12:16 pm July 14, 2010, by AJC Sports
July 14th, 20101:03 pm
I like the idea of Adam Dunn as well, but it would an awful to bring him here. He is having an Awesome season
July 14th, 20101:04 pm
Excellent value and instant offensive production for this year’s run.
Let’s GO BRAVES! …
I feel a new era is upon us ..
Awful trade. Regardless of how Escobar has played this year and the undoubted bonehead things he does, he is still one of the top shortstops in the league. He is having a bad year offensively, but it’s ridiculous to give up on him for a 33 year old having his best year who cannot carry Yunel’s glove. It might work out for this year, but, IMO, this is a terrible trade. The prospects are nothing special. They already traded Andrus–are they planning on making Gonzalez the shortstop of the future? Very shortsighted trade. Obviously, winning in Bobby’s last year is trumping every other consideration.
First thing i saw come across the ticker is Braves aquire A. Gonzalez. I was excited til i figured out that was Alex and not Adrian. I will really miss escobar, but I think this improves the club now and it was a smart short term move. Hopefully Salcedo is ready after next year.
In case anyone missed – Gonzales has 50 RBI on a weak offensive team.
>>>>>It would be great if we could get Hart…maybe send the new kid Collins and Kawakami over to get him.
If you think that’s all it takes to get Corey Hart, i got some nice beachfront property in Nebraska that i would like to sell to you for a good deal.
July 14th, 20101:05 pm
MBZ!! Welcome to the blog.
W O W . . . . can’t say I’m shocked but I’m shocked – sort of like when they traded Frenchy. You knew they had to do it – but didn’t they would. You just hope they would get more than they did. Alex Gonzales?? Ryan Church??? come on . . .
Escobar’s bat is non-issue, other than Furcal, did we ever have a top offensive shortstop? Defense is the key for the Braves and Escobar was starting to be clown out there on the field almost got Glaus killed was not cool. Glaus is like Mr. Glass . . . he doesn’t need help to break down.
I hope the best for Escobar and Frenchy – I hope they finally tap into the world class talent they both possess and show us what we all know they are capable of . . .
jewell rollen, Escobar hasn’t been a better fielder than Gonzalez in recent years.
Who’s ready for the most biased interview in the history of sports– DOB and Chipper Jones discussing the Yunel Escobar trade. You guys are a joke. This trade is awful.
Selling low. Buying high. Getting older, not younger. Adding payroll. Giving up a player under team control. Getting worse defensively. Giving up an immensely talented SS for a one-hit wonder journeyman. Etc, etc, etc
The only positives about this trade are that the minor leaguers seem to be legit, another trade could be in the works, and we finally got rid of JoJo Reyes. Although JoJo Reyes himself bringing a return like Alex Gonzalez would be a disappoint.
Blk. Peter Gammons
Too premature! I think Yunel would’ve picked it up in the second half. Remember he was .299 hitter last year and one of the top clutch hitters over a two year span on the team. Too good definsively to dump unless you are getting a stud that has some tread on his contract. Jojo, well………
July 14th, 20101:06 pm
his hair was lame anyways. blonde hair tips = geigh
Wren on 680 The Fan
Wren is Currently speaking on 680TheFan on the trade matter!
July 14th, 20101:07 pm
Good post, Eric in Dallas!!!
J-Deez, you’re right on it. Anyone who follows the Braves minor league teams know that SS is a position we will be fine at in the future. Gonzalez has an option for next season as does Infante so I’m for one that’s not concerned. More concerned if Chipper retires at seasons end. Now if we can land a solid OF for the second half……………
the cox man
Mycal Jones for 2011 the braves will be all right
July 14th, 20101:08 pm
I think by the look on Bobby’s face the last straw for Esco was a few games ago when he didn’t go hard after the pop flies in the lights twice verse the Mets, then dang near got Glaus’s arm broke on the lackadasical throw to first. The look on Cox’s face in the dug out after those plays could have burned through led.
I hope nobody forget that Escobar was one of the top shortstops in the NL last year – kid was good. Sort of like Francour was great his first few years too. . . .
If you think the players were happy with Escobar’s attitude, you were not watching the game where he made the toss to Glaus. They showed the dugout several times and the other players were definitely unhappy.
I can’t believe how anyone can find fault with this deal. Sure, Escobar definitely could reclaim his form and produce numbers like he did last year (.299,14,76) but’s not all about the stats. He has constantly underperformed and tends to let offensive slides disrupt his enormous defensive potential. Plus, his overall antics in the field could not be tolerated anymore (see last weeks defensive lapses against the Mets to name one).
If you look at the trade in it’s entirety, Wren did a great job of improving this club for the immediacy of this year with a big right handed bat, and two prospects (shortstop & pitcher). You also have to consider the experience the Gonzalez has had on two winning ball clubs (Marlins ‘03 & Red Soxs). He has the maturity that Esco lacks, and even if he produces a notch below his current stats, it’s still an improvement.
Lost in all of this is that we finally got rid of Jo Jo from the organization… thank goodness! We never have to fear again bringing him back up and watching one of his infamous meltdowns.
Tale of Woe
I dont get the Corey Hart thing. I would much rather have Cody Ross. Corey Hart has NEVER hit. This is his one good year and I don’t know how much longer he is going to sustain it. The Brewers are asking for a ton for him (as they should). I wouldn’t give them what they would want.
my favorite part of this trade is we never have to worry about Bo Bo Reyes pitching for the braves again.I cant believe they were stupid enough to take that clown.
July 14th, 20101:09 pm
Where can I find a “Strength of Schedule” for the second half of 2010 for the NL East?
GREAT MOVE!! CONGRATS B MAC ON MVP!! THIS IS A SPECIAL YEAR FOR THE BRAVO’S!! WE CAN BEAT ANYBODY!!
Based on production alone, this is a great trade. AG .259 ba vs. YE .238. AG 17 hrs vs. YE 0
AG 50 rbi vs YE 19 rbi. Yunel has alot of talent but he hasn’t produced on the field yet. AG is more experience and i think it is a great trade.
Scary trade because we hate to give up on Esco’s talent but his horrible attitude justified it. I dont think this will come back to haunt the braves, playing in the AL East with all those stud teams like New York, Boston and Tampa we may never hear much about him again. Just thinking we could have gotten more and I have a feeling this is going to lead to another trade that may have been set up in advanced based on this trade happening. GO BRAVES
July 14th, 20101:10 pm
The don’t much care for the trade in Toronto:
Matt the Brave
Figured that this one was going to happen. How long is Gonzo signed for?
Now go get a power hitting outfielder…
It's out of here.....
Great pick up on a multitude of levels. Go BRAVES!
Wren Said that Gonzalez is a Dangerous hitter….! I know he wasn’t serious when he said that…? Like teams are going to intentionally walk Gonzalez
Jo Jo will fit in fine over there in Canada
What do the Blue Jays see in Escobar and Jo-Jo Reyes? Salary dump? Sounds like we got the better end of this deal.
Escobar = Loser
JC from DR!
July 14th, 20101:11 pm
Alex Gonzalez wont even have warning track power at the Ted.
At least JoJo is gone.
Finally the buncha’ cry babies are gonna shutup and stop whining about Esco’s supposed bad attitud.
Ghost of Francisco Cabrera
Honestly, Yeah, we are losign Escobars “potential” upside… but we get a better offensive player and get rid off Jojo… Getting rid of Jojo could make almost any trade above average for the braves… Can i get a hallelujah!!
.238, ZERO home runs, 19 RBI, mental lapses in the field, and he is going into arbitration at the end of the year. Braves are in the playoff hunt, but no thanks to Yunel. Adios.
The Bird and Indian
July 14th, 20101:13 pm
Alex has had 5 double digit home run seasons in 14 years. His career high is 23 with this season already being the second most home runs. His most RBI’s in a year is 77. I just smell a little fluke here in the first half, but hopefully not.
The more I think about this deal the more I like it. Getting the two quality prospects makes it a no-brainer for me and adds to the possibility of FW trading for a big stick in the outfield.
As far as Gonzalez is concerned, it reminds me a little of when we brought in Edgar Renteria although Edgar hit for a higher average and Gonzalez has better range. Both were/will be good for the club on the field and for team solidarity.
July 14th, 20101:15 pm
Great move! Smartest move made yet by Frank Wren. Alex Gonzalez is the best shortstop we have had in a long time.
I’ve always been a Y unel guy but maybe being in those Canadian winters will shock him to life, by the way did any of you notice how many former Braves minor leaguers were in the all star game last night, Elvis Andrus for crappy Texierra deal and Adam Wainright for crappy J.D Drew.Can’t imagine Gonzales patroling shortstop anywhere close to what Escobar does, if you convinced you need more offense over defense then make the trade, frankly I thought they were better with him ranging all over the place. To many people have gotten locked in to a middle infielder driving in a lot of runs, it’s really not the norm.
One thing I know for sure is that we better win the god damn world series because this is a trade that compromises the future. I swear if we don’t win the world series and yunel is an all star next year, I will be extremely upset.
July 14th, 20101:16 pm
I wouldn’t call Esco a loser. He, like Andruw Jones, just has to be shown that you need to respect the game by playing hard every second you are on the field. And maybe just like Andruw, he’ll get his act together — he is an outstanding SS, no doubt about it.
Not a bad trade. Get some prospects without giving up any that will help us.
We have a 2.5 million option on Gonzalez for next year if want to keep him. Great position for us.
Don’t like it. His first half notwithstanding, one of Escobar’s great strengths is clutch hitting. If the Braves make it into the playoffs, I’m afraid they will miss his ability to perform in high-pressure situations.
Don’t forget he almost got Prado killed. Runner on first, two outs, grounder to short, and he makes a lazy flip to Prado who wasn’t expecting the throw. Prado was playing way off the bag, and had to come tearing in to catch the lazy flip and almost got mowed over by the sliding baserunner. Yunel should have seen Prado was out of position and made the throw to first.
Bobby cox should be ashamed of himself if he engineered this trade.
IT’S ANOTHER WREN!
This has to go down as one of the worst trades in Braves history!
Wren’s has clearly lost what little mind he has left with this one. I truly believe this GM needs to be replaced!
we just drafted a SS in the first round; we will be fine at SS in the future; good work Frank
July 14th, 20101:17 pm
Yeah Baby!!! Good deal!
You are probably 80% spot on with that speculation. And im thinking McClouth is the odd man out.
July 14th, 20101:18 pm
this was a bad move and we will pay for it……gonzo is not going to be nearly as good in the sencond half as he was in the first…how many aces has this guy faced? i bet not nearly as many as esco faced in the first half…this will bite us in the a#$
This is reminiscent of the days when we traded scrap metal for Fred McGriff
Yunel Escobar had no future in this organization. Cox had ruined him
Getting something of the caliber of Gonzalez for Yunel and JoJo (another player who had no future in this organization – is a coup
If this wasnt the best roster in the NL before, it certainly is now
Fire the manager, and we’d have a World Series contender
JC from DR!
“Alex Gonzalez wont even have warning track power at the Ted.
Finally the buncha’ cry babies are gonna shutup and stop whining about Esco’s supposed bad attitude”
I’m Co-Signing on all three points.
Yunel certainly has all the talent to become the next great shortstop, but it wasn’t happening this year and when you’re in first place in a crowded NL playoff race, you can’t afford to wait around on players to play up to their potential. I like the move. I’ll always take performance over talent.
I’ll throw in an analogy. Let’s say you’re dating a drop-dead gorgeous girl, but she’s a high-maintenance head case. It’s incredibly hard to leave her for a less attractive, more sensible girl, but it’s almost always the best move.
Plate Appearance: I also believe that the GM of a first-place ballclub should be fired. He’s done nothing to get the Braves back to the top of the division… wait a minute… oh yeah, they’re in first.
Alex Gonzalez better hit another 17 home runs in the second half.
Good move got a little more pop in the middle of the lineup and i think Bobby and some braves players have finally had it with Esco’s attitude,plus dont forget we got 2 young prospects also! Good move Wren!
July 14th, 20101:19 pm
My biggest concern is our defense on the left side of the infield.
We will feel this trade there. Our offense, naturally, should be better.
Sorry to see Escobar go – I always thought he had some good talent, especially at SS. But I think this is overall a pretty good move. And we added to the farm, rather than subtracted from it as we did in the past.
And, we don’t have to worry about another Jo-Jo experiment at starting pitcher. whew!
Wren continues to impress.
Hope this works out to the Braves advantage… Alex Gonzalez is like the anti-LaRoche. Not much of a career second half player.
And while I’m tentatively pleased, the trades of Soriano, Aybar, and Teixeira make me wonder sometimes if Wren is a little too eager to deal.
I’ve been a big fan of Escobar’s play despite his problems on and off the field. We don’t really know what impact he had in the clubhouse, but this sure looks like addition by subtraction designed to cure some of those issues. We also don’t know why Escobar has been struggling so badly this year. Injury? Substance issues? Mental problems? We just don’t know.
We will miss his defense, he has been a big plus defensively. Alex Gonzalez at this stage is not likely to be as good (I haven’t seen him play this year), but overall he may be an upgrade for a pennant drive.
Those who think this team is going to the World Series with Infante as the everyday shortstop are deluded.
If McLouth and Heyward come back strong with Gonzalez added and with Diaz back vs. LHP the Braves will have significantly more pop in the lineup coming back from the break than they had going in. I still wouldn’t be surprised to see Wren pull the switch on a corner outfield or infield bat but he may wait awhile to see how the current roster performs.
I’m very pleased with the focus on stockpiling talent in the minor leagues. There’s pitching depth there and at least 2-3 everyday players in waiting. But I still think he got shortchanged for Vazquez.
Dave O’Brien says that Gonzalez is a better shortstop than Escobar. I commented on his blog that I agreed with him. He agreed that I agreed with him. It was freaking logic.
Well, Yunel’s attitude problems were of concern and certainly affecting his performance. The two prospects are young but they’ve been successful in the minors so far. I like Pastornicky’s speed. His glove needs work. Collins has been dominant so far (13 K/9) but he’ll need to polish his command. The 73-16 K-BB ratio looks great, but 16 BBs in 43 IP is a bit high. Still, these guys are young. We added a great, veteran presence at shortstop in Gonzalez. I like the winning attitude we have on the team with his addition. Gonzalez has some pop in his bat but he is by no means a power hitter. He has an inflated HR/FB% (12.9%) this year, but it is similar when compared to his other sporadic double digit homerun seasons. I don’t think losing Yunel will be as bad as some might think.
hell yeah i dont care what all yall retards say, this is a great trade!! braves will win the world series this season!!! GO BOBBY COX!!!!
I Hate Liberty Media
July 14th, 20101:20 pm
Woohoo! Adios, Yunel!
Finally!!!!!!!!!Thank you Frank Wren.
I do believe this opens another spot on our 40 man roster by getting rid of Ho Bo Reyes, i’m absolutely hoping this leads to another deal.
Several weeks back, Wren was quoted as saying that the trade of Elvis, Salty and the gang to Texas for Tex was a good trade becuase all the parties involved had other players in fromt of them.
Now he trades Escobar, while Elvis was in the all-star game last night. Feliz is tops in saves..
Bye Bye Esco
Worst trade in Braves history lolllll
There are some seriously dumb people with a computer
July 14th, 20101:21 pm
to make be PC THIS SUCKS…we are not as good of a baseball team as we were yesterday.
July 14th, 20101:22 pm
I don’t know about this trade. It’s true that Alex Gonzalez has much better offensive stats this year than Yunel Escobar but, by far, Yunel Escobar has much prettier hair.
G’bye Yunnel. Great glove but bad attitude. All he had to do was “hustle” on the field. Just do it the right way: example: Derek Jeter
“There are some seriously dumb people with a computer”
So it would seem.
The Collins kid is a quality minor league reliever. 2.40 era, 1.094 whip, good K/BB rates through four years in the minors. He’s a year away probably. He’s all of about five foot five but very athletic. 93 mph fastball and a plus curve. I can’t believe the Jays included him.
As for Escobar, 27 is not “young” in baseball. There’s no more talking about “potential” at that age. He was a good shortstop who made too many mental errors and was having a bad year. He’ll probably bounce back offensively. Gonzalez is a fine defensive shortstop. And yes his OBP is cause for concern, but check out his splits. He was fine on the road and on grass.
Good deal overall.
July 14th, 20101:23 pm
I was just defending Esco on here the other day…Wow, I really did not see this coming, but will reserve judgment….Wow!
So who do we have in the minors at short? I know some of u guys got the scoop.
July 14th, 20101:24 pm
Where’s Lew? I told him yesterday we would get Alex G. and he and several others said “never happen.” Good job Frank!
Steal for Wren. Braves need power. Gonzalez has it. .260 is not the worse avg in the world. Better than Yunel and McOut! Hating on corey hart…ridiculous. Did you see the mini-show he put on in the HR derby. Hes an all-star. Like francouer only he is actually starting to live up to the heigh. I wish Wren could pull that trade off, but this is definitely a steal. A better shortstop and 2 minor leaguers for a guy who can only play defense right now and JO-Jo freakin Reyes. Haha. Those blue jays are idiots. RHP on thursday so you should prolly see: Prado-Heyward-Jones-McCann-Glaus-Hinske-Gonzo-Blanco sounds pretty good to me. maybe against lefties it can be something like Prado-Heyward-Chip-Glaus-McCann-Gonzo-Matty D-Melky
July 14th, 20101:25 pm
JP Riccardi(former Blue Jays GM)just said on ESPN radio the Braves made out pretty good on the deal. He has inside info on all the players we received.
According to Buster Olney the Braves had interest in Cody Ross:
Heard this:Braves continue to have interest in Cody Ross,who is one of three players the Marlins have made available;Cantu,Robertson others.
STEELY DAN MAN
I was hoping this guy would come around. I would watch him exclusively @ the games w/ my binoculars and when players like Chipper or Bmac would mention something to him, he would s mirk & frown up like a kid, and say something smart to a of the other latin players. And remember when McLouth hit a game winning home run and the whole team deserted the dugout and went down to the tunnel, and when McLouth rounded home and ran to the dugout nobody was there. Then he ran to the tunnel where all his team mates exploded in a wild jubilant celebration.It was a real ” kodak ” moment, then off to the side was Yunel just standing there kinda looking on indifferently. You’ve heard about his attitude from time to time, but when I saw that I knew he was a problem.WOW,hate see him go, but I love the Braves more !!!!!!!
everyone on here keeps saying that the braves are going to be better and use Mcout as a reason that we are going to be so much better in the second half. thats crazy he has been awfull since we got him from the pirates,we should have sent Mcout packing not esco
Bad attitude + Potential (never reached) = get out of town and take that you owe me attitude with you Yunel.
All bogus Braves fans who can’t see the upside to bad attitude need to talk to his teammates. I’ll bet a dollar to a dime doughnut A LOT of them co-signed this one.
More POTENTIAL will come along again. This is how baseball works real fans…………….
did nobody tell frank that you’re supposed to buy low and sell high… not the opposite way around?
Grandpa Right, formerly of Cochran
July 14th, 20101:26 pm
You don’t hustle, you’re not a Brave. I like it.
I’ve been quick to criticize Wren, but I see this as a great deal for the Braves. Getting rid of Yunel is addition by subtraction. Getting a shortstop in the middle of a solid year with the bat and sound defense makes the deal sweeter. Getting legitimate shortstop and pitching prospects is lagniappe.
Careful With That Axe, Eugene!
I’m laughing at the Yunel appologists slamming this trade. When do you guys think Yunel is going to grow up and be a real major player? How bout NEVER! He’s late 20’s folks, not a teenager. Has he got crazy talent? OF COURSE HE DOES…. but he’s a major liability as well. He was a bomb waiting to go off. Let someone else deal with his pouting and inflated self importance. Gonzo is without question a offensive upgrade. He’s a pretty good defensive guy as well.
Great trade! Didn’t see it coming! Didn’t dream Yunel could be traded and get anything like this in return mid season.
July 14th, 20101:27 pm
Oh man, what an embarrassing trade. Wren sold low and bought high.
J-Deez, that’s right. Everyone forgot the big DR signing earlier this year. They signed Salcedo to a $1.3M contract. Gonzalez gets us thru the next two years while Salcedo and Pastornicky come up to speed and we always have our All-Star Omar Infante!
Great trade! Kudos to the Braves for pullling the trigger
Haha. remember when you could look down the phillies lineup and be scared because everyone can take you deep and do damage. Well…look down the braves. Got some good bats. Dont let wren pull off something for the outfield. This lineup should be able to get it done deep into oct. along with the starters and best bullpen and bench in the league.
Yunel’s defense is awesome and got us out of a lot of situations, that would have cost us many games this season…. so if we get a “GOOD” SS as a replacement and MORE offense.. then I see it as a wash… the more offense will offset the lost in AWESOME defense. so can anyone tell me having the opportunity to do more at the plate out weigh the saving plays in the field? Just curious at to what is more important….
July 14th, 20101:28 pm
Adios Escobar. You honestly won’t be missed. Glad I don’t have to see your inebriated, stupid, and embarrassing actions in public anymore. The Braves showed way more patience with you then any bouncer in ATL. Yes, he is that bad off the field.
Do they really play baseball in New Hampshire?
July 14th, 20101:29 pm
Good trade for this season and who knows what Escobar will turn out to be in the long run? Will he turn into the player everyone hoped he would be…considering how strong last season was for him…everyone expected him to build on it, but he regressed big time…some of it was the injury in the early part of the season…but folks move on.
If you are worried about Braves future at SS don’t be.
We’ve got Salcedo(blue chip prospect everyone wanted), Lipka (first pick in the draft this year) and Mycal Jones (who’s tearing up Myrtle Beach) all at SS in the future.
We also did addition by subtraction just by getting rid of Jo-Jo Reyes who is a career AAAA pitcher.
How Wren managed to get quality prospects in the deal is the real bonus for the Braves. We’ve got a lefty reliever who has a very high K rate per inning…in AA which is as close as you can prove that you can get people out in the bigs. On top we’ve got another SS prospect in return with speed 20 plus SB.
While I appreciated Esco’s talent, he was a bit of a head case (even his supporters can’t deny it) and is way too up and down this season. Also, the lack of power numbers and low slugging is right down disturbing.
If Alex Gonzalez comes in, hits .250, plays good D, and hits 10 HR and 20 Doubles for the rest of the year that’ll be fine by me.
Let's Go Bravos!
Why dooes so many people like Corey Hart? He has the goofiest swing I have seen in a while. He strikes out a lot because he’s swinging up at the ball trying to hit homeruns. I’d rather have someone with a good swing that has power to drive the gaps and hit a few dingers!
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