… IN 83 AT-BATS!!!
Sheesh.
I Hate Liberty Media
July 30th, 2010
2:11 pm
Is it so difficult for this organization to develop good power hitters on its own? Who was the last legitimate slugger to come out of the Braves’ system? Dye? Klesko? That was 15 years ago.
SCBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
2:11 pm
Monty,
Everybody keeps focusing on the OF but the bottom line is if the Braves had a 1B or 3B that could drive in runs consistently they would be running away from the Phillies. Any upgrades they could make in the OF would only be modest. Chipper and Troy are KILLING this team with their lack of run production and the Braves have a potential in-house replacement in Freeman.
coach smith
July 30th, 2010
2:12 pm
JOSE BAUTISTA
Home- 18 hr and 45 hits
Away- 12 hr and 47 hits
so his production is not just at home
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:12 pm
Rob- I like your idea, but bringing up Freeman should be a precursor or reaction to making a trade for a RH OF that can bat cleanup.
Like I said, I would trade for Kemp in a heartbeat, but thats just wishful thinking…
Either way, we need to make at least a couple moves, one of which involves receiving a major power threat in the OF to move into the cleanup spot.
Lollygagger
July 30th, 2010
2:12 pm
SCBravesFan-
ah, man. Don’t ever apologize for having a similar idea to someone else on the blog. I was just messin’ with ya. That stuff happens all the time. Just glad to see I’m not the only one that suggests “Baby Braves, Part II” as a possible solution.
Patrick
July 30th, 2010
2:12 pm
Mike Jacobs just got traded to Toronto
N8
July 30th, 2010
2:13 pm
Well said SCBravesFan. Been saying the same thing for a week. Of course the flip of that is, that if we get a big bat for the outfield, it will diminish what Chipper and Glaus have to do.
But as long as those two aren’t producing and Bobby continues to put them in the 3 & 5 holes (4 hole for Glaus when Mac sits), it doesn’t matter if Wren would get Either AND Kemp to play in the OF.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:13 pm
JSS-
Yeah, basically another Francoeur to replace Francoeur and Church…
Willingham has a .401 OBP at least
Rob From SC...Chipper's new BFF, Please call up Freddie Freeman
July 30th, 2010
2:13 pm
Is Heyward not a slugger? He was before the thumb injury
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
2:14 pm
Gone Viral: wow… another OBP guy… just what the braves need… whoopee… superduper.
Who’s gonna drive HIS butt in???
UNCBrave
July 30th, 2010
2:14 pm
CODY ROSS IS NOT THE FREAKING ANSWER!!!
WREN SUX!!
N8
July 30th, 2010
2:14 pm
“Is it so difficult for this organization to develop good power hitters on its own? Who was the last legitimate slugger to come out of the Braves’ system? Dye? Klesko? That was 15 years ago.”
Oh… I don’t know. Perhaps Andruw Jones? Heyward looks to be a slugger to me.
But don’t take my word for it.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:15 pm
Well, Willingham has a high OBP yes, but he’s also driven in 50 as well.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
July 30th, 2010
2:15 pm
Neight I think Macha should have to sit out a game now, for being such a whiny little [censored] over something that the league decided wasn’t that big of a deal.
I agree…let’s also have Fielder sit out a game or…twelve.
SCBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
2:15 pm
The last I checked the Braves did not have anybody in the OF hitting 3, 4, or 5. That would be Chipper, Mac, and Glaus. And two of those three aren’t producing. Forget upgrading the OF. Call up Freeman and play Infante and Conrad at 3B more.
Dick Doss
July 30th, 2010
2:16 pm
what about ty wiggington he would fit nicely
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:16 pm
Only issue with Willingham, 11 of his 15 HR are with nobody on base…
ie Braves syndrome…
MiaBchBravesFan
July 30th, 2010
2:16 pm
And now Gonzo with the flu???
The bats are already sick. O’Flaherty, now Gonzo.
Who’s next? The whole team???
UNCBrave
July 30th, 2010
2:17 pm
I agree on FREEMAN…CALL HIM UP and send Clevelan down..
Call up KIMBREL…Send Chavez DOWN…FOR GOOD
BravoMan
July 30th, 2010
2:17 pm
SCBravesFan
How about a platoon in CF with Ross and Blanco and the promotion of Freeman in September?
Gone Viral
July 30th, 2010
2:18 pm
“I do not understand trading for a reliever, they grow on trees and we have guys at AAA we could use”
I think this stems from the team’s losing confidence in Saito. They realize we’re about to be in a pennant battle and they want someone who has been through the battles and won’t be afraid of making the big pitch. Personally, I would be fine with our throwing someone young into the fire as I think kids have a tendency to be less impressed by big situations since they’re too green to appreciate the rarity of those moments. My expectation is that we’ll get a reliever cheap in a buyer’s market, but I think we’d be better off using our September roster to audition kids for that role.
I Hate Liberty Media
July 30th, 2010
2:18 pm
Oh… I don’t know. Perhaps Andruw Jones? Heyward looks to be a slugger to me.
I’m not counting Heyward because he’s only 20. I think he’ll be great, but I don’t think it’s fair to lean on him to drive the offense.
And Andrew Jones? How long ago was that? Fourteen years since he came up.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:19 pm
Kemp on the other hand, 9 of his 17 HR are with men on base
BravoMan
July 30th, 2010
2:19 pm
Also does anyone know where I can find Stark’s daily rumble? Or is it posted yet?
Steve from OH
July 30th, 2010
2:19 pm
CODY ROSS IS NOT THE FREAKING ANSWER!!!
But Chris Young is? Gold star for you.
P-Town Brave
July 30th, 2010
2:20 pm
Platoon?!
Why do 70% of the people on here have what I call “Bobby Cox syndrome”…
IF we got someone good enough, we wouldnt need to platoon…
Rob From SC...Chipper's new BFF, Please call up Freddie Freeman
July 30th, 2010
2:21 pm
Could Minor outpitch Lowe right now?
Gone Viral
July 30th, 2010
2:21 pm
“wow… another OBP guy… just what the braves need… ”
Ignoring your sarcasm, your words are exactly right. How are runs driven in? Nobody ever makes the third out. It’s not rocket science. You put Prado, McCann, Glaus, Chipper, Heyward and Willingham in the same lineup and a pitcher cries at the though of facing 6 out of the 31 hardest outs in the NL in one lineup. It’s a dream come true.
Vol_in_Ohio
July 30th, 2010
2:21 pm
Is there any Xavier Nady talk at all? The stats are terrible, but he’s a RH bat that the Cubs might move for a PTBNL and pick up some salary. Maybe he’s washed up after the injury, but is there any risk in taking a shot?
cabravesfan
July 30th, 2010
2:22 pm
banging your head on your desk constantly makes for a highly unproductive workday…
FUWren
July 30th, 2010
2:22 pm
If we trade for a reliever I think I’ll have to find a new team to root for. I understand that there’s probably no big bats available, but we have one big bat at AAA, and we’ve got a slew of decent relievers there. Call them all up.
JSS
July 30th, 2010
2:22 pm
SCBravesFan –
Agreed that Chipper and Glaus are killing us. Chipper is a Hall of Famer and an all time great…but he’s 38 and near the end of his career. I expected more out of Glaus after he had that hot month earlier in the season. The last few months he has been completely useless. A great halloween idea…Dress up as a corpse and wear a Troy Glaus jersey.
Shaun
July 30th, 2010
2:23 pm
Im not sold on willingham i know hes been good in the past but he has struggled lately. He didnt impress me in the series we just played against nats. Theres not a lot of options out there though
What he’s done “lately” doesn’t necessarily tell us anything. Players will fool you if you are just watching them for a few games.