Braves postgame comments from Wednesday night

Postgame comments following the Braves 7-3 win over the Marlins Wednesday to even the series 1-1.

Tommy Hanson on his outing:

“Today was one of those days I didn’t have my best stuff, didn’t have my best control I just tried to battle through it and keep trying to throw strikes and make pitches,” Hanson said. “I was just trying to find my release point on all my pitches, maybe trying to be a little bit too fine, trying to pick corners a little bit which I’m not that kind of pitcher. I need to go out there and be aggressive and attack those guys. Once I got into that mode, everything started to work out a little better. Really it was all about trying to find my release point on all my pitches.”

Hanson on his command:

“I knew I was spinning off a little bit and that’s why a lot of those sliders and fastballs and curveballs were out of the zone,” Hanson said. “I just tried to keep my line and do the best I can to get them in there.”

Bobby Cox on Hanson:

“Hanson started off with three walks and a hit batsman in the second,” Cox said. “I always said he’s tough and he can figure things out. A normal young kid probably would have bend and break, he just bent a little bit and didn’t break. He scuffled but he really came back and made some great pitches.”

Cox on the offense:

“We had our eye going again and drew some walks,” Cox said. “Troy Glaus got a huge hit to right field with two strikes on him. (Eric) Hinske didn’t fish for anything bad off the left hander. Chipper had a big walk. Escobar had two hits tonight which was good and lined out once last night. So maybe he will get going and be a big part of the offense. He always has been. He’s been a lifetime .300 hitter, so we expect him to hit.”

Yunel Escobar on his two-hit game:

“Today I got my luck back,” Escobar said with Gregor Blanco translating. “I’ve just got to keep playing hard and doing the little things to help the team win. I have been hitting the same since I got back, I just needed to find the holes.”

Brian McCann on Jones’ coming through with the bases loaded walk to put the Braves ahead in the seventh:

“Chipper will be fine,” McCann said. “He’s hit every year he’s played. He’s been playing a long time. We all have faith in Chipper and we want him up with the game on the line. We still feel the same way. His on-base percentage is really high, he continues to get on base. His swing will come around.”

McCann on the bunt single vs. the shift:

“If they’re going to give it to me I’m going to try to take advantage of it and try to start something, especially tonight we weren’t swinging the bats early,” McCann said. “(Robertson) was locating his pitches and I was able to put it in a good spot.”

89 comments Add your comment

Rey

May 27th, 2010
12:35 am

Rey

May 27th, 2010
12:37 am

Dear Bobby…Please drop Chipper in the batting lineup. He’s killin us.

is30303

May 27th, 2010
2:04 am

Ha ha ha were are the people who wanted to trade Tommy Hanson for a roast beef sandwich last week? mmmmm roast beef sandwich.

Roy Updike

May 27th, 2010
2:06 am

Chipper had a big walk. BIG DEAL!!! In two games, he has not hit one ball out of the infield (The #3 hitter!). Oh. I forgot tjat he hit one ball – HARD! When are him and Bobby (or is it “Booby”???) going to see the handwriting on the wall. This is about the Braves going to the playoffs, not just “Their” final season!!!

Travis

May 27th, 2010
2:54 am

Dear Rey… Please stop acting like you know anything about managing a major league baseball team.

Hey Roy, why don’t you stick it! Chipper is the man and has been for a long time! What do you know about being a major league hitter, that’s right.. NOTHING. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

I don’t care what the numbers are, Chipper is a great hitter and will come around. If the ball he had hit last night had been 12 inches to the left, he would’ve had a game winning hit. What do you say to that? Probably something stupid because you don’t know anything about baseball or anything about playing a sport that involves 162 games.

theriddler

May 27th, 2010
5:50 am

Enjoyed Chipper for many years but he’s physically shot. Cringes every time he swings and misses.

DearBobbyCox

May 27th, 2010
6:20 am

Keep Chipper in the lineup, yes, but move him down in the order a bit, wouldja?

Chief Nock A Homa

May 27th, 2010
6:36 am

Travis…

Do you really know anything about managing????

This IS a blog, right??

Let them speak their voice without blasting them, would ya??!

Chipper has been the man for a long time, BUT, he IS struggling – HE even acknowledges it to the point of saying he may retire!

Maybe dropping him in the order might spark him and it certainly would help to have someone who is hitting more consistently in a run producing spot – don’t you think?????

Get a clue before blasting people!

Chief Nock A Homa

May 27th, 2010
6:40 am

Travis,

BTW – what do we say to if Chipper had hit the ball 12 inches to the left…

I say baseball is a game of inches, and, unfortunately Chipper didn’t, so he gets an out and his batting average drops again… What do you say to that??? I mean seriously – what kind of lame argument is that???

IF he had done that – right… But he DIDN”T!

braveshoo

May 27th, 2010
7:34 am

I am more upset with Bobby’s choice to pitch Chavez for 2 innings Tuesday than I am about Chipper. That’s what lost the game. Chavez is terrible, and he has never shown he will be anything but terrible. If we pitch Moylan and O’flarrety or Venters, we win that game on Heywards 2 run single. Bobby’s explanation was that he had to give Saito the night off, and he was only going to pitch Moylan if we were ahead. I can understand not pitching Saito, but Moylan was obviously ok- he pitched 2 innings wed. My objection is that Bobby gets locked in to a pre-game strategy, and then he never varies from it. You have to adjust based on the game situation. Dont pitch Moylan if we are down 3 in the 7th, but only down 1, its anybody’s game. We should have won the last Pittsburg game and the 1st Marlins game, Then we would only be 1/2 game back.

braveshoo

May 27th, 2010
7:38 am

Every game is important. I know its a 162 game schedule, but get the division lead, and stay ahead rather than just trying to stay close.

itstime

May 27th, 2010
7:44 am

I just want to know where Hooters Girl works! LOL Any lady with good baseball knowledge is fun to talk to!

So Yunel hits a 46 hopper to short that Handley can’t get out of his glove and then one line drive and he is BACK BABY! Whatever….it’s his first RBI since APRIL 16!!! HELLO??

I am curious as to why we can’t give Blanco a shot in CF. We played every other minor leaguer last Sunday…why not try one more?

JTH

May 27th, 2010
7:51 am

First!

Good to see Tommy bounce back. The last thing we need is for him to tank. KK and Lowe are sucking the life out of the rotation.

NC Braves Fan

May 27th, 2010
8:17 am

Question for the board: If Chipper hits 6th (which I thin would be a great spot for him), who hits 2nd assuming Heyward hits 3rd? Hinske? Escobar?Prado…Leadoff?

Let’s be positive…2.5 back and Chipper, Mac, McLouth, and Escobar not hitting a lick!

braveshoo

May 27th, 2010
8:27 am

I think McLoth is gone before the end of the year, or at least by the 1st of next year. He is getting 4.5 million this year, 6.5 million next year, and 10.6 million in 2011. He’s hitting under 200. I think Jordan Schaffer is better defensively, and will hit if given a little more time to develop. If Chipper retires, his 13 million saved + savings on McLoth gives us a lot of payroll flexibility next year. I think we resign Glaus to play 3rd or 1st depending on Freeman’s development. Any thoughts?

Baba O'Riley

May 27th, 2010
8:32 am

NC Braves Fan- Positive? on this blog? some fans would say we’re 2 1/2 games out of first. The Negative Nancies would say we’re a half game out of last.

Algenis

May 27th, 2010
8:33 am

CJ hits 6th, I would put Escobar behind Heyward for sure. My ideal lineup would look like this:

Prado
Escobar
J-Hey( don’t sue me)
Glaus
B-Mac
CJ
Hinske
McClouth

Yes there’s 2 left handed hitters hitting back- to back. Who cares.

By the way, is it me or B-Mac is looking more like a hacker then a batter at the plate? Just seems like he swings at everything.

Jesse Stone

May 27th, 2010
8:33 am

I’m not sold on Jordan Schafer yet, braveshoo. He may not be any better than Blanco. A lot of people seem to have faith that he will be good, I’m just not sold on him.

meh

May 27th, 2010
8:39 am

Chipper isn’t hitting much but he does walk alot. So flip Chipper and Heyward in the line up. Most likely, Prado will get a hit and then when Chipper gets walked there will be 2 runners on base for Heyward. Thus, more RBI opportunities for Heyward.

meh

May 27th, 2010
8:39 am

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itstime

May 27th, 2010
8:42 am

Putting Escobar in the 2 hole makes me wonder if Bobby is contributing to the blog. Dude is hitting .180 right now. He needs to be as low as possible. With everybody in the organization RAVING about Chipper’s OBP, he needs to moved to 2nd with Heyward protecting him.

Jesse Stone

May 27th, 2010
8:45 am

Chipper had a funny interview yesterday on Miami radio station 790the ticket. It may be archived on their website. The host is Dan Lebatard (sp?) who sometimes fills in on ESPN’s Pardon The Interruption. They play a game with athletes that they interview called “D**che or No D**che”.

C. Tampa Ironworse

May 27th, 2010
9:30 am

I love #16…but really? Whan asked about Chipper, Mac said, “He’s hit every year he’s played”. So under that logic…he should play until he has an ENTIRE season when he doesn’t? Also, Cox says there’s not much difference between the 2nd and 3rd holes (when asked about switching JayHey and Chipper). So if there’s not a difference and it’s no big deal, BC…Why the hell don’t you do it??? Dude is seriously driving me crazy.

RED MAN

May 27th, 2010
9:37 am

If I was chipper I would go into Bobby’s office and demand he move down to batting 5th or 6th because at this point of his career his bat speed is slow and he looks like he doesn’t look healthy or confidence to hit the ball in a clutch moment…He is getting paid 13 million and he deserves the contract he has because of his career but it is time to let the better players at this point take this team where I know they can and it’s the playoffs!!!

CarrollBrave

May 27th, 2010
9:44 am

I love Chipper to death and have since 1995, but he needs to hang it up. I’m not going to berate him and say how sorry he is and all the other off the wall remarks people on these blogs make all the time. Chipper has had a great career and served the Braves organization well for a long period of time (for which, I might add, he has been very well compinsated for) both on and off the field. But he has lost it and he doesn’t need to be like all the other professional athletes and just keep hanging on and diminish the reputation as a baseball player that he worked so hard to achieve for so long. So he can’t hit anymore-big deal. The dude is 37-38. We all know back in the day he could rake with the best of them. He just needs to set his HUGE ego aside and hang it up. His day has come and gone and if he really cares about the Braves organization like he claims, then he needs to do what’s right and move on and let us start getting our next 3rd baseman ready

rekingball

May 27th, 2010
9:45 am

Is Cabrera starting to come around at the plate?

rekingball

May 27th, 2010
9:47 am

I think that Cox is going to pretty well do what Cox want to do.

eric the elder

May 27th, 2010
10:08 am

Every team in the NL East is above .500. Don’t see that very often.

Mr. Pappagiorgio

May 27th, 2010
10:09 am

Does it bother anyone else that Yunel has been on the team for 3+ years and still needs a translator?

GTSteve

May 27th, 2010
10:23 am

Mr Pappa, that bothers me about anybody that cashes a paycheck in this country

clay

May 27th, 2010
10:24 am

Great win last night we definatley needed that one for sure even if it is only may it will count in sept.

Bobby is kinda driving me crazy too with not moving heyward down to the 3 hole and chipper either second or down in the lineup. I wouldnt mind seeing chipper hitting second because he is that veteran guy who has a great eye and yes he is really not hitting but his on base% is up there. So that does mean a lot of the times you could have 2 on with prado and chipper with heyward coming up to the plate, and you dont want to walk him to load the bases because troy has finally come around and he could hit it out at anytime.

Its nice to see yunel finally have 2 hits in one game because it seems like the the 1st time since the 1st game of the season that it has happend. Lets not all jump back on the banwagon with yunel though because its only one game, but for all the true baseball fans out there hwo many times has a night like that happend for someone in a slump turn around and get a good hitting streak going or raise there average atleast 50 points.

Melky is coming around too. He is really starting to turn it on. He needs to be out there in center with mcclouth coming off the bench occasionally, but the problem is we are paying him to much money to sit on the bench.

If we can get bobby to put out this line up:Prado,Chipper,Heyward,Glaus,Hinske,McCann,Escobar(if he can keep it going if not put in infante)and melky, I think we could really give the Phills a run for there money.

FJR

May 27th, 2010
11:09 am

People speak like flipping 2-3 in the lineup will make some magical difference. It doesn’t. Sure, it would definitely be better if chipper was batting 2nd, but let’s not speak like it would transform the lineup or anything. People on this blog drastically overestimate how important lineup order is.

wawel78

May 27th, 2010
11:10 am

Where would McLouth go? no one is going to trade for him and if we release him, we’re still on the hook for his contract.

I like Chipper in the 2 hole. He still gets on base, just not many hits. Get him on base and give the big bats (it’s all relative) a chance to knock him in.

clay

May 27th, 2010
11:16 am

FJR- you say we people on here overestimate how important a lineup is. It is important, obviously you dont know baseball. If you move chipper to the 2 hole and he can draw walks like he has been doing and prado hits in front of him then you have heyward to knock them in instead of hitting into a double play. perfect example was monday night. Prado and Heyward lead off with singles and chipper hit into a double play and mccan got out so when didnt get any runs in. COME ON MAN

FJR

May 27th, 2010
11:22 am

clay, I played college baseball at a major D-1 program. I’ve been to the college world series. I’ve worked as a grad assistant for another major D-1 team. I’ve played and/or coached baseball every year of my life since I was 4 years old. What are your qualifications to tell me I “don’t know baseball.”

Ask anybody with real baseball experience and knowledge and they will tell you that even over the course of a full 162 game season flipping 2-3 MIGHT make a 10 run difference. Over a WHOLE SEASON. Now 10 runs over a whole season is important, but people here act like it’s going to amount to a half run per game difference or something crazy like that. It might contribute an extra run every 16 games, and that is in the extreme cases.

Clay

May 27th, 2010
11:24 am

Travis, son, you need to see look at Chipper’s stats since LAST July, then see if you can say he is “the man.”

FJR

May 27th, 2010
11:27 am

and clay, using your scenarios, you can say that prado leads off, chipper hits into a DP and now Heyward is batting with nobody on instead of Prado.

Yes, I realize that line of reasoning is dumb, but so is yours. Yes, lineup order is important when you’re assuming Chipper will always walk with men on in the 2 hole and that he will always hit into DPs with nobody on.

Again, I’m not saying Chipper shouldn’t be hitting 2nd. But if you think it will make a major difference, you’re delusional. 2 to 3 just isn’t a big difference runs wise. I’ve got experience, talking to other knowledgeable baseball people and statistics to back that up. You have nothing but your “this would have happened scenarios”

Clay

May 27th, 2010
11:34 am

Well, FJR, let’s just bat the pitcher at cleanup, if the lineup doesn’t matter.

I don’t have all that baseball experience like you, but it seems to me replacing a .200 hitter with no power or speed with a .280 power hitter with speed would mean more than 1 run every 16 games. But that’s just me, a little league third baseman…

Braves73

May 27th, 2010
11:34 am

FJR – Who cares about your “baseball career”…does playing a sport qualify anyone to be the “expert” on a particular sport…Uh, no. What you are basically saying is that almost every beat writer & journalist that covers a team doesn’t know sh!! because they didn’t play a sport….DUMB!

To further my point, there are several managers that never played professional or semi professional and they were qualified to be the boss. Your point holds no water.

Clay

May 27th, 2010
11:37 am

……a former little league third baseman…

McFann :Ô: :Ô:

May 27th, 2010
11:44 am

“If they’re going to give it to me I’m going to try to take advantage of it and try to start something.”

Haha! Go for it! I think he really hates that shift…I know I do.

Clay

May 27th, 2010
11:45 am

It doesn’t matter to me if Escobar can’t speak English very well. At least he’s over here legally. It bothers me he’s still under the Mendoza line, but not for long, I suspect. He batted .299 last year and was the 2nd best in the NL in batting with runners in scoring position. He’s young and will surely go on a .400 tear soon to get his stats up to his standard.

Ralph

May 27th, 2010
11:50 am

Chipper should be the No 2 pinch hitter, Prado should be on 3rd and Infante on 2nd.

A. Dylan Thomas

May 27th, 2010
11:51 am

braves73 who are these managers that haven’t played pro ball before? the only one I could find was dave trembley and he played in high school and college which isn’t pro but isn’t far off either.

FJR

May 27th, 2010
11:54 am

Clay, I didn’t say lineup doesn’t matter, the difference between 9 and 3 is quite large. The difference between 2 and 3 just isn’t though. Why don’t you try to exaggerate my claims some more, huh? If you can’t refute what I said about 2-3 (other than what it would seem like to you) then just pretend I said nothing with the lineup matters at all. Also Clay, you’re not “replacing a .200 hitter with no power or speed with a .280 power hitter with speed” as you suggested, you’re moving said .200 hitter to a spot in the lineup where he will actually get more ABs, not less. If you were taking Chipper out and putting Heyward in his place completely, it could make a relatively large difference in runs. But that isn’t what you are talking about doing. You’re talking about moving Chipper ahead of Heyward in the lineup.

Braves73, I wasn’t questioning Clay’s knowledge of the game because of lack of experience or anything, I wasn’t even questioning his lack of the knowledge of the game at all. I was responding to his saying “you (referring to me) don’t know anything about baseball.” I would never question somebody’s baseball knowledge based on what they’ve done or not done. Ask anybody who has been around the game for a long time and they will be the first to tell you that 2-3 isn’t a big difference maker. Yet I merely stated what I thought was a relatively well known fact and was told I don’t know anything about baseball, a game I’ve played out of passion and have been paid to coach at various levels for many years.

awesomeo

May 27th, 2010
11:56 am

learn to speack english esco
its been 3 +years in the majors

awesomeo

May 27th, 2010
11:56 am

if yous not can talking the language then watts the pointe

A. Dylan Thomas

May 27th, 2010
11:58 am

escobar is legal now but he didn’t come over here legally.

Roy Updike

May 27th, 2010
11:58 am

TRAVIS: Talk about “MOUTH”!!! I bet you and your Chipper Bobble Head Doll have a great life together!!! 12 inches don’t count in MLB or in horseshoes. Get off the idol worship, look at the numbers, and give some consideration to the other 24 guys who are trying to make up for their “leader”. Learn something about “managing before you discuss it!!!

Clint

May 27th, 2010
11:59 am

I’d rather have Escobar work on getting his hitting up to par than to work on learning to speak English.

Who cares what language he speaks as long as it doesn’t interfere with the game? Some of you people on here are so overtly racist, it boggles the mind.

Clay

May 27th, 2010
12:01 pm

Okay, FJR, there are two of us – myself and clay (lower case). I wasn’t advocating swapping the 2 and 3 hitters, but I get your point about that. I would be more of an advocate of Chipper batting 8th. With the walks, he would probably be on base (in scoring position if the pitcher gets the bunt down) for Prado a good bit.

JMac12203

May 27th, 2010
12:02 pm

I said it 2 years ago…CHIPPER NEEDS TO GO. He has been a good player over the years, even if he has always been overrated. Now, he is nothing more than an almost automatic out. Opposing pitchers lick their chops when they see him step up to bat. His skills were obviously diminished last year, and this season he has become a joke, and the longer Bobby leaves him in the #3 spot, the more he hurts the team. So Travis, take off the blinders and quit looking at what he did for the Braves in the past, and realize that he is handicapping the team. Bobby should have him riding the pines, but since he is a “players” manager and not a “what is best for the TEAM” manager, he will keep playing; and remember that he has already suffered what – 5 or 6 injuries so far this season. If Chipper were a TEAM player, he would voluntarily ask to sit so that some of the younger talent could gain experience, but since he has always been about himself, that will never happen.

FJR

May 27th, 2010
12:03 pm

McFann said:
Haha! Go for it! I think he really hates that shift…I know I do.

Yeah, if you don’t try to beat the shift, you’re playing right into their hand.

FJR

May 27th, 2010
12:07 pm

Capital letter Clay, no hard feelings. I thought you were different people at first, but then you responded to me as if you were the lower case clay I was responding to originally (understandable confusion on both counts obviously).

Clint

May 27th, 2010
12:07 pm

Jmac – You thought he was done two years ago? So in May of 2008 when he was hitting over .400 with power?

You, sir, are a complete idiot. Go back to the Mets blog…

FJR

May 27th, 2010
12:08 pm

JMac, chipper has his flaws, no doubt right now, but your “automatic out” comment is pretty hilarious, considering he makes a lower percentage of outs than anybody else on the team. What you’re saying is like saying Shaq is washed up because he’s too small now.

clay

May 27th, 2010
12:10 pm

FJR- To clear this up myself being clay and the other guy is a different Clay. He uses a higher case C and im the lower case. Either way though Clay has my back and understands me.

Ive played baseball myself not at the level you did but that doesnt make me any less qualified than you are. Im a true baseball fan and watch every game. Chipper is only one thing we need to change in the lineup and thats what we were talking about. We need to move him to number 2, glaus to number 4, hinske 5 at an everyday starter, Mccan down to 6, Infante in for yunel at 7, and melky in for mcclouth because he is hitting now at 8.

Your crazy for not thinking that moving chipper into the two hole is a big difference im not saying he would walk everytime but he would find a way to get on base some how like he normally does. There is a chance for him to hit into a double play but I still think I would take my chances with chipper at 2 and heyward to drive him in alot more times than chipper driving heyward in.

You have to think about this too Mr. Division I baseball player who has played in a world series. Chipper is going to get a lot more good pitches to hit in front of heyward because heyward is building his reputation already to be the RBI guy, so they wont wanna walk chipper to get to him. Instead the way it is now people wanna walk heyward and pitch to chipper because he is not doing anything right now. COME ON MAN. 1 point for me

Braves73

May 27th, 2010
12:12 pm

A. Dylan Thomas – One example of “managers that never played pro ball”…Fredi Gonzalez

JMac12203

May 27th, 2010
12:14 pm

A .220 batting average pretty much SCREAMS automatic out. And yes, I said it 2 years ago, because even though he won the batting crown (by sitting out the final few games with a hang nail whils Pujols was tearing the cover off the ball with numbness in his hands that had to be corrected with off season surgery), it was time to part with him and get alot for him while he still had value. Right now he has very little value to anyone other than Bobby.

Braves73

May 27th, 2010
12:14 pm

…another example of “managers that never played pro ball”…Jim Leyland.

Clay

May 27th, 2010
12:15 pm

Right, Clint, he had a dream season in ‘08. It started going bad about June ‘09, and hasn’t let up yet. I’m beginning to think it may not. Everybody knows, and Chipper knows he’s been terrible since last June. It just seems to me, Bobby would take the pressure off of him by moving him to 8th, and see if it’s a mental thing.

But nooooooo. Game after game, month after month, he pencils Chipper in the 3-spot aparently waiting on the breakout that never comes…

JMac12203

May 27th, 2010
12:16 pm

I also said that Chipper WAS a good player in the past, but his days are past. Even the greatest Brave of them all, Hank Aaron, was traded. Chipper should have been out of here.

Clint

May 27th, 2010
12:19 pm

JMac – If you talk to his teammates, they’d tell you the value Chipper has to the team. His skills have diminished, there’s no questioning that, but he is still an important piece of this team.

Do I think he should be batting third still? No. But to say he shouldn’t be on the team is downright wrong.

You seem like one of those “fans” who wouldn’t be happy with anything.

FJR

May 27th, 2010
12:20 pm

My point is that regardless of what .220 screams to you, he makes very few outs. Sure, you can criticize him for not driving enough runs, but “automatic out” is just plain wrong with his OBP as high as it is. OBP is essentially a measure of how rarely you make outs. Again, Chipper has a lot of flaws right now, but being an “automatic out” certainly isn’t one of them.

clay

May 27th, 2010
12:20 pm

well this is the lower case clay. just because you have been everything you say you have been doesnt make you smarter than me in baseball. Chipper is only one thing we need to change in the lineup and thats they story at hand here.

Your crazy not to think it would make a big difference. Im not saying he will walk everytime or that he will never hit into a double play but I would rather take my chances with him batting second. It would pay off more times than not over a 162 game season.

Think about this Mr. Division I baseball player who has been to a college world series, with heyward hitting after chipper, chipper is going to get a lot more pitches to hit because people would rather face chipper than heyward. You dont wanna walk chipper to get to heyward, you would be crazy to do that. Guess you didnt think about that huh?

Our line up should be:Prado,Chipper,Heyward,Glaus,Hinske,McCann,Inante(yunel is killing us right now, calm down i know he had one good night but even you know he has been killing us)and melky because he is turning it on and mcclouth is still struggling.

So what up now Mr Baseball?

Clint

May 27th, 2010
12:24 pm

Clay – I think a move to 8th would not help Chipper. If anything, it would embarrass him and cause more damage.

I think 2nd or 6th would be the best option. If you put him at 8th ALL he’s going to do is walk. He’ll never see a pitch to hit and won’t ever break out of this slump.

Chipper might really be done (it’s hard to say that…) but I think he needs a chance to work out of it. I’d love to see him just go for singles and doubles – it seems to me he’s still trying to hit the long ball, which obviously isn’t working.

Braves73

May 27th, 2010
12:29 pm

I do agree with several recent posts “about Chipper moving down in the order” in order to get him going again. The challenge is, who do you put in the 2nd spot after Heyward is dropped to 3rd? If it were up to me (and that would a scary thing) here’s my lineup:

1.) Replace Mclouth with Schafer and put him @ 1 (assuming he is healthy)
2.) Martin Prado – He can hit anywhere in the lineup but 2nd is the best fit for his abilities
3.) Jason Heyward – He can do it all, hit for power, get on base, and he can steal a base.
4.) McCann or Glaus – Depending on righty or lefty, but I would say mostly McCann
5.) Glaus
6.) Chipper –
7.) Hinske – Assuming Bobby genius leaves him in to play most of the time
8.) Escobar

I would also limit the use of Cabrera, and try to trade Mclouth when Diaz comes back…just my opinion (but you know what they say about opinions.

JMac12203

May 27th, 2010
12:30 pm

I will be happy when people take the blinders off and realize that this team needs to get younger in a hurry. There are several players that need to be gone, and Chipper is just one of them. Thay are a 3d or 4th place team and must make changes to be competitive over THE ENTIRE 162 game season. They are not a playoff caliber team, and the only way they will be there is to buy tickets and sit in the stands.
You know, Forbes Magazine called Atlanta the worst sports city not because of the Falcons or the Hawks or the Thrashers. It was because of the Braves. They underachieved during their run in the 90’s and have not had a quality team in what 4 or 5 years. The only constants are Bobby and Chipper. Both need to depart.

AJJ

May 27th, 2010
12:32 pm

DOB any insight on how this cuban Player we signed would compare to Mclouth?

eric the elder

May 27th, 2010
12:33 pm

All you multi-linguists out there – - those who speak Spanish fluently – - have a right to criticize Yunel for his English. No one else does.

bruce

May 27th, 2010
12:45 pm

Carroll Thank you for continuing to provide a separate blog of player/manager comments after the game… fabulous feature, greatly appreciated and much enjoyed. Thanks, Bruce

FJR

May 27th, 2010
12:46 pm

clay, you do realize that just saying that Chipper will get better pitches to hit doesn’t make it so? ML pitchers fear McCann, even though he has been struggling. Long term reputation matters more than short term performance as far as how pitchers pitch hitters (this is exactly why pitchers still pitch chipper like he’s a .330 hitter with 40 HR power and thus he walks so much). I guarantee you that Chipper wouldn’t get better pitches to hit hitting in front of Heyward than he would hitting in front of McCann. They will pitch him the exact same way.

Old school managers don’t think 2-3 makes a big difference, “stat zombies” don’t think it makes a big difference. Lineup analysis tools suggest it doesn’t make a big difference.

This isn’t the best one, but it’s the only free lineup analysis tool I know of: http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py

If you plug in our lineup and then flip Heyward and Chipper, it amounts to a .09 (4.75 to 4.65) runs per game difference. Which, again, isn’t inconsequential, but isn’t a gigantic difference. That means an extra run every 11 games, probably not the difference you envisioned. Finally, again, I’m not saying putting Chipper 2nd wouldn’t be better, but you’re delusional if you think it would make a major difference. It just doesn’t In fact, you’re giving Chipper an extra 10-20 ABs over the season and taking 10-20 away from Heyward by switching them. Thats a few games.

If you want to question the statistical analysis, fine, but you’re not offering anything except something that is “just obvious” to you, but which most people who’ve been around the game disagree with.

FJR

May 27th, 2010
12:49 pm

AJJ, the Cuban guy we signed is viewed as having 0 MLB chance, he’s signed because the G-Braves have lost a lot of outfielders either to injury of the big club and are short. He’s in his 30’s and has 0 power. Though he’s good defensively.

Clay

May 27th, 2010
12:53 pm

So, Clint, I would think that Chipper is already embarrassed by his lack of production while he is making about $80,000 per game. It was reported that Chipper himself asked Bobby to move him from the 3rd spot, so it seems it is just Bobby’s idea to leave him there.

FJR

May 27th, 2010
12:55 pm

http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py

Go there and plug in our lineups, switch Heyward and Chipper back and forth. It amounts to a .09 difference in runs per game. It’s not the best lineup analysis tool in the world (it doesn’t take speed and baserunning into account amongst other flaws), but its the only free one I know of.

Maybe you disagree with statistical analysis, however, it’s better than what you’re offering, which is just your experience. My experience tells me you’re wrong, as does statistical analysis, as does a HOF manager. You better bring more than “it seems to me that this would be better” to say that I know “nothing about baseball” in the face of those.

You aren’t offering any sort of proof for anything other than you just keep repeating your conclusion. We call that a circular argument. You’re right in your mind because you’re right in your mind.

Clint

May 27th, 2010
12:59 pm

Clay – do you really want Chipper batting 8th, though? That just doesn’t make any sense to me. Why do you think that would be a good idea?

eric the elder

May 27th, 2010
1:02 pm

FJR, I agree that no one can offer any proof for their opinions, mostly because such proof is impossible.

On the other hand, taking what Chipper and Heyward have done in previous games and assuming they would do the same in a different lineup is simply nonsense. That’s statistics of the worst kind. Your other arguments are better.

Carroll Rogers

May 27th, 2010
1:02 pm

Glad you like it Bruce. Keep reading it….

clay

May 27th, 2010
1:04 pm

dude did you do other plug in everything else that i said. obviously not. i said chipper is just one of the holes we need to fix. You know what, if that means we get 1 more extra run per game why not do it? there are a lot of 1 run ball games being played. Oh and if my math is correct that means an extra 162 run scored during the year now doesnt it?
With all that being said just say that im right because it gives us an extra run per game atleast. even yourself said that it doesnt take anything else into consideration. Looks like im on a roll what you got for me now?

eric the elder

May 27th, 2010
1:08 pm

Clay, you should read FJR’s post again. The increase is .09 run per game, not 1 run per game. It would take 11 games to pick up one extra run.

clay

May 27th, 2010
1:09 pm

no one is saying that “you know nothing about baseball” what im saying is just because you played at a higher level doesnt mean that you know more than me. I cant offer proof that it would work because bobby hasnt tried that yet. So therefore im not right but Im not wrong either. So who’s to say that it will not work?

clay

May 27th, 2010
1:14 pm

oh my bad FJR i misread the runs per game part. Good looking out eric. That being said though you cant base those facts because it has not been tried yet? You cant sit there and tell me that you wouldnt like to see it, and in your opinion that it would make a difference. Chipper cant bat 8th like clint said and you dont want to bat him in hinske’s spot because he is too good right now. Im telling you 2nd would make a big difference, im not sayin every game but over a months time it would and over the rest of the season I bet chippers avg would go up that everyone is wanting to see and heyward would have a lot more RBI’s and in the allstar game like everyone is wanting to see

rekingball

May 27th, 2010
1:21 pm

@12;33……..eric if I was living in a Spanish speaking country, I believe that I could learn enough of it to carry on a little bit of a conversation, at least, after being there over three years.
But, if he will try to just keep his head into every game he is playing and and stop making some of the blunders he makes every now and then, that would be good enough for me.

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eric the elder

May 27th, 2010
1:31 pm

Agree, rekingball, and so would I. However, I remember hearing that Yunel is making pretty good progress with English. I suspect that he isn’t confident enough to be interviewed, though. I would want my Spanish to be awfully good before allowing myself to be quoted in the media.

When I was a youngster, my family lived next to a Hungarian lady whose English was passable but heavily accented. When I laughed at her, my father said, “She speaks two languages and you speak one. That makes her smarter than you are.” Some lessons stick.

Clay

May 27th, 2010
1:33 pm

Because it would be the spot with the least amount of pressure, if it is a mental thing with Chipper. Why would you keep giving him opportunities to fail at the 3rd spot, when it is clear this is more than just a short-term slump? He has been batting about .200 for a long time. The end of June will be about a whole year at that level and Bobby makes no change.

I appreciate Chipper’s fine career, but Bobby is making us forget all about that by not adjusting his lineup.

rekingball

May 27th, 2010
1:37 pm

Yeah, I only speak Engish, and I don’t always speak it the correct way.
I think Escobar will start getting into a groove at the plate very soon.

eric the elder

May 27th, 2010
1:42 pm

rekingball, I think so too – - at least hope so. I really believe that Escobar is a more crucial issue than Chipper. We just can’t have 3 automatic outs at the bottom of the lineup.

Alex

May 27th, 2010
1:43 pm

1st….Rey….Chill. Chipper does what he does and he will come back just like he always does. The plate discipline you’re complaining about is the reason heyward is going to be the sick nasty OF we’ve been looking for and not just a Franceour repeat.

And whoever wanted to trade Hanson is a fool. He’s our best pitcher by a stretch, watch as he throws up 200+ip with 200+k’s by the end of the season….and then lets compare him to Lowe…which is who we should have successfully traded instead of vazquez, but thank god we got melky for him, a huge trade that turns into a sub .200 avg over the first 40+ games really helps team moral.

Robert Davis

May 27th, 2010
2:42 pm

Chipper needs to stop embarrassing hisself and turn it over to the young guys. He doesn’t even make good swings anymore. Cannot remember the last time he hit a ball hard.

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