Postgame quotes from the clubhouse after Thursday’s loss

Washington, D.C. - It was a pretty tense post-game clubhouse tonight as you would expect. Peter Moylan was not too happy, Chipper Jones was not too happy. It’s easy to see why with the Braves fresh off a game where they broke up a no-hit bid, tied the game and then lost in the bottom of the ninth. They had some interesting things to say, though.

For the fun of it, I’ll give you a run through just about everything that was said and let you find the golden nuggets. If I know you, AJC blog readers, it won’t take long.

We lead off with the guy who broke up Scott Olsen’s no-hitter….It’s only right….

David Ross on breaking up the no-no:

“When you got a guy out there pitching as well as Tim Hudson was pitching tonight, you want to do anything you can to get on base and try to score some runs for him because he pitched his butt off,” Ross said. “It was nice to just break that thing up.”

Ross on the Moylan pitch Zimmerman hit for a double in the ninth…

“It was middle but it was down, that’s what we wanted,” Ross said. “He takes a hit off the right field wall, it’s just a good piece of hitting. He’s a good hitter. The thing we can’t do there is walk leadoff guys. When you’re talking about a game like that, you can’t give them base runners in situations where we need outs.”

Ross on contemplating the possibility of getting no-hit twice in 20 days:

“I told (third base coach Brian) Snitker that at third in the last inning,” Ross said. “You talk about not getting a hit, nothing against Olsen but you talk about not getting a hit tonight, that train ride would have been awful going to Philly. It stinks even more when you come back and you’ve got a little momentum. Twice we got the bases loaded one out, I ground into a double play then you got Omar Infante first and third with one out and hits a rocket right at shortstop. Just stuff like that is hard to swallow, those kind of losses. They’ve got a lot better team than they’ve had in the past over there, but we’ve got a really good team in here too and we’re not playing up to our capability right now.”

Chipper Jones, when asked about Olsen’s performance. Clearly something else was on his mind….like perhaps the strike zone.

“No comment,” he said. “I’ll get fined if I comment. It’s happened before and it will not happen again.”

Jones when asked about the pitches to Matt Diaz:

“The strike zone to me was fine,” Jones said. (The implication there is that home plate umpire Bill Miller’s strike zone wasn’t exactly consistent.)

Jones on how close the Braves were to getting no-hit for the second time in 20 days:

“I think if that would have happened you’d probably have to put us all on suicide watch,” Jones said.

Jones on whether the Braves offense is better than that:

“We’re trying,” Jones said. “Sometimes it just ain’t in the cards. All that being said, we had first and third with one out in the eighth, we had bases loaded with one out in the ninth and we didn’t score. Until we come through in those situations and at least get one in, we’re going to continue to consistently put losses up. They get two big double plays and you can just feel the momentum shift back in their favor. You walk the leadoff hitter in the ninth and all hell breaks loose after that.”

Tim Hudson on his outing:

“I threw the ball pretty well, gave up a couple homers, I felt like they weren’t horrible pitches they were decent pitches but they got the barrel to them and got them out of the park. I felt good enough out there, I felt I could have put up zeros the whole game, but (Adam) Dunn – he gets paid to hit home runs – made a decent pitch on him, he hit a homer. And Pudge – he’s a good veteran hitter up there – and he got me too so. You got to tip your hat to them. Tip your hat to Olsen. He had us head locked for a while. We were able to get to him, but they got it done a little better than we did late.”

Hudson on an adjustment he made after his last outing:

“Me and (pitching coach) Roger (McDowell) made a small adjustment in between my last start and I feel like it’s really going to help me out,” Hudson said. “I moved over closer to the first base side of the rubber. I felt like I had better action on some things.”

Hudson on dueling a guy who’s throwing a no-hitter:

“You understand when guys are on top of their game, you can’t give up much,” Hudson said. “So you’ve got to bear down, you’ve got to make good pitches. You got to tip your cap to the kid over there. I mean, he’s got pretty stuff, but let’s be honest here, I don’t think he’s got no-hit stuff. But he was mixing things up pretty good and had us off-balance and we couldn’t do much with him for a while.”

Peter Moylan on the pitch to Ryan Zimmerman:

“Sinker down the middle, low enough to get him to roll over usually,” Moylan said. “But not tonight.”

Bobby Cox on Olsen:

“He sunk the ball and threw a lot of strikes,” Cox said. “We had a ton of groundballs they made great plays on. Infante grounded into a double play, hit a bullet right at him. Rossy’s ball wasn’t hit as good but it was still right at him, not one way a step, where they can’t turn it. They caught everything tonight in the infield. Zimmerman put on a show.”

Cox on Hudson’s outing:

“Hudson threw great,” Cox said. “He didn’t have any pitches to speak of and he gave up two homers, two solo shots. You expect to get runs but they were hard to come by, for both teams.”

Cox on Heyward’s groin injury:

“Wish we could play him but it’s pretty obvious we can’t right now,” Cox said.

Cox on Diaz’s called third strikes:

“He got called out on some bad pitches,” Cox said.

120 comments Add your comment

N8

May 6th, 2010
11:48 pm

FIRST!!!!???

N8

May 6th, 2010
11:48 pm

Believe it or not…. that IS a first.

Nice job Carroll.

Gary O

May 6th, 2010
11:52 pm

When do we play the astro’s again? Is the orioles on our schedule?

PMC

May 6th, 2010
11:54 pm

Zimmerman put on a show? Yeah he over threw 1st and short hopped a ball to 2nd.

Chuck Tanner

May 7th, 2010
12:02 am

The Braves should hold a fire sale by June 1st. Get rid of anybody and everybody except Heyward, JJ and Hanson. No reasonable offers refused. In 3 years they could have a good, young and cheap team. I know, I know, they have absolutely nothing that any other team would want.

Seriously, how many more times will these losers be no-hit this year. The over-under is 5.

jw15

May 7th, 2010
12:03 am

Ump was pretty terrible but, Diaz should realize after striking out looking twice he’s got to be hacking at anything close. The 3rd strikeout pitch wasn’t very far out of the zone. Diaz tried to show up the ump several times including that at bat by tossing his bat, and players will never win that battle with ole blue. This offense is just SO un-threatening. I watched the Phillies-Cards earlier in the day, and the Phillies lineup just has a different swagger. It’s not about talent either, becasue who the hell would say Carlos Ruiz is more talented than Brian McCann. But his swagger at the plate sure tells me he is. These guys just look lost up there. I know they are playing hard and giving it there best, but it’s a pretty deep hole right now.

Driver 8

May 7th, 2010
12:03 am

Wow! We lost 2 of 3 to the Nats! Bring on the Phillies!!!

Reality

May 7th, 2010
12:05 am

New slogan for 2010: Braves Baseball – Unwatchable!

Frank Wren

May 7th, 2010
12:07 am

Don’t worry everyone, I’m plotting a few scenarios to right the ship. I’m planning to trade a bunch of young talent for washed-up, injury-riddled veterans! You will love the results!

What??!

May 7th, 2010
12:12 am

David Ross said, “They’ve got a lot better team than they’ve had in the past over there, but we’ve got a really good team in here too.”

Uh, no David this is not a really good team. The season may still be young but one thing we can be sure of; The Braves cannot possibly be confused with a “really good team”.

Real UT

May 7th, 2010
12:13 am

Don’t do it Frank. Cut/trade these losers and bring up the young kids. These guys sound like a bunch of losers in their post game comments. Can you imagine what Ozzie Guillen might say in a post game interview about the way these guys play? That would be funny.

kwajbraves

May 7th, 2010
12:56 am

It is the Braves fan who may need to go on suicide watch for the rest of the season. Bring on 2011 because 2010 is done.

Mitchell

May 7th, 2010
1:12 am

Zimmerman put on a show, says Bobby Cox.

He almost blew the game. But sure, why not.

Runnin

May 7th, 2010
1:48 am

The 3rd strike of Diaz’s last K was not a ball, just a good pitch he should’ve swung at. It was right in that zone he usually hammers too.

NaHe

May 7th, 2010
2:10 am

If I here the phrase “You gotta tip your cap…” one more time, I’m gonna SHOOT SOMEBODY!!!

NaHe

May 7th, 2010
2:11 am

Oops….”hear.”

drlull

May 7th, 2010
3:33 am

I have MLB Extra Innings on satellite so I get pre and post-game shows for our opponents. I got a lot of laughs last year at Ray Knight’s exasperated comments as the Nats lost over & over under Manny Acta.
Fast forward to this year, and our analysts are saying pretty much the same things: “It will change….. Bats will wake up…… Wait ’til next series…..”
It’s deja vu all over again, and it ain’t funny this time.
Ray Knight is having the last laugh.

willieg hates bill shanks

May 7th, 2010
4:42 am

this team luckily does not have to face halladay this series , but they do have to face jamie moyer, joe blanton , and sunday cole hamels , the braves will get swept be 8out come monday the record 12-19 somebody better go get jermaine and gary sheffeld and jesus because without heyard a 20 year old rookie kid in the lineup you will get swept i reaally love this now maybe somebody will fire bobby and terry cant do anything right pendleton

willieg hates bill shanks

May 7th, 2010
4:44 am

iwill make alot of money this weekend ,as the braves will get swept by ther phillies and finally put a nail in the coffin of this team called the braves start the fire sale now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kelly Leake

May 7th, 2010
5:16 am

jw15- “swagger” has nothing to do with how well the Phils hit the ball. It’s talent, pure and simple. You “opine” that even Carlos Ruiz has “swagger”, When your team is clearly the best team in the division, of course you’re going to look confident. SWAGGER is gasbag language that you would hear from someone like Joe Buck.

Gerardo

May 7th, 2010
6:01 am

I’d like to know where all you guys are when we win. Yesterday, there was maybe 8 comments tops on here after we had won. Today we lose and everyone is on here calling for management’s heads. Just like every other time we lose. Seriously guys, we’re gonna call it a lost season after each time the Braves lose?? For goodness sake, we’re only 4 games under .500 and we barely entered May. I’m pretty sure that doesn’t end your season. Let’s be a little positive, fellow Braves fans!

STRETCH

May 7th, 2010
6:06 am

Folks, this season was a train wreck waiting to happen. By what they did fhis past off-season, we all saw it coming. Some of us accepted it and some of us didnt.

I swear, Atlanta has 2 of the most stubborn people in sports running the Braves/Cox and Hawks/Woodson. These guys refuse to change their approaches to games!

Been this way for years and hopefully both of them will be carpooling out of Atlanta this year. But since this is a Braves blog i will stick to them.

This team will never be better than 3rd or (the way it turning out)a last place team because of the things that didnt happen this off-season:

1. They still think they can manage without a real leadoff hitter. They offered Damon peanuts but we all know that was Wren trying to save face with fans.
2. Troy Glaus and Melky Cabrera are not getting it done.
3. Figure the odds of Kelly Johnson having what 10, 11 homers already? He has more than just about the whole team combined!
4. Chipper should just retire. I have never understood the logic behind giving a 34 yr old player more money while he is on the downside of their career??? Money that could have been used to address their lack of offense.
5. Kawakami is another bust.
6. Looking at the way these guys go up to the plate and have absolutely no clue for long stretches is definetly killing the team. They think taking pitches and hoping to get on base and hopefully the 3 run homer comes.
I know that the team is restricted to less money these days. And when you you dont have much money to spend, sometimes you have to make the wisest choice not the best choice. Wren clearly hosed this team over and he knows it. Be prepared for a LAST place finish folks!

steve whitmire

May 7th, 2010
6:33 am

GERARDO: as a life long, so far, Braves fan, I want nothing more than to be positive. But honestly with the exception of the incredible Mr. Heyward what do Braves fans have to be positive about? Our pitching is OK, but our offense is a joke. How many times this year will someone you’ve never heard of no hit this team? Chipper and McCann can’t get it done any more, Cabrera and McClouth can’t get their average up to .200, Kamakazi is awful, Lowe is shaky at best, the list goes on and on and it ain’t positive

Gooch

May 7th, 2010
6:42 am

Gerardo and other optimists, can you honestly blame at the pessimists? These guys are really bad. I don’t know what team you guys have been watching if you think they’re going to do anything in this division. We have now lost 3 of 3 series to division opponents. I guess there’s the thought that maybe we do better in this next series against a division opponent, who happens to be the best one. Be realistic here guys. Do you really think we win a series where we’re going to run Lowe, Medlen, and KK out there against the Phillies lineup? Without Heyward in the lineup I fear another sweep looms… Then we play Milwaukee, consistently one of the best home teams in baseball, in Milwaukee. BTW, the Braves are one for being the worst road team in baseball, which is not a good combination in that series if you’re a Braves fan. Then again, I pay attention to what teams outside of Atlanta look like and hold a pretty firm grasp on reality. If they win 2 more on this trip I will be shocked. Watch, now people on this blog will say I’m a fair weather fan. I don’t think I’m a fair weather fan if I have been mercilessly subjected my self to the Braves shoddy, inconsistent play over the last 4 years.

Biff Pocoroba

May 7th, 2010
7:23 am

I don’t even know where to begin anymore…

1. Why did Cox NOT PINCH-HIT for Ross in the 9th?? This man is so stubborn it defies all logic! Yes, Ross broke up the no-hitter, but why wouldn’t you let Hinske or even McCann (lefties) have a chance in that situation?? How many games has Cox lost us through the years?

2. Carroll mentioned yesterday that even with J-Hey out of the lineup things still looked good – well, what do we think now? How much worse would things be without J-Hey on the team?

3. Chipper is finished. It’s painful to watch. He just doesn’t have it. He needs to retire before he embarrasses himself more.

4. Melky needs to be shipped back to NY – it’s amazing how playing in a little-league sized park can make a player look sooo much better than he is.

5. Let’s all step back and take a real good look….without J-Hey, Hudson, Hanson, JJ (when he’s healthy), and McCann (he’ll come around) what do we really have here? Do we still think that Glaus is the answer? Or a 38-year old injury whipped shell of his former self at 3rd? Or a grossly overpaid Lowe? Or a shortstop whose too busy looking in the mirror to play ball? Or a manager who has NEVER been as great as many say he’s been? Or a hitting coach who…oh, never mind.

This team is like watching the 1985 Braves only without Dale Murphy, Skip Caray, and Pete Van Wieren to make it seem a little better.

tom varacalli

May 7th, 2010
7:29 am

if ownership and top management are content with the product they put on the field it becomes obvious they are also content to finish out of the money. approx 12 million between jones and glaus, 4 homers and less than 20 rbi’s. millions obligated to lowe and kawakami (doubt if they win 15 games between them). i don’t recall a major league team with its starters having 4 or 5 guys hitting 200 or below. (and still starting). why not bring in some of the minor league players and give them a shot? the unbending approach of cox and friends has really taken the organization backwards.

JEZ

May 7th, 2010
7:39 am

I definitely echo and agree with the things being said on here. It’s sad to say because I love the braves, but some changes have to happen!

Mark

May 7th, 2010
8:02 am

Heyward= Chipper Jones in the making. Only he is starting in his 20’s.

Playoffs!?!?

May 7th, 2010
8:07 am

Did David Ross just throw O’Flaherty under the bus? “The thing we can’t do is walk leadoff guys” At least O’Flaherty got somebody out- three of four batters. Moylan didn’t get anybody out.

Kelly Leake

May 7th, 2010
8:36 am

Biff- are you serious? why didn’t he pinch-hit for Ross? Have you seen McCann at the plate lately? Ross had al least as much of a chance as McCann to come through in that spot. If he’d pinch hit for Ross with Hinske and Hinske hits into a 6-4-3, you’d be saying,”Cox is a moron, he took the guy out of the game that busted up the no-hitter”. Stop your hindsight managing. It makes you look like Don.

tristan

May 7th, 2010
8:39 am

–Was at the game and was actually hoping the kid would throw the no-no. Would like the Braves to do horrible enough so that they would fire TP. –Reading this answer from old man Cox is just what I am sick of. Dude, quit making excuses. Really. I am sick of the excuses of hard hit balls right at defenses and balls not dropping when hit in gaps. All of the excuses don’t get you one win. A loss is a loss and all of these silly little excuses about not hitting doesn’t get a win in the books. — I am glad to see guys pointing fingers and being honest with each other. It may take a good locker room fist fight or a firing of a coach or two to get some bums to wake up. Bobby has even given up on getting thrown out of games to get the fellas to wake up. –How bad did it hurt the Braves that Heyward was too injured to take second on his hit and keep the Braves out of a DP? Why did Bobby not steal there with Conrad or play hit and run? Has he totally lost any guts he may have ever had?

Also, why give McCann off? Was Monday not enough for him? Two games in a row and the hitless wonder needs a break from playing another tiring game?

TallahasseeWrek

May 7th, 2010
8:46 am

The key pitch in the game:
Top of the ninth, Diaz walked on 5 pitches to load the bases. Given that the 5 of the previous 6 pitches had been balls, Ross should have been taking and made it 6 out of 7. Instead, Ross swings and misses at a 1-0 pitch that’s out of the strike zone. Now it’s 1-1 instead of 2-0 and the complexion of the at-bat has changed completely. Ross goes from hero to goat by not taking a pitch.

DaveinNEPA

May 7th, 2010
8:48 am

Based on what I’ve seen the last couple of seasons, I believe that this team is very poorly led/managed/coached.

This team has a very difficult time executing the fundamentals. Things that should be stressed and taught apparently don’t get stressed and taught.

As far as the hitters not getting the job done, I would like to know why players who have a resume’ as hitters when they played elsewhere, can’t hit a lick here. I would like to know why it is that guys who leave here suddenly begin to hit again. Is it because of ineffective coaching and lack of accountability from management?

I have always liked and respected Chipper Jones, BUT, he’s clearly not the player he was. He shouldn’t be hitting 3rd in this lineup anymore but our so called “great” manager is too loyal and too stubborn to move him down.

Clearly changes need to be made even if only tinkering with the batting order…..but don’t hold your breath. This manager won’t make any changes until the horse is already out of the barn.

Folks, be ready for a very long season. It’s seems that Cox has already taken his retirement. At this point he seems content to rest on his past accomplishments.

Marc Schneider

May 7th, 2010
9:09 am

How can people say the season is over after less than thirty games? Fans are just ridiculous? The Yankees struggled early last season, the Braves struggled early in many of the division title seasons. C’mon, you don’t have to be a pollyanna, but giving up after 28 games? Do you understand anything about baseball? (Oh, I forgot, it’s the AJC blog, so the answer is obvious.)

Don

May 7th, 2010
9:18 am

Braves fans should stop being critical of having won only ONE World Series in recent years.
After all, our great manager, Bobby Cox, was able to give us ONE World Series win in only FOURTEEN Post Season Opportunities.
And of course, if it were not for his great management, we would not even have the ONE – after all under his great management, the team was able to MANUFACTURE ONE WHOLE RUN in the FINAL GAME of that series.
All it required for Cox to salvage that ONE World Series out of the FOURTEEN opportunites was for Glavine to have to pitch a one hit SHUTOUT in the final game.
And of course, the way Cox manufactured the ONE RUN the Braves scored was by someone hitting a Home Run.
Sometimes we forget just how fortunate we are and lucky we are to have EVEN the ONE World Series win – how fortunate we are to have Bobby Cox with his great management to have given us the ONE World Series out of only FOURTEEN opportunities.
(Before that final game, if someone had asked you — What are our chances of winning if we score only ONE run agaist this best team in the Amaeican League?) So obviously, we are LUCKY, LUCKY, LUCKY that instead of ONE World Series it is NOT – ZERO – in FOURTEEN Post Season opportunites.
So let’s stop all of the posts being critical of the great manager – Bobby Cox – and be thankful for his great management that gave us the ONE World Series in only FOURTEEN opportunities.

Lyman

May 7th, 2010
9:29 am

I watched every inning in the 80’s and I will do the same now, but I am not going to keep
tipping my hat to every journeyman pitcher that faces the braves. by the 4th inning, you
have to know the umpire is going to call strikes, for gosh sakes swing ! It appears that no
one cares. Old proverb—The fish rots from the head down

[...] it happened (See, Jimenez, Ubaldo). That wouldn’t have been good. Indeed, after the game, Chipper Jones said “”I think if that would have happened you’d probably have to put us all on [...]

Ben

May 7th, 2010
9:41 am

Is it too late to get a refund on my MLB subscription that I paid so I could watch this team not score runs – hell – not get hits!

Lou

May 7th, 2010
9:43 am

I get a kick out of the Braves’ batters getting hosed by the umps on 3rd stike calls. During the great run Glavine and Smoltz would get strike calls on balls a foot off the plate. Watch tapes of Glavine pitching-yes he has 300 plus wins, the cheapest 300 plus wins in the history of the game. Even Chip Carey and Don Sutton were embarrassed at times on some of the pitches these gusy got called strikes. Yes they were great pitchers but come on, most umps have trouble with the strike zone. If it’s close-Swing! That’s what the 300 hitters do. Ever hear the term “to close to take.”

PMC

May 7th, 2010
9:44 am

The Braves can’t possibly tip thier cap anymore. At this point thier hats are on the floor.

Don

May 7th, 2010
9:52 am

Let’s not lose prespective. The important thing here is that the players like Bobby Cox. We can’t have him trying to improve player performance by trying to make any demands of them – teach, emphasize, demand any things relating to performance. The idea is just let them do what they want (as long as they keep their nose clean) and they will like you – and this is the priority. – One of the most extrem “Player Managers” of all time.

Don

May 7th, 2010
9:55 am

Why all the surprise – disappointment — We knew from the first that Bobby Cox was going to again be the manager this season.

Blackberry Cobbler

May 7th, 2010
9:57 am

Why did McCann not bat in the 9th instead of Ross?

Take away a 2-yr old rookie, and this team really is pathetic.

Don

May 7th, 2010
9:58 am

DaveinNEPA, all valid points -but just the tip of the iceberg.
With Cox’s obvious incompetence in so many different ways, it is absolutely amazing how so many fans think that he is a great manager or even a good manager – and how they defend him no matter what action he takes or fails to take – no matter how absurd.

tristan

May 7th, 2010
9:58 am

Lou— you should be embarrassed of not checking your spelling and use of some of your wording like “too” instead of “to” and “guys” instead of “gusy”.

jhall

May 7th, 2010
9:59 am

most of the people on this site r the worst fans ever. i get the “lets get rid of tp” argument. thats becouse he sucks!!! but things arent always good, its apart of the season. give em some time!!

Lou

May 7th, 2010
10:04 am

Tristan: Darn! I knew my ole’ english teacher from 50 years ago would rise (or is that “has arisen”?) from the grave and cum bak to haunt me!

bvillebaron

May 7th, 2010
10:04 am

I realize that this team has only played 28 games and there are only 134 more to go, but I have a suggestion for Chipper and some of the other players who commented after last night’s game. Here it is: stop making excuses for your repeated and maddening failure to collectively hit (e.g. the umpire had a lousy strike zone) and whining about the schedule (we played so many games on the road and had lousy travel arrangements) and go out and get the job done. Tom Hanks had it right: there’s no crying in baseball, unless maybe you play for the Braves.

It is simply incredible that the only runs this team gets off SCOTT OLSEN are those driven in by a 20 year old rookie who wasn’t even supposed to play last night. Time for all of you guys hitting between 50 to 100 points below your career averages to take a long look in the mirror. I also heard Wren say on XM a few weeks ago that he was not going to make a panic move and that he would wait until the quarter pole (i.e. 40 games) before considering changes, but that date is rapidly approaching guys.

P.S. Anyone want to take odds that the Braves will make Moyer, a 47 year old dinosaur who throws fastballs at batting practice speed and possesses a 5 something ERA look like the second coming of Warren Spahn tonight?

Gooch

May 7th, 2010
10:09 am

I think they’ll get to Moyer this time. This will be a good gut check game for the Braves. They need to score like 8 tonight and get momentum going. Lowe’s pitching, so it will probably happen. He’ll be 5-2 with 5.80 ERA. I really hope we get to see Freeman soon. It could be a good jolt, and I think fans would come out to watch Freeman and Heyward every night.

Jonathan

May 7th, 2010
10:19 am

Yeah, Jim Mora, I can’t believe Ross would go after O’Flaherty like that either. I honestly feel no confidence with Moylan on the mound in that situation. He gives up hits, look at his WHIP. Maybe what Ross meant to say was that you can’t give leadoff walks in situations where Bobby’s going to later bring in Moylan. Can’t argue with that. But I would have rather seen O’Flaherty given the chance to pitch to Zimmerman. And this coming from the guy who 10 minutes earlier showed one of the worst pieces of hitting I’ve all season from a guy not named Melky. Why even take such a weak, pathetic swing at a low, outside pitch? One’s better off taking the strike in that situation. It seems that every loss is more frustrating to watch than the previous loss.

Jonathan

May 7th, 2010
10:20 am

Cue “Relax, it’s just a game” douchebag.

Marc in FL

May 7th, 2010
10:24 am

Any of you guys see the Lord of the Rings trilogy? Remember Wormtongue, that evil adviser that poisons King Theodon’s mind?

Well, that’s Don’s new nickname, Wormtongue. I’ll call you Wormy for short.

Jonathan

May 7th, 2010
10:28 am

But that strike zone was bad. Diaz got hosed twice that I saw. Not that I’d expect him to produce anyway, but at least give him the opportunity to fly out.

DaveinNEPA– Northeast PA?

steve h

May 7th, 2010
10:33 am

?If I here the phrase “You gotta tip your cap…” one more time, I’m gonna SHOOT SOMEBODY!!!

You’ll stop hearing that when good hitters stop being good hitters. It’s a very valid phrase and it’s also the truth. When a pitcher puts the ball exactly where they want it and a hitter goes down and gets good barrel on it, you have to tip your cap to them, they are professional hitters and there’s nothing you can do about it as a pitcher.

sportsmandh

May 7th, 2010
10:34 am

Biff, re: ‘This team is like watching the 1985 Braves only without Dale Murphy, Skip Caray, and Pete Van Wieren to make it seem a little better’

Oh come on, this team has much better pitching than the ‘85 Braves. :)

I am worried about Moylan. He has been very shaky lately. If him and Saito are both shaky.

I still think the team has some potential. But I also think they’re probably going to dig too big a hole to climb out of like last year, even if they get hot in the second half.

And BTW, when Heyward comes back from the groin injury, he should be batting cleanup. I’ve been on that bandwagon and I’m going to stay on it. No one has convinced me he shouldn’t be. And even though he’s 20, if you think about it objectively and look at this lineup, there’s no way you can convince yourself he shouldn’t be hitting cleanup.

I think it’s gonna be ugly this weekend. We run out Lowe, KK, and Medlin against the Phil’s murderers row, and we’re still not scoring any runs going in? Their could be a funeral before it’s all over. (but you never know, that is why they play the games on the field).

Jonathan Simeone

May 7th, 2010
10:40 am

Both teams were dealing with the same strike zone. Washington did not play great defense. To the contrary, Zimmerman made a couple of errors which allowed the Braves to score in the eighth and threaten in the ninth. There are simply too many guys on this team failing to deliver.The manager is continuing to make excuses for guys that are not performing. And, given there history, why was Moylan brought in to face Zimmerman? Does Bobby even consider matchups?

Don

May 7th, 2010
10:41 am

If Bobby Cox could manage as many runs as he does excuses, we would be fine.

milesarcher33

May 7th, 2010
10:44 am

Why all the negativity? It’s really early. The Braves have great pitching and are as solid as any team with their hitting. Obviously, some of the players are still trying to work out the kinks from the winter layoff. Besides, sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other fellow. Scott Olsen pitched a great game!!! The Braves have a championship calliber team and starting tonight they are going to prove it!!! I’m still excited and optimistic!! Go Braves!!!!

McCann Fan

May 7th, 2010
10:56 am

Cox on Pearl Harbor: “Well, we fought real hard today, just didn’t get the breaks we needed. These guys are gonna do better tomorrow.” (No disrespect to anyone directly or indirectly involved in Pearl Harbor attack)

Cox on Sanity: “Well, I figure if I keep trying the same stuff over and over again, eventually it will work. I trust my instincts.”

Cox on Chipper Jones at age 55: “Chipper’s track record speaks for itself. This guy is gonna start producing real soon.”

rico43

May 7th, 2010
11:02 am

I’m hoping against home that one of the Braves’ dozen announcers will grow a set and call out the stumble-bums in uniform and out. But that paycheck and cushy lifestyle are awfully persuasive.

C’mon Smoltzie, you don’t need the money — call it like we all see it.

stew

May 7th, 2010
11:04 am

First and third one out in eighth and Bobby lets Infante bat instead of Hinske. Base loaded one out in the ninth Ross bats instead of Mac. Bobby lost this game not the players. He should have pinch hit in both innings, but he’s too worried about backup players’ egos. We need to win games without worrying about whether a pitcher is in a game long enough to win it. Manage the game not the feelings of the players being replaced. Dumb loss and it was Bobby’s fault.

McCann Fan

May 7th, 2010
11:18 am

And why, oh why, with the heart of the order coming up in the bottom of the ninth would you not put in you CLOSER???!!!

GTSteve

May 7th, 2010
11:27 am

1991 From Worst to First….2006-2010 From First to WORST

Wolf

May 7th, 2010
11:29 am

I followed the Braves when they were really bad in the 1980s, but at THAT time, you expected them to lose consistently. This year, the expectations were for a competitive team, but these guys are not only bad but also BORING. I used to travel a good distance to take my son to Braves’ games. With THIS bunch, I wouldn’t walk to our recreation area, which is less than a block away. The Braves’ management has given fans a losing, boring, and whining team.

Jack

May 7th, 2010
11:44 am

Bobby Cox has a man crush on peter moylan. good god! Is he really good enough to pitch 3,000 innings a year for us

AJJ

May 7th, 2010
11:44 am

How sad is it that this team has to have a 20 year old rookie who has to come in while he is injured to bail these guys out..

Garbonzo

May 7th, 2010
11:52 am

PLEASE, figure out how to list these comments chronologically. I really think people want to see what the latest comments are, not the first one from hours or even days ago.

As for the column, no offense but as is typical with most baseball quotes, I’m still trying to find something “interesting” that anyone said.

daBraves860

May 7th, 2010
12:30 pm

lovin the Braves hurts right now!!

Brandon

May 7th, 2010
12:38 pm

Stew, you’re comment is absolutely idiotic. Most of the comments on the blog are idiotic. I’m pissed at the Braves too, but some of the things yall are saying on here are just ridiculous. No, Bobby DID NOT lose the game for us last night. Pinch hit McCann for Ross? McCann has been strike out city the past few games. Bring in the closer in a 2-2 game with the Nationals? I agree with Bobby on this one. In that situation, it’s your set up mans job to keep you in the game. We bat and score one, then put Billy in. That’s a smart move. It’s not Bobby’s fault Eric and Peter didn’t come through. ** I have no doubt Bobby is doing the best he can do with the players he’s been given. It’s not BOBBY’S fault that the front office has given him a team full of washed up players. ** You can’t win with 3 good players in your lineup (in my opinion, Prado, McCann and Heyward are all we’ve really got. Possibly Yunel, but he’s an airhead)

Phil

May 7th, 2010
12:39 pm

Clown Countdown Clock at 144 games until Cox is outta here.

Phil

May 7th, 2010
12:44 pm

“It’s not BOBBY’S fault that the front office has given him a team full of washed up players.”

I can guarantee you that Cox was in on the decision. Wren just didn’t pass Bobby in the hall one day and say “Oh Bobby, by the way, I got Glaus and Melky for you this year, now go win the division.”.

It was a group decision, don’t let anybody kid you.

Tmac

May 7th, 2010
12:46 pm

Where is Cox’s reaction to the question about pinch hitting for Ross in the top of the 9th?

Come on DOB, you have a mouth and a brain. Use it.

They had already failed in the 8th inning to score and then in the 9th with a chance to steal a game… Bobby sits on his hands and let’s his backup catcher who is slow of foot ground into the easy double play. PUT PRESSURE ON THE TEAM THAT LOST THE NO-HITTER TO FINISH THE GAME. They (Nats) had all the presser on them in the 8th and 9th inning. By allowing Ross to hit, gave the Nats a way out, which they did and then all the momentum in the bottom of the 9th.

DOB, were you afraid to ask the question?

Phil

May 7th, 2010
12:52 pm

Tmac,
Cox is a buffoon, no doubt. But who are you going to pinch hit for Ross? McCann? He’s struggling. Ross did get a hit in the 8th so at least you had that going.

Probably should have tried the squeeze play, you could almost feel that double play coming with Ross. Squeeze play was probably the better choice.

nate

May 7th, 2010
12:55 pm

they have suck for the last six year

Tmac

May 7th, 2010
1:01 pm

Phil- i hear ya about Cox…
but anyone in that situation would have been better than Ross. He already came through in the 8th inning (i’m not knocking Ross, i’m knocking B. Cox) and based on his career numbers and experience watching him play… He wasn’t coming through again.

A squeeze play would have been much better than just allowing him to hit. Don’t you think the Nats were elated to see him bat and swing away? It gave them an opportunity (a very high percentage opportunity) to get out of the inning with one swing! That’s why the Nats were all jacked up after the double play and had all of the momentum.

When does a back up catcher ever come through more than once a game? It doesn’t happen… I contend 90% of managers in MLB don’t let Ross hit there… and most likely take the lead in that situation.

Tmac

May 7th, 2010
1:05 pm

another problem i have is with the Atlanta media and specifically with DOB in this situation.

He obviously asked questions in the locker room post game, but doesn’t ask Bobby Cox the question?
Even if he refuses to answer the question (which he is known to do) you have to ask and get his response out there. By saying nothing, BC shows he made a mistake. By not asking or posting it shows DOB made as big a mistake.

Atlanta media is as soft as feathers.

Phil

May 7th, 2010
1:07 pm

Tmac,
Thank goodness Norton is not on the roster or that’s who Cox would have pinch hit for Ross! But then again, he probably would have struck out instead of hitting in a double play.

Tmac

May 7th, 2010
1:09 pm

lol.
you’re probably right.

Natedog

May 7th, 2010
1:34 pm

Bobby has been on autopilot for years. The braves have always won in spite of, not because of him. So funny how non-Braves and casual Braves fans think he’s one of the greatest. To me anyone who says that to me, it will always tells me how little you know about baseball. Come talk to me when you have seen him manage/butcher somewhere between 2500-3000 games in there entirety. nothing more than a compiler who epically choked in the post season, a guy who would become obsessed with marginal, gutless closers and aging washed up veterans. And to top it off a bad dude too, goddamn wife beater. good riddance Bobby Cocks you can’t leave soon enough.

Kelly Leake

May 7th, 2010
1:50 pm

“When does a backup catcher come through more than once a game?. It doesn’t happen.” Have you seen the Twins play this year? All we needed was a fly ball. There was more than a reasonable chance that Ross could do that, he just didn’t deliver. A squeeze play is the wrong call in that situation. What if he misses or pops up the bunt? Swinging away WITH ROSS was the correct call in that situation. It just wasn’t executed.
Sometimes in baseball, fans are just looking for someone to blame. Did it ever occur to you that Washington was just the better team on this night?

Roy Hobbs

May 7th, 2010
1:56 pm

Chipper Jones and Tim Hudson to the Twins for Miguel Sano and Ben Revere. The Braves reload in a big way for the future, and Chipper gets a shot at one more World Series on a team that might be one bat away and an ace away.

Roy Hobbs

May 7th, 2010
1:57 pm

Kelly, while I respect your thoughts, and possibly missed another explanation, why was swinging away with Ross better than swinging away with McCann?

Biff Pocoroba

May 7th, 2010
2:12 pm

Kelly Leake – are you for real? You’re really going to bat a slow-footed Ross instead of Hinske? Or even McCann? You have to look at who’s going to get the ball in the air and keep it off the ground – HInske would have been the best choice in that situation and you know it! What’s the point of not using the best hitter we have on the bench with the game on the line?? Maybe you can be Bobby;s replacement next year.

Sportsmandh – I agree that our pitching is better than in ‘85, but what good is it if we can’t hit? And I don’t think that Kawakami and Lowe are really all that good – but Hanson, JJ, and Hudson are as good as any three in the game.

Kelly Leake

May 7th, 2010
2:20 pm

Roy- The way McCann has been flailing away at the ball lately, I like Ross in that spot.
Biff- Hindsight is 20/20. If Hinske hits into a 4-6-3, you keyboard managers would be screaming, “why’d he pinch hit for Ross? Isn’t he the one that broke up the no-hitter”?

Harley Joe

May 7th, 2010
2:21 pm

Lincecum+ Cain+Zito > our best 3

The Abs Man

May 7th, 2010
2:26 pm

Wow Tmac asks the most obvious of you DOB: Why not ASK Cox about hitting for Ross?

Kelly Leake

May 7th, 2010
2:28 pm

Biff, I just looked up GIDP stats on baseballreference.com. You might want to try it before you post again. Over 162 games David Ross averages 10 GIDP for every 418 at bats. Hinske averages 12 per 498 at bats. So Hinske does it once every 41.5 at bats and Ross does it once every 41.8 at bats. Not much of a difference.
So the first paragraph of your post is null. It looks like Harley Joe nullified your second paragraph. Why do you even bother?

Biff Pocoroba

May 7th, 2010
2:32 pm

Kelly – the bottom line is that you have to use the best pure hitter you have in that spot – and that’s Hinske. I get that Ross is your guy, and that we owed it to him to let him bat because he broke up the no-no, but we had another option – a lefty with pop – and we should have used him. If Hinske had hit into a double play, yes, I would have been upset, it would have sucked, but we would have gone down using our best option. We got Hinske for a reason – if that type of situation isn’t it, please tell me what is. And by the way, we don’t need “keyboard apologists”like yourself to stick up for Cox – he has more excuses than Chipper has oblique strains.

The Abs Man

May 7th, 2010
2:40 pm

Hope every single damn time the overused-cliche of “One of the greatest all-time managers,” it’s also pointed out Cox for the past five seasons has produced some disgraceful, phone-it-in, country-club, just got out and play teams.
No accountablity, no fundamentals, base-running for the blind. et a…
Counting this season–and although it’s only one month–this team is weakest of NL East.

tristan

May 7th, 2010
2:47 pm

Kelly, don’t sweat it. Bobby is a stats guy and he plays them all the time. You are right, Ross was the guy to go to there. Same stats as Hinske GIDP and I have provided before his stats compared to McCanns since 2009 and they are very similar. Plus you don’t want to get down to your last catcher. I also agree with others that the squeeze was the play to do there. Bobby should grow a pair.

jw15

May 7th, 2010
2:49 pm

Kelly- My point, if you read, is that the Braves are lost at the plate. My quote about “swagger” related to the fact that even our best hitter over the past three years (McCann) has no confidence at the plate. Your baseball reference stat knowledge is SO impressive.

Everyone that is calling out DOB to ASK THE QUESTION……you might want to remember that he did not cover the Nationals series. Good job though.

Tmac

May 7th, 2010
3:03 pm

Kelly- while i respect the stats you typed in regards to double plays…
The Braves had two chances to take the lead in a game they had no business winning. When you have such a limited opportunity to steal a game, you give it your best shot. PERIOD. Ross in the 9th inning was the 2nd chance and to leave him in to bat was exactly what the Nats wanted. Believe me. Now if you believe that D. Ross gave us the best chance to score in that situation… than I’m not going to try and change your mind because it you just don’t get it. Are there exceptions to a back up catcher coming through in the clutch twice in a game? i’m sure there is… but in general and specifically D. Ross coming through twice in a game… very low percentage. That’s why you take a chance with your best hitter or at the very least go lefty vs. righty to increase the odds.

jw15- sorry didn’t know DOB wasn’t covering the game. His name’s on the article and quoting players. Whoever was there should be held responsible from the AJC… how’s that?

Bottom Line: The question should have been asked and reported.

LuisG

May 7th, 2010
3:45 pm

Scott Olsen’s last two starts against the Braves:
07.05.2009 – 8 2/3, 8H, 3R, 3ER, 5BB, 5SO, W (5-3 WSH)
06.05.2010 – 7 1/3, 2H, 2R, ER, BB, 8SO, ND (3-2 WSH)

Seems to be doing pretty good against us lately.

Playoffs!?!?

May 7th, 2010
3:46 pm

tristan-you are really trippin’ if you think staying with Ross was the right move there. you go with the leftty-righty matchup there, plus the fact that McCann and Hinske are both better hitters than Ross. Hinske has been a very good pinch hitter this year.” Down to your last catcher-”-IT’S THE 9TH INNING OF A TIE GAME! Squeeze play maybe, but if it’s bunted hard enough you still might get a doubleplay with the slow-footed Ross

LuisG

May 7th, 2010
3:46 pm

It’s 05.06.2010 (yesterday), rather than 06.05.2010

Playoffs!?!?

May 7th, 2010
4:02 pm

Agree with you Tmac– that question should have been asked of Cox. The Atlanta media is soft. As far as Bobby Cox goes, he has a lot of good qualities as a manager–the players respect him and play hard for him. He never dogs them out publicly. He keeps the club on an even keel.
However, he is the WORST in-game strategist I have ever seen in my 45 years of watching baseball. Last night was another example. He is loyal-to-a -fault to his veterans. He sticks too long with underproducing players and a few others, I could go on..

mr baseball

May 7th, 2010
4:18 pm

One of the reasons I have avoided posting this year is the glaring lack of knowledge by most of the folks on here. As one of the most consistent critics of our manager the last few years, it reached the point of flogging a dead horse, so why bother any more.

Cox is still getting his share of knocks, but most of those trying to second guess him are totally clueless (as opposed to the manager’s partially clueless approach).

Lots of folks wonder why not pinch-hit McCann for Ross late in the game. Anyone notice that the Nats had their one and only lefty in the bullpen warming up, just in case Cox brought McCann in to pinch hit?

Any of you watched McCann hit against lefties lately? Even Cox (or his bench coach) had enough sense to realize that was not the spot to send him up. Maybe later after the lefty was out of the game.

As for pinch-hitting for Infante. Any of you pay any attention to how well Infante has been hitting this season? And you do know that the Washington manager could have brought his lefty in to face Hinske, not that many of you can juggle more than thought in your head at a time.

If you want to second guess the manager, please have a semblance of knowledge about baseball strategy. Unfortunately, that would eliminate the majority of those who post on here.

As the Braves continue their inevitable slide into non-contention, at least we can look forward to a 2011 season with a manager who might occasionally win a game with an astute dugout decision. Cox did fine when he had 3 Cy Young winners and enough offense to win the division every year.

Without Ted’s money and an abundance of talent, he is not a Hall of Fame manager, and as he retires, he isn’t even a better than average manager. This is a mediocre team with cheap ownership, an overmatched GM and a strategically challenged manager.

Did reality-based Braves’ fans seriously expect this group to contend. And if so, why?

Playoffs!?!?

May 7th, 2010
4:32 pm

Even if they bring in the lefty, I still like the Hinske -lefty matchup better than Ross vs. the right-hander. Hinske gets down the line pretty good for a big guy and there’s less chance for a doubleplay if he’s up. Plus Cox could have countered with Brooks Conrad if they brought it the lefty.
Mr. Baseball, you come across as very arrogant–only you know when Cox is making a stategially-challenged move. You should have continued to avoid posting. Apparently, however, you don’t avoid reading them

Tmac

May 7th, 2010
4:35 pm

mr baseball- i feel your pain.

But, are you saying you would rather have Ross vs a right hander in that situation last night? or McCann or Hinske vs a righty or a lefty? Just curious.
FYI, cause stats show:
McCann’s .200 avg, .360 OBP &
Hinske’s .333 avg. .333 OBP vs. lefty’s
beats
D. Ross’ .111 avg, .200 OBP vs righty’s.

But common sense says a struggling McCann of Hinske is a better option than Ross too.

Playoffs!?!?

May 7th, 2010
4:55 pm

Mr. Baseball disappeared.

Add your comment