3:04 pm June 25, 2010, by David O'Brien
June 25th, 201011:44 pm
182 would be too much IMO KL. 150ish outta be tops.
WW I don’t know how much they are paying attention at this point, I just hope they are, especially as it progresses.
Steve from OH
Meds threw 105 last year and 120 in ‘08. 180 is a big jump.
Is power the medicine we need, given the kind of game Bobby has been playing this year? We’re already third in runs scored in the NL this year.
Bartholomeeeew (Bat) Masterson
June 25th, 201011:45 pm
120 innings is Medlens max, that was 2 years ago. Last year, majors and minors, I think it was 105. One might think his ceiling would be around 150.
June 25th, 201011:46 pm
They aren’t trading Escobar this season, imo. I believe that because the Braves aren’t dumb enough to take an offer that doesn’t justify what they probably believe, and will, do in the future. He’s been bad at the plate for the most part, though his defense has been really good.
Then again, some team could blow them away with an offer they can’t refuse. I do think they’d trade him if the offer was right. He looks like a downer to be around from my view.
Woody–yeah, I think we do need some more pop. We walk a lot and hit for good average, but we need that ability to put multiple runs on the board with one swing. Right now, we’re stringing hits and walks together for runs. It’s been working great, but sometimes you need that big blast, you know?
they coulda worked in the old Uecker joke about the best way to handle it is to run quickly to the backstop and pick it up.
OK, so say Bobby goes with Medlin the rotation once Jurrgens gets back. What happens if he falters in late August? Can we bring back KK into the rotation then? I think the long run is a very interesting question.
June 25th, 201011:49 pm
I’m playing the “waiting for Esco” game. Hopefully, he can supply the pop. Dangerous, I know, but if he heats up after the all-star break, is the power question moot?
June 25th, 201011:51 pm
my thoughts don’t have much to do with whether he falters or not. Even if he pitches great there is no way they should pitch him more that around 150 innings. Sure they could bring KK back, or if Kris continues well they could skip some starts and limit him to 6 IP or so each time. Lots of options to keep his workload within reason.
If he does falter they have KK and perhaps Minor though with his salary you would think they would give KK the first shot.
Yeah, if Esco starts hitting, we’re dangerous. But still, how dangerous would we be with Esco and another power bat? I don’t think it’s imperative we get one, but it would be huge if we did. Without one, we probably don’t get to the WS, but with one we’re a threat to win it all.
June 25th, 201011:52 pm
Esco’s mechanics are gonna preclude a whole lot of homers from him, but he sure needs to start with the doubles again like previously.
DOB: ok, I’ll stay up thru BB Tonight, waiting on the post-game quotes.
Any alumni anecdotes or quotes you’d care to share from today? Not meaning you have to post them tonight, of course.
Going to the softball game tomorrow? I would so love to attend that one. Did you ever go to any of the 99X Celebrity softball games? Don’t remember you on anyone’s roster. I can remember thinking if Clark Howard can get out there and play, anyone can!
Pitch count should be watched but Med is not going to be a starter in playoffs.
June 25th, 201011:53 pm
Do you think the Nats would part with Adam Dunn, for instance?
whatever the get they have to be able to pay for it which IMO is gonna limit the quality of a pick up.
June 25th, 201011:54 pm
Yeah nolie, the Uecker joke would have been good.
If the Braves brass reads the blog they will be up to speed on Medlen’s innings pitched, and where to cut him off.
The promised quotes:
not talking about the playoffs cricket. steady starting during the rest of the season will produce to0 many IP. He will be counted on in the pen if they get to the playoffs.
June 25th, 201011:55 pm
What do the you think the asking price is? Farm? Or someone on the current roster?
June 25th, 201011:56 pm
Oh, I definitely think they would, but I don’t think the Braves would be interested, and I have my reservations as well. He’s definitely the bat, but he’s not a good defensive player and our bread and butter in the long run will be pitching and defense. He doesn’t fit into that scheme at all. Plus, an OF with Melky in center and Dunn in left is gonna cost a lot of runs.
Like I said, I don’t think it’s a move we absolutely have to make, but it would be a great move to make us a really complete team. I just don’t think Dunn is the right fit.
June 26th, 201012:00 am
What about Diaz coming back? He may not have the power that we would like, but he’s a live bat. And not a liability in the field. You know, the chemistry is so good on this team right now, I would hate to mess with it. It’s a bunch of gamers. Garret Anderson, for example, was just so out of place, even though he had some timely at bats last year. He was awful in the field and a real dud in terms of energy.
June 26th, 201012:01 am
DOB: you forgot to ask Mac “What do you think about your biggest fan missing your milestone 100th tonight?”
June 26th, 201012:02 am
thank you for the quotes David. I think that is a great addition to the blog and i enjoy it very much every night…more so with a win though
June 26th, 201012:03 am
Great Quotes, Thanks
June 26th, 201012:05 am
maybe I wasn’t paying enough attention. I was championing Cliff Lee not Carlos. you know what happens when you are old as dirt
June 26th, 201012:06 am
Diaz will be good, I agree. I think ultimately the Braves will want Hinske to revert back to the bench, and he can do that some days if he’s platooning with Diaz. Diaz ain’t the answer, but he murders lefties, that’s for sure. Sure doesn’t hurt to have a guy like that on the team.
Jordan Schafer–get your act together, son.
June 26th, 201012:09 am
Diaz/Hinske could remind of the Klesko/Ice platoon that was so helpful to an earlier team. Though Williams was a better defender than Matty
June 26th, 201012:10 am
Diaz/Hinske makes for a good platoon, though. Together they’re a good LF. Not much defensively, though, and with Melky in center that’s a bit shaky. Like I said, Schafer–get it together!
I’ll let the overnight shift get started on this…………….caption this Smoltz photo:
The A Bomb
How about Jim Edmonds? He’s 40, but he would come cheap and can still play in a platoon role. Guy’s been through it before. Low maintenance for Cox… good for the stretch run.
June 26th, 201012:12 am
I would like us to stand pat until August–see what happens when everyone gets healthy. If we still need the stick, pick up a veteran who can be energized by the spirit of this team, then ride off into the sunset–next year. We’ve had those kind of pick ups in the past. Nothing like winning to revitalize a player. (I notice that the prospects of a Chipper resurgence has not been mentioned.)
June 26th, 201012:13 am
why would we want another lefty? Hinske is fine for that.No matter what some say on here about not needing a righty, I believe we do since as a team we do not seem to handle them well
June 26th, 201012:15 am
The old Hoss has a 9 game hitting streak and was wearing a super sized smile tonight!
June 26th, 201012:16 am
Chipper’s BA is still coming up, have questions about his power doing the same, but his OBP sure helps the front of the lineup
June 26th, 201012:17 am
Edmonds could platoon with Diaz and give us another excellent outfielder with postseason experience. I have to believe Cox and Co. are not interested in any more “projects” — leave those to the new guy.
June 26th, 201012:22 am
don’t need Edmonds they have Hinske and do not as a rule carry all that many OFers.nothing against Jim as a part timer but i seriously doubt they are interested in another LHed hitting OFer. Ya never know fur shur though I gotta admit.
June 26th, 201012:26 am
We all love Hinske but the threat we bring with our tremendous bench needs to be defined for the rest of the season…
We need a guy like Matt Stairs was to the Phils and Hinske seems best suited to fill that role down the stretch. Edmonds is much more polished than Blanco and would add another vet guy.
You’re right — you never know.
June 26th, 201012:27 am
Fellers–I think we got a dang good team right now. We have good players on the DL and we don’t have to give up anything for them. Again, my biggest concern is Jurrgens. If there is a fantasy deal, Cliff Lee would be it for me.
Heyward must be stubborn or something. They HAVE to be telling or at least suggesting he move up a bit in the batters box. Joe Simpson said it perfectly tonight …. he’s rolling over pitches on the outer part of the plate in large part because he’s too far back in the box to begin with.
June 26th, 201012:30 am
Yunel is pulling outside pitches again.
June 26th, 201012:33 am
well I looked it up and Edmonds would be cheaper than I thought he would be so the question becomes who the Ms would want and who we would be willing to give. Would he really be worth giving up a real prospect for?
June 26th, 201012:35 am
Was anyone else impressed with Putz and Jenks in the CWS series? Got to be one of the best one-twos in the majors at the moment.
June 26th, 201012:36 am
Would Edmunds get any cheaper late in the season, in terms of who they would take?
June 26th, 201012:38 am
Putz and Jerks, whot kinda names are them for ballplayers?
June 26th, 201012:39 am
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June 26th, 201012:40 am
Edmonds would probably cost a low-level prospect IMO. He’s a 2-month rental who’s looking for another shot at the postseason.
Probably a good return if you look at it that way.
Just the kinda names for ballplayers! Would you want them as your law firm?
June 26th, 201012:41 am
How’s his bat speed?
June 26th, 201012:42 am
If they traded him I would guess it would be end of July at the deadline. Maybe not but the odds would be of that happening. Certain that we could afford 300some thousand which is what he would cost salary. More important is what they want. My guess is that he would not come too cheap prospect wise since there might be other teams wanting him, but he isn’t likely to bring a great prospect. Like I said though I’m not convinced he would be what this team needs and I wonder if Wren would think so? Speculation is the name of the game though
June 26th, 201012:43 am
“Get Out The WAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
Pretty Boy Coming Through!”
I had a ticket to tonights game but had to work, damn it!
I will be at the ChopHouse tomorrow “Bank on it!” I have a free ticket for next Saturday’s game to give away there for any braves fan that is going to the game…Just meet me at the Chophouse and drop me a few lines…
June 26th, 201012:44 am
Edmonds had a 3-hit game the other night…. One of the few left-handed hitters I’ve seen who likes the high pitch…. drives the ball to left center a lot. Not a pull hitter at all. Never has been.
Plus, he’s still a very good outfielder — not what he was — but very, very solid.
June 26th, 201012:46 am
what about the chemistry? How would he fit in on this team?
I always liked Jimmy. I wanted him years and years ago from the Angels.
June 26th, 201012:48 am
Edmonds is a true pro and always has been…. Played with Glaus and I think he’s that “Cox guy” that we always seem to get when we’re contending… Plus, again, he comes with a glove.
June 26th, 201012:50 am
I can’t believe I’m saying this–maybe it’s the wine talking–but this being Bobby’s last year and all, we’ve got a special thing going on. I’m wondering if Chipper might have a surge in him that would satisfy the need we’re talking about. Again, I’ve not been a Chipper fan, but I’m wondering if this is a closed shop right now. How might a new guy fit in?
June 26th, 201012:53 am
I think most players would fit in, it’s not like Cox and Wren are gonna get a Manny type guy.
Chemistry is nice but Physics is a lot more important in the long run.
Whole lotta teams that did nothing but fight with each other have been very successful.
June 26th, 20101:01 am
Tom O’Hawke, that’s awesome! I remember Powell and Sutton did something like that last year. MAN, I wish I could’ve heard that. (TnBrian)
Brian, I contacted the program director at 680 The Fan, and he was nice enough to put that audio segment on the web and then said me the link. (Hi nolie)
…..and then, the one-post-wonder disappears into the darkness…..
June 26th, 20101:03 am
jim edmomds are you guys serious?
June 26th, 20101:08 am
nice win tonight. bobby made the moves. funny how nobody ever says that after a win.
really nice to have two lh’s out there before wags.
gives bobby a little flexibility.
venters is nasty against left handed hitters.
June 26th, 20101:12 am
little fuel to the fire for the kk guys. kk and saito have 39% of the losses on their record.
that said, i would not be shocked if kawakami throws a good one tmmrw.
no pressure. i think he knows his fate.
June 26th, 20101:13 am
UGA, if you read what I wrote you know that I am not advocating acquiring him, but he is still a decent player especially part time. If he was a RHer I’d think seriously about him.
June 26th, 20101:19 am
“jim edmomds are you guys serious?”
You took the words right out of my mouth…
June 26th, 20101:25 am
How ’bout Jermaine Dye?
look at the guy’s stats T’Hawk and compare them to any of our OFers
June 26th, 20101:26 am
Dye is done
Jim Edmonds brings nothing to the table the Braves don’t already have. How many left handed, limited pop, center-but-I’d-be-better-in-left fielders to we need?
Everyone and They Mama on here is saying that we need more pop in the lineup…
I agree but since the steroid era is over there arent that many guys in the league who can hit 30 plus homers now w/o striking out over 150 times, not to mention who will not cost you your minor league system…
I think the braves lay low, and stick with the same offense…
With that said, we really don’t have the Power Threat that scares opposing pitchers…I guess it works both ways…
I’d rather settle in trading for someone who can steal bases in close games against a dominating pitcher (Santana, Halliday, Lee, etc…)
I hate to say it but our power bat that we need to trade for is probably already here…and that is number 10
June 26th, 20101:28 am
nolie, i am up for all options, but at this point i shudder to say this melky is a better option.
josh willingham would interest me. .900 .ops. has walked 46 times and has 13 dingers in a big ballpark,
Just joshin’ about Dye, Nolee. His name was prominent on these pages early in the season. I’ve always said “nurtz” to that suggestion.
June 26th, 20101:30 am
I will Co-Sign on the fact that Production from our OF’s has been Garbage the last two years…But the problem is we have a logjam of OF’s, and with Matty-D coming back, he may be the bat we need if he comes out in the second half playing like he did in last years second half…I’m i’m not mistaking he is a better second half hitter?
But what worries me is that he may struggle with MLB pitching from being out so long, and add to the fact he wasn’t Clowning at the plate when he got injured…
Wondering if the Nats would be “willing” to deal to anyone in the division.
June 26th, 20101:31 am
Jermaine Dye’s Name has been thrown around on the phillies forum, so it’s just not us that are talking about him…
June 26th, 20101:32 am
’d rather settle in trading for someone who can steal bases in close games against a dominating pitcher (Santana, Halliday, Lee, etc…) T’Hawk
least efficient strategy arouind. teams that have a lot of stolen bases are as likely to be low scoring teams a not. When you consider the options are Gregor and Nate I fail to see how you can turn your nose up at a guy who is currently OPSing 937.
June 26th, 20101:35 am
Shorstops all around the Majors have really awful numbers, compared to previous years.
June 26th, 20101:36 am
I’m with Nolee on Dye. Stick a fork in him.
June 26th, 20101:37 am
There are gonna be games where you need someone who can get themselves in S. Position via a SB (especially in the postseason)
Look at the Phils last year, they had 4 guys with 20 plus stolen bases, and we all know where they ended up….
Dye already refused a Nat’s offer. he says he will not come east. The fact that he is mentioned on other boards pretty much means nothing in real life. He really really sucked the last 4 months of last season. Interesting to see if he changes his mind, but I wouldn’t touch him at all
June 26th, 20101:38 am
You’ve said before (if I’m correct) that Blanco is not an everyday player. What’s his downside?
June 26th, 20101:39 am
Not to mention Gregor and Nate…Don’t scare opposing pitchers when they get on base…Nate Stopped running and G. Blanco isn’t that good a base-stealer (Awareness-wise)
The days we had nixon and deion …Those two would run at will on pitchers, especially in close game to put themselves in S. Position… thats is one of the many reasons why the 91-93 braves won som many close games in which the offense scored 3 or fewer runs…
June 26th, 20101:40 am
Look at the Phils last year, they had 4 guys with 20 plus stolen bases, and we all know where they ended up T’Hawk
baloney. nothing but coincidence. the Mets led the Braves a few years ago 200 SB to 65 and we outscored them. Very inefficient. and Bobby would not run all that much anyway. They are not gonna waste a roster space on a guy who can only run.
June 26th, 20101:42 am
thats is one of the many reasons why the 91-93 braves won som many close games in which the offense scored 3 or fewer runs… T’H
that statement makes no sense at all. we won so many games where we scored three or less because of out pitching. If all those steals you remember meant much of anything they would have caused the Braves to score more than three runs. sigh
June 26th, 20101:46 am
Again, we’re third in the NL in runs scored. Is that our problem?
June 26th, 20101:47 am
speed is great to have given skills that compliment it, but by itself is of limited value.
June 26th, 20101:49 am
willingham is making $4.6 this season. probbly have to give up a decent pitching prospect and another position player.
pretty sure he is on their radar.
gonna be interesting to see what kind of flexibility wren has when it comes to adding payroll.
i have been one of liberty media’s biggest detractors, but in all fairness it could be a LOT worse.
just look across town at the atlanta spirit group.
i really thought the hawks, with their first round pick were going to draft a big bag of cash.
June 26th, 20101:50 am
I think offensive inconsistancy is a bit of a problem. The score a lot when they walk a lot which they often do, but in Chicago they walked very seldom and only had one again tonight. Pitchers who pound the plate can hamper them. If I added anything it would be some RHed pop if not too expensive in trade cost
June 26th, 20101:51 am
I think you guys are missing his point in that adding a CF would not help that much, as the top ones wont be traded by their respective teams, and anyone else doesn’t upgrade enough to waste prospects. However, take someone like an ace like Oswalt or Lee, move Medlen back to the pen (for the rest of the year), KK goes into pen when JJ comes back. That way, your staff consists of:
MR: O’ Flarhety, Venters
LR: Medlen, KK
Nobody in the majors could match that
NO MORE BOBBY
June 26th, 20101:53 am
Just saw the catch dude made for Washington against the Orioles. Very Otis Nixon and the Baltimore player gave a real tip of the cap for the catch.
Sorry I should’ve worded that better
Agreed, The pitching carried the team for those seasons, but when the offense went through slumps back then it was our speed at the top that made the difference in winning 1-0/2-0/2-1 games
Not to mention during the stretch run and playoffs those years, the guys at the top of the order who were threats on the bases made the difference in lot of game…
June 26th, 20101:54 am
Is there a staff in the NL would present the sort of problems that Chicago did? Or did we just run into a hot team whose pitchers were on a roll?
When Diaz comes back, that’s him, Cabrera, Hinske, Heyward and Mclouth when he returns. 5 OF’s, so one has to be traded and I’m thinking Melky is the one that goes since nobody would want Nate with his dollars and barely legal production.
If I were Wren, I’d go after a full time CF and platoon Hinske/Diaz in LF. Willingham can barely play LF, so there’s no way he’d play CF. A Hinske/Diaz platoon would put up as good, if not better numbers than a Willingham would.
The Brewers don’t look like they’ll deal Hart and DeJesus is another LH gap guy. We really need a RH slugger more than anything, imo.
June 26th, 20101:55 am
sure give me Lee and I’m thrilled, but Oswald sure ain’t much anymore for his cost and NWIH can they afford Lee. Gotta be realistic, they are not gonna pick up that kinda salary not do they have enough upper level prospects to do so. Great lower level pitching no doubt, but other teams are gonna say that A level pitchers no matter their promise are not worth a star and who wants to give up a couple of them for 10 weeks rental? Not me. I’d love Lee if they could re-sign him but otherwise nope.
June 26th, 20101:57 am
“They are not gonna waste a roster space on a guy who can only run.”
Thats whats its going to buckle down to…If we trade for anyone (which I don’t think will happen) its gonna be someone who can hit and possess speed…Gone are the days were we can trade for 30 homer mashers, because since the roid era is over they are few and far between
Not to mention…Edmonds would be a liability at the plate…this isn’t the Edmonds from 10 years ago…
Not to mention during the stretch run and playoffs those years, the guys at the top of the order who were threats on the bases made the difference in lot of game T’H
well I guess we can agree to disagree T. hey man I’m talkin’ in rhyme
June 26th, 20101:58 am
DOB, here in the Age of the Internet, we link to stories we discuss in our blogs. Kinda like how you did with the irrelevant music video at the end of the column, but not with the two articles in prominent publications about our boys. C’mon, dude, get with the program. Otherwise, keep up the good work.
TnBrian–If now is the moment, why not just waive Nate and eat the money? I mean, if you’ve got to dump an OF, shouldn’t performance dictate who goes? It may not be in Liberty’s profile to do such a thing, but, hey, strange things happen.
June 26th, 20102:00 am
we have ridden prado and gluas hard. watching three starting lefhanders in the last four games limit our offense should cause concern.
macc hit his first dinger tonight against a soutpaw and heyward has looked lost against lefty’s.
need to find another rh hitter. the elephant in the room, everyone knows it.
uga, again, what do you do with one or two of the guys if they get a guy like Willingham who is strictly a LF and not a very good one? I wouldn’t want to take any at bats away from Hinske and if Diaz comes back strong, that’s one hell of a righty/lefty platoon.
Nobody besides Melky can play CF and I don’t see Nate as anything more than a bat off the bench when he returns unless they can find a sucker to take him, which I highly doubt.
“We really need a RH slugger more than anything, imo.”
Not Happening…Especially for the fact that there are so few RH sluggers who are available on bad teams as opposed to 10 years ago, The Braves F.O. will stand Pat at the Deadline
Not to mention Most sluggers now who hit 25 homers or more, strikeout 150+times
That would be a detriment to our offense…
Like I said earlier Our only Pop in the lineup that we will get will have to come from #10 if this team is gonna go far into October or make it for that matter…
June 26th, 20102:01 am
…Edmonds would be a liability at the plate…this isn’t the Edmonds from 10 years ago T’H
are you kidding? the guy is hitting 937 right now, that is better than anyone on this entire team by a fair amount. He might not keep that up of course but right now he is a bigger force than anyone we have and would cost between 300-400 thou. Like I said to begin with I’m not saying to get him but I think y’all are dissin’ him a lot.
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