2:31 pm June 16, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
June 16th, 20109:58 pm
I still say Melky’s lost weight since the start of the season.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
That was a nice win!
Brave4life-1995 all over again
Well we are gaining no ground tonight on anyone other than the marlins.
Oh I get it. That was Hicks instead of Gimper!
Clint – The game is over and I’m out. But, as a parting note: I’ll bback tomorrow and be in full effect during the second half.
so was that an earned run since the runner got in scoring position via a wild pitch?
June 16th, 20109:59 pm
Ballgame. Still in first place. Win tomorrow and watch the Mets start to descend the ‘chute.
June 16th, 201010:00 pm
Hopefully the Braves can be the 1st get to 40 wins in the NL
So much for the frickin’ shutout!
Chip Caray's Eyebrows
Great win tonight. Great pitching from Hanson and great clutch hitting. Don’t need to worry about other teams at this stage of the season, just keep playing good baseball and everything will be just fine.
I’m only around when the game is national or a Florida televised game. Jeff321
well that’s something good I guess. we appreciate it . worked in the pros, didn’t play in the minors maroon
June 16th, 201010:01 pm
What happened to willieg? Has he been on recently?
Any speculation on what the brass had to say to chipper? Sorry, I know it’s probably old news, but just logged on in the 8th.
June 16th, 201010:02 pm
Great game! I have to admit I was screaming at Bobby in the 9th when Venters started giving up runs, but it all turned out well.
June 16th, 201010:03 pm
Notice how the amount of posts is way down now that the team is winning?
June 16th, 201010:04 pm
That Tommy Hanson guy sure does suck…he hasn’t been as dominate as he was last year!!!
June 16th, 201010:05 pm
Welp I am gonna call it an early night. Need to go to bed earlier than last night >_>
June 16th, 201010:11 pm
He lost so much money betting against the Braves, I heard he was selling Coca Colas at the game tonight. Can’t you see him going up and down the isles with the big tray around his neck?
June 16th, 201010:13 pm
JEFF321, if you are going to spout your usual negative crap, at least get your facts straight before you look even more ignorant, if that is possible..
Hanson and Hudson, pray for sun…
Unless you’re the other team- then you’re done!
June 16th, 201010:15 pm
June 16th, 201010:27 pm
Looking at some rankings and saw that the top two saves leaders in the AL are Neftali Feliz and Soriano. Made me start thinking about the Braves plans for closer next year. Will Kimbrel be ready? If not, any thoughts?
June 16th, 201010:31 pm
I would like to see Kimbrel get more regular work out of the pen so that he can be ready next year. He has improved though since his inital call up, his stats are good, and he looked great last night.
June 16th, 201010:33 pm
I like that Kimbrel gets to spend lots of time with B-Wags out in the ‘pen, but I’m concerned that he isn’t getting much work on a regular basis.
June 16th, 201010:34 pm
Big win tonight. Hanson pitched like an ace and Glaus and Prado continue to rake. I’m impressed. If they win tomorrow, I’m convinced.
June 16th, 201010:39 pm
Anyone ever heard of this song. It is absolutely amazing.
Nick Drake- From the Morning
So I heard the end of the game on the radio.
Anybody want to guess what I thought of Bobby bringing in a guy who pitched in three of the last five games and who only appeared to be sharp in one of them?
I’m not criticizing Johnny Venters mind you. When he’s put out there as much as he has been over the past week, odds are he’s not going to give you his best as he would if he’s used sparingly.
No need whatsoever to have him close out the game in Minnesota. Medlen was at 92 pitches through 8 innings. Now if he, Medlen, starts the 9th and walks the first batter or gives up a hit, take him out. Bring in anybody you want. Hell, he could have brought in Wagner for all I care.
I’m not just trying to find something to complain about. I couln’t be happier that we won but it’s a legitimate point of contention. You just can’t keep overusing these guys.
I mean, was anybody surprised he gave up a run?
June 16th, 201010:41 pm
I’m not just trying to find something to complain about. Mitchell
really? who could tell. anything else bother you about that 6-2 win? Just wondering…
June 16th, 201010:43 pm
I have to say, I thought there was a more than slight chance of the Braves falling out of first place this evening.
Last night’s game did not leave me with a good feeling and the Mets getting to play the Indians? Well, I guess I jumped the gun.
METS MADNESS will have to wait another day, to be wrong. I swear, if the Mets think they’re going to keep pace with the Braves, they are sorely mistaken.
June 16th, 201010:44 pm
I hear you Mitchell. I think Venters is a classic case of Cox falling in love with a guy and using him too much. Moylan has carried that torch in the past, among others.Hopefully it will get better this weekend when Saito returns.
June 16th, 201010:45 pm
something ALWAYS bothers mitchell..
The A Bomb
June 16th, 201010:46 pm
Way to bounce back from last night’s nostalgia crap.
Kawakami-Davies on Sunday. Bet the over. The way over.
June 16th, 201010:47 pm
Oh yeah… bet on the Cox ejection tomorrow with UMP FROM HELL Bill Hohn behind the dish.
He’ll be squeezing Huddy no doubt.
Eric from MO
Moe plenty of options. Moylan, Kimbrel, resign Saito, Venters, Wagner changes his mind.
June 16th, 201010:48 pm
what if the Braves defenders actually catch a few balls and KK just gives up 2 runs? can I sue you for bad advice?
June 16th, 201010:49 pm
Venters hadn’t pitched since Sunday. Not an issue.
No because Davies will take care of you no matter what Big Jake.
June 16th, 201010:50 pm
no way that Moylan is ever considered as a closer. he is way too poor against lefties. Saito and Wagner will be gone, bank on it! That leaves Venters and Kinbrel
June 16th, 201010:51 pm
Venters hadn’t pitched since Sunday. Not an issue. Mike
but Mitchel said his arm was falling off. are you sure of that?
June 16th, 201010:52 pm
No, Big Jake. As I said, just the whole overuse of the bullpen thing.
Do you have any thoughts yourself about the subject or do you want to ignore the fact that I’m not specifically complaining about the game itself or the part where I said “I could not be more happy that we won”?
What part of that didn’t you understand?
Again, would you care to give your own take on the topic of the recent overuse of Johnny Venters and the subsequent drop in his effectiveness?
If not, you’re missing the point.
ok man, you da Bomb. I’ll go over
June 16th, 201010:56 pm
Again, would you care to give your own take on the topic of the recent overuse of Johnny Venters and the subsequent drop in his effectiveness Mitchell
he hasn’t been used since Sunday, that hardly constitutes overuse dude. This is Wednesday isn’t it? Get a grip man.
June 16th, 201010:58 pm
Chip Caray’s Eyebrows
June 16th, 2010
Thank you Chip Caray’s Eyebrows!
You didn’t even have to agree with me. Just glad you were willing to contributed something worthwhile to the conversation.
June 16th, 201010:59 pm
Mitchell every manager uses their bullpen. This isnt the 60s and 70s anymore. As for Venters, what the hell are you talking about? He has had two days off. Its fine.
As I said, just the whole overuse of the bullpen thing.
Coming into tonight (and it went down, not up), Braves had used 182 relievers in 65 games, an average of 2.8 per game.
League average is 2.906 per game. Braves are 11th in the NL in most relievers used.
And we were 7th in the NL in # of IP by relievers.
How is Bobby in love with the bullpen?
June 16th, 201011:00 pm
he was wild tonight. he has that happen sometimes.
It could as easily have been caused by not pitching since Sunday as by your typically negative hypothesis .
I’d pay good money to see a game where you did not whine about anything, during ot after it. That isn’t going to happen though, just a dream of mine
June 16th, 201011:03 pm
You didn’t even have to agree with me. Just glad you were willing to contributed something worthwhile to the conversation.
What he means there is if you didnt agree with me, then you are not adding something worthwhile to the conversation.
June 16th, 201011:04 pm
You have a legitimate point, the kid was used a lot on the trip. Gotta be careful with young arms.
June 16th, 201011:05 pm
Not that using him tonight was a mistake, just that you have to keep monitoring him, and that it’s really easy to fall in love with a guy who has been so succesfull.
June 16th, 201011:06 pm
he hasn’t been used since Sunday, this is Wednesday. are you a Mitchell alias or something?
June 16th, 201011:07 pm
I was just kidding about that alias thing Skip. It is hard to show that on a keyboard though.
June 16th, 201011:08 pm
Why has Brian McCann not worn his glasses for the past to games. Last night I noticed it on TV and tonight I was there and he was not wearing them and not hitting as he was with them.
Dude, he gave up two runs. If he’s on his game he shuts ‘em down 1-2-3.
It’s just knowing or at least having some sense based on recent performances who’s going to be most effective in certain situations. Something Bobby Cox doesn’t seem to know or have.
You had to like the way Moylan pitched tonight. Seems like he’s breaking out of his recent funk.
I certainly didn’t have a lot of confidence in him when he was brought in in Arizona after we had just taken the 1-0 lead and I think a lot of people felt the same way. And look what happened.
It’s nothing against the pitchers themselves. They’re all good. Hell, even Jesse Chavez kept us in that game against the Reds. He’s probably the worst guy in the pen but that’s about it. We’ve seen much, much worse over the years.
Okay, whatever. I’m done but if you really thought Venters was going to be sharp tonight, which I didn’t, you’re not paying attention.
June 16th, 201011:09 pm
Chip not Skip, sorry
Great job by Hanson tonight.
Guys, Guys, Guys …. chill out! Bobby DOES and always HAS overused his pen. It’s been his achilles heel for years now. Joe and Boog used to spend innings at a time talking about how Bobby is treading water on the his overuse of the bullpen.
Hanson is awesome, as is Hudson, which is why a series win is looking very good.
Did anyone else get slightly alarmed when a clown named “Paul” came yelling at everyone?(shudder)
June 16th, 201011:11 pm
Nah Big Jake, just saying the kid has been getting a lot of work, especially on the trip and that while I don’t have a problem with his use tonight, you gotta monitor how often you use a kid like him. Didn’t know it was a crime to agree with someone on the blog.
June 16th, 201011:13 pm
I pay as much attention as you do. The kid gets wild sometimes and tonight was one of those times. He had 3 days of rest. That is often the cause of wildness with youngsters. There is no proof about anything you are saying.just your always negative opinion
Mitchell you still havent given one reason why he wouldnt of been on other than he was used 3 of the last 5 games. That doesnt really count considering he had the last two days off. If they had a game yesterday and Venters didnt pitch and it was only 3 of the last 6 does that mean he would of been on? Couldnt it just as easily been that he was off because he hadnt pitched since Sunday?
June 16th, 201011:14 pm
TnBrian is right, Simpson, Boog, and even DOB has also agreed that Cox overuses certain members of pen, and Venters success on the trip has made him a target. But big picture as long as starters keep going deep like Huddy, Hanson, Medlen, and even Lowe have, this wont be as much of an issue this year.
June 16th, 201011:15 pm
Big Jake, you are exactly right. Venters is just wild sometimes. You will have that with a youngster, especially when they throw that hard.
chill out! Bobby DOES and always HAS overused his pen. TnB
did you not just read the pitching stats that Mike in Fla just posted showing that is not true?
June 16th, 201011:16 pm
Chip we are not denying he overuses the pen at times. Tonight was not one of those times though.
It’s just too easy to look back and say who Bobby (or any manager) should have used. Actually, I think this year Cox has been letting his relievers go a little longer than in recent years – like tonight, letting Venters stay for the 9th after pitching in the 8th.
Also, I think Bobby is intentionally giving Venters the opportunity to finish some games, give him some more responsibility. He’s earned it, and it’s valuable experience.
Lastly, and this is not exactly scientific – usually when a pitcher has an ERA of under 1, it’s likely he’s gonna give up a run or two pretty soon. Not many guys stay in that territory for too long. Especially not rookies.
June 16th, 201011:17 pm
Prado is now tied for the major league hit total with 95.
Chip I agree that young pitchers need to be monitored. I don’t understand how you are agreeing with Mitchell’s complaint if him being used tonight did not bother you though. Mitchell finds something to complain about even in the best of times and I guess it got on my nerves tonight.
NNY Braves Fan
A win tomorrow would be HUGE. To take 2 out of 3 from two tough first place teams back to back would put a swagger in this team that we havent seen in years.
June 16th, 201011:18 pm
And by the way Chip, I really dont think he has overused the pen this year. Seems like he has spread it evenly pretty well over each reliever.
Eric, my point is not tonight, just that he was used an awful lot on the trip and that in future he’s a candidate to be overworked. Hopefully with Saito coming back soon, that will not be the case.
June 16th, 201011:20 pm
Well thats just ridiculous.
June 16th, 201011:21 pm
That is great Bobbeee’s. I know that you and nolie and a few others have been champions for Prado for a long time, back before it was popular to do so. Congratulations on being right.
Mitchell, Venters did exactly what he was supposed to do–throw strikes and get outs. He had a six run lead and the Rays are aver very good hitting team. He would’ve pitched differently had it been a one run game. Relievers are going to give up runs, even when they are on their game. You expect waaaay too much. Perhaps this is why you are always disappointed. There are pretty good players on the other teams too.
If your starter doesn’t pitch (well) deep into the game, it’s pretty tough not to use the bullpen. Seems to me, anyway.
I’d much rather have 5 or 6 good arms in the pen throwing 75 times a year than let young pitchers like JJ and Hanson rack up 230 IP while they’re under 25 years old.
I would agree with that Eric, again, mostly because the rotation has gone deeper into games.
June 16th, 201011:22 pm
Runnin-There are pretty good players on the other teams too.
June 16th, 201011:24 pm
Chip if your starters dont pitch deep into ballgames its almost impossible not to overuse your pen.
I do not see it as really ridiculous Eric. It is true that ERAs under one are pretty rare and do not last long. Doesn’t mean that it was going to inflate tonight, but I do think it is reasonable to expect it to inflate at some point, especially with a youngster who gets wild at times.He did say it wasn’t scientific. JMO.
June 16th, 201011:27 pm
Big Jake you dont pick up on sarcasm too well do you?lol
June 16th, 201011:28 pm
I think it can be hard to do on a board and I do not know you well Eric
June 16th, 201011:29 pm
LOL, so by my theory, you should really use the guys with high ERA’s in pressure situations, because the guys with low ones are likely to get pounded. Wait til the sabermetricians get hold of this pearl of wisdom!
just posted the post-game comments, including the latest from Chipper on why he’s not ready to talk about retirement….
Mark Bradley also wrote a blog about what Chipper said about the game. To check that out, go to
Coach (2011 or Bust)
June 16th, 201011:30 pm
Rubber game’s tomorrow, got to win and we will because Huddy is pitching. 9-6 so far in June and I have to say it again, I’m F-N impressed with this bunch but they need some tweaking.
June 16th, 201011:31 pm
Eric, he would bring in guys like Moylan or Soriano with 4-5 run leads, when they should have gotten the night off. If you don’t remember those days then I’m sorry, but they are pretty clear to me. Those are the unneccesary outings that add up over the course of a season..
Well Jake, the ridiculous comment was sarcasm. I get tired of people who constantly complain. After the last 4 years I have had enough of it on here. We have a reason to be happy fans and people still complain. Its why I havnt been on much since we took 1st. I knew people would still whine about something.
June 16th, 201011:36 pm
ok but Mike wasn’t complaining as far as I could tell.
I get tired of all the complaining too which was why I sort of snapped a bit at Mitchell tonight, He can be very trying.
June 16th, 201011:38 pm
I think that was because he wanted the win and did not trust many of the pen to get it Chip. I think he trusts more this year and I think he has spread it around more because of that. With Saito out it does limit it a bit right now IMO.
June 16th, 201011:39 pm
Chip I also recall games where he would bring in guys like Bennett and Boyer with a 4-run lead and all they did was give up walks and hits till it was a 1-2 run game and he had to bring in Moylan, Gonzo, or Soriano. It was a lose-lose situation. He had a bad bullpen last year. Imagine that, a manager is only good when his players are good. Wow…
I’m in FL (hence the name), and get both the Marlins and Rays every game. I can assure you, those teams (and I bet all teams) have exactly the same “issues” regarding bullpen use.
Seems like some of the folks who pick apart every decision, every error, every loss, have only watched the Braves and somehow think that we’re uniquely inept at managing, bunting, and most everything else. Fact is, everybody’s pretty much equally inept. It’s part of what makes the game so great.
Carroll, thanks for the quotes… good to see Marteen giving Price the ol’ 24-hour-delayed Tip O’ the Cap. Yeah, that’s it, Martin… make ‘em wait, baby.
Nite, fine people. DOB will be back on board tomorrow….Thanks for hangin.
June 16th, 201011:40 pm
Big Jake it wasnt a shot at Mike, it was a shot at Mitchell. Im pretty sure Mike got that, hence his reply.
June 16th, 201011:41 pm
Jeez, the only reason Venters gave up a run is because the defense allowed a non-stolen base. Yeah, he walked a couple and gave up a legit hit, but he pitched well. The problem is, his stuff is just too good. He can’t locate it in the strike zone because it moves so much. He’ll learn, but I will take that ERA any day. Remember, he’s a rookie. We should all be happy to have an arm like his. And why did we recall Chavez instead of Dunn? I’m guessing it has something to do with options.
June 16th, 201011:43 pm
Heyward only has 2 HR in the past 6 weeks
“Get Out The WAYYY!” Pretty Boy coming Through!”
(Joking) Whats up all…?
Mike, the Cards have the same problem with the pen too. Maybe thats why some of us dont get as vocal with the pen use, even though it does annoy us. The ones who live away from Atlanta realize that all major league teams have the same problem. Thats not a shot at anyone, just how it is. We(the ones in other states) see our local team’s fans complaining about the exact same thing.
June 16th, 201011:49 pm
Enjoyin the win Tomahawkin…you?
June 16th, 201011:50 pm
I really get a kick out of watching the Mets games(its all i get way up here) and how they talk up Ike Davis. Couple nights back they were talking about how he could have the same impact on the Mets that Heyward has with the Braves. Now come on, REALLY? I will say Davis is a good player but he cant hold a candle to Heyward, slump or not.
June 16th, 201011:54 pm
Eric, that’s absurd, lol.
NNY BF, I’m sure the Mets are ready to hand over the keys to the city to Davis. They really needed a boost and he gave them one. He looks like a nice player. The thing about Heyward is that, one, he’s better, and two, he’s so good at 20 years old. He should be in high-A ball about now.
June 16th, 201011:56 pm
Just got home from work…Still sweating My A..s Off. Its still Hot as Balls Outside…!
Catching up on the blog…
What did I miss?
June 17th, 201012:00 am
Not to Mention I hate running my AC…
I’m ready for Fall!
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