With Saito out, this would be the perfect opportunity for Kawakami to come out of the rotation and become one of the late inning relief pitchers. Until JJ is back, call up someone to be the 5th starter.
With Saito out, this would be the perfect opportunity for Kawakami to come out of the rotation and become one of the late inning relief pitchers. Until JJ is back, call up someone to be the 5th starter.
I read your post and immediately heard one of those buzzers that goes off on game shows when you get a question wrong.
Churchy:…So many situation with the Stock of Pitching arm in the minor, we can bring Resop up, put KK in the pen or put Medlen back in the Pen..he said that he like the Pen.
Chipper has been one of the ALL TIME great hitters; not just because of his great stat totals, but because he was such a great hitter against the best pitchers – and in close game situatuions – and late in close games – and in game determining situations. Now, however, it is sad to see him hit – he seems to be almost helpless against good pitching.
And, surely even the strongest Cox supporters must admit that it is
hard to believe that Bobby Cox (after last season and after his hitting in the low .200s for most of this season and especially not producing against good pitching/in close game situations) has conintuously kept him in the 3rd spot in the batting order. — Absolutely absurd and unbelievable. But probably the only way that Cox will change this is for Chipper to suggest it. Being a players manager is one thing but placing wanting players to like you above what is good for the team is quite another.
brian-
that was me asking about mclouth – thank you, and he drove in a big run last night. joe even remarked that regardless of the slump, he has helped them win a few games which makes me confident they will again find a way to beat a very tough pitcher tonight.
So, I haven’t been able to watch any games the past few days because of work. I notice from the box scores that Heyward has cooled alot. Is he still hitting the ball hard and just bad luck? Last game I watched, he hit alot of choppers, like he was getting on top of the ball too much.
I still don’t understand all the KK haters…The way the dude has pitched recently (May) he would have to throw a perfect game and hit his own home run, and that’s even with the Braves on their current tear…
Don, how does it feel now that the Braves and Bobby Cox are making you out to be the biggest fool on the internet? I see you’re still in denial that the Braves are good and Cox is doing a great job. You’re kinda alone on your desert island at this point.
I went to bed early last night..I wakeup at 5:00am this morning and watch the Game…Good game, Medlen was amazing 8th inning, Esco make some good play to.. and Mr.Glaus still hitting. One of the think i like was after O’Flaherty K, he was fireup…Like to see that on a team..
LWB, he has been hitting the ball hard…not as much the past couple of days. It looks to me like he’s actually swung a little bit too far in the aggressive direction and is getting himself out early in the count some. But he doesn’t need to change a thing…he’s just fine. I would be surprised if he didn’t break out with a slew of hits sometime in the next couple of games.
Looks like what several of us had feared has happened – The Bobby Cox influence has gotten to Heyward. Cox had been telling him to be more agressive (perhaps along with other things). Now he has started trying to pull almost everything – or at least a lot more. The results are obvious – his average is now down to .282 and going South. It would have been great if he had been mature enough to ignore Cox and Pendleton.
Why not? Make him a 1 inning pitcher. He’s never had that role. We have better options that him in the starting rotation.
Maybe because we have better options than him for late inning relief. Plus, the guy hasn’t pitched that bad his last few starts. What drives me crazy about the guy is, it always seems that right after the Braves score a run or two for him, he’ll go right out the next inning and give those runs back. Seeing Bobby put him in in the 7th or 8th with a one or two run lead would do more than just drive us crazy I think.
FlintRiverFunk,
LOL. When we got Ryan Church last year, I called him Churchy to help make of for the loss of Frenchy. I don’t miss Frenchy’s play – I always thought he was a cool guy.
Chipper’s stats indicate that he has been a great hitter. However, even they do not really give full measure to how great he has really been – BECAUSE he has had such great produciton against the best pitchers – in close games, in late innings in close games – and in game detrmining situations. He has truly been one of the great all time hitters.
But now it is sad to see him play. He seems almost helpless against good pitching.
And for Bobby Cox to have kept him in the 3rd spot in the batting order last season and so far all of this season is absolutely absurd – only Bobby Cox.
But the worst thing is that the Braves are obligated to pay 14 Million per year for the next 3 years (counting this year). This puts a huge cloud over their potential to compete for two additional years after this because this is a significant part of their total salary budget and will prevent them from acquiring a productive player or players – unless Chipper on his own decides to retire. But this would be difficult for any player to do – to give away 28 million dollars for the next two years after this year. His defensive play makes the situation evern worse.
Kawakami in his last three starts has 18.2 innings, 16 hits, 5 runs and 3 BB. All Quality Starts Teams are hitting .235 against him. Despite his personal record, the team has won 3 of his last 4 starts. Yep, the perfect time to turn him into a setup man.
That could be the case with Kawakami.
It’s just a thought. I was thinking 6th, 7th, 8th inning depending on the situation. I’d still rate some of the other relievers higher. Would be able to save the over guys for over-use. I’m not sure what to say. I like Medlen in the rotation. I like Kawakami – I think he is better than just being a mop up.
If Chipper doesn’t come around, he may well retire, money or no money. Chipper’s said on more than one occasion that he doesn’t intend to hang on if his offense isn’t there anymore.
But there’s still a lot more season left to play. Chipper has time. We’ll see.
Brian, you seem to have entirely missed the point. I have never said that the Braves did not have the potential to be good. In fact, my entire point has been that they do have that potential. Pitching is the name of the game, and they have GREAT pitching talent. And they have enough offensive potential. But Bobby Cox having done a great job is an entirely different question. You can pretend all you want – But you cannot change the fact that during the 9 game losing streak he: (1) Continued to use Melky (when he had already produced next to nothing for the enitire 1/4 of the season to that point) instead of giving Hinske a chance; (2) Continued to use McLouth (when he too had produced next to nothing for the enrtire 1/4 of the season) instead of giving Infante and opportunity; (3) and continued to keep Chipper in the 3rd spot in the batting order (even if you were going to keep him in the lineup) when he had not really been productive in 1 and 1/4 seasons and was hitting ing the low .200s. – Not to even mention strategy moves within games.
Your basis for judging whether something is good or bad is not whether the move itself is good or bad – but rather wherter Bobby Cox does it.
That is, you can take the “same move or action” – and if Bobby Cox does this thing it is great – or on the other hand if he does not do it, does just the opposite – it is great. It is just whatever Cox does or does not do that determines whether something is good or bad – not a judgement on the action itself.
During the Braves’ 9-game win streak, they have not given up more than 3 runs in any game. That’s the longest streak of giving up 3 or fewer runs for the Braves since 2002, when they did it for 12 games in a row. The Braves rotation that put that streak together: Maddux, Glavine, Millwood, Marquis, and Moss.
One interesting thing about the current streak is the consistency: they’ve given up exactly three runs in 7 of the 9 games.
DOB, this may have been mentioned alrady, and its not a big deal, but im pretty sure peter maylan’s intro music is NOT “thunderstruck” by AC/DC. its “TNT”.
Would someone please wake Mr. Cox up and tell him that the season is 1/3 over and he is still playing an outfielder as a regular who is hitting .179. And unlike continuing to play Escobar when he is not hitting or Glaus when he was not hitting (both of these guys have been good hitters in the past, and thus, there is a strong basis to expect them to be able to bounce back); whereas McLouth has hit in the .250s or below in every one of his major league seasons except one. So what is Cox expecting him to bounce back to – even if he does improve from the .179. Granted Infante is not quite as good defensively in Center as McLouth – but PLEASE, he is hitting over .300 compared to McLouth’s .179. When you have some questionable hitting spots in the batting order otherwise, you cannot go with an outfielder hitting .179.
Of couse, as usual, it takes Cox forever to make a move that is obvious to everyone. – Just like it took two years for him to decide to play Prado, and it took him over 1/4 of the season this year to stop playing Melky (who was producting next to nothing at that time) and start giving Hinske some playing time, and and he kept Chipper in the 3rd spot in the batting order continously when he hit in the low .200s until recently.
kind of weird how all 25 have contributed to wins in some way or another. -thinbreakness
This might be Bobby’s best managing job in a while. He didn’t have a good year last year, in my view. ‘Course, it doesn’t hurt that he has a very strong bench and bullpen.
And Frank Wren is finally getting some results. I’ve liked most of his moves individually, but they never added up – until now.
“I have never said that the Braves did not have the potential to be good. In fact, my entire point has been that they do have that potential.”
Don, the Braves are good. The Bravos are leading the NL East and are a half game away from the best record in the National League. What more do you want at this point?
“Anyone notice that Wagner and Soriano have almost the same numbers. Soriano has more saves though.”
As to more saves for Soriano, Tampa Bay played consistently better ball earlier than the Braves. Wagner should be getting more save opportunities moving forward now that the Bravos have turned the corner.
I’ll bet Wagner’s numbers are better than Soriano’s at the close of the season, if Wagner stays healthy.
It’s the official 1/3 mark of the season. Makes it easy to play with paces…just triple everything.
The Braves are on a pace to go 96-66 and win the division by 9 games.
They are on pace to walk 741 times, which would be an all-time National League record, and the most by any team since 2000, the height of the steroid era.
The have a .349 OBP…if they can break .350, it would be just the second time doing so in modern franchise history. The other was in 1948. They also had a .349 OBP in 2003.
Jason Heyward is on pace for 114 RBI, which would be the 8th most all-time for a debut season. It would also be the 5th most all-time for a 20 year-old.
Heyward is on pace for 132 walks, which would easily be the most all-time in a debut season, and also easily the most all-time for a 20 year-old.
Troy Glaus is on pace for 126 RBI, which would make him the fourth Atlanta Brave to reach that mark (Sheffield, Aaron, A. Jones).
Martin Prado is on pace for 222 hits, which would be the most ever by an Atlanta Brave, and 4th most in all-time franchise history. He’s also on pace to score 123 runs, which would tie for 4th most in Atlanta history (Murphy, Furcal, Sheffield).
Really man are you still trying to make this argument even now? It is beyond inane at this point and entering the realm of pure unadulterated stupidity. Our offense, as is, with McLouth playing regularly and Jones batting 3rd, is now 8th in the majors in runs scored, and 3rd in the NL. We are steadily gaining ground on the best record in baseball. And I was at the Pirates game where chipper drove in the winning run. The next day he put us ahead of the Phillies with a 2 run homer, and his average and RBI numbers continue to climb. Add in the fact that opposing pitchers still FEAR him, and you have no argument to support your opinion whatsoever. Please man, just shut up, because at this point, every post you makes just demonstrates you seemingly bottomless stupidity.
I made an error…Heyward’s on pace for 99 walks, not 132. I accidentally multiplied that one by 4 instead of 3. That would still be like 4th most all-time for a debut season, and like 4th most all-time for a 20 year-old. Sorry about that.
I did a little research on the net .. and see that Farm Burger is … a concept .. a farm … a restaurant .. grass fed .. humane treatment of animals .. talented people using natural local ingredients to give people the best possible burger. Living in the Charlotte area .. I knew nothing about it except that DOB had mentioned it favorably. I am still interested in how it compares. Thanks for pointing out that it’s not a chain. It looks like a really good idea that I hope catches on. I would go there too .. if it was near where I live.
If I could sing like Paul McCartney and get funky like Etta James… NO way to say if eithe or both Soriano and Wagner will suffer injuries this year. Let’s hope Wagner goes the distance. And let’s hope that he reconsiders retiring if he has a super season.
Don,
I’m real dissaponted:( I really thought you had jumped this time. Well Hell maybe after we win 10 or 11 in a row it will finally push you over the edge!!!
DAP – he’s still in extended spring, I believe (not doing poorly, but still working on stuff)…and Resop has that June 15th deadline looming…seems logical to me…
I think it’s time we all realized that Troy fing Glaus has been completely ruined by Bobby Cox and his group of dysfunctional coaches.
Board up the TED the season will eventually be lost because of Bobby Cox!!!!!!! We knew from the outset that Bobby Cox was going to be the manager for this season. It is his same old management procedures and lack there of. Relax. The worst is yet to come.
anyone else notice that mike minor struck out eleven more batters last night and gave up only three hits in eight shutout innings? that makes 93 k’s in 63 2/3 innings for the year. i’m guessing he’s hurling in gwinnett before the all-star break, and if he continues to pitch this well, might be a september call-up for the bullpen. between teheran, minor, delgado, and vizcaino, frank wren’s definitely got a surplus of arms if he needs to trade for a big bat at the deadline….
charlotte observer – there is a nouveau concept going on around here called “sustainable” farming where restaurants basically only use local produce and meats shipped daily…and menu is based on what is available for that day…Farm Burger is one of the first with, well I won’t repost what you wrote, that is entering that concept. It is probably going to far surpass any “chain” restaurant in every aspect.
This blog entry from the AJC Maureen Downey is disturbing about the Atlanta Braves Players.
There are some appologists on that blog but the bottom line is the writer was only seeking a wave or a smile from players for those kids in the stands. Not like they were asking for handouts or even autographs. Unfortunately, most of today’s players forgot about how the fans left after the last strike and how MLB players were practically directed to invite the fans home for dinner just to get them back to the games. Worth a read and very well written.
I dunno. When I’ve been at Braves games (granted, I’ve been to 4 in my whole life), the players generally acknowledge the fans. Chipper wouldn’t acknowledge the older folks but when a little kid (at Pittsburgh) yelled out something to him during BP, he turned around and smiled and waved.
did someone just complain about Bobby Cox and a guy with a slash line of .282/.411/.553/.964? someone knows nothing about baseball but likes to create lame arguments
Ease, That was a direct quote from or buddy DON. I couldn’t resist the urge to save it. Nice prediction wasn’t it.
“We knew from the outset that Bobby Cox was going to be the manager for this season. It is his same old management procedures and lack there of. Relax. The worst is yet to come.”
If I could sing like Paul McCartney and get funky like Etta James
June 4th, 2010 10:39 am
Jeff Looking at both pictures I would say they have been on the DL alot. Let hope that is behind them. Wren got two closers as free agents and has one in waiting in the minors. We should be covered.
So the Braves have a nine game win streak and are half a game behind the best record in the NL, and Don (who has to be a cousin or something of Dentz) is bringing up a week long slump by a 20-year old rookie and blaming it on Bobby Cox. What “Stupidity Filter” wouldn’t shut a computer down over that?
Bay Area SteveAnd, did you folks catch that N8-like McFann post? Good stuff…
Thanks…I didn’t intend for it to be that long!
Couch TaterMcFann staying up later and later. Next thing you know, she and BAS will be talking turtles at 3am.
Haha! No…no 3am posts from me…at least, not in the foreseeable future. But see, I got this laptop now, so I don’t lose my Blogging privileges when I put The Bird to bed now. Plus, I can’t find that dumb radio station on my radio…needed the Gameday for just a little longer…
With this whole “perfect game that wasn’t” situation, who thinks it is inevitable that we are going to see replay expanded? I think most would agree that the earliest it can fully happen in the regular season is at the beginning of next year, with the way baseball likes to test and re-test.
I have to say I find it absolutely fitting that Bobby Cox is retiring the year before the (possible) implementation instant replay. The year before arguing could possibly become obsolete, or at least greatly diminished, in baseball. Funny how things work.
Ah, yes, and I see lots of folks on here were ripping McCann an old one for that play at the plate. PUH-lease! I watched that play and, not just because I’m bias, I don’t see what more he could have done! That was an exceptional tag, unfortunately.
And I am SICK of people saying he “never blocks the plate”! I’m about as sick of that as I am of him getting out with RISP. Did you people not see that DP against the Fillies on Tuesday night? He got bowled over and held onto the ball–he was blocking the plate.
Blocking the plate is illegal unless you have the ball in your possession. Unfortunately, it’s not enforced, and catchers do it literally all the time. It would probably prevent a lot of injuries if the rule was enforced.
buttermaker Yes, now that Kawakami is pitching better & better lets move him to the bullpen. That makes sense.
i dont have an official stance on this, but who in the rotation is kawakami out pitching? why has kawakami earned the chance to stay in the rotation more than the other 4 guys?
so the plan is just to rest saito for a few days and then see if he’s good to go? also, DOB do you think the braves would bring up kimbrel or resop to replace martinez, since saito isn’t available and martinez hasn’t been used much at all.
DAP: in a one-run game, late-innings, who would you rather have coming out of the pen, medlen or KK? i think by default KK isn’t as versatile as medlen or resop, so it’s more likely that medlen would go to the pen.
Joshua, the logic of your statement escapes me. Just because your offense is producing with something bad in the mix does not mean that it is good to continue with the weak elements. The Braves offense is not now producing in good form because McLouth is in the line up and because Chipper is batting 3rd; but rather IN SPITE of McLouth being in the lineup and Chipper batting 3rd. You are winning right now in spite of these two things – but you were not winning in the past -partially because of them (remeber the 9 game losing streak, even with our great Pitching); and you will not continue to win as many games in the future if these two things continue. Surely, you are not saying that it is logical to have a .179 hitter in the outfield whose upside potential is – having hit in the .250s or below in every season in his career except one, or to have a hitter in the 3rd spot in the order who has not been producing effectively now for 1 and 1/3 seasons. And I am not saying that McLouth never produces – obviously hitting .179 you sometimes produce. And I am not saying that Chipper should not be in the lineup – just not 3rd in the order.
cs95:that is the plan with Saito, at least for the time being. Cox said they could wait a “few days” with a pitcher, and noted that Saito would’ve needed to rest today even if he was healthy. But from what I saw after game, the way he was limping, he’s got to do some seriously quick healing to be ready to pitch in just a few days. And remember, he’s 40….
Oh, and yes, I’d imagine they’ve already discussed possibly getting Kimbrel back up, if they think that regular work in a crucial late-innings spot is something he’s ready for at this level. Resop’s June 15 deadline to be added to the 25-man roster or made available for trades is nearing, so anything’s possible with him. I know they like him in the starting role, since he’s had so much success there and they think it suits his approach and his versatile pitch repertoire better than relieving. But again, anything’s possible if Saito has to be DL’d.
Serious question. Since tonight is a KK start we know there will be an abundance of racist redneck posts from whoever that is that always does that. Is there nothing the ajc/DOB can do about that wipe?
DAP: D’oh. My bad. Didn’t think as I was typing that Moylan line. You’re absolutely correct. It’s “TNT.” I’ll fix now. Thanks.
Now that you mention think about it, “TNT” probably isn’t the best song for a relief pitcher entering a pressure situation with runners on base, you know what I mean?
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Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
9:10 am
Jersey – if Saito goes on the DL, might be the answer to the Resop question…
JerseyGil
June 4th, 2010
9:11 am
Ease…Yeah..i forgot about Resop….Thanks
Churchy
June 4th, 2010
9:13 am
With Saito out, this would be the perfect opportunity for Kawakami to come out of the rotation and become one of the late inning relief pitchers. Until JJ is back, call up someone to be the 5th starter.
FlintRiverFunk
June 4th, 2010
9:15 am
So the Braves should move a guy who sucked in middle relief late last season into one of the late inning relief roles? I don’t think so.
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
9:16 am
With Saito out, this would be the perfect opportunity for Kawakami to come out of the rotation and become one of the late inning relief pitchers. Until JJ is back, call up someone to be the 5th starter.
I read your post and immediately heard one of those buzzers that goes off on game shows when you get a question wrong.
JerseyGil
June 4th, 2010
9:18 am
Churchy:…So many situation with the Stock of Pitching arm in the minor, we can bring Resop up, put KK in the pen or put Medlen back in the Pen..he said that he like the Pen.
Don
June 4th, 2010
9:19 am
Chipper has been one of the ALL TIME great hitters; not just because of his great stat totals, but because he was such a great hitter against the best pitchers – and in close game situatuions – and late in close games – and in game determining situations. Now, however, it is sad to see him hit – he seems to be almost helpless against good pitching.
And, surely even the strongest Cox supporters must admit that it is
hard to believe that Bobby Cox (after last season and after his hitting in the low .200s for most of this season and especially not producing against good pitching/in close game situations) has conintuously kept him in the 3rd spot in the batting order. — Absolutely absurd and unbelievable. But probably the only way that Cox will change this is for Chipper to suggest it. Being a players manager is one thing but placing wanting players to like you above what is good for the team is quite another.
FlintRiverFunk
June 4th, 2010
9:19 am
Maybe that’s actually Ryan Church. That would explain the swing and miss there.
thinbreakness
June 4th, 2010
9:20 am
brian-
that was me asking about mclouth – thank you, and he drove in a big run last night. joe even remarked that regardless of the slump, he has helped them win a few games which makes me confident they will again find a way to beat a very tough pitcher tonight.
Churchy
June 4th, 2010
9:21 am
Why not? Make him a 1 inning pitcher. He’s never had that role. We have better options that him in the starting rotation.
LWB
June 4th, 2010
9:23 am
So, I haven’t been able to watch any games the past few days because of work. I notice from the box scores that Heyward has cooled alot. Is he still hitting the ball hard and just bad luck? Last game I watched, he hit alot of choppers, like he was getting on top of the ball too much.
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
9:23 am
I still don’t understand all the KK haters…The way the dude has pitched recently (May) he would have to throw a perfect game and hit his own home run, and that’s even with the Braves on their current tear…
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
9:24 am
Don, how does it feel now that the Braves and Bobby Cox are making you out to be the biggest fool on the internet? I see you’re still in denial that the Braves are good and Cox is doing a great job. You’re kinda alone on your desert island at this point.
JerseyGil
June 4th, 2010
9:26 am
I went to bed early last night..I wakeup at 5:00am this morning and watch the Game…Good game, Medlen was amazing 8th inning, Esco make some good play to.. and Mr.Glaus still hitting. One of the think i like was after O’Flaherty K, he was fireup…Like to see that on a team..
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
9:27 am
LWB, he has been hitting the ball hard…not as much the past couple of days. It looks to me like he’s actually swung a little bit too far in the aggressive direction and is getting himself out early in the count some. But he doesn’t need to change a thing…he’s just fine. I would be surprised if he didn’t break out with a slew of hits sometime in the next couple of games.
Don
June 4th, 2010
9:27 am
Looks like what several of us had feared has happened – The Bobby Cox influence has gotten to Heyward. Cox had been telling him to be more agressive (perhaps along with other things). Now he has started trying to pull almost everything – or at least a lot more. The results are obvious – his average is now down to .282 and going South. It would have been great if he had been mature enough to ignore Cox and Pendleton.
FlintRiverFunk
June 4th, 2010
9:27 am
Why not? Make him a 1 inning pitcher. He’s never had that role. We have better options that him in the starting rotation.
Maybe because we have better options than him for late inning relief. Plus, the guy hasn’t pitched that bad his last few starts. What drives me crazy about the guy is, it always seems that right after the Braves score a run or two for him, he’ll go right out the next inning and give those runs back. Seeing Bobby put him in in the 7th or 8th with a one or two run lead would do more than just drive us crazy I think.
Churchy
June 4th, 2010
9:28 am
FlintRiverFunk,
LOL. When we got Ryan Church last year, I called him Churchy to help make of for the loss of Frenchy. I don’t miss Frenchy’s play – I always thought he was a cool guy.
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
9:30 am
Don
June 2nd, 2010
8:57 am
Chipper’s stats indicate that he has been a great hitter. However, even they do not really give full measure to how great he has really been – BECAUSE he has had such great produciton against the best pitchers – in close games, in late innings in close games – and in game detrmining situations. He has truly been one of the great all time hitters.
But now it is sad to see him play. He seems almost helpless against good pitching.
And for Bobby Cox to have kept him in the 3rd spot in the batting order last season and so far all of this season is absolutely absurd – only Bobby Cox.
But the worst thing is that the Braves are obligated to pay 14 Million per year for the next 3 years (counting this year). This puts a huge cloud over their potential to compete for two additional years after this because this is a significant part of their total salary budget and will prevent them from acquiring a productive player or players – unless Chipper on his own decides to retire. But this would be difficult for any player to do – to give away 28 million dollars for the next two years after this year. His defensive play makes the situation evern worse.
Sound familiar anyone?
keylargo
June 4th, 2010
9:32 am
Kawakami in his last three starts has 18.2 innings, 16 hits, 5 runs and 3 BB. All Quality Starts Teams are hitting .235 against him. Despite his personal record, the team has won 3 of his last 4 starts. Yep, the perfect time to turn him into a setup man.
Jeff R
June 4th, 2010
9:32 am
“Cox conceded the possibility of going without Saito was a concern. ‘Any time you lose a guy like that — this guy is huge for us,’ he said.”
But wait, there’s always the magnificent Jesse Chavez.
BB fan
June 4th, 2010
9:33 am
1920!!
Churchy
June 4th, 2010
9:35 am
That could be the case with Kawakami.
It’s just a thought. I was thinking 6th, 7th, 8th inning depending on the situation. I’d still rate some of the other relievers higher. Would be able to save the over guys for over-use. I’m not sure what to say. I like Medlen in the rotation. I like Kawakami – I think he is better than just being a mop up.
Jeff R
June 4th, 2010
9:35 am
If Chipper doesn’t come around, he may well retire, money or no money. Chipper’s said on more than one occasion that he doesn’t intend to hang on if his offense isn’t there anymore.
But there’s still a lot more season left to play. Chipper has time. We’ll see.
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
9:36 am
You know Don is desperate when he’s complaining about Cox messing up a 20 YEAR OLD who is 5TH IN THE ENTIRE NATIONAL LEAGUE IN OPS.
The stupidity is just…awe-inspiring.
Arkansas Transplant
June 4th, 2010
9:36 am
What is wrong with Saito?
LWB
June 4th, 2010
9:37 am
Cool, thanks Brian.
Arkansas Transplant
June 4th, 2010
9:38 am
How about a sweep of the Dodgers? any takers? Tonights game is the big one.
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
9:40 am
We traded him to KC for DeJesus (and Jo Jo, Melky)…
Melky way
June 4th, 2010
9:41 am
Everybody who said Glaus was washed up go and stand in a corner until season end.LOL GO BRAVES!
Don
June 4th, 2010
9:42 am
Brian, you seem to have entirely missed the point. I have never said that the Braves did not have the potential to be good. In fact, my entire point has been that they do have that potential. Pitching is the name of the game, and they have GREAT pitching talent. And they have enough offensive potential. But Bobby Cox having done a great job is an entirely different question. You can pretend all you want – But you cannot change the fact that during the 9 game losing streak he: (1) Continued to use Melky (when he had already produced next to nothing for the enitire 1/4 of the season to that point) instead of giving Hinske a chance; (2) Continued to use McLouth (when he too had produced next to nothing for the enrtire 1/4 of the season) instead of giving Infante and opportunity; (3) and continued to keep Chipper in the 3rd spot in the batting order (even if you were going to keep him in the lineup) when he had not really been productive in 1 and 1/4 seasons and was hitting ing the low .200s. – Not to even mention strategy moves within games.
Your basis for judging whether something is good or bad is not whether the move itself is good or bad – but rather wherter Bobby Cox does it.
That is, you can take the “same move or action” – and if Bobby Cox does this thing it is great – or on the other hand if he does not do it, does just the opposite – it is great. It is just whatever Cox does or does not do that determines whether something is good or bad – not a judgement on the action itself.
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
9:43 am
During the Braves’ 9-game win streak, they have not given up more than 3 runs in any game. That’s the longest streak of giving up 3 or fewer runs for the Braves since 2002, when they did it for 12 games in a row. The Braves rotation that put that streak together: Maddux, Glavine, Millwood, Marquis, and Moss.
One interesting thing about the current streak is the consistency: they’ve given up exactly three runs in 7 of the 9 games.
DAP
June 4th, 2010
9:44 am
DOB, this may have been mentioned alrady, and its not a big deal, but im pretty sure peter maylan’s intro music is NOT “thunderstruck” by AC/DC. its “TNT”.
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
9:44 am
Again, sound familiar?
Don
June 1st, 2010
11:39 am
Would someone please wake Mr. Cox up and tell him that the season is 1/3 over and he is still playing an outfielder as a regular who is hitting .179. And unlike continuing to play Escobar when he is not hitting or Glaus when he was not hitting (both of these guys have been good hitters in the past, and thus, there is a strong basis to expect them to be able to bounce back); whereas McLouth has hit in the .250s or below in every one of his major league seasons except one. So what is Cox expecting him to bounce back to – even if he does improve from the .179. Granted Infante is not quite as good defensively in Center as McLouth – but PLEASE, he is hitting over .300 compared to McLouth’s .179. When you have some questionable hitting spots in the batting order otherwise, you cannot go with an outfielder hitting .179.
Of couse, as usual, it takes Cox forever to make a move that is obvious to everyone. – Just like it took two years for him to decide to play Prado, and it took him over 1/4 of the season this year to stop playing Melky (who was producting next to nothing at that time) and start giving Hinske some playing time, and and he kept Chipper in the 3rd spot in the batting order continously when he hit in the low .200s until recently.
GovClintonTyreeeee
June 4th, 2010
9:45 am
kind of weird how all 25 have contributed to wins in some way or another. -thinbreakness
This might be Bobby’s best managing job in a while. He didn’t have a good year last year, in my view. ‘Course, it doesn’t hurt that he has a very strong bench and bullpen.
And Frank Wren is finally getting some results. I’ve liked most of his moves individually, but they never added up – until now.
Nice job, Bobby. And nice job, Frank.
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
9:45 am
Don, I tried to read your post, but when I did, my McAfee popped up with a “Stupid Alert” and automatically closed my browser. I’ll try again later.
If I could sing like Paul McCartney and get funky like Etta James
June 4th, 2010
9:46 am
Anyone notice that Wagner and Soriano have almost the same numbers. Soriano has more saves though.
jeffrey d
June 4th, 2010
9:47 am
Don, I tried to read your post, but when I did, my McAfee popped up with a “Stupid Alert” and automatically closed my browser. I’ll try again later.
Brian – I’m gonna need you to send me a link to that software
Churchy
June 4th, 2010
9:47 am
The funny thing with Glaus…
If he went down with an injury, it would really hurt us. That would have been a funny statement back in April.
Jeff R
June 4th, 2010
9:49 am
“I have never said that the Braves did not have the potential to be good. In fact, my entire point has been that they do have that potential.”
Don, the Braves are good. The Bravos are leading the NL East and are a half game away from the best record in the National League. What more do you want at this point?
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
9:52 am
Hey, lets help Don-key enter the Marteeeeeeeeeeen sweepstakes, shall we?
Don-Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey!
Jeff R
June 4th, 2010
9:53 am
“Anyone notice that Wagner and Soriano have almost the same numbers. Soriano has more saves though.”
As to more saves for Soriano, Tampa Bay played consistently better ball earlier than the Braves. Wagner should be getting more save opportunities moving forward now that the Bravos have turned the corner.
I’ll bet Wagner’s numbers are better than Soriano’s at the close of the season, if Wagner stays healthy.
JerseyGil
June 4th, 2010
9:54 am
Jeff R…Don still Living “La Vida Loca” on April…moved on Don ,it June Now and the Bravos are live and kicking in FIRST PLACE.
If I could sing like Paul McCartney and get funky like Etta James
June 4th, 2010
10:02 am
Jeff R I don’t disagree. It is lilely that both will go down some time this year.
buttermaker
June 4th, 2010
10:04 am
Yes, now that Kawakami is pitching better & better lets move him to the bullpen. That makes sense.
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
10:05 am
It’s the official 1/3 mark of the season. Makes it easy to play with paces…just triple everything.
The Braves are on a pace to go 96-66 and win the division by 9 games.
They are on pace to walk 741 times, which would be an all-time National League record, and the most by any team since 2000, the height of the steroid era.
The have a .349 OBP…if they can break .350, it would be just the second time doing so in modern franchise history. The other was in 1948. They also had a .349 OBP in 2003.
Jason Heyward is on pace for 114 RBI, which would be the 8th most all-time for a debut season. It would also be the 5th most all-time for a 20 year-old.
Heyward is on pace for 132 walks, which would easily be the most all-time in a debut season, and also easily the most all-time for a 20 year-old.
Troy Glaus is on pace for 126 RBI, which would make him the fourth Atlanta Brave to reach that mark (Sheffield, Aaron, A. Jones).
Martin Prado is on pace for 222 hits, which would be the most ever by an Atlanta Brave, and 4th most in all-time franchise history. He’s also on pace to score 123 runs, which would tie for 4th most in Atlanta history (Murphy, Furcal, Sheffield).
DAP
June 4th, 2010
10:08 am
ease if Saito goes on the DL, might be the answer to the Resop question…
what about scott proctor? is he close yet?
Joshua
June 4th, 2010
10:09 am
Don -
Really man are you still trying to make this argument even now? It is beyond inane at this point and entering the realm of pure unadulterated stupidity. Our offense, as is, with McLouth playing regularly and Jones batting 3rd, is now 8th in the majors in runs scored, and 3rd in the NL. We are steadily gaining ground on the best record in baseball. And I was at the Pirates game where chipper drove in the winning run. The next day he put us ahead of the Phillies with a 2 run homer, and his average and RBI numbers continue to climb. Add in the fact that opposing pitchers still FEAR him, and you have no argument to support your opinion whatsoever. Please man, just shut up, because at this point, every post you makes just demonstrates you seemingly bottomless stupidity.
usnavyvolfaninva
June 4th, 2010
10:09 am
Jeff R…
Probably won’t be satisfied until they have home-field secured. And then they have to win over 100 games.
Hat Land Dub Raves
June 4th, 2010
10:10 am
Brian,
Thanks for the stats. 96-66 is actually what I predicted preseason. I definitely wanted to retract that at the end of April, though.
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
10:12 am
I made an error…Heyward’s on pace for 99 walks, not 132. I accidentally multiplied that one by 4 instead of 3. That would still be like 4th most all-time for a debut season, and like 4th most all-time for a 20 year-old. Sorry about that.
charlotte observer
June 4th, 2010
10:14 am
OK .. Ease in Buckhead …
I did a little research on the net .. and see that Farm Burger is … a concept .. a farm … a restaurant .. grass fed .. humane treatment of animals .. talented people using natural local ingredients to give people the best possible burger. Living in the Charlotte area .. I knew nothing about it except that DOB had mentioned it favorably. I am still interested in how it compares. Thanks for pointing out that it’s not a chain. It looks like a really good idea that I hope catches on. I would go there too .. if it was near where I live.
Jeff R
June 4th, 2010
10:15 am
If I could sing like Paul McCartney and get funky like Etta James… NO way to say if eithe or both Soriano and Wagner will suffer injuries this year. Let’s hope Wagner goes the distance. And let’s hope that he reconsiders retiring if he has a super season.
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
10:15 am
Also Heyward’s .964 OPS would be the 5th-highest OPS ever for a debut season, and the 5th-highest ever for a player 20 years old or younger.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
June 4th, 2010
10:15 am
Don,
I’m real dissaponted:( I really thought you had jumped this time. Well Hell maybe after we win 10 or 11 in a row it will finally push you over the edge!!!
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
10:23 am
DAP – he’s still in extended spring, I believe (not doing poorly, but still working on stuff)…and Resop has that June 15th deadline looming…seems logical to me…
CraZyTRaDeMaN
June 4th, 2010
10:25 am
I think it’s time we all realized that Troy fing Glaus has been completely ruined by Bobby Cox and his group of dysfunctional coaches.
Board up the TED the season will eventually be lost because of Bobby Cox!!!!!!! We knew from the outset that Bobby Cox was going to be the manager for this season. It is his same old management procedures and lack there of. Relax. The worst is yet to come.
// Sarcasum \\ FU Donny Downer (DON)
chin music
June 4th, 2010
10:27 am
anyone else notice that mike minor struck out eleven more batters last night and gave up only three hits in eight shutout innings? that makes 93 k’s in 63 2/3 innings for the year. i’m guessing he’s hurling in gwinnett before the all-star break, and if he continues to pitch this well, might be a september call-up for the bullpen. between teheran, minor, delgado, and vizcaino, frank wren’s definitely got a surplus of arms if he needs to trade for a big bat at the deadline….
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
10:28 am
charlotte observer – there is a nouveau concept going on around here called “sustainable” farming where restaurants basically only use local produce and meats shipped daily…and menu is based on what is available for that day…Farm Burger is one of the first with, well I won’t repost what you wrote, that is entering that concept. It is probably going to far surpass any “chain” restaurant in every aspect.
That's a Shame
June 4th, 2010
10:28 am
This blog entry from the AJC Maureen Downey is disturbing about the Atlanta Braves Players.
There are some appologists on that blog but the bottom line is the writer was only seeking a wave or a smile from players for those kids in the stands. Not like they were asking for handouts or even autographs. Unfortunately, most of today’s players forgot about how the fans left after the last strike and how MLB players were practically directed to invite the fans home for dinner just to get them back to the games. Worth a read and very well written.
http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2010/06/04/braves-players-strike-out-in-chance-to-be-role-models/
njbraves
June 4th, 2010
10:28 am
That’s strange, Don made a dumb comment. You don’t see those every day.
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
10:30 am
CraZyTRaDeMaN – The worst is yet to come.
Can’t wait!
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
10:31 am
LOL @ njbraves…(but he does not post on the weekend, so not everyday!…Even a Don-key needs sunlight every now and then))
If I could sing like Paul McCartney and get funky like Etta James
June 4th, 2010
10:34 am
Enter your comments here
Steve from OH
June 4th, 2010
10:34 am
I dunno. When I’ve been at Braves games (granted, I’ve been to 4 in my whole life), the players generally acknowledge the fans. Chipper wouldn’t acknowledge the older folks but when a little kid (at Pittsburgh) yelled out something to him during BP, he turned around and smiled and waved.
unbelievable
June 4th, 2010
10:35 am
did someone just complain about Bobby Cox and a guy with a slash line of .282/.411/.553/.964? someone knows nothing about baseball but likes to create lame arguments
Steve from OH
June 4th, 2010
10:35 am
And what really surprised me was Yunel signing autographs down the line for the fans for a good while.
That's a Shame
June 4th, 2010
10:36 am
AJC Blog “Get Schooled”
Your source to discuss and learn about education in Atlanta, Georgia and the nation.
“Braves players strike out in chance to be role models”
http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2010/06/04/braves-players-strike-out-in-chance-to-be-role-models/
CraZyTRaDeMaN
June 4th, 2010
10:37 am
Ease, That was a direct quote from or buddy DON. I couldn’t resist the urge to save it. Nice prediction wasn’t it.
“We knew from the outset that Bobby Cox was going to be the manager for this season. It is his same old management procedures and lack there of. Relax. The worst is yet to come.”
TennesseePaul
June 4th, 2010
10:38 am
If it helps….
Should the Braves win today and the Padres lose, the Braves will hold the best record in the NL…. you know, despite the fact that Don exists.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
June 4th, 2010
10:38 am
I, for one, was totally wrong about some of Wren’s off-season moves. The guy had vision, and/or, loads of good luck.
There. Crow ain’t so bad if you swallow it all at once.
If I could sing like Paul McCartney and get funky like Etta James
June 4th, 2010
10:39 am
Jeff Looking at both pictures I would say they have been on the DL alot. Let hope that is behind them. Wren got two closers as free agents and has one in waiting in the minors. We should be covered.
CraZyTRaDeMaN
June 4th, 2010
10:40 am
unbelievable, If you are referring to me I was making fun of the ridiculous comments posted by Don this morning. IT WAS SARCASUM!!!!
unbelievable
June 4th, 2010
10:40 am
thats a shame – how many times are you going to post that article? The Braves players do plenty for the community.
unbelievable
June 4th, 2010
10:41 am
CraZyTRaDeMaN – nope not you, just Don
FlintRiverFunk
June 4th, 2010
10:41 am
So the Braves have a nine game win streak and are half a game behind the best record in the NL, and Don (who has to be a cousin or something of Dentz) is bringing up a week long slump by a 20-year old rookie and blaming it on Bobby Cox. What “Stupidity Filter” wouldn’t shut a computer down over that?
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 4th, 2010
10:44 am
You’re welcome, Bobbeeee’s!
Bay Area Steve And, did you folks catch that N8-like McFann post? Good stuff…
Thanks…I didn’t intend for it to be that long!
Couch Tater McFann staying up later and later. Next thing you know, she and BAS will be talking turtles at 3am.
Haha! No…no 3am posts from me…at least, not in the foreseeable future.
But see, I got this laptop now, so I don’t lose my Blogging privileges when I put The Bird to bed now. Plus, I can’t find that dumb radio station on my radio…needed the Gameday for just a little longer…
zmerk13
June 4th, 2010
10:45 am
With this whole “perfect game that wasn’t” situation, who thinks it is inevitable that we are going to see replay expanded? I think most would agree that the earliest it can fully happen in the regular season is at the beginning of next year, with the way baseball likes to test and re-test.
I have to say I find it absolutely fitting that Bobby Cox is retiring the year before the (possible) implementation instant replay. The year before arguing could possibly become obsolete, or at least greatly diminished, in baseball. Funny how things work.
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
10:47 am
CraZyTRaDeMaN – Here’s (raises glass) to all the man’s (:?) wishes coming true!
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
10:49 am
McFann – Why not listen on the laptop? I can give a link…
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 4th, 2010
10:50 am
Ah, yes, and I see lots of folks on here were ripping McCann an old one for that play at the plate. PUH-lease! I watched that play and, not just because I’m bias, I don’t see what more he could have done! That was an exceptional tag, unfortunately.
And I am SICK of people saying he “never blocks the plate”! I’m about as sick of that as I am of him getting out with RISP. Did you people not see that DP against the Fillies on Tuesday night? He got bowled over and held onto the ball–he was blocking the plate.
So I don’t wanna read it. LAY OFF!!!
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 4th, 2010
10:51 am
Ease in Buckhead–
Hey, that’s a good idea! Thanks!
Peyton Manning
June 4th, 2010
10:53 am
That’s a Shame, Cut that meat!
Brian from SC
June 4th, 2010
10:54 am
Blocking the plate is illegal unless you have the ball in your possession. Unfortunately, it’s not enforced, and catchers do it literally all the time. It would probably prevent a lot of injuries if the rule was enforced.
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 4th, 2010
11:01 am
Brian from SC Blocking the plate is illegal unless you have the ball in your possession.
Ah-HA!! YES!! Now I’ve got the law on my side!
Thanks loads!
Crowd lovin it
June 4th, 2010
11:04 am
How to kill a winning streak: Start a chink. That’s what happened to the Dodgers yesterday, that’s what’s gonna happen to the Braves today.
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
11:06 am
Ok McFann, here’s the secretly encoded link, just for you!
DAP
June 4th, 2010
11:11 am
buttermaker Yes, now that Kawakami is pitching better & better lets move him to the bullpen. That makes sense.
i dont have an official stance on this, but who in the rotation is kawakami out pitching? why has kawakami earned the chance to stay in the rotation more than the other 4 guys?
McFann :Ô: :Ô:
June 4th, 2010
11:12 am
Thanks, Ease! We’re heading out the door, now, so I’ll click on it when we get home!
cs95
June 4th, 2010
11:17 am
so the plan is just to rest saito for a few days and then see if he’s good to go? also, DOB do you think the braves would bring up kimbrel or resop to replace martinez, since saito isn’t available and martinez hasn’t been used much at all.
David O'Brien
June 4th, 2010
11:17 am
Jim, regarding your 10:55 a.m. question about the last out of the game. Venters gets credit for the strikeout, along with the save.
FlintRiverFunk
June 4th, 2010
11:17 am
Maybe McCann doesn’t want to block the plate because he’s worried he might scratch his glasses. I kid, I kid….
cs95
June 4th, 2010
11:19 am
DAP: in a one-run game, late-innings, who would you rather have coming out of the pen, medlen or KK? i think by default KK isn’t as versatile as medlen or resop, so it’s more likely that medlen would go to the pen.
Don
June 4th, 2010
11:19 am
Joshua, the logic of your statement escapes me. Just because your offense is producing with something bad in the mix does not mean that it is good to continue with the weak elements. The Braves offense is not now producing in good form because McLouth is in the line up and because Chipper is batting 3rd; but rather IN SPITE of McLouth being in the lineup and Chipper batting 3rd. You are winning right now in spite of these two things – but you were not winning in the past -partially because of them (remeber the 9 game losing streak, even with our great Pitching); and you will not continue to win as many games in the future if these two things continue. Surely, you are not saying that it is logical to have a .179 hitter in the outfield whose upside potential is – having hit in the .250s or below in every season in his career except one, or to have a hitter in the 3rd spot in the order who has not been producing effectively now for 1 and 1/3 seasons. And I am not saying that McLouth never produces – obviously hitting .179 you sometimes produce. And I am not saying that Chipper should not be in the lineup – just not 3rd in the order.
RunHeeeeeeeeapRun
June 4th, 2010
11:20 am
Orioles fired Trembley. ho-hum.
David O'Brien
June 4th, 2010
11:23 am
cs95:that is the plan with Saito, at least for the time being. Cox said they could wait a “few days” with a pitcher, and noted that Saito would’ve needed to rest today even if he was healthy. But from what I saw after game, the way he was limping, he’s got to do some seriously quick healing to be ready to pitch in just a few days. And remember, he’s 40….
Oh, and yes, I’d imagine they’ve already discussed possibly getting Kimbrel back up, if they think that regular work in a crucial late-innings spot is something he’s ready for at this level. Resop’s June 15 deadline to be added to the 25-man roster or made available for trades is nearing, so anything’s possible with him. I know they like him in the starting role, since he’s had so much success there and they think it suits his approach and his versatile pitch repertoire better than relieving. But again, anything’s possible if Saito has to be DL’d.
RunHeeeeeeeeapRun
June 4th, 2010
11:24 am
Serious question. Since tonight is a KK start we know there will be an abundance of racist redneck posts from whoever that is that always does that. Is there nothing the ajc/DOB can do about that wipe?
David O'Brien
June 4th, 2010
11:26 am
DAP: D’oh. My bad. Didn’t think as I was typing that Moylan line. You’re absolutely correct. It’s “TNT.” I’ll fix now. Thanks.
Now that you mention think about it, “TNT” probably isn’t the best song for a relief pitcher entering a pressure situation with runners on base, you know what I mean?
Tommy T
June 4th, 2010
11:27 am
Don = Idiot
Ease in Buckhead™
June 4th, 2010
11:28 am
RHR – he’s already here…