12:16 pm July 14, 2010, by AJC Sports
Bartholomew (Bat) Masterson
July 14th, 20105:48 pm
They just added some thump. I don’t really care what he’s done the rest of his career. He’s not a long-term solution. All I know is that in 2010 he’s been more pruductive than our SS.
I just hope the new clubhouse does not bring him to, and he does not do what he has always done best. Because what he does best, by far, is make outs.
July 14th, 20105:49 pm
I think Escobar’s attitude and his lack of production had both become concerns. By dumping him for Gonzalez, Wren was able to address both of these concerns. Still, Escobar has to be a secondary concern when compared to the need for an outfield bat. I really feel like the Braves are gonna need that bat if they want to get past the first round of the playoffs.
I’m puzzled as to why Wren chose to make this trade now. Isn’t it possible that Escobar could have been used in a package to acquire that bat, and that Gonzalez or another a stop-gap shortstop could have been acquired without Escobar?
I would really like to get DOB’s honest opinion on this trade. Not sure if he’ll actually give us one.
I think that the criticism of the Braves farm systems is really pretty accurate. The system is ranking highly because to the long list of talented pitching prospects, but the system is really bereft of talented position players. Past Freeman, it would be hard to find a piece that any club would be interested in acquiring right now. I think the presence of a few great prospects have obscured the fact that the position player cupboard is mostly empty.
jeffrescobar d :(
AG hits .236 and slugs .381 after the ASG
July 14th, 20105:50 pm
I wouldnt mind seeing Melky go. I keep hearing people call him a good outfielder but he looks like Manny Ramirez out there to me sometimes turning the wrong way on the ball, or just getting bad jumps off the bat and I think that if McClouth can get healthy he can improve his numbers in the second half. Is the stadium out in Toronto considered a hitters park or a pitchers park?
July 14th, 20105:52 pm
willingham would be nice in left field.
It’s easier to put up with some of that stuff when the guy is hitting .300,” one Braves player said on Saturday afternoon, less than 24 hours after Escobar had made a lazy throw that pulled Troy Glaus off first base and in jeopardy of suffering a serious injury during the sixth inning of a 4-0 win over the Mets. -Bowman’s story
Gotta say I don’t like stuff like this. Its kind of contradictory. If you are going to keep things in house, keep them in house. Speaking on them anonymously isn’t keeping things in house, its just saving face for the people saying it. I understand fans are not privy to everything thats why I always stay on the side that no one knows whats going on in there but the guys in there. Thats why I don’t mind when they withhold information from the public for the bettermeant of the team, but how is giving information anonymously suppose to fall under that category? That seems worse for team chemistry to me than just speaking out honestly and putting a name behind it. Either way the information is getting out there.
July 14th, 20105:55 pm
Gonzalez is also from Venezuela. He and Marteeen should get along great! What a DP combo….
(This coming from the book of Yunel and Bryan, long lost friends)
July 14th, 20105:56 pm
*another vote for Willingham in left*
“AG hits .236 and slugs .381 after the ASG”
July 14th, 20105:58 pm
Supes, Yunel may never get better. Does not matter. I cant get excited about a guy who strikes out 100+ times per year and walks less than Frenchy. Sorry.
I have no problem moving Yunel. I liked him, and thought that he would come around, but if they feel the need to move him, thats great. I just hate to see him get traded for a guy who is older, does not fit in with the Braves approach at the plate, and has worse career numbers.
Its clear that the Braves downgraded, otherwise there would have been no need for the Jays to throw in prospects. So, well all feel we have a WS contending team, and we downgraded our defense in the hopes that some guy having a career year might hit some home runs while he strikes out 60+ times in the next three months.
Esco was not good this year. No argument. But to sell so low because our “HOF” mgr. couldn’t deal w/ him is wrong. Esp. considering Fredi is the next mgr. This team isn’t 10 out at the break. Age (nearing prime), contract status (cheap a few more yrs), team control (3 more yrs) has to be considered for a mid market club. It wasn’t – this ones going to haunt Wren. Stop the “not an ATL type player” crap too. Womanizing drunk plays 3B and we all (me too!) love him – even when he’s been as bad as Yunel the 1st half. To clarify, I do not like this trade, but hope Alex gets thru customs whatever he was taking in TOR.
July 14th, 20105:59 pm
Did McFann get the day off from the blog since McCann won MVP last night
Gone Viral, glad you bookmarked that. You dont seem to realize that those are almost identical to his career numbers over a 12 year sample size.
His splits are good he has hit everywhere this year on the road and at home. He has been real good with RISP. One of his biggest faults is he swings at everything he sees but maybe TP can help him with his OBP. One thing I hate to see in a non power hitter is the inability to hit the other way. He has 0 hits the other way this year. Mclouth is the same way 1 hit the other way.
July 14th, 20106:00 pm
Nationals have high price tags on Willingham and Dunn. and do we really want to trade some of our top young pitching talent to a divisonal team? Also Willingham has had back injury concerns, I like him but i’m sure there asking for alot.
July 14th, 20106:02 pm
The 2.5 million is less than Yunel will make in Arbitration, because he is a lesser player.
I wouldn’t worry about trading talent within the division. We’re so awesome that we’ll replenish it. Have no fear.
lol, she’s probably still out celebrating GTSteve
July 14th, 20106:03 pm
“Gone Viral, glad you bookmarked that.”
Gonzo has a career 666 OPS after the break. He is clearly the Devil.
July 14th, 20106:04 pm
“AG hits .236 and slugs .381 after the ASG”
Since those are his career stats, you could just look then up.
CB – that’s a good way to look at things.
Esco was not good this year. No argument. But to sell so low because our “HOF” mgr. couldn’t deal w/ him is wrong. Esp. considering Fredi is the next mgr.
Gotta agree, selling low is my biggest problem with it. If they wanted him gone that bad they would have done it when his value was high this summer and they could have gotten more.
July 14th, 20106:08 pm
This is not that bad of a trade. The Braves still get a young shortstop to count on and a good young pitcher, while ridding themselves of Jo Jo Reyes and headcase Escobar.
It is shocking the Braves were able to get anything for Reyes and it is very good to see he will not be called up ever again for the Braves.
There is nothing we can do about losing Elvis Andrus. But trading Escobar, who is having a pathetic season, was important if this team was going to win THIS YEAR. Escobar was a threat in close games and he had the worst average with runners in scoring position for the Braves. He was also becoming a concern on defense, evident with his loft throw to Glaus that almost broke his damn wrist. Glaus is far more important this year than Escobar.
As for the future, the Braves have two young SS in the minors that have potential.
Escobar’s value was an all-time low, and he was becoming too much of a play risk for the first place Braves. I really do not understand the naysayers
There are “long term” moves and “win now” moves. You can not always make only one type of moves and succeed. This is clearly a “win now” move. We can analyze career numbers and what Yunel did last year. For this year what matters most to Wren, Bobby and the team are that Yunel was producing enough and A.Gonz might. That was enough for this year and possibly the next. We are mostly bloggers and dont have the resources/info that DOB, GMs and managers have. So inspite of the fact that most dont like losing Esco or getting someone not so superstar-like, we have to admit that they know what they are doing and with some reasons. If the “win now” move works out and we get to the post-season and win it all – everything will be forgotten.SO I suggest people relax and wait to see what happens instead of downright dismissing this. The fact that enough articles/blogs/reports have been quoted and there isnt quite a good enough consensus (based on talent alone) is good enough for me to think that this has a decent chance of working out in our favor.You add to that the intangibles of experience, clubhouse chemistry and all that.. it might end up fine. A.Gonz is not going to be around long enough for us to be a Hampton like issue. He is going to be surrounded by superstars who will bear the burdens and he will add whatever little he can – hopefully more than Esco did this season.
Well I think AG and Infante will split time at Short. AG is hitting 273. vs RHP compared to 213. vs LHP
July 14th, 20106:09 pm
I really hope AG has a career second half to match his first half, and we waltz into the WS on his bat. I really hope that Wren knows something we all dont, and that this is a magical trade that we will look back on like we to the McGriff or JJJ trades.
I just dont see it happening. Stats are real. Players only go so far one way or another from their career stats before you see regression or a correction. The bigger the sample size, the more accurate. AG has a huge sample size, and its not pretty.
July 14th, 20106:10 pm
“If they wanted him gone that bad they would have done it when his value was high this summer and they could have gotten more.”
Who would have realistically predicted he’d have been this dreadful in our first 88 games? His OPS of .611 is third lowest (!) among NL qualifiers. There are a lot of people who don’t have a true appreciation of just how much of a trainwreck he’s been at the plate…and that’s -before- we factor in his overhead.
Good trade. I liked Yunel. I think he worked hard and kept his defense up even though he was in a hitting slump. I wish him well.
July 14th, 20106:12 pm
I’m just glad we got a 1999 All-Star out of this deal. That’s a good luck charm. That’s the last time we made the World Series. 1999.
The stars have aligned.
July 14th, 20106:13 pm
This trade means one thing. The Braves coaches, management and many of his teamates were done dealing with Yunel being Yunel. A roll of the dice but the Braves were getting nothing from the SS position so it should help in the short term.
July 14th, 20106:14 pm
Jerry: for the love of all things… if Escobar’s ONLY problem were that he could not hit, he’d still be in Atlanta. Hell, we put up with Greg Norton, Garrett Anderson, JEEZ – Nate McLouth!!!
The Braves never throw the departed under the bus; that’s why they are the classy organization they are, and not the Seattle Mariners or the Cub’s Zambrano. But the worst kept secret in town was what a cancer Escobar was and what a crappy teammate he was. The guy was taken under the wing of every Hispanic in Atlanta. Hell, I thought they were going to exhume Roberto Goizueta and have him mentor Yunel.
There is only one thing to do with cancer – cut it out.
civilized white trash
if and thats a big if a gonz hits like he did in tronto the braves dont need the rh power outfield bat they can then turn and look for the best possible outfielder on the market
Fredi had the same problem with hanely. What makes some
people think that fredi could have turned escobar around.
July 14th, 20106:15 pm
Chop Chop: the stars aligned when McCann belted that liner to the RF corner. Your reference is just gravy.
July 14th, 20106:18 pm
Hey remember the Braves came very close to trading him for Gil Meche last summer. Hopefully AG hits 10 and drives in 40 in the second half. That would make this a good trade.
I really do think the lollipop throw to Glaus the other day was the final straw.
I have a feeling DOB will shed some light on this when he returns to the blog – might have some more liberty to explain what the team thought of Escobar and his antics.
It’s not as if they traded the guy JUST BECAUSE of his attitude. I think we all understand if he was still hitting like a major-leaguer (you know, a slg. pct above .300) and driving the ball like he did last year, he would still be in Atlanta.
But he was hitting with the power of Rafael Belliard. With a similar average. 19 RBIs at the break is ludicrous – especially considering he had FIVE in the season-opener. That’s three months with 14 RBIs from your “talented” shortstop. Ok then.
July 14th, 20106:20 pm
Of course, the Braves were swept right out of the playoffs by the Yanks in 1999. If the stars are aligning like that, I’d rather the stars stop doing it.
I agree with your comments about selling higher in the offseason. I guess everybody in the organization was hoping(falsely) that he had matured this off season. Sounds like they decided to make a run this season change had to happen right now. Hindsight, would have been nice to see who they could have got last summer in return but imagine the blog reaction dealing him after a productive season. I think they showed as much patience as possible.
July 14th, 20106:21 pm
That’s an odd way to say they were swept out of the World Series, but it is technically accurate.
I am new to this game called base-ball.
July 14th, 20106:23 pm
Billy Walsh: that answer, at least from me, is no one south of the Mason/Dixon line could’ve turned Yunel around…
‘Cept F. Castro.
kinda reminds me of the brett boone situation, booby dog house never loses!!!!
July 14th, 20106:24 pm
Chili – no argument that Yunel has disappointed, although it was awesome to watch him flash the glove around at times.
For me, and I think others, the frustration is in the return we got for him, the timing of this, and the idea that we gave up on a big time talent (again) because we could not get him to perform up to expectations.
July 14th, 20106:26 pm
Yunel will make a lot more in arbitration than $2.5MM. Whole system is upside down where arb-eligible playhers with lesser numbers make more than pure post-arb free agents. Go figure, but it is the truth. DOB can tell us what Yunel might project to – at least $4MM+
July 14th, 20106:27 pm
I really want Carl Crawford on this team next year but I dont know if we can afford him. Ive heard the Angels are interested. Who else?
July 14th, 20106:28 pm
I don’t know whether/how many times this has been posted, but both minor league players we acquired are assigned to AA Mississippi.
The A Bomb
July 14th, 20106:30 pm
READ BETWEEN THE LINES….
Troy Glaus – Not the long-term solution
Alex Gonzalez – Not the long-term solution
Chipper Jones – Not the long-term solution
Matt Diaz/Eric Hinske – Not the long-term solution
Takashi Saito – Not the long-term solution
Billy Wagner – Not the long-term solution
Bobby Cox – Not the long-term solution
Folks — Wren has a team in 1st place and the Braves are seizing the moment by going for it RIGHT NOW.
If Chipper is indeed retiring that extra money freed up can go to deal for that big bat RIGHT NOW.
You can look to 2011 after the World Series. The system is looking good for that.
Today, we got rid of an out in our lineup — a rally killer who allowed opposing teams to throw nothing but breaking balls to guys like Hinske. That’s why Hinske’s K totals have been up lately.
There’s no way they’re done — best news would be if Chipper HAS told them he’s retiring so that extra money can go toward a longer term big bat outfielder.
July 14th, 20106:31 pm
they were sick of esco. So he’s gone. Suprised we got so much for him and we got to get rid of Uh-Oh Reyes.
July 14th, 20106:33 pm
I hear ya. I really thought Escobar was going to be a star. I really did.
It just wasn’t working. Never in a million years did I think he would turn into an all-glove, no-hit shortstop from the 1980s. But that’s basically what he’s become.
It’s insane that he’s had 14 RBIs over the last 84 games. That’s almost impossible with how often the guys in front of him get on base. But oh well. He really was having a terrific year defensively. I’ll miss the arm. For sure.
But this move, obviously, was made for THIS year. Bobby’s LAST year. Can’t overlook that. Maybe Yunel turns into Hanley once he gets to Toronto – I guess that’s a possibility (not a very good one, mind you).
But it seems pretty obvious, for whatever reason, that it wasn’t going to happen in Atlanta.
So they cut bait. Got a live bat – that will cost LESS than Yunel would have in 2011 – and a couple of prospects. And got rid of Jo Jo in the process. Not the end of the world.
July 14th, 20106:37 pm
Checked in to see folks’ responses to the Esco trade. What surprises me the most is the number of names of denizens here that are new to me. I have not checked in for a while but most of those regular names that I read regularly before are gone. Have all they been traded too? It’s nice to see the new faces and their comments though, don’t take me wrong.
anyone know anything bout AG’s contract?
July 14th, 20106:38 pm
I feel like if Gonzo can play steady D and keep his head in the games and fit in and provide a clutch hit once in a while, everything will be fine. The problem I have is that historically August and Sept. are Gonzo’s worst and they are Yunel’s best. Makes you wonder if FW considered these like he did LaRoche last season or if Yunel just had to go regardless. Gonzo whiffs every 5 AB’s regardless of RHP or LHP, Yunel once every 8 times against RHP and once every 10 times against LHP. Usually hits .300 in the last 2 months. Should be interesting at least to see what happens.
July 14th, 20106:39 pm
Bobby Hill – a long list of pitching prospects in the minors = prospects at every base. Pitching prospects are aces compared to jacks.
Also – DOB will give us his opinion, no doubt.
July 14th, 20106:40 pm
I think DOB usually stays pretty neutral
July 14th, 20106:42 pm
jeffrescobar, I see your still sad.
we pay AG aroind 1.1 mil for rest of season and then we have a team option of 2.5 mil for 2011.
The 40 Blue Jay fans in Toronto are going bonkers. What a steal a SS in his prime developed in a winning organization. How long until they grow tired of the pouting. The picture posted earlier of Yunel with his bottom lip poked out is what I’ll remember about Yunel.
McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
July 14th, 20106:44 pm
Is this where people are hanging out now?
July 14th, 20106:45 pm
Soph – a little. The frowny face reflects how Escobar doesn’t smile when he turns a double play, though
July 14th, 20106:46 pm
Today, we got rid of an out in our lineup
And replaced him with a guy that makes outs at a much higher pace than Escobar ever did.
I hope it works.
GTSteve Did McFann get the day off from the blog since McCann won MVP last night
No way! I’ll take my days off when he doesn’t do so well…when he does something amazing, it’s more fun to post!!
I think so McFann. This is listed as the daily dob, clubhouse insider and everything else. seems like the ajc guy didnt know which title to choose and out it under everything. So until we get one from Carroll or DOB, we might as well hang out here.
July 14th, 20106:47 pm
McFann,we are all being quiet waiting on you.
Or when the team wins and he doesn’t celebrate like it’s 1999.
I say it’s more like this -
July 14th, 20106:48 pm
Thanks! I have a response to Lew, but I’m wasn’t sure where I should post it…
Anyone see Buster Olney on ESPN a few minutes ago?
Buster passed this on: He said earlier this season that Escobar wished a Braves player a happy b-day in the clubhouse. Buster said the player told Escobar what HE wanted from Esco for his bday is for ESCO to play hard that day!
That seems to about sum up the opinion of lots of players in the clubhouse. It seems he was the only one in the clubhouse that other players questioned his effort. Addition by subtraction.
I didn’t make this up…… I just reported it.
July 14th, 20106:49 pm
Tim Collins: Height, weight: 5 feet 7, 155
You’ve got to be kidding me, I’ve got a left leg bigger than that. This guy is getting professional hitters out? How embarrassing for them!
Any idea what number A-Gon will wear?
Ah, gee, thanks!
People have said many times places are much quieter without me…
July 14th, 20106:50 pm
That story can’t be true because Yunel would never wish somebody a happy birthday
Love the fact that Wren is making moves and next year, when Cox is gone, he can become Frank Wrenbrenner — if the guy’s not getting the job done, find someone else who will.
Should have done it with Chipper Dorn 3 years ago instead of adding Tex and subtracting 2 future All-Stars from the system. Enough on that.
Proves he’s learning from his mistakes. Go for it when you’re sure it’s in the cards, but the farm system is way too valuable to suck dry when you don’t have the horses.
jeffrescobar d :|
July 14th, 20106:51 pm
Soph – so you think Yunel’s more like this?
Wren didn’t trade for Teixeira, A Bomb
July 14th, 20106:52 pm
Yes, but with a nose.
July 14th, 20106:53 pm
The picture posted earlier of Yunel with his bottom lip poked out is what I’ll remember about Yunel.
…whereas I’ll remember the jaw-dropping defense he gave the team, when he was at his best.
But because he failed here (for whatever reasons there are), other folks will remember his “bottom lip” and forget all the posts they made last year, or the year before, or the year before, exalting him. “He’ll hit 20; he’ll hit .370 with RISP again; he’s the team MVP; he’s got the best glove in the league;” yada yada yada.
I do find it mildly humorous that I was the guy trying to tone down those outsized blog expectations in February, only to be called a “Yunel-lover” (called so with only slightly less animus than, say, “baby seal killer”) today.
Ah, well. That’s baseball, I guess.
No, I don’t think Yunel had a nose
July 14th, 20106:54 pm
He has a nose! He doesn’t have a neck.
Yeah jeffrey but he was involved with it. He’s learned what happens when you make a bad deal. That’s why I think he’s not anxious to give up prospects UNLESS there’s a payoff down the line. Like Vizcaino…. Marek… Collins etc.
A Bomb – JS was in the seat for the Tex trade
July 14th, 20106:55 pm
Yunel had a nose for killing any chance his team had to win anything.
You were the reason the Braves weren’t 20+ games over .500 at the break. I hope you drown in your tears, you traitor.
Isn’t Gonzales going to hit in the 5-6-7 area? I saw someone having him hit at 2. Unless we get an outfield bat, I still see a lot of Hinske subbing at first and playing LF, Infante at 3B, SS, LF, and Melky with his bat getting warm, and Diaz in LF until his bat gets cold. Cox will get all of these guys playing time. I wonder if our new SS will thrive in this environment. Hope so. Looks like nothing but a big upgrade for us, mainly addition by subtraction–we get much better chemistry, focus, professionalism, all of which contributes to . . . wins. If Gonzo gets only 9 more homers and 42 more RBIs, less than he has done so far, it’s a big upgrade even on paper.
“Anyone see Buster Olney on ESPN a few minutes ago?”
Yeah, that was pretty brutal. I notice he thinks Dunn winds up with the White Sox.
jeffrescobar d 8(:-|)--|
July 14th, 20106:56 pm
Why won’t it post his legs? The less than sign disappears
What in the world is that?
I can’t believe the number of people that have commented in Escobar’s facial expressions today.
I have a friend that tells people when he first meets them ” I’m not angry, that’s just my face”. Go figure.
jeffrescobar d 8(:-|)–| – anyway you can get frosted tips in that?
T for Texas
July 14th, 20106:57 pm
I hope you drown in your tears, you traitor.
I don’t think Benedict Arnold was traded to the English.
Again, I know Wren didn’t pull the trigger on the Tex trade, but he was in the office and was involved with the legwork…. what I’m saying is he was part of that experience and I think he has learned from it.
The 8 was my best attempt at Yunel’s ‘do
July 14th, 20106:58 pm
scoots,I thought I was going to have to send you and Lew to timeout today.
Bat – I think the worst was the guy who said that after a walkoff, Yunel was the last one out of the dugout, and he only mildly threw his hand in the air to celebrate
July 14th, 20106:59 pm
Has BAS been around? I know he had a “Save Yunel!” campaign going.
Just wing it.
OK! Wasn’t sure if it was s’posed to start out with some sort of salutation or something…
July 14th, 20107:00 pm
don’t think Benedict Arnold was traded to the English.
Played like it, though. You could tell by his body language, LOL.
Hey, I saw Escobar get pretty dang excited during some walk-offs.
T for Texas,
Don’t try to dissect my comment, you traitor.
July 14th, 20107:01 pm
Quit analyzing body language, you traitorous Yunel apologist.
chilidog75: uh, yes, you can get rid of someone because his attitude sucks, along with a piss-poor BA. But the Bravos have kept piss-poor BA’s married to a great clubhouse attitude. So, yeah, it was all about the crappy attitude.
July 14th, 20107:02 pm
OK! Wasn’t sure if it was s’posed to start out with some sort of salutation or something… _ McFann ;Ô; ;Ô;
You did not like my suggestion… Oh, Exalted One……….
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