1:58 pm June 30, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
McFann 1 :Ô: :Ô:
July 1st, 20103:21 pm
Foxsports.com cann be such a downer! Here’s what it says for McCann’s night last night:
News: Brian McCann cracked an RBI double on a 1-for-3 night as the Braves bested the Nationals 4-1. [-]
Impact: McCann’s night wasn’t bad, but he’s still struggling this year with a .260 average and only 33 RBI. He hasn’t driven in multiple runs since June 6 while going 0-fer three times over his last nine games.
I mean, OK, that’s all true and everything, but don’t be so pessimistic! (I know they’re not s’posed to be fans.)
July 1st, 20103:25 pm
Oh, up Fox Sports’ you-know-what for that review of McCann.
July 1st, 20103:27 pm
Wait, today’s the last day to vote? Y’all best be voting for some Bravos then.
July 1st, 20103:33 pm
bravesgrl4life Oh, up Fox Sports’…
Seriously, though, yeah, how ’bout a little credit where it’s due, eh? Sheeeeeesh…
Sopheeee Wait, today’s the last day to vote? Y’all best be voting for some Bravos then.
July 1st, 20103:39 pm
You guys want to hear something really funny. Golman Sachs says derivitives are secure because AIG insures said financial instrument.
July 1st, 20103:40 pm
haha…now that is hilarious!!
I like it.
July 1st, 20103:41 pm
Arod…..doing what he does, 2-run bomb to put the Yanks on top in the bot 8th.
Awesome! Just awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 1st, 20103:42 pm
July 1st, 20103:49 pm
McFann, I just noticed how you spelled “cann” in your post about “Foxsports.com cann be such a downer! Here’s what it says for McCann’s night last night:”
So was that subliminal?….That’s dedication to your boy!
July 1st, 20103:50 pm
not to go one way or the other with the Mike Minor thing and defense behind him being better but just to put something else in the hopper…
Just because a defense does not make an error behind him doesnt mean that he couldnt that defense is good. I would have to see what that defense looked like and see how many plays arent made that should be made that just dont show up in the books. With a K rate like that you have to be given the benefit of the doubt due to average outs per ball put in play (Im not exactly sure of the stat).
I would be interested in what the non-Braves scouts have to say about him.
July 1st, 20103:51 pm
The Eels? Not crazy about that.
This OTOH…….”brings it!”
…check your lips at the door woman, shake your hips like battleships,
all the white girls trip when i sing at Sunday service….
July 1st, 20103:52 pm
It’s become subliminal, yes! I started doing it in my diary a few years ago…just sort caught on!
That’s dedication to your boy!
Haha, thanks! I do my best.
July 1st, 20103:53 pm
Pretty trippy: girl wearing Flamenco dress, 2 thugs in wrestler’s masks and E with that Jeb Stuart circa 1863 beard – Awesome.
July 1st, 20103:55 pm
Escobar needs to stop worrying about freaking scoring rulings. If he’s that tied up in his error numbers then that seems like a problem to me. If he’s upset because he doesn’t make a play or something, that’s one thing, but being worried about what an official scorer ruled on a play he didn’t make is a damn joke and he needs to be better than that.
July 1st, 20103:57 pm
Flint…I agree with you.
funny he doesn’t worry about his slugging #s…or at least it appears that way
July 1st, 20103:58 pm
The fact that Chipper should even have to say, “Look, they changed the scoring. Now get your head in the game” is an absolute joke. I love Escobar’s talent and was very happy he wasn’t traded a couple of years ago when the Peavy rumors were going, but if that is the type of guy he is, where an official scorer can get his head out of the game, here’s hoping they move him this offseason.
July 1st, 20104:01 pm
Kris Medlen reminds me a lot of Greg Maddux. He has excellent control, a good two seamer(90-92mph), and one of the best changeups in the game. Plus the fact he is a terrific defender.
July 1st, 20104:03 pm
and they may, they just drafted that kid from Curaceau (sp) that they want to convert from SS to pitcher but he’s playingg SS now. Plus the kid from Miami, Mychal something who just got promoted to Rome and I think that’s where Salcedo is going to report.
July 1st, 20104:04 pm
The fact that Chipper should even have to say, “Look, they changed the scoring. Now get your head in the game” is an absolute joke.-Flintriverfunk
I agree. Worried about your stats when your team is trying to win a ballgame? Totally immature and unprofessional.
July 1st, 20104:05 pm
<ibut if that is the type of guy he is, where an official scorer can get his head out of the game, here’s hoping they move him this offseason.
Bubba, you got to have a slightly better reason than that to trade that kind of player. “Irritating” is a bad basis for a business decision of that magnitude.
July 1st, 20104:10 pm
Mycal Jones promoted to avanced A Myrtle Beach batting .370 in 17 games with a .397 obp. Supposedly, he can flat out fly around the bases and has suprised many with his skills.
July 1st, 20104:15 pm
The good, the Braves control Escobar for 3 more years and unfortunately for JJ, his shortened 2010 season may affect his arb wage in his first year of eligibility. Hey, it’s just a business and if Mycal Jones is the real deal, then all the better for the Braves.
July 1st, 20104:19 pm
if Mycal Jones is the real deal
This kid played college, I believe, so he’s probably 22 or 23 at A ball. Not what you would call high-ceiling. Plus, he’s smaller than some of Prince Fielder’s bats. You guys will probably have to scavenge elsewhere for an Escobar replacement, LOL.
Minor led AA Baseball in strikeouts. I can’t wait to read what all the bloggers who berated the organization for drafting him so high have to say when he has Medlen-like numbers in Lawrenceville. THIN
Medlen like numbers do not include an ERA over 4
July 1st, 20104:21 pm
Anyway, where did I say they should make a business decision because I thought it was “irritating”?
How would it be a bad business decision to move a guy that lets an official scorer’s ruling on a play he didn’t make get into his head like that and affect the rest of his game. Why should Chipper have to come over and get a guy’s head out of his rear end over a freaking scoring ruling? Bottom line is the guy needs to grow the heck up and put the team before his freaking fielding percentage! Like I said, I love Escobar’s talent and hope he does grow up and show some maturity, but how can you even defend the guy getting so upset over something so petty that it takes a teammate to come over and remove your head from your rear?
July 1st, 20104:22 pm
This is why I hate the Phillies and the Mets. Both of these teams try and act like the Yankees and Red Sox and spend the lion’s share of their revenue at the major league level leaving very little money for player development. The Yankees and Red Sox spend tons at the major and minor league levels. The Evil Empire and those chumps in Red Sox Nation have developed a lot of major league talent.
*from his rear* I should have said….LOL
July 1st, 20104:23 pm
ncscoots – Some people think good two-way shortstops grow on trees, lol
Read this post from blogger PWHjort about voting for Brian McCann:
July 1st, 20104:24 pm
*his head from his rear*….I wasn’t trying to involve your rear in the discussion scoots…
“Bubba” is an age-old and welcome salutation in the South, FlintRinver, LOL.
I wasn’t disagreeing with the characterization so much, as the idea that his immaturity is enough reason to trade him. Different thing from defending him; at least, as I intended.
July 1st, 20104:25 pm
But his secondary production doesn’t match Minor’s.
July 1st, 20104:26 pm
…and let’s be leavin’ my rear outta this.
Lpad–Unfortunately Escobar hasn’t been much of a “two way” shortstop this year. And I would rather have a “one way” shortstop that busts tail all game long no matter what the freaking official scorer does than a dang “two way” shortstop that acts like my 12-year old step daughter any time something doesn’t go his way.
July 1st, 20104:27 pm
So happy you disagree while completely disregarding the “if”. Your wrong about most things so I’m going bonus points on your post, after all, he is batting .370.
Really, how much homegrown talent do the Yankees and Red Sox have? Can’t be much more than the Phillies. Just off the top of my head…
Yankees: Jeter, Rivera, Posada, Cano, Gardner…
Red Sox: Pedroia, Ellsbury, Papelbon, Delcarmen, Lester, Bucholz (sp)…
Phillies: Utley, Howard, Rollins, Ruiz, Hamels, Kendrick…
July 1st, 20104:28 pm
I’m aware of that, I’m from Georgia and my step dad, whose name is Clarence though I’ve NEVER heard him called that, goes by Bubba. Was just picking at ya a bit with the question mark there.
July 1st, 20104:29 pm
Your wrong about most things
Name one, LOL.
July 1st, 20104:30 pm
Escobar just needs to answer in the standard baseball cliches:
” The ball knuckled on me, but I shoulda got it.”
” He’s a good umpire, but he may have missed that one.”
” Melky’s a great teammate, we go out all the time.”
July 1st, 20104:31 pm
FlintRiverFunk – check his hitting stats for the past month and his career stats, he’s coming out of the slump.
As far as him acting like a 12 year old girl, well I guess your lucky your daughter doesn’t throw things when she’s mad because you have to hate watching Glaus play.
I swear some of you people act like your dating the offical scorer or something.
whose name is Clarence though I’ve NEVER heard him called that, goes by Bubba.
A wise man, I’d say, and deserving of the appellation.
so when we getting Corey Hart?
July 1st, 20104:32 pm
I wasn’t disagreeing with the characterization so much, as the idea that his immaturity is enough reason to trade him.
Can’t argue there, but if they could get a good return for him then I would be all for moving him. As opposed to two years ago when I was very much against him being traded, even for a guy like Peavy.
July 1st, 20104:33 pm
You must be correct, les filles have been cranking out major league talent for decades.
Bay Area Steve
So, to summarize:
Flint prefers Rafael Belliard to Yunel Escobar. OK, one way it is.
July 1st, 20104:34 pm
Here’s a thought for the people that want to get rid of Escobar how about you name some replacements that are available that are capable of playing his level of defense and providing an above average bat at shortstop.
July 1st, 20104:36 pm
According to Mark Bowman, Minor high ERA was caused by bad defensive play behind him.
July 1st, 20104:37 pm
I’m a huge fan of Esco, but the organization sure has been drafting a lot of middle infielders the last 2 years.
check his hitting stats for the past month and his career stats, he’s coming out of the slump.
Escobar’s stats the last month in 90 AB’s: .289 AVG, 0 HRs, 6 RBI’s, 10 R’s, and 2 SB’s….yeah, that’s really a “two way” shortstop.
Hmmmm, not following the comparison here with Glaus firing a batting helmet and Escobar pouting like a baby. When was the last time one of Glaus’ teammates had to come over and give him a pep talk because his head wasn’t in the game because of a petty scoring ruling?
I swear some of you people act like your dating the official scorer or something.
Not following this one either…. Who was defending the official scorer or anything?
Lpad….don’t forget about similar salary
if they could get a good return for him then I would be all for moving him.
Hey, I’ve said here before that, if the Braves are looking for an actual, real, impact bat this offseason, Escobar is one of two position players (I can’t mention the other, for fear of the lash, LOL) who would have real value-for-value quality with a trade partner who isn’t just looking for prospects and rebuilding and like that. I’d hate to see such a thing happen, but I could understand it.
A rotation of Hudson, Jurgens and Medlen would be my dream in any playoff series. Didn’t forget about Hanson, but I love the HEART of those three in that scenario. Why do I feel BC will have DLowe going second?
July 1st, 20104:39 pm
Oh, and in honor of that great Chris Rock post, I’m gonna toss “Never Scared” in the ol’ DVD player. I think that’s where that bit is. BAS
Chris Rock is a Chipper fave, every so often he uses a song as intro.
July 1st, 20104:40 pm
Flint prefers Rafael Belliard to Yunel Escobar. OK, one way it is.
Wait a minute now…don’t start dissing my man Belliard!!! He was a “two way” shortstop wasn’t he? I mean, I saw him jack a homer or…….one!
Maybe because Lowe has won 2 series clinching games.
July 1st, 20104:42 pm
make sure you read that link from PWH above. My favorite section: “To preemptively quash an argument I’ll surely encounter, no amount of defense is enough to make up for that kind of difference in hitting. They could set up a pitch-back behind home plate and let McCann hit and it would still be more valuable than Yadier Molina.” Well done, PDub.
But his secondary production doesn’t match Minor’s JJ
that was regarding his AAA numbers and I believe his secondary numbers were pretty good there though I am too lazy to look and be certain…you can chastise if I’m wrong
thinbreakness, I was only referring to this decade about the Phils. Which is really when you think about it the only time you can really compare the Red Sox to the Yankees.
July 1st, 20104:43 pm
Thanks for the link! VERY good article.
sorry, about being 2 pages late checking in, but count one more catcher
July 1st, 20104:44 pm
how about you name some replacements that are available that are capable of playing his level of defense and providing an above average bat at shortstop.
How bout actually reading my posts….I said nothing about trading him right now, I said this offseason if they could get a good return, I wouldn’t MIND them moving him as opposed to being dead set against it two years ago. Right now there isn’t anyone that they could replace him with for the rest of this season. And as far above average bat…well, let’s hope he returns to that, but he HASN’T been an above average bat this year. He has the LOWEST SLG% of ANY regular in all of MLB right now.
Okay, but all 3 organizations have been in business longer than 10 years.
Your wrong about most things THIN
now that is a freakin’ joke. scoots is one of the most highly regarded bloggers on here and has been for years. ain’t wrong in the end about all that much, never has been
July 1st, 20104:45 pm
Escobar is one of two position players (I can’t mention the other, for fear of the lash, LOL)
Yeah, you better be careful here or you might get McFanned!!
July 1st, 20104:46 pm
You of all people should know by now that I am a joke.
July 1st, 20104:47 pm
they also drafted lots of pitchers, outfielders and catchers. They tend to do that in a draft.
Lpad—No response about Escobar’s numbers the last month…you told me to take a look at them…..
July 1st, 20104:48 pm
just gotta stick up for scoots, he’s one a my main men
July 1st, 20104:49 pm
If Hanson fixes his mechanical issues his been having the last two starts, Jurrjens gets his arm strength back and keeps pitching as good as he has throughout his career, and if Derek Lowe manages to keep pitching well and get his ERA under 4. That would be the best rotation in the big league’s, no doubt.
I keep saying that the one legitimate SS (defensively) that will give you something with the bat that is out there is Clint Barmes. Of course it might be hard to get him now with Tulo going down. But Barmes is at that point in terms of service time, arbitration, etc. that he is going to either be non-tendered or traded at the end of the year.
He’s making north of $3M right now and you’re not going to spend more than that on a guy that you don’t think is going to start for you.
The Braves have nothing behind Yunel in the organization and Barmes is not in the Rockies plans it would seem. You’d think there might be a fit there.
I have a customer who is trash talking me about how the Mets will be in first by the end of the holiday weekend. I like this guy, but dang he’s annoying. Kinda like some of the Muts trolls that come on here. (Excluding Anders, who I think is a pretty good dude.)
“when you aint got nothin, you got nothin to lose”
July 1st, 20104:50 pm
Bay Area Steve–
Oh yeah…I read it!
That part you quoted was great…I also loved when he passed out on his keyboard!
This was good, too:
“By this point Brian McCann had pretty much established himself as an elite offensive catcher. Soto was technically a rookie. While McCann’s rookie stigma brought skepticism, leading to a Paul Lo Duca All Star start, Soto’s didn’t. The argument was, essentially, Soto’s line was more impressive because he was a rookie, never mind Brian McCann was one year younger and all the other factors that favored McCann. It goes to show just how ridiculous this snub series has gotten, inventing new justifications for voting otherwise as they go.”
Ye-ah, boy. Folks got real excited about John Grove for some reason…and no doubt about it, he had a good rookie season. Least he didn’t win the Silver Slugger over BMac…
LAST CHANCE! VOTE BRIAN McCANN 2010 ALL-STAR!!!
July 1st, 20104:51 pm
As Skip Caray would say – That’s why they play the game. You can have Lowe. Give me Any of the three I mentioned for any game clinching situation in 2010.
Man, when Chipper talks to you, might as well brace yourself that it’s gonna be public record! LOL, I mean, Escobar better learn more English and fast, cause Chip ain’t doing him any favors.
But, jeez, it sure is a downer when a stat means so dang much. The dude goes in a funk over a scorer’s decision. Jiminy. A stud physique and a hormonal teenager brain.
Shoulda been a linebacker.
July 1st, 20104:52 pm
thin was just bustin’ my chops, no offense taken, LOL.
July 1st, 20104:53 pm
FlintRiver – when kids don’t get their way they usually pout, cry or throw things. btw, look around the league not a lot shortstops hit .300.
And furthermore, I do understand your posts you want him gone. So this offseason, who is going to replace him?
July 1st, 20104:54 pm
A stud physique and a hormonal teenager brain.
Well, I do work out quite a bit……
that’s right – you obviously know your stuff and it irritates me.
Yunel Escobar had a 289 AVG with an OBP of 407 in June……He is not getting many extra base hits or RBI’s for that matter, but he is getting on base a lot and has played good defense.
July 1st, 20104:57 pm
nolie used to irritate me, then he started humoring my fanish posts.
Barmes is going to be an affordable starting SS for someone next year, if he is non-tendered. He the perfect guy to hold the position down for a year or two if you have someone coming through the system. Apart from him, there is nothing else out there that I can see. It’s not easy to find a legit SS who has the potential to do something with the bat.
Don’t be so quick to wish Yunel off of our team.
Chipper really did throw him under the bus considering he’s supposed to be the team leader. Then again, normally someone being upset at the offical scorer isn’t a big deal. He must be unaware that if it’s Escobar everything is a huge problem.
Imagine Bobby has sat Escobar several times, but didn’t this time. Maybe because it really wasn’t a big deal.
thin, now you know how I feel about nolie, LOL.
Who is also one my main men, too. Top-shelf. Nothin’ but love and respect, brother.
July 1st, 20104:58 pm
btw, look around the league not a lot shortstops hit .300.
#1- he’s hitting .242, not .300 (and .289 the last month, not .300) and #2- Not a lot of regular shortstops (or any for that matter) have a .286 SLG% either.
I do understand your posts you want him gone. So this offseason, who is going to replace him?
I want him gone IF they can get a good return for him as opposed to NOT wanting him moved even for a good return two years ago. And as far as a replacement, kind of hard to narrow down who might be available 6 or 8 months from now isn’t it? But like Glen W. said earlier, Clint Barmes wouldn’t be a bad option in my opinion. Bet he doesn’t need a pep talk every time something goes against him….
July 1st, 20105:00 pm
Gotta run, wish I could continue the debate, it’s been fun. Have a great Braveless evening everyone
Flint, just wait a second and I’ll get to you. Didn’t know there was a clock?
July 1st, 20105:01 pm
Well heck Barmes is pretty used to stinking up. Why would he be upset about it?
July 1st, 20105:02 pm
oh my Glen, Barmes is a 624 hitter away from Coors, even giving him the benefit of the doubtthat he would improve a bit after getting used to no more Coors, that would still be pretty pitiful.
July 1st, 20105:07 pm
that would still be pretty pitiful.
I’m all for not going to “pitiful”.
Besides, it isn’t necessary to replace both a glove and a bat with the same player. Upgrade the offense with a trade, and you can always find a glove elsewhere. The glove doesn’t have to hit much, if the trade upgrades the offense enough. Lots of ways to go about it, doesn’t have to be mano-a-mano.
Barmes would rather be deer hunting than play for Braves. I hope he gets his way… I wouldn’t mind seeing Escobar go, but I think we could do better than Barmes as his replacement. Nothing against Barmes personally, but I just don’t see him as an “impact player.”
Gil In Mechanicsville
July 1st, 20105:09 pm
Hey, I warned you guys three years ago that Escobar was a head case, deal with it. He can be as good as he wants to be. Just needs to be constantly stroked and told how great he is, different people respond to adversity in different ways. If Bobby would give him a few more atta boys he would start driving in more runs… Just saying…
July 1st, 20105:10 pm
Who is the best defensive shortstop in the majors right now?
Not saying Barmes is an impact player. If you want someone to hit third and play SS, he’s not your guy. If you want someone to hit eighth and to contribute a little offensively and that can handle the position and doesn’t cost you much. He is all that will be available, is all I’m saying.
I’m not projecting an all-star or two in Barmes’ future. I never said that.
July 1st, 20105:12 pm
Never know why I get involved in this nonsense he says shaking his head.
July 1st, 20105:16 pm
“Not saying Barmes is an impact player. If you want someone to hit third and play SS, he’s not your guy. If you want someone to hit eighth and to contribute a little offensively and that can handle the position and doesn’t cost you much. He is all that will be available, is all I’m saying.”
If all you want is the bare minimum, you can have Clint Barmes. Championships are won with the bare minimum right?
Seriously, Barmes is the bare minimum which is why he will probably be nontendered. If he’s not an improvement then why do we want him?
July 1st, 20105:17 pm
I know you didn’t say all star, I just have little regard for Coors babies
Just as something else besides Yunel, LOL, I was tickled to see Lerew pick up the win the other night. I once thought that guy was really going to be a keeper. But his head went blooie in the minors and he never really got straight, then had the arm problem. But, man, that guy had a sinker like a cannonball, a real hand-numbing thing of beauty. Anyway, glad to see he finally made it, even if it’s just the bleepin’ Royals.
July 1st, 20105:18 pm
Let’s compare a couple of case studies. Look at what the Bluejays are getting out of Alex Gonzalez for $2.75M. What was he in the offseason? He was an affordable option… who could clearly handle the position defensively…and who has at times contributed something with the bat.
Compare that to the contract the Redsox gave Julio Lugo a few years back. The Redsox were looking for a guy that could hit at the top of the order AND play SS. Cost: $10M per year or so. And look at what they got… a mess. They were going for IMPACT (in the form of speed).
I am convinced that you either grow your elite SS, or you go find a guy like Alex Gonzalez who is affordable, can handle the position defensively, or has shown the ability to contribute something offensively. Those are your realistic options.
Barmes fits that… so does Yunel, by the way.
What Chipper said about Escobar screaming in the field following the errors really bothers me. Baseball is supposed to be a team sport and the only statistic that really matters is wins/losses. This isn’t the first time Escobar was visibly upset with the official scorer. His behavior reflects a “me” attitude as opposed to being concerned about the team winning. Frankly, I’m tired of his immature hissy fits and I wish the Braves had a viable alternative at SS.
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