4:41 pm June 3, 2010, by David O'Brien
Ice Cold Beer!!!
June 4th, 20101:08 pm
I’m out till game time.
Ease™ in Buckhead
Team was Mad Men I believe…he is some youngster from Wake. Dominated…pfttt!
June 4th, 20101:11 pm
SB – like picking out a single penguin from a waddle of penguins? (I still don’t follow, but like the analogy)
June 4th, 20101:12 pm
That’s how long Vin Scully has been the man.
Vin Scully called Brooklyn’s only World Series. That’s how long he’s been the man. He’s called every single one of the Dodgers World Series victories
That’s cool man. No probs. Clarification is much appreciated.
Sarcasm is usually pretty tough to catch on the blog anyway.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 4th, 20101:13 pm
Thanks, jeffrey d! You don’t have anything to worry about!
June 4th, 20101:15 pm
Just saying its tough for a quick scroll (visual familiarity with blog names and all that)
Atleast that’s what I believe BAS was referring to.
BTW – is waddle the collective noun.Quite interesting and funny.
June 4th, 20101:19 pm
Regarding posts by Don-Tard and others: scroll down is your friend. I want more of you to do this so I don’t get the gist of Don’s comments when I read yours.
June 4th, 20101:21 pm
SB – It is, random bit of knowledge. And I am sure McFann knew that too, so only a couple of days in AA is needed.
Gotcha! BAS (his posts, that is) needs more than a quick scroll sometimes to get what he was referring to…But how about him getting too drunk to blog last night? That was weird!
Looks like No. 6 does know how to construct a lineup
“The results are pretty much the same: a team’s best hitters should bat first, second, and fourth, with third and fifth coming next and sixth through ninth going in descending order. ”
June 4th, 20101:24 pm
Mr. Tyree – the gist of Don-key’s post were discerned long long ago. Now he is the blogs’ punching donkey (i.e. the horse that you keep kicking when he is down). Kinda fun and harmless now since all he does is cut and paste his posts.
Brian from SC
June 4th, 20101:25 pm
I’m surprised they didn’t say that you should bat the worst hitter eighth. Most of the math-kinda things I’ve seen like it that way so your best hitters (at the top of the order) have more runners on in front of them.
June 4th, 20101:27 pm
With some of the P&M club out in force yesterday – for just a close game- one needed to be too drunk to keep on blogging.
Talking about weird late night posts, if you or anyone figures out why uga-brave posts like that, please enlighten me.So far I’ve seen fastidious Moe carry on investment conversations with him, but thats about it.
T for Texas
June 4th, 20101:28 pm
Glad it’s all cool, man.
June 4th, 20101:31 pm
uga is usually just as drunk as BAS (and here I will preface, not that there is anything wrong with that), probably more so since I don’t believe he is west coast…as far as the commodities, Moe and BAS are into that. Plus gives BAS someone to talk to
June 4th, 20101:35 pm
SB – BTW, do you work for BP?
June 4th, 20101:38 pm
Peter over at Capitol Avenue Club <> says the proper batting order (numbers equaling quality of hitter in lineup, with 1 being the best and 9 being the worst) should go: 3, 1, 4, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. That makes a lot of sense to me.
June 4th, 20101:39 pm
Well BAS and uga-brave are quite lucid for all that.
BP no why? Is it the “work” part of it that’s a question.
June 4th, 20101:42 pm
SeATLite – be careful with Pdub though…He believes that statistical analysis is the end all be all, with little practical basis behind his analysis (i.e. the human factor). But that is probably just his GT education!
June 4th, 20101:44 pm
SB – no, we were talkin’ commodities(ish) and nothing has fallin’ quite like BP’s stock and….
Just got this question fielded by Jason Stark in his espn chat:
So when Stanton comes up, what do the Marlins do? The crazy thing that stands out to me is that the Braves and Marlins look like perfect trade partners. Cody Ross would look great in the Braves outfiled… and the Braves have the bullpen depth that the marlins don’t. But I can’t see a trade happening like that in the division.
I don’t see any scenario where Cody Ross becomes the odd man out. They seem to be going back and forth on whether it’s Chris Coghlan or Cameron Maybin who gets sent down. But the one thing that seems clear is that they’re not going to platoon those two. They’d want them both to play — one in the big leagues, the other in the minor leagues.
Got to say that, on the surface, I don’t necessaily agree. When have the Marlins NOT solved this problem by moving the guy with the most service time and with the highest projected salary in the next season.
But I do have to admit that his connections and sources are probably a wee bit better than mine.
June 4th, 20101:45 pm
Vin Scully said this about stats. Not sure if I buy that completely, but sounds good.
“Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, not illumination.”
….. free fallin’
June 4th, 20101:47 pm
Our magic number is now 108, we’re getting there.
June 4th, 20101:49 pm
Eye’n Glen up there…
June 4th, 20101:52 pm
jayson Stark just asked the trivia question:
This is a Dave Trembley-inspired question, so it’s tough. Only three other men have managed in the big leagues in this millennium even though they never played professional baseball. Think you can name them? I’ll be honest. I couldn’t get all three till I looked them up. Good luck.
I am trying to tell him that Ted Turner must be one of them, but he is ignoring me.
June 4th, 20101:54 pm
That’s a hilarious guess, but Ted Turner didn’t manage in this millennium. And he didn’t manage long in the last millennium, either!
I am guessing that Fredi G. is one of them? (heard that somewhere)
Don Bill Shanks sorta agrees with you.
So the Braves have done pretty well in its first 54 games, going 32-22 – ten games over .500. That’s remarkable considering the nine-game losing streak the team suffered through in late April.
Could you imagine if the Braves had even gone 4-5 in that nine-game stretch? They’d be 36-18 right now and have the best record in baseball.
June 4th, 20101:56 pm
LaRussa and Leyland?
Fredi G played minor league ball. These three never played professional baseball. John Boles and Trey Hilman are two of them.
June 4th, 20101:57 pm
Wait, didn’t the Astro’s hire someone out of the booth to manage?
June 4th, 20101:58 pm
Well then Connie Mac is obviously the third!
Glen W: Only three other men have managed in the big leagues in this millennium…I am trying to tell him that Ted Turner must be one of them
Ted Turner didn’t manage in this millennium. He managed last millennium. Last Century. And that was still decades ago. This millennium begins in 2000 and spans only 1 decade and a tenth of a century.
Carlos Tosca, John Boles, Trey Hilman.
June 4th, 20101:59 pm
It’s actually just Boles and Carlos Tosca. Hillman played in the minors. Stark goofed that one.
June 4th, 20102:01 pm
Tennessee Paul, you are right. And I have no idea why I didn’t interpret the question that way. I’m an idiot.
Yeah that was me. I’ve been to the show once.
June 4th, 20102:03 pm
Vin Scully’s been calling games for the dodgers for 61 years now…he has been the Man for a loooong time
June 4th, 20102:04 pm
So how long will it take before we see Venters’ Vultures at Turner Field?
I blame Stark for being snarky and saying, “in this millenia.” I mean why say that when you are 10 years into it? Why not say “since 2000″.
It’s his fault.
June 4th, 20102:07 pm
Eh, he wasn’t even right about his own trivia. Hillman played in 162 minor league games:
cabravesfan – PAC-16 baby!
June 4th, 20102:09 pm
TennPaul – I would not admit that, at least in public…Houston is not known for making the best of choices. But seriously, was I wrong in my recall?
June 4th, 20102:11 pm
Ease, I think you are thinking of Larry Dierker, if I recall it correctly. But he had a substantial major league career.
June 4th, 20102:13 pm
Ease™ in Buckhead -
Well I admit the idea is intriguing, I am not optimistic that it will happen, despite the rumors
June 4th, 20102:17 pm
Glen, thanks, that sounds right…Google has banned me for asking too many stupid questions today.
cabravesfan – Pac-16, Big-16 and whatever is left over, intriguing yes, and yet the SEC still reigns supreme!
June 4th, 20102:18 pm
Ease @ 1:21–
What is it that I knew?
cs95 in a one-run game, late-innings, who would you rather have coming out of the pen, medlen or KK?
why does KK have to pitch late innings if he goes to the ‘pen? medlen wasnt doing that much out of the pen. he was long relief, meaning its usually relatively early in the game.
in a one run, late inning situation, i want wagner, or saito, or o’flarety, or moylan, or even venters. late innings one run situations are covered, dude.
like i said, i dont have a position, but i do think its bad reasoning to say “KK has been pitching better lately, so he should stay in the rotation…” when his “better” still isnt as good as any of the other 4 guys.
June 4th, 20102:19 pm
The Braves have the best home record in baseball as June 4th. Wow.
June 4th, 20102:23 pm
pac16, and snowball to other conferences. I’m ready. I need for my alma mater, ECU to get in a BCS conference.
June 4th, 20102:24 pm
Brian from SC-
You forgot Bruce Chen…. SP Royals
June 4th, 20102:31 pm
“better still isn’t as good as the other 4 guys”. Isn’t that the definition of a 5th starter?
June 4th, 20102:35 pm
braveslifer…nah, I included him. He’s categorized as a RP because he did more of that with the Braves than he did start. I wavered on what to categorize him as.
June 4th, 20102:36 pm
To me it comes down to this… if the Braves as an organziation see Medlen as an starting pitcher in the long term, there is no reason to put him back in thge pen now. If they view him as a reliever, it makes sense to put him back in the pen.
Well, there is one potential reason to put him back in the pen even if you see him as a starting pitcher in the longer term. If you hope to trade KK, keeping him in the rotation helps his trade value a little bit.
June 4th, 20102:37 pm
The only players left who have played every inning of every game are Ryan Howard and Ichiro.
I really don’t think the Braves see Medlen as a starter long-term, honestly.
June 4th, 20102:38 pm
Perfect Games controversial Ump interview on the Radio here in Phillis right now…Guess who’s pitching tonight for the Phillis after his Perfect Games?…Yes Roy Halladay…I guess the Perfect Game still follow Jim Joyce..uhm…
June 4th, 20102:40 pm
chc4: you mean anything new on Saito since the postgame update? If so, then no. It’s 11:30 a.m. out here. Wouldn’t anticipate knowing anything new on Saito until clubhouse opens at 3:30 p.m. For today, at least, I’m not really expecting anything more than, “We’ll give it a few days and see how he responds to treatment.”
June 4th, 20102:41 pm
Hmm…according to CNN, as a last ditch effort to help fix the oil spill disaster, the government has sent several dipsticks down to the gulf to check it out.
(The above post is political only if you read it that way.)
Steve from OH
Impressive showing for Braves’ pitchers on the BA Hot Sheet this week:
Mike Minor, LHP
Team: Double-A Mississippi (Southern)
Why He’s Here: 0-0, 0.00, 8 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 11 SO
The Scoop: If you love pitching, there were few places better to be this season than Trustmark Park on Thursday. Facing off against Jake McGee (No. 1 on the Hot Sheet), Minor shut down the Montgomery lineup for eight innings. But with McGee matching him pitch for pitch, the game went into the 10th inning without a run being scored. Montgomery plated three for the win, for your information.
Minor has been even better than anyone could have expected this year. The seventh overall pick last year has shown improved velocity, excellent command and several out-pitches (he leads the minors with 91 strikeouts). Minor has been one of the better starting pitching prospects in the minors, though he faces stiff competition for that distinction within his own organization. Class A righties Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino and Randall Delgado are all impressive in their own right.
JJ Hoover, RHP
Team: high Class A Myrtle Beach (Carolina)
Why He’s Here: 2-0, 2.25, 14 2/3 IP, 9 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 HR, 13 SO, 0 BB.
The Scoop: Hoover has overcome a sluggish start to the year, his first full season in the starting rotation, and has overwhelmed hitters over the last four weeks. The two earned runs he yielded against Salem yesterday were his first since May 18. After a six-run disaster on May 3, the 2008 10th-round pick out Calhoun (Ala.) CC has yielded just seven runs and 30 hits in 34 innings over six starts. He has 35 strikeouts and six walks during that span. Hoover has excelled by pounding the strike zone with a fastball topping out at 94 mph, an above-average curveball and solid changeup.
Julio Teheran, RHP
Team: high Class A Myrtle Beach (Carolina)
Why He’s Here: 1-0, 0.00, 8 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 14 SO
The Scoop: As well as the Braves’ top pitching prospects have performed this season, none can match the numbers Teheran is putting up. The minors’ ERA leader at 0.90 in 60 innings, he’s making his fourth Hot Sheet appearance this season. Let’s just say that he hasn’t skipped a beat since moving up to Myrtle Beach from low Class A Rome a couple weeks ago.
South Atlantic League hitters were no match for Teheran’s power fastball, deceptive changeup and promising curveball. And their Carolina League brethren have fared no better. In three starts with the Pelicans, Teheran has put up an electrifying 28-to-4 strikeout-to-walk ratio, with a pair of double-digit strikeout efforts. He’s given up only one run in those three starts—a solo homer in the second inning of his Pelicans debut. He’s embarked on a 19-inning shutout streak since then. In addition to leading the minors in ERA, he’s also sixth in strikeouts (73) and fourth in opponent average (.174).
Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
Team: low Class A Rome (South Atlantic)
Why He’s Here: 2-0, 0.00, 13 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 10 SO
The Scoop: It hasn’t been a great year for Braves’ position prospects, but when the system boasts young arms like the Braves do, that may be just nitpicking. Four Braves made the cut this week, and at least one has been present in each of the last six weeks. Vizcaino has dominated the Sally League as a 20-year-old, and he’s doing it with elite stuff, including a mid- to high-90s fastball and a tight breaking ball. Perhaps most impressive: He hasn’t walked a batter in 38 innings.
Glad to see Hoover get some love. A real sleeper in our system due to its depth, but he’s still a good prospect.
Wait..Jim Joyce also was in Oakland for the No-hitting…no?…Wow
June 4th, 20102:42 pm
The Wire is going to start July 18 on channel 101 Directv. They are advertising it as the complete series, which would be fantastic. The Wire has been called the greatest television series ever and lasted for five seasons and had sixty episodes.
Now that I’ve had my cholesterol belly bomb of a breakfast at the venerable greasy spoon Original Pantry Cafe in downtown L.A. (sourdough toast, two eggs, hash browns), time to write a new blog.
Medlin said he likes BP. I think he can do either (as he has proved this year), but we have an abundance of starters, barring injury or trade.
June 4th, 20102:44 pm
I still have high hope for KK as starter. He seems to get better as season progresses. Also has pitched into bad luck – should have already won 2-4 games.
June 4th, 20102:45 pm
Ease: I would not admit that, at least in public…Houston is not known for making the best of choices.
Yes, well that’s what distinguishes me from many on the blog here; the ability to laugh at myself, and I don’t pretend to know more than every manager and player in the game… just more than many of the bloggers.
June 4th, 20102:47 pm
Now that I’ve had my cholesterol belly-bomb of a breakfast at the venerable greasy spoon Original Pantry Cafe in downtown L.A. (sourdough toast, two eggs, hash browns), time to write a new blog.
“I love the sound of clogging arteries in the morning. Sounds like…baseball.”
Thought you all might enjoy the first paragraphs from today’s game story in L.A. Times:
By Dylan Hernandez
The Dodgers didn’t hit any worse than they had the previous two days.
Only this time, they were playing the Atlanta Braves, not the Arizona Diamondbacks. This time, there were consequences.
By the time Manny Ramirez stopped, dropped and rolled on the left-field grass in the sixth inning to turn a potential lineout by Braves pitcher Kris Medlen into a run-scoring double, the Dodgers’ fate was sealed….
TNPaul – great attitude – some of these guys take themselves way too seriously.
June 4th, 20102:51 pm
DOB: Thanks for that. I like reading Dylan. That guy pulls no punches.
June 4th, 20102:52 pm
Glad to see Hoover get some love. A real sleeper in our system due to its depth, but he’s still a good prospect.
Yeah, but it certainly does appear that many of those pitchers embraced in the warmth of prospect-hugging a year ago, now shiver from the cold touch of the trade market.
sri “The results are pretty much the same: a team’s best hitters should bat first, second, and fourth, with third and fifth coming next and sixth through ninth going in descending order. ” (fangraphs)
but wait…i thought batting order didnt matter? is shaun here?
SeATLite Peter over at Capitol Avenue Club says the proper batting order (numbers equaling quality of hitter in lineup, with 1 being the best and 9 being the worst) should go: 3, 1, 4, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. That makes a lot of sense to me.
but how do you decide best or worst? based on OBP? OPS? its still so subjective.
TennessePaul, I’ve got to give you credit…I think you do know more than most of the bloggers in here, and I really think you know almost as much as me. Almost.
June 4th, 20102:53 pm
The Pantry is one of my favorite places…never actually had anything other then their breakfast but it is good
raleighbravesfan “better still isn’t as good as the other 4 guys”. Isn’t that the definition of a 5th starter?
its the definition of a 6th starter (aka long reliever) in this context, talking about when jurrjens comes back and one current SP needs to go to the bullpen.
June 4th, 20102:54 pm
That’s funny stuff DOB.
I think Shaun, me, and other statheads would say that batting order does matter some, as in it’s worth doing the right thing, but it doesn’t matter nearly as much as the general baseball public makes it out to matter.
June 4th, 20102:56 pm
scoots–I don’t even wanna think about that right now, LOL!
June 4th, 20102:57 pm
Careful DOB…Cholesterol level going to the roof and when you hit the 50’s your Doc going to give you a ton of Statin medication….No Good..
June 4th, 20102:58 pm
I still think that many players have a preference regarding where they bat in the order. I know I was that way during my brief, not at all impressive, non-professional career. I think keeping players comfortable is a pretty big deal in a game as difficult as baseball at the MLB level. I think that is more important that what any stats would tell you.
Rob from SC
June 4th, 20102:59 pm
Any comments from Heyward on his recent struggles. He is chasing a lot of pitches
June 4th, 20103:00 pm
I can’t believe we haven’t already thought of this….
Jason Heyward can stop the oil leak. All we have to do is fly him over the gusher and let him give it a threatening glance. Voila! (Or…”walll-ah!”)
June 4th, 20103:01 pm
DAP – You are correct.
June 4th, 20103:02 pm
I hope you don’t ask Heyward about his “recent struggles”. Lets give him a week or so, shall we Rob?
Speaking of tonight’s starter Kawakami (0-7), anyone notice K.C.’s Zack Greinke lost again last night and is now 1-7 despite a 3.60 ERA?
June 4th, 20103:04 pm
Rob from SC: My comment is that it’s four games, and he’s hit a few balls quite hard in that stretch. And every time, without fail, that he’s struggled for more than a few games this season, he’s come back with a surge usually two or three times as long as the mini “slump.”
June 4th, 20103:05 pm
Yeah, 4 games don’t count as recent struggles in my book. Especially when you have only stuck out twice in those four games. He’s being pitched around a bit. And pitcher are challenging him with high fastballs as of the last few games. Just another adjustment.
JerseyGil: you can mix in a meal like that when you generally eat healthier stuff.
June 4th, 20103:06 pm
DOB – I caught the end of the Angels’ game yesterday and heard that – immediately texted someone that KK could match his record tonight…
DAP: as i recall, medlen was pitching in the sixth and 7th innings at times. and if not than he probably would have been at times with saito and wanger unavailable after pitching multiple days. My point was that medlen has that ability to be an above average reliever because he has an out pitch (changeup) and the ability to strike people out and NOT walk people. While KK has been better I don’t trust him to be able to get a key out to even bridge the gap to guys like moylan, eric, etc.
June 4th, 20103:10 pm
DOB…i just concern about you, that all , we want to keep you in the blog for a long time Dude..yesterday you was talking about hamburguer join…
“……stopped, dropped and rolled….”
Oh my goodness! lol
June 4th, 20103:12 pm
cs95 My point was that medlen has that ability to be an above average reliever because he has an out pitch (changeup) and the ability to strike people out and NOT walk people. While KK has been better I don’t trust him to be able to get a key out to even bridge the gap to guys like moylan, eric, etc.
i get that, but im just saying, KK pitching “better lately” isnt a reason to leave him in the rotation. its got to be a better reason than that. the reason you give is a fine one.
June 4th, 20103:13 pm
Jersey Gil, thanks, but worry about your own health, bro. My cholesterol’s been checked every 18-24 months for 10 years, and is within healthy range. And that’s enough of that boring discussion.
Lol….Now DOB gets Martinated.
June 4th, 20103:14 pm
cabravesfan: yeah, definitely one of those places where I can’t imagine going for anything but breakfast, regardless of the hour. It’s always crowded, but you can sneak in and get a solo seat at the counter without waiting in that long line. (but don’t tell anyone.)
June 4th, 20103:22 pm
DAP: good point… i was trying to convey that the first go around, but I guess i explained it wrong. the best solution i think is for chipper to retire and lowe to be traded this offseason (after a good year). Then the braves have money($28mil alone) for long term deals of our young guys and/or a big bat 3B/LF. Move medlen or minor into the rotation.
June 4th, 20103:23 pm
My dad and I used to go there before USC basketball games, sit at the counter, and order breakfast at 6:00 at night. In and out (and full) in less then 30 minutes
June 4th, 20103:26 pm
I have nothing to say just wanted to make a post with my new screen name and eeeeee’s in it.
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