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Churchy
May 14th, 2010
3:36 pm
I’ve always thought too much is made out of the lineup order.
one fan
May 14th, 2010
3:36 pm
Maybe ICE should show up and check the IDs of the protesters. It would be hilarious if a few dozen illegals were detained and deported from Turner Field. Of course I wouldn’t want to have to cut my own grass, so let’s not go there.
CLE
May 14th, 2010
3:38 pm
I miss Loaf and his BlackBerry. Why hasn’t he posted in a while?
Bat Masterson
May 14th, 2010
3:38 pm
scoots, thanks, very gracious. You know what they say, hey we’re still here, it’s all good.
Jonas
May 14th, 2010
3:39 pm
one fan …How an Illegal look like?
timthebrave
May 14th, 2010
3:39 pm
Terry Pendleton really did a great job in Milwaukee….he he
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
May 14th, 2010
3:39 pm
This ain’t the only blog that’s playing time-machine. Posted over on Shultz’z Hawks blog after someone mentioned Andruw. I went on and on about Andruw, then my novel was posted BEFORE the guy who originally posted bout AJ. Course that made me look like some kinda idiot, who picked a baseball player, out of the blue sky, to lavish praise upon during a BASKETBALL blog. I AM NOT AND IDIOT!
RC
May 14th, 2010
3:39 pm
I miss Loaf and his BlackBerry. Why hasn’t he posted in a while?
Doesn’t get free roaming on his plan. Can only access the network in the Atlanta area
monty
May 14th, 2010
3:39 pm
Yeh I hear Mexico’s laws are tougher than ours against illegal immigration.LOL! OK,OK I’m done!! And I feel better.
Renegator
May 14th, 2010
3:40 pm
I think you are crazy if you don’t think Chipper will be back in the 3 hole tonight. I expect Heyward to be batting 6th or 7th like he was before Chipper went down with injury.
DCBrave
May 14th, 2010
3:41 pm
Churchy…the batting order is key. If I guy thinks he can’t hit well when he’s leading off, then he won’t. Half of this game is mental, the other half is in your head.
DAP
May 14th, 2010
3:41 pm
scoots I blame DAP for all this, naturally.
muahahahahahaa!
DAP
May 14th, 2010
3:42 pm
i wouldnt want DOB’s job, but i would like chip caray’s job.
ncscoots
May 14th, 2010
3:42 pm
Imagine that, Scoots an old(are you?) radical.
Damn straight, Skippy, LOL. One of the few extant gun-totin’ liberals, who managed to be on both sides of the 60s battle lines at different times. Lew, nolie, and me, men and women like us, made it possible for these young whippersnappers to fritter away their day discussing political issues about which they most likely haven’t the faintest clue. That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it, LOL.
Chris
May 14th, 2010
3:43 pm
ASN- the bill actually explains the exact opposite. the police CANNOT ask for documentation UNLESS the individual has committed a crime, is put into custody or has made somewhat of a traffic violation. There is not much debate with the bill, especially when there are 37 OTHER STATES that have the same law already that arizona is passing. Also, if the individual can show another form of identification, the police cannot ask for documentation.
ray k.
May 14th, 2010
3:44 pm
NScoots
I currently live in Southern Cal.
You do realize that most of the menial jobs you’re talking about–the ones being snatched by the illegal aliens–are physical slave labor type jobs that pay zilch. I worked in a restaurant for a few years; the busboys and dishwashers–half of whom were likely illegal–made about half what someone would make at McDonalds flipping burgers.
Americans who are accustomed to doing something at least as prestigious as bartending or valet parking wouldn’t lower themselves to work in the strawberry fields that put the jam on our breakfast tables at a low price, or next to a dishwasher that ensures we eat with clean silver when we go out.
Very few illegals are TAKING jobs away from anyone. The problem is systemic and needs to be dealt with in a profound way, but no one (in the southwest, at least) is lining up at the unemployment office to apply for the jobs the illegals are getting their hands dirty with.
Tomas
May 14th, 2010
3:44 pm
Just read an interest article in Houston Crawfish Boxes by David Coleman, about Lance Berkman. An in the event that it happens, he says the Astros would at least have to eat 6 million of Berkmans 14.5 million contract. Then in the hypothetical case that the Astros were willing to do that he exposes a series of cases of the prospects they could get in return….The Braves was in one of the cases, and here is what he had to say:
Atlanta Braves
Why they make the deal: Because Troy Glaus can’t hit any more. Because they need protection for Jason Heyward. Because they could still make noise in their division and they wouldn’t need to give up as much as in the Teixeira deal. Of course, the Braves were so burned by that deal, I doubt GM Frank Wren would make another big trade for an older player. Still, the Braves don’t have enough of an investment in Glaus to prevent a trade like this. If they’re in it at the end of June, i could see them making a few calls.
Who’s not here: 1B Freddie Freeman, RHP Julio Teheran, RHP Arodys Vizcaino, LHP Mike Minor – The Braves are filthy in pitching prospects, including Vizcaino, who Atlanta picked up in the Javy Vazquez trade last winter. Freeman is a great prospect, but is a Top 100 guy, so he’d cost too much to be traded for just Berkman.
Jewel to the trade: RHP J.J. Hoover, RHP David Hale – I know, I just said the Astros wouldn’t pick up pitching. Still, this is the best the Braves have to offer. Both guys are Grade C prospects, but Hoover could be a fast-comer. Baseball America compares his body type with Roger Clemens since he’s got a stocky lower body. He has potential to be quite the innings-eater, but the Braves are at least talking about moving him to the bullpen. He’d be just the kind of upside arm that Heck and Co. look for. Hale is more of a projection guy, as he was mainly an outfielder at Princeton before being drafted by Atlanta. Sickels says he has a ‘first round arm’ but he fell to the third because his stuff (95 MPH fastball that goes as high as 97) doesn’t always translate to success on the mound.
Intriguing throw-ins: SS Mycal Jones, SS Brandon Hicks, 1B Riana Spanjer-Furstenberg
The Deal I Like Best: Hoover, Hale, Jones and Spanjer-Furstenberg for Berkman – This is a big trade numbers-wise, because Hoover and Hale only offer 4.2 million in value. I added both Jones and Spanjer-Furstenberg as depth picks. Jones could be a very good second base prospect, while the Astros probably saw Spanjer-Furstenberg when they scouted J.D. Martinez at Nova Southeastern University last year. The South African has good power potential and is a pretty professional hitter. He’s exactly the kind of bat the Astros need to add to possibly replace Berkman.
Chances of a deal: 150 to 1
Link: http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2010/5/13/1468858/to-trade-or-not-to-trade-lance
southern hope
May 14th, 2010
3:45 pm
anyone else nervous? We’ve won 3 in a row (in a decisive way). Everyone is looking good. We’re starting a 3-game home stand against one of the worst teams in the League. Doesn’t this feel like one of those times that we collapse?
CLE
May 14th, 2010
3:46 pm
RC: Well, that’s a damn shame!
DAP: Please take Chip Caray’s job. Please.
ncscoots
May 14th, 2010
3:46 pm
NScoots
I currently live in Southern Cal.
You do realize that most of the menial jobs you’re talking about
Huh? I think you have me confused with someone else.
Jonas
May 14th, 2010
3:47 pm
Chris ..Are you a lawyer?…What happen it those legal documentation are obtains with Illegal or fraud Documentation, like JerseyGil said about Puerto rico Birth Certificate?.
LuisG
May 14th, 2010
3:47 pm
Can somebody tell me how many of the D-Backs players/coaches/executives voted in favor of that law? I don’t think they have anything to do with that. I think protesting in any city the D-Backs play in is stup*d. Protesters should go to Arizona when their hometown team play there. Makes more sense to me (protesting in Arizona than against Arizona when the D-Backs come to town).
ray k.
May 14th, 2010
3:47 pm
Didn’t you say that illegals were stealing jobs from americans? wasn’t that you? If not, I apologize.
Tomas
May 14th, 2010
3:49 pm
Obviously David Coleman, hasn’t been watching Troy Glaus lately…….But Berkman would make sense as a left field option.
ncscoots
May 14th, 2010
3:49 pm
Not hardly, ray. Some other idiot.
Marc in FL
May 14th, 2010
3:51 pm
Mexicans aren’t stealing jobs from anyone. Employers stole the jobs. Construction used to be a decent paying job that most people could have found satisfaction in. But not now, not with the kind of pay you get.
So, true, immigrants do have the jobs no on else wants, but false, it has not always been that way.
Unknown Hinson
May 14th, 2010
3:52 pm
No lineup yet?
DAP
May 14th, 2010
3:53 pm
tomas But Berkman would make sense as a left field option.
no, i dont think he would.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
May 14th, 2010
3:53 pm
“i wouldn’t want DOB’s job, but i would like chip caray’s job.”
So Chip Caray is actually paid? I thought maybe he’d volunteered, and the Braves, in respect to his Dad, spared his feelings by allowing him to play announcer-boy.
Unknown Hinson
May 14th, 2010
3:54 pm
What happened to sports being an escape from all this political BS?
ray k.
May 14th, 2010
3:54 pm
Sorry, bro. I mismatched the name to the moronic comment. I’m too tired to scroll back.
To whomever wrote it: you’re wrong!
Jose
May 14th, 2010
3:55 pm
This happen to me a few years back…A Police officer (Rookies) was in this chack point stopping people and checking License & Proof of insurance..I’m a Hispanic American Citezen..he ask me for my Green card…I pool my Wallet i give to him My “American Express Card” that was Green by that time..he almost arrest me for that, i told him as a American that the only Documentation i have to show him.
Capt Kirk
May 14th, 2010
3:55 pm
Alien chicks are hot…I’m just saying.
dickfer
May 14th, 2010
3:56 pm
hahahhaa
Lunatic Fringe
May 14th, 2010
3:57 pm
I did not know the Braves had a Riana in the organization. You would think that if they were going to misspell his name, they would at least mess up the harder part of it.
Snotboogie
May 14th, 2010
3:57 pm
But Berkman would make sense as a left field option.
Tomas meet Arkansas Transplant.
Arkansas Transplant meet Tomas.
ncscoots
May 14th, 2010
3:58 pm
Not a prob, ray. Tough to separate the wheat from the chaff, when the blog is going all Rod-Serling-on-crack and Fox-News-on-meth.
HAVE mercy.
cricket
May 14th, 2010
3:59 pm
For any cricket fans – Australia just won one of the greatest match ever in the T20 World Cup semi final in West Indies. Just absolutely unbelievable sporting feat in team game I’ve ever seen, and this includes all team sports I follow. UNBELIEVABLE !! Indian team always itches to challenge the Australians but I have to bow to the great Australian spirit shown in this match.
John Arlott had written about it in 1948 at the end of a successful tour of England by Don Bradman’s men. “”Australianism,” wrote Arlott, “means single-minded determination to win – to win within the laws but, if necessary, to the last limit within them. It means where the ‘impossible’ is within the realm of what the human body can do, there are Australians who believe that they can do it – and who have succeeded often enough to make us wonder if anything is impossible to them. It means they have never lost a match – particularly a Test match – until the last run is scored or their last wicket down.”
Fleming
May 14th, 2010
4:01 pm
Scoots
Ray K. went into the future on this blog and knows you’re gonna say that in the future.
Bat Masterson
May 14th, 2010
4:02 pm
ray k.
May 14th, 2010
3:44 pm
I’m not going to get into this, other than to say things are not that simple. I know a lot of guys, in the construction industry, that would argue their lively hoods have been devastated by immigration, legal and illegal. There is ample empirical evidence to back them up.
RC
May 14th, 2010
4:02 pm
But Berkman would make sense as a left field option.
Call me crazy, but I’m not exactly on board to deploy a guy who had SHARK CARTILIDGE injected into his knee this spring into the OF. Doesn’t seem like a good ending for anyone.
richbrave
May 14th, 2010
4:03 pm
Tomas
DAVID HALE, J.J. HOOVER, MYCAL JONES, SKIP HICKS, RIAAN SPANJER-FURSTENBURG? Has DAVID COLEMAN looked at their numbers so far this season? I mean like, wow. So with the exception of the SOUTH AFRICAN, O.K., anytime.
RHR
May 14th, 2010
4:03 pm
Capt Kirk
May 14th, 2010
3:55 pm
Alien chicks are hot…I’m just saying.
timthebrave
May 14th, 2010
4:04 pm
I hope all the people talking about Lance Berkman realize that he is hitting .239 with 11 rbi and hinske is hitting .333 with 13 rbi’s. Do you really want to give up prospects for an aging berkman and pay even part of that salary? We already have one overpaid hitter past his prime.
Rob (from SC)
May 14th, 2010
4:04 pm
Don’t know if this was discussed but:
The Braves have promoted 19-year-old Julio Teheran from low Single-A Rome to high-A Myrtle Beach.
Teheran earned the promotion by amassing a 1.14 ERA and a 45/10 K/BB ratio in 39 1/3 innings to open the season. He’s one of the game’s best pitching prospects.
zookey
May 14th, 2010
4:04 pm
Jose
Loved the history lesson.
Did Father Kino play ss or 2nd base ???
Capt Kirk -> DCBrave
May 14th, 2010
4:05 pm
Thanks RHR. What a crazy day on the blog. Couldn’t resist with that Capt Kirk line.
Jose
May 14th, 2010
4:06 pm
I Think he play SS.
Dawg Man
May 14th, 2010
4:06 pm
Yeah, we all know the Diamondbacks had everything to do with the new laws in AZ.
Idiots.
Daslied
May 14th, 2010
4:06 pm
Call me crazy, but I’m not exactly on board to deploy a guy who had SHARK CARTILIDGE injected into his knee this spring into the OF.
Best reason to not want a player ever.
Hmmmm....
May 14th, 2010
4:06 pm
They love the law of course until one series in Arizona where Yunel, Prado, Jair and Moylan miss a game because they’re in jail for walking down an Arizona street without their papers on them.
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
May 14th, 2010
4:07 pm
DOB, everybody:
Did you all see this: http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Saltalamacchia-in-minors-to-work-on-throwing-?urn=fantasy,240938
Saltalamacchia apparently can’t throw the ball back to the pitcher, so he was sent to the minors to work on it! Bizarre.
Tomas
May 14th, 2010
4:07 pm
Why not Berkman in left field? Defensively he would at least be better than Garret Anderson who also had injury problems last year. And he is by far a better hitter than Melky an Diaz combined. And he is starting to hit. Imagine that lineup(and for clarification this is how I think Bobby would arrange that lineup):
2B Martin Prado
RF Jason Heyward
3B Chipper Jones
LF Lance Berman
C Brian McCann
1B Troy Glaus
SS Yunel Escobar.
cs95
May 14th, 2010
4:07 pm
Dave or Carroll:
has there been any word yet on whether gwinett is just another stop on schafer rehab assignment or if he’s going to play there for the foreseeable future?
shmoe
May 14th, 2010
4:08 pm
DOB
Most appreciate you greatly. Dont let a few “regenades” get you down man
RHR
May 14th, 2010
4:08 pm
I’ll maim anyone who bashes Chipper and calls for Lance Berkman in the same breath.
Just a warning.
Nacho Daddy
May 14th, 2010
4:08 pm
Don’t give up your rights so easily. What if you had to show proof of citizenship any time a cop asked you to… like as you were entering the ball park… think about how long the lines would be… and what if on this day you forgot to bring “your papers”, what a hassel. don’t give away your rights ! Live free.
Jarod Saltalamacchia
May 14th, 2010
4:08 pm
DBO, Carroll, et al.:
Did you see this? Saltalamacchia apparently can’t throw the ball back to the pitcher, so he was sent down to the minors just to work on this particular “skill.” Crazy.
http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Saltalamacchia-in-minors-to-work-on-throwing-?urn=fantasy,240938
MiaBchBravesFan
May 14th, 2010
4:08 pm
Berkman is s-l-o-w-e-r thn injured Chipper.
SoWeGa Fanatic
May 14th, 2010
4:08 pm
and politics are not allowed on this blog. Good grief, may as well let Dentz back on to join the fray.
richbrave
May 14th, 2010
4:09 pm
Jose
May 14th, 2010
3:55 pm
This happen to me a few years back…A Police officer (Rookies) was in this chack point stopping people and checking License & Proof of insurance..I’m a Hispanic American Citezen..he ask me for my Green card…I pool my Wallet i give to him My “American Express Card” that was Green by that time..he almost arrest me for that, i told him as a American that the only Documentation i have to show him.
Except in ‘ZONA. “The U-nyted States of White America” Doc – HAMBURGER HILL. Or is this law just about legal status, and not about race or ethnicity? Posters here seem a little hard put to define and deliniate the difference.
robdawg08
May 14th, 2010
4:09 pm
If you aren’t a legal U.S. citizen then you should be deported. This country needs taxes to be paid by everyone because everyone is geeting the benefits that taxes pay for like police and military protection,highway & road usage,etc.
I stand with the Arizona laws not against them. This has nothing to do with racism or being prejudiced and everything to do with enforcing the laws of the U.S. Constitution. Get legal or leave.
RC
May 14th, 2010
4:09 pm
Don’t know if this has been discussed either, but what’s the deal with Philly getting 3 extra home games this week? Apparently due to the G20 conference in Toronto, their scheduled interleague series with the Phillies is being played in Philadelphia. Can’t Bud do what he did with Houston a few years ago and play the game in a “neutral” park….like say Citi Field
(or Turner Field for that matter).
Soph
May 14th, 2010
4:09 pm
Good night, do y’all ever give up? Let. It. Go.
Hillbilly
May 14th, 2010
4:10 pm
Rob (from SC),
I mentioned it (Teheran) earlier, but it got buried in the time lapse and the political $### storm.
Man he owned single A-ball, didn’t he?
Rob (from SC)
May 14th, 2010
4:11 pm
RHR
Before you start in on me, I don’t want Berkman or Oswalt
Shaun
May 14th, 2010
4:11 pm
Braves fans should stage a protest against the protesters.
Whether you’re for or against the law, how can one not think it’s completely ridiculous to protest an Arizona law in Georgia…at a sporting event, no less?
Chris
May 14th, 2010
4:12 pm
i live in california as well. and unfortunately, i do see alot of illegal immigrants taking away jobs, mostly from african americans. atleast in the los angeles area.
Thrillhouse44
May 14th, 2010
4:13 pm
RC, it made Frenchy mad too. At least you offered an alternative.
Capt Obvious
May 14th, 2010
4:13 pm
>>>hahaha
hey, what’s a dickfer anyway?
rammerjammer
May 14th, 2010
4:13 pm
Jimmy, your 3:25 is the best summation I’ve read anywhere. Thank you.
Tomas
May 14th, 2010
4:14 pm
richbrave, and he is a Houston writer who claims to know exactly what the Astros are looking for. Very cheap, by what I think they should ask for Berkman, but totally doable. And according to him it can either be Mycal Jones, or Brandon Hicks instead of the South African kid.
Kentavo
May 14th, 2010
4:14 pm
Dang Carol, you gotta be real Who fan to know “Zoot Suit”’ but technically it was recorded when the band was briefly known as The High Numbers.
David..(Athens, AL)
May 14th, 2010
4:14 pm
PER ajcbraves: Lineup for Today
Braves: 1. Prado 2B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. Jones 3B, 4. McCann C, 5. Glaus 1B, 6. Hinske LF, 7. Infante SS, 8. McLouth CF, 9. Kawakami P
Kentavo
May 14th, 2010
4:14 pm
I meant Carroll, my bad…
Lew
May 14th, 2010
4:15 pm
raleighbravesfan-Yeah, I loves me some Land of The Free and The Home of the Quarter Pounder with Cheese, for sure. I love the fact that we have the right to be cranky and to bitch about it when and where we want. I particularly like doing this in Vermont, where I have a beautiful back yard. What a country.
RC
May 14th, 2010
4:15 pm
Thrillhouse44,
Yeah, but I think Frenchy’s non-blog appropriate response was…well, appropriate.
Hillbilly
May 14th, 2010
4:15 pm
Whether you’re for or against the law, how can one not think it’s completely ridiculous to protest an Arizona law in Georgia…at a sporting event, no less?
Agreed, Shaun. And furthermore:
If people protest at a Braves-Diamonback game at Turner Field… = If a tree falls in the forest…
Unknown Hinson
May 14th, 2010
4:15 pm
I got an idea, let’s take every human on here that feels compelled to discuss politics and inject them into the oil spill leak to clog it up. Just like they were going to do with trash.
robdawg08
May 14th, 2010
4:15 pm
If the illegals paid their share of taxes then we legal Americans might be paying less in taxes. How any American could be AGAINST that is unfathomable. Do you realize that Americans pay about 30% of every dollar earned in taxes ?
Lew
May 14th, 2010
4:16 pm
But white BBQ sauce? That’s unconstitutional.
robdawg08
May 14th, 2010
4:17 pm
No, they need to round up all the illegals and use THEM to plug the oil leak. Americans paying taxes earn the right to live here.
the real Andy
May 14th, 2010
4:17 pm
RC,
i’ve been perturbed about the Phils extra home games too. like they needed an extra advantage.
i think they should be forced to play at a neutral site. buffalo or something. i’m sure it doesn’t make logistic sense, but a team having 84 home games doesn’t make competitive sense, especially with a team so tailored to its bandbox of a stadium.
Chris
May 14th, 2010
4:18 pm
I wouldnt mind acquiring berkman. a good possibility next year, imagaine this lineup in 2011
1. Schafer CF
2. Prado 2B
3. Jones 3B
4. Heyward RF
5. McCann C
6. Berkman LF
7. Freeman 1B
8. Escobar SS
9. Hanson P
Kentavo
May 14th, 2010
4:18 pm
Let’s get Oswalt while we’re at it…give ‘em Kawakami to provide salary room, and he can be pals with Kaz Matsui, and…
Oh, who am I kidding, we don’t have the $ for Berkman….
Lew
May 14th, 2010
4:18 pm
Hinson-Why go to all that trouble? Just set them up on the shoreline as if they were a Brown Pelican.
richbrave
May 14th, 2010
4:18 pm
Wir mussen lhre Papiere zugelassen zu werden, ja.
Thrillhouse44
May 14th, 2010
4:18 pm
RC, good point.
I’m sure this has been done already, and will fall on deaf (so so def) ears, but:
We talk baseball, other sports, music, movies, BBQ and whatever (except politics or religion)
robdawg08
May 14th, 2010
4:19 pm
Politics are off topic for me now after I’ve had my saty. Let’s talk Braves !
Lew
May 14th, 2010
4:20 pm
Hey-We paid enough in taxes last year alone to pay for the poverty level income of three families. Does that give me the right to tell you all to STFU?
robdawg08
May 14th, 2010
4:20 pm
Call me Typo King…
ncscoots
May 14th, 2010
4:20 pm
I’ll maim anyone who bashes Chipper and calls for Lance Berkman in the same breath.
“On the next episode of Justified…”
Bat Masterson
May 14th, 2010
4:21 pm
Maybe this world is another planet’s hell.
Aldous Huxley
Substitute blog for world and planet.
Marc in FL
May 14th, 2010
4:21 pm
But in all honesty, Arizona is like North Dakota. Everyone knows it’s there, it’s good for a weekend adventure, but would anyone care if it blew up and never came back?
Fleming
May 14th, 2010
4:21 pm
robdawg08 – Politics are off topic for me now after I’ve had my saty.
Should have been off topic period.
Daslied
May 14th, 2010
4:21 pm
I’ll maim anyone who bashes Chipper and calls for Lance Berkman in the same breath.
So it’s cool in separate posts?
Or, what if it’s vague? Like “Chipper Jones can’t carry Berkman’s jockstrap, because it’s made of cactus.” Or “Chipper’s no Berkman. Everyone should just be themselves.”
Jose
May 14th, 2010
4:21 pm
robdawg08
Who said that Illegal don’t pay Taxes?? if they go to McDonald or Walmart they paid Sale taxes…if they work Illegal there employer take Taxes from paid check, if they buy a Truck they have to paid sales taxes to…they never file income taxes , but they pay.
Kentavo
May 14th, 2010
4:22 pm
Chipper
bravito199
May 14th, 2010
4:22 pm
Heyward batting second per Bowman
Lew
May 14th, 2010
4:22 pm
Yeah, is it ok if you breathe in between insults?