12:16 pm July 14, 2010, by AJC Sports
July 14th, 201012:45 pm
Another Venezuelan to the Braves. AGonzales will fit in PERFECTLY with Prado, Infante, Blanco and Eddie Perez.
I for one like this trade. Escobar I just cant explain what happened
What do the Braves look like long term in the shortstop position, ie. minor league prospects? I know they signed some really young kid for way down the line, but is there anyone else a couple of years out?
There are no long term repercussions if we go to the series. I doubt Yunel is going to turn into Arod.
I would hate to relive the Mark Texiera debacle again!
What? This couldn’t come close to Teixeira. Everything about this is different in every possible way. Or are you saying you’ll really be bummed when Jo-Jo gets up to the majors for the Jays? I would think every Brave fan on the planet has worn thin on Jo-Jo. Me, I’d have given Jo-Jo away. I see this as Escobar for Gonzalez and two minor leaguers. Jo-Jo is just carrying the bags.
those of you worried about a future SS…you need to check out the guy in Rome. Edward Salcedo. Incredible! The Braves will be fine.
Mike from Toronto
I think Braves fans will be pleased with Gonzo, but this is obviously a calculated risk. Gonzo has arguably been one of the top 2-3 SS offensively in the league this season and has always had a stellar glove. He’s instantly going to improve your offense and, by all accounts, is a good guy in the room.
The trade-off, obviously, is Escobar’s age vs. Gonzo’s and Yunel’s ceiling. Sure, he’s having an off-year, but he’s a proven hitter and just 27-years-old, whereas Alex is 33 and having a career year.
Does this give the Braves a better chance to win now? I would say definitely. This is a clear upgrade right now. Will it hurt them down the line? It very well could, but that remains to be seen.
July 14th, 201012:46 pm
After eating crow for blasting Wren and company for acquiring Troy Glaus, I’m going to keep my mouth shut on this deal at least until I see A. Goz play. He sounds like a player with his head in the game, which will fit in nicely with our clubhouse. I liked Yunel, but the important thing is maintaining the good vibes in the clubhouse and producing wins. If you can’t do one or the other or both, then it’s time to go.
20 homers…Frank you’re delusional.
Bye bye Escobar….too erratic for my liking, and presumably Bobby Cox’s liking also. Welcome to Braves Country Alex Gonzalez!!! McCann got us homefield advantage, now let’s go take it!
So what happens if Frank waited for Escobar to turn it up the second half, and he never does? Some of you same fans would be complaining anyway.
I like Escobar’s defense, and he had a solid second half last year. But the Braves are trying to get in position to win a world series now. And I think Gonzalez helps the club offensively despite a .259 BA.
Nice move by Wren. Yunel was just way too immature. I am so glad to see him gone. We needed another home run hitter. Can’t wait to see #2 at SS. Go BRAVES!!!!!!!
Knew this was coming, hate to give up on Escobar, but his attitude was not improving and you had to put up with one bonehead move per week. Just not a Brave.
Gonzalez is his defensive equal without the bonehead stuff, the attitude, and he has a little power. Good 7-8 hitter.
And while YE had great seasons the last three, he was dismal at the plate this year. Gonzalez has 17 more HRs at the break.
Gonzalez ought to be able to fill that job for this year and next at a reasonable cost until Salcedo gets here. Frank must really like the reports he’s getting on Salcedo.
July 14th, 201012:47 pm
“The Braves also got left-handed minor-league pitcher Tim Collins…” I would trade Kawakami for a Tom Collins right now.
AG will play well this year…and next.
I am liking this move more and more. Let’s see what happens.
Eric in Dallas
Cannot believe the comments I read above in support of Escobar. The Braves should have rid themselves of him last year. He was our designated out this year coupled with a pi** poor attitude, lacked hustle, was a hot dog and bush leaguer who was never going to amount to a hill of beans. Simply because he could not get rid of the chip on his shoulder, and why did he have such an attitude. He was playing for a wonderful organization, a great manager, fantastic team mates, in first place and all that was asked of him, be a professional, and hustle, but no that was too much to ask of this prima dona. Good bye and good riddance is all I have to say. Welcome to the Braves Alex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 14th, 201012:48 pm
Kind of saw this coming the other night when Bobby went Ric Flair on that chair in the dugout after Esco tried to get Glaus killed…
A-Gon will be good for the clubhouse. He plays the game the right way, the Braves way.
Since the Braves inherit the club option on Gonzalez, it’s fair to assume he will be our SS through next season. If it works, re-sign him; if not that’s plenty of time to plan for the future. Not sure when Esco’s contract expired, probably 2012 (that would be five years of service). So we’ve only speeded the clock up by a season.
The WS field is wide open this year. It may be the best chance for a while we have to win it – great move.
This is clearly a short term fix and it was a good trade. Escobar needs to grow up on the field and maybe a change of scenery will help him? Another veteren in the clubhouse. The only thing that scares me is that we have no SS in the system ready to come up. We did have one but we traded Elvis to the Rangers. That was one that we should have kept.
seems like the consensus of the commenters here is that wren made a terrible trade, which only makes me more confident that it was a good move.
July 14th, 201012:49 pm
I really don’t even get the people that say we traded Escobar for Gonzalez to win “NOW!” Right “NOW” I’d still take Yunel over Alex freaking Gonzalez.. congrats on your career year, A-Go, you’ve been around long enough for me to know that you suck… Bad, bad move.
Wow! I clicked on the Internet with my home page being the AJC, and couldn’t believe my eyes.
Escobar defenitely is talented but he for some reason couldn’t put it together this season.
Good move by Frank Wren. He’s being proactive in making his team better.
If Heyward and Mclouth come back, they don’t need another OF.
Escobar’s career fielding percentage: .974
Gonzalez’s career fielding perecentage: .971
Gonzalez is much better offensively.
What do we know about the two minor leaguers?
hate hate hate hate hate this deal.
WOW…is right! I first saw this on Facebook. I really, really, really hate to lose Yunee, but I just think the organization lost patience with him. I like that with this trade, the Braves also received a minor-league SS to come with Alex. I THINK I like this trade. But I’m with a lot of folks who would have liked Yunee on the bench and Omar as starting SS. Perhaps that would have lit a fire under him? I don’t know. And, we won’t know now. Welcome to Atlanta — Alex, Tim & Tyler!
probably will end with 20 homers frank, in that non-pitching american league.
When wa the last time the Braves got rid of a player they didnt want at all that went on to do anything
July 14th, 201012:50 pm
why didn’t you trade escobar when he was healthy and his stats were up? he’s been on the hit list for awhile, and it doesn’t make sense to do it now.
no no no no no no no no no no
This move definitely improves your chances this year. Win now is apparently how the Braves are looking at things and really that’s the only way to look at things, the here and now.
For 13 years they built teams for the long haul and won only one title. Go get it while it’s there to be gotten, next year and year after are too far away.
Frank Wren has cut out a cancer from this team. Thank you for getting rid of a serious attitude problem which was only getting worse
July 14th, 2010
I’ll take that bet Frank…name the amount
I like this move. I’ve never been an Escy fan– too much ego and a head case.
What still worries me is Booby Cox liklihood of putting McLouth and Diaz back in the lineup. The team has done very well without them. McLouth especially should never be in the lineup again.
I still think we need more/better starting pitching. Get rid of Lowe and JJ.
July 14th, 201012:51 pm
COREY HART !!!!!!!!
I’m excited about trade but I hope we don’t bat Gonzales high in the batting order. He is all power free swinger that gets on base less than .300 with a less than .800 ops. This isn’t an all star, its a strike out guy to do some damage in the 7 or 8 hole.
Think Adam Dumb without the walks.
Ross at 12:37, you’re spot on. I don’t care what escobar does with the jays, nothing to do with what this Braves team is doing. This is a great move for the Braves. Gonzo is steady if not spectacular, great in teh clubhouse. He won’t hit 10 dongs here, just need consistant everyday solid play. Great move.
An individual with all the talent in the world who, for whatever the reason, doesn’t use it on “EVERY” play, is a liability. Good luck to young Mr. Escobar, hope he can find a resolution to his problems…
According to Fan Graphs Ultimate Zone Rating per 150 defensive games over the last three calendar years, Gonzalez is slightly ahead of Escobar defensively.
Escobar is the better on-base guy but Gonzalez is a noticeably better slugger.
The Braves will have to deal with outs more often but when Gonzalez does hit, he’ll provide more power. Plus Gonzalez seems to improve their run prevention.
Whew! Thank you Wren, It’s been a long time coming! Escobar, even last year, was nothing but a rally killer. He was good for hitting into at least one double play a game it seems. Maybe the change will be good for him. He is not a class act, like the other Braves are. Truth hurts sometimes. Even if Gonzalez is with us one year, it is worth it.
Matt – “UHF” where’s my extra dab?
July 14th, 201012:52 pm
Since we were throwing away a crummy minor leaguer, couldn’t Wren have thrown in Jordan Schafer?? I liked Escobar, not sure about this trade…….but it seems they’re trying to win it all this year. Wren has disappointed me in some areas, like the Melky debacle, McLouth and Tommy Hanson needs to work on his curveball in a big way(please, don’t hang it EVERY time!) but getting Glaus, moving Prado into the starting lineup and keeping Hudson have been solid moves.
Bobby Dicks (Braves Manager)
I want to have sex with Karen Handle, Vicki Locke and fromer Mayor Shirley Franklin if my buddy Arthur Blank has finished with her.
Ryan, looks like the brewers want only young pitching for hart. What do we have to give up for that??
ZERO HOMERUNS JEFF…We’ve waited long enough for Yunel to change his attitude and his quality at bats…Plus he has stupid highlights. (his hair)
Yeah, Joe Simpson was very pointed in his criticism of Escobar this morning on 790. He thinks his sulking after making errors is affecting him at the plate as well and that zero home runs is unacceptable. This was really his only concern about the team.
Note from the editor: DOB is on a plane back to ATL now, so he’s not able to respond to some of your questions right away. Mark Bradley’s heading to press conference now.
July 14th, 201012:53 pm
Yunel will blossom again. Just like the Francouer trade, Yunel just needs to start fresh again with another team. Unfortunately, the Braves needed a good bat in the line-up this year, not whenever he decides to come out of his funk. Go Braves!
Sepplliggnng Chcekre, plaseae
I’ve actually heard that the Braves may target Hart.
Great move Frank!!! I hate to lose a great, young player like Yunel but the Braves are playing to win a World Series and win one this year… it’s not about years to come and developing young talent. I love this move and Alex Gonzalez dramatically improves our lineup. I love that Frank went out and got a great player that we can resign and it’s not a rent a player for the 2nd half of the season like Tex a few years ago. GO BRAVOS!!!!!!!!!
This appears to be a good move to make a run this year. That’s why the move was made. Send Bobby out a winner! Let’s hope that the different style of pitching does not throw AG off too bad and he can continue producing! Should be an exciting 2nd half of baseball
MVP/MVP….Go B’MAC”….This trade is good for the Braves,they got the best of this trade..JoJo was not cuttin it folks and the talent we got,well we just got the best of a TEX like trade..!!But lets not stop here F.Wren..We don’t have a center or right fielder folks…We have fill ins thank goodness they are doin OK at best…lets pull the block buster…Let trade for C Hart an R Braun of the brew crew…and sign them long term,now that ensure us the playoffs..!! and for the future do it now F Wren…get’er done” BRAVES…..Thank you B’MAC for giving us home field for WS…..MVP/MVP/MVP
This is a GREAT trade. Why does everybody keep calling Wren stupid? What has he done that is so terrible? Everyone was pissed when we didn’t get Griffey and blamed that on Wren-look at Griffey now. Everyone was mad when we traded the catching prospect to the White Sox for Vasquez and we got a good year out of him. Then everyone was mad when we turned around and traded Vasquez. Look at him now. Wren has put together a pretty good team no matter how you look at it. This team just feels different for some reason with everybody on the same page. Everybody that was, except Escobar. He had a terrible attitude. He would miss signs, not hustle and was very lackadasical. I for one am extremely excited about this trade. Let’s give Gonzalez a chance before we start bashing this trade. The guy has been around a long time and is a proven major leaguer, something Escobar will have to work for. Let’s go Braves!!!
July 14th, 201012:54 pm
I for one will miss Yunel’s game. I think he could be a top SS in the future. Best of luck to both. Maybe a change of location will be good for them.
MARK WHO??? kidding
I’d like to see what the players think of this.
Just a little worried that this will come back to bite us w/ an AG injury and Yunel having a great second half.
But we shall see. I do like this trade though. (I think). No, I do. Wait, do I?
I knew this was going to happen when I watched Yunel soft toss the ball to Glaus the other day, nearly causing him to break his wrist when tagging the runner out. Yunel just doesn’t have his head in the game, but he does have a high ceiling. Gonzalez is going to be great for us and we do have that club option for next year. I guess we now need to take the money we’ll get back next year for not signing chipper and rebuild that side of our defense. In reality, we’re going to need a solid 3rd baseman, a good young shortstop to eventually replace the new guy and then you have to keep in mind that Glaus isn’t getting any younger. How can we get a Longoria type? Who is out there? I’m excited about this trade.
I get the distinct impression that many posters here don’t actually watch baseball. This is a great trade for the Braves. Gonzalez is a fine defensive SS with a solid bat for the position, and will help hte first-place Braves win this year and next. Collins is an exciting young arm with very high upside (think Braves closer of the future, possibly as soon as next year). Yunel’s “potential” should have been realized already . . . instead, he’s 27 and having the worst season of his career. Potential is great when you’re 24, but at 27 that ship has sailed. Nicely done by the Bravos.
Fact is, Escobar was traded because he is self centered player with an extremely lackadaisical and aloof attitude that will guarantee you periodic brain dead plays and efforts. This was move was a necessary inevitability despite Escobar’s potential.
To particular recent plays stand out to me that illustrate this. Obviously, that ridiculous lolly pop throw to Gloss the other day that almost got his wrist broke, and then later in the Mets series, he hit a ground ball back to the pitcher and he stopped running half way down the baseline and went back to the dug out. The unwritten rule in baseball is that you always run out every single play to first, no matter how out you may be. When I saw that, I said woah, he probably won’t be around that much longer.
Cliff M, “just like the Francouer trade?”, I believe he’s heading to the bench tomorrow up in NY.
Also: O’Brien covered Gonzalez when Gonzalez played for the Marlins, so he’ll give some insight later.
I think the best part of this trade was FINALLY getting rid of JO-JO!!!
The Real Brave
July 14th, 201012:55 pm
Glad to see we may have him next year as well
How can ANYONE say this wasn’t a good trade? Escobar had become a pouty, whiny, no-hustling, bad attitude having, head case liability to the Braves. And I don’t even want to bring up that weak throw to Glaus that caused him to get hurt. Yeah Esco got on Bobby’s bad side BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HUSTLE. And thank God Jo-Jo is gone. Too bad we couldn’t ship Chavez off as well.
July 14th, 2010
I’m laughing hysterically at that comment right now! Good one!!
Let me put myself on the record as NOT being an Esco-hater, just because I think I like this trade (see some previous comments above). I’ve supported this guy long enough. I think the change in scenery will do him good. The problem is is whenever this happens, these darn guys go on to their new teams and tear the cover off the ball! That’s soooo frustrating! Sighhhh…
why is everyone saying escobar is young? the guy is going to be 28 he just acts like a kid. i think totonto fans are going to be upset they just got the dumbest guy in baseball.
July 14th, 201012:56 pm
Great trade for the Braves.There is no doubt that Escobar has a lot of talent.But at same-time Escobar sometime just did not run hard .Also maybe it was just me but it seem like sometime that Escobar did not care what is going on.And if the braves are wining or losing .Getting a guy like Alex Gonzalez a great guy in the clubhouse as well someone with alt of power.And also getting 2 good prospects a guy SS who was the Jay 5th rd pick in 08.And a good pitcher.Great job Frank
JO-JO can now Go-GO. Best part. He was never going to be a starter here.
thank God i do not half to watch that cancer play for the braves ever again! nor jojo reyes! great day. yunell still has an upside but he wore out his welcome with his poor attitude, lack of hustle, and most of all lack of focus.
July 14th, 201012:57 pm
THE FUTURE AT SS… TWO WORDS… (Edward Salcedo…. He’s Only 18 Years Old)
And we DO NOT need Corey Hart. Adam Dunn would do though.
Frankly, Frank, I was sick of Yunel’s attitude. I don’t think this is the long term answer at SS, but it gives us more pop for the playoff run. Great job in dumping Reyes and picking up a quality rising pitcher too!
Now, how about a bat in the OF too?
What a bunch of idiot bloggers!!!!! Anyone who thinks Escobar will be missed is a joke. Who do they think we could of got for him? I think it was a great trade,
GTSteve and Gary, you will see…did you think Kelly Johnson would be atop the HR list in the NL???? think about it…
i think i can put into perspective how most people are feeling
it’s sort of like when francoeur left last year…you hate to see a guy that’s been playing with the braves, come up with them and then leave the team
we feel he had so much potential/talent and it’s almost like we overvalue him because we think he can do so much more
on the other hand, he wasn’t producing and he makes boneheaded plays routinely, so it may be for the best for both parties
the one thing i don’t like is gonzalez is 33, but if he adds pop to the lineup (which we desperately need) i’m sure i’ll be behind him as most of you will too
The Bird and Indian
July 14th, 201012:58 pm
I don’t know about this one.
Mark Bradley Giving us some Insight, YAY!
Gonzalez’s power numbers will come down dramatically in the NL, “Bank on it!” He strikes out too much and he hit in 4 hitter friendly parks in the AL East…
Don’t like this move, but at the same Time Wren is trying to come Correct and Go All Out Like A Soldier in Bobby Cox’s last year…
How stupid is Frank Wren??? We just got our answer. Escobar is struggling at the plate yes, but his defenese definitley makes up for that.
Let's Go Bravos!
July 14th, 201012:59 pm
Don’t say that this is a bad move for the future. It’s so difficult to win the World Series that we need to take our chances now to try and win it all. If we can win the Series this year, we Atlanta fans can hold onto that for several years until we win another one. Our lineup is going to change drastically in the next few years with Chip retiring, we probably can’t keep Glaus too much longer, and Jurgens will be gone when he is a free agent thanks to Scott Boras.
Let’s win it this year! We beat the Yankees in six games this year using our home field advantage!
July 14th, 2010
Anyone know how many errors Gonzalez has this season?
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I’m Shedding Crocodile Tears For Jo-Jo Reyes (Sarcasm)…
This was GREAT move for the Braves! Escobar was a slacker & Reyes is a loser! So, we have lost little to nothing & gotten a proven power hitter at shortstop!
To the comment stated that Escobar just needs a change of scenery to thrive like the Francouer trade, Francouer has hardly blossomed. He is as mediocre as he’s ever been. He’s hitting at .253, with 8 home runs, and 42 RBI’s. That’s hardly blossoming. With Escobar’s self centered prima donna attitude, I don’t think he’ll ever realize his potential.
I’m with Casey. Who WOULDN’T want Adam Dunn?? I’m sure he’d love to be with the Braves — going from worse to first in the NL East!
They had to throw in Escobar to get someone to take JoJo.
July 14th, 20101:00 pm
Even though he was a head case imma miss Esco. If he gets his mind right he could be on of the top 5 shortstops in all of baseball. He was a disaster this year though- maybe a change of scenery will do him good.
Gonzalez has a good glove but his .296 OBP is pretty frightening. Hopefully he’ll keep hitting homers but I doubt he can match his first half numbers.
looking forward to DOB’S thoughts. I think this really improves our team
package the 2 prospects you got for escobar and throw in schafer and mike dunn and get corey hart
Great Trade!!!! Glad the head case is gone!!!!!!!!
July 14th, 20101:01 pm
Coaches refer to a player like Escobar as a “terd”. He is selfish, arrogant, and a pain to coach. He has all of the ability in the world, but I would not want to coach him! He only cares about himself. GOOD JOB FRANK WREN!!!!!!!!!!
July 14th, 20101:02 pm
I think a lot of people are overstating the role Escobar’s personality played in the trade. Sure, I’m sure it didn’t help him stick around. But I think the major reasons for the trade are that Gonzalez is slightly better defensively and he has more power (the Braves are 13th in the league in slugging). If Escobar was hitting well above average with the same personality, do you really think the Braves trade him? Personality is only a minor factor but I’m sure we are going to hear a lot about it as if it was the main factor.
33 YEARS OLD….NOT A GOOD MOVE EVEN IF HE IS HAVING A GREAT YEAR POWER WISE….ESCO CAN FIELD WITH THE BEST OF EM’
@ pete puma I’m 75, believe me, 28 is young !!
cucamondo cracka killas
Letting go of Furcal= Bad, he was future allstar Elvus Andrus= Bad, once again future allstar. Escobar=???????????
Bye, Yunel Escobar, I am glad I don’t have to watch you play anymore! You jerk!
I’m a bit shocked about this deal. I know Yunel is having a down year and all, but he’s as likely to bounce back in the second half this year as Alex Gonzalez keeping up his career year pace, imho.
As a fan, I hope this deal works out. I got to wonder if Yunel’s poor throw to Glaus a couple of games ago caused some further clubhouse conflict or something. This is no Francoeur deal of last year
July 14th, 20101:03 pm
It would be great if we could get Hart…maybe send the new kid Collins and Kawakami over to get him.
Ooo yeah… .296 OBP will raise an eyebrow or two
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