Offensive futility and the Braves post-game locker room Tuesday night

The Braves went 1-for-11 with runners in scoring position on Tuesday night, which should tell you a little about how they stranded 11 runners on base in a 6-3 loss to the Nationals.

Granted four of them could have easily scored on a pair of really nice plays by Nationals outfielders to rob Troy Glaus of a bases loaded double in the first and a run-scoring double in the third.

But last weekend’s sweep of the Astros aside, it’s been pretty futile in the “key hit” department for the Braves, especially on the road where the Braves are now 3-11 overall.

The 41-pitch first inning from Livan Hernandez in which the Braves scored only one run, painted a pretty clear picture of the Braves frustrations on Tuesday night. They drew two walks in the inning and an error by Bernadina in right field but managed only a run and left the bases loaded. Melky Cabrera grounded out to end the inning on his way to an 0-for-3 night with runners in scoring position.

He left seven runners himself as the third out of the first, fifth and seventh innings.

It was Martin Prado who drew the most attention from Bobby Cox in his postgame comments, after going 0-for-5 with what Bobby called “five bullets.” One was the error by Bernadina on a rope, one was a ball to the track in center in the third inning. You get the idea.

“We hit the ball tonight as hard as we’ve hit it all season,” Cox said. “Prado, you look back over five at-bats, hit the ball hard every single time and Troy did the same thing. Nothing fell.”

As a team the Braves are hitting .267 with runners in scoring position, which is middle of the pack in the National League. But in close-and-late situations, they are hitting only .223 which is 13th in the National League.

It’s something Chipper addressed tonight in the process of answering a question I had about Kenshin Kawakami and his five-game losing streak to start the season.

“With our offense struggling the way it is to produce, it gets magnified,” Jones said of KK’s issues. “But he’s battling. He’s pitching well enough to win most of the time. But until we start getting some balls to fall in offensively, with runners on base, runners in scoring position, the pitching staff is really going to have to bear down.”

Chipper on Livan

Jones had some great quotes about Livan Hernandez, the ol’ nemesis of the Braves. I’ll include here:

“He threw 150 pitches and he didn’t even break a sweat,” Jones said. “I’ll say this about Livan. The repertoire might not blow your mind but that guy knows how to pitch. He changes speeds on every single pitch that he has, whether it’s a fastball, changeup, curveball, slider, cutter, everything. And he throws nothing over the middle of the plate. Everything is two inches off either corner. And that’s what’s made him so successful. He’s got great mechanics out there on the mound (here he laughs), he uses a minimal amount of effort, and more times than not gets the job done.”

(Hernandez actually threw 123 pitches.)

I asked him about the called strike three from Hernandez in the first inning with runners first and third for the first out.

“That ball was in,” Jones said. “I hit that ball off my left ring finger if I swung at that. I’m hitting .200; I’m not exactly sure where the strike zone is (but) I didn’t think it was a strike. I came back up here and looked at it (on the video monitor), it’s not a strike. You get a call like that, that’s how you throw 41 pitches in the first and get out of it with one run.”

Kawakami’s blister

Cox said after the game that he took Kawakami out after five innings, trailing 3-2 because he had worked a blister on the bottom of his right foot.

“He’s got a big, big blister under his foot,” Cox said. “It started hurting in the fourth inning. They did everything to get him back out there, but it was really bothering him.”

Cox didn’t think it would be a factor for his next start. For his part, Kawakami wasn’t going to blame the blister for his outing (three earned runs in five innings, two homers allowed), nor a lack of run support.

“It wasn’t comfortable,” Kawakami said of the blister. “But I got hit because of the way I pitched.”

And of the lack-of-run support: “It’s not about the run support, it’s about the way I pitched. I’m not getting into a good rhythm and that’s pathetic.”

99 comments Add your comment

is30303

May 4th, 2010
11:41 pm

Braves shall win again this season!!!!!

bruce

May 4th, 2010
11:48 pm

I admire KK’s comments.

ace

May 4th, 2010
11:48 pm

get rid of Pendleton. The media is afraid to say it, but I will. Pendleton is terrible.

Largo

May 4th, 2010
11:51 pm

The braves are probably no better than a .500 team but I watched them during the years they seldom got higher than last place. I enjoyed the games then and I still do.

DawgDad

May 4th, 2010
11:54 pm

Looking up and down the Nats lineup they’re clearly the better team. Sad but true.

wayn-o

May 4th, 2010
11:54 pm

NO clutch hitting! Who cares how hard they hit the ball, its where they hit it.

ABravesFan

May 5th, 2010
12:09 am

Road losing streak is now at 8…time again for Tommy Hanson to be the stopper. Salvage and win this series, and then take at least 2 out of 3 against the Phillies and we’ll be back to .500.

Kenshin's Interpreter

May 5th, 2010
12:11 am

A lot is made that Kenshin is 0-5 and has a career record far below .500, but he is a much better pitcher than his record indicates. How many games has he gotten to pitch with a real lead? Not just one run, but two or three or, heaven forbid, four runs. Ever? Pitching with a lead is much different than pitching from behind. And I’d say for never getting to pitch with a lead, the guy is pretty good.

gobraves

May 5th, 2010
12:11 am

if the braves were hitting the ball hard…what were the nationals doing? cox’s excuse making gets old…

The Dude

May 5th, 2010
12:13 am

Pendleton is not the problem. The awful hitters in the line-up are the problem. Other than Prado and Heyward the Braves are a bunch of has-beens and never-will-bes… It is what it is. Thank you Frank Wren. A pitcher who gives up only 3 runs should win. That’s the bottom line.

is30303

May 5th, 2010
12:20 am

a pitcher who gives up only three runs should win. thats the truth. good comment Mr. The Dude.

Real UT

May 5th, 2010
12:26 am

I like our chances to still win this series with the way Big Red and Huddy have pitched. The radio guys mentioned the fact that Jo-Jo might be a candidate for Saturday’s start. If that happens you can go ahead and count that one as a loss. I hope Medlen gets to start that one instead. Carroll mentioned KK’s 1.4 run support in another article for she wrote. You will never win with a 5 starter out there if that’s all your going to score. KK is a pretty decent number 5. 1-11 with RISP is awful. Also, how is that Heyward, a 20 year old, is constantly making adjustments and these other guys aren’t? Guys like McCann and Melky come to mind. Luckily Mac got a hit in the ninth with a guy in scoring position. Maybe that will get him going. Tough loss, still a lot of games left, though. Little early to start putting nails in the coffin I say.

Real UT

May 5th, 2010
12:33 am

Also, the article says a lot KK’s character. He’s never called out the b.s. run support he receives and always blames himself. I like people who look to see what they can do better to improve a situation rather than blaming others. He’s going out there trying to throw a shutout because he knows that’s what he has to do for a win. I think that mentality is taking a toll on his game, but still, only giving up 3 is pretty good from your 5.

is30303

May 5th, 2010
12:43 am

1.4 runs a game?? wow, i didn’t know it was that bad. sad to see so many fans down on KK despite the fact.

John Leonard

May 5th, 2010
12:46 am

Like it or not,this is a very bad Braves team,and poorly coached.

I Hate Liberty Media

May 5th, 2010
12:51 am

Can we fire the owner? If so I sure as he11 would like to fire Liberty Media.

PMC

May 5th, 2010
12:56 am

The thing with Glaus… oh he’s hitting them “at people”. Or this is the equivalent of an athlete when he’s done. Instead of losing a step balls he used to hit out of the park are now outs. He’s done as a pro player. He just doesn’t have it. He used to hit homers now he hits weak balls to the gaps.

He’s done well working the count deep at times this year and getting good pitches to hit, it’s just that he can’t do anything with those pitches… (see the Cardinals series two fastballs caught the fat part of the plate and he hit weak line outs to end the game)

I’d like to be more optimistic like I was in spring training but it’s not like there are a couple of guys we can just count on when others are slumping. They are VERY light at 4 of 8 positions McCann should be a luxury behind the plate not a necessity to provide offense.

carlchamblee

May 5th, 2010
1:21 am

Heyward gets on base all the time but cannot score unless he hits a hr because the bottom of order hits behind him. Meanwhile guys w 220 avgs and little power bat in front of him.

carlchamblee

May 5th, 2010
1:23 am

Nice defense by glaus he should be a quarterback with the pump fake to third before he throws to,first for what would have been a easy out

Braves70

May 5th, 2010
1:25 am

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Braves70

May 5th, 2010
1:30 am

Only in Frank Wren’s world:

Kenshin Kawakami – P – 0-5 – 5.47 ERA – price $7.3 million/year
Chipper Jones – 3B – .222 AVG – price $14 million/year

Washington Nats:
Livan Hernandez – P – 4-1 – 0.99 ERA price $900,000/year
Ryan Zimmerman – 3B – .345 AVG – price $6.3 million/year

Watching Frank Wren fail and make an idiot of himself: Priceless.

Jonathan Simeone

May 5th, 2010
1:39 am

Tonight’s was the first game I’ve seen in several days, and it’s amazing how little has changed. I, too, am tired of Cox’s excuses, but the truth is there were several balls hit hard tonight. Glaus even hit some of those hard-hit balls. But his inability to play first really hurt in the eighth. At best he is only capable of hitting the ball hard against pitchers with average stuff. Since his defense is terrible there’s no reason to play him. As for Cabrera–it makes no sense; he should be a better player than this. Lastly, how about some hitting and running? I know this team has very little speed but no steals from McLouth or Heyward? When you have a team that has almost no power and struggles to score runs why not try and force the issue on occasion? Let’s get some runners going and open some holes. Maybe then some of these balls will be hits.

carlchamblee

May 5th, 2010
1:55 am

The bad-luck excuse is lame and the refuge of losers. For proof, try watching an entire Braves game from the perspective of the other team. You will notice the opposition also hits hard balls for outs, have balls go foul by a foot, catch a bad call from the ump, etc. In a single game one team may have one or two more than the other but they generally even out. It’s just Braves fans never hear about the other side from Cox, Chipper etc. In the sweep by the Cards for example, the Braves received numerous “breaks” in the form of misplays by St Louis, ground rule doubles that kept Cards runners from scoring and things like that. Yet St Louis still managed to win all 3 games because, guess what, the better team usually wins

ATL Shawty

May 5th, 2010
2:35 am

LOL @ the person(s) blaming Terry P… and is it too early to move our best player, Jason Heyward up in the lineup??

ATL Shawty

May 5th, 2010
2:50 am

@ Real UT… giving up 3 runs in 5 innings is NOT good even as the 5th starter. That comes out to a 5.39 era which is not good for any starter.

Mr. Enigma

May 5th, 2010
3:01 am

PMC

You obviously did not watch the game tonight. Glaus absolutely smoked three balls tonight that were caught by three defensive gems. Nyjer Morgan nearly jumped out of his shoes to catch Glaus’ shot in the first inning. If that ball continues the jet stream over Morgan’s head, Glaus clears the bases instead of settling for a sacrifice fly. Roger Bernadina made an absolutely spectacular catch to rob Glaus’ rocket line-drive of another RBI in the third to leave Chipper stranded at 3B. He just got under a ball in the 7th but nearly put it out of the park, driving Nyjer to the track. And the double play to end the game was an absolute laser beam that somehow Ryan Zimmerman gloved.

I’ve been critical of Glaus before, but he absolutely smashed the ball four times tonight with authority and they made gems to stop them from doing damage. It was easy to feel his frustration tonight.

STRETCH

May 5th, 2010
5:55 am

Im just trying to figure out why Heyward is batting so low in the order if he’s getting all these hits?!

Bartman

May 5th, 2010
6:31 am

Troy is mashing the ball. He HAS been mashing it for a while. If he doesn’t start to find holes soon he’ll create his own. Just ask the Astros SS….he tried to put a hole through his throat. Don’t worry, he’ll soon be the guy you want up in the critical situations.
Okay, we all love B-Mac but what’s up with the pitches he’s been chasing lately??? VERY uncharateristic of him….seems strange to see him do that. The eyes are okay…right?

Mitchell

May 5th, 2010
6:37 am

I feel like one of these days KK’s going to just suddenly break out in a perfect American english speaking accent and be like “these guys just freakin’ suck… I’m tired of this s***. I’m goin’ back to Japan.”

Okay, that would be spoken with a bit of a southern twang but who’s to say that’s not “perfect American english”?

Whatever that is. I don’t know.

KK’s not the problem. Bobby Cox, TP and the freakin’ Braves pathetic excuse for an offense is the problem.

It’s not like he’s our ace. We’ve seen him perform better but he gives them a chance to win every time it would seem. The blister doesn’t help.

blazon

May 5th, 2010
6:41 am

the pitch of the night for me was in the first innings with Jason 3 and 0 and the bases loaded…he took it right down the middle…his choice or Cox’s?

Glaus was immense last night, incredibly unlucky…

Marc in FL

May 5th, 2010
6:57 am

I have to say we were on the wrong side of luck last night. Had a few balls that wouldn’t have been caught by a lot of teams other outfields. It wasn’t all bad luck though, we still need a legit LF and better situational hitting. McCann will snap out of his funk, let’s hope it’s sooner than later.

McLouth looks to be seeing the ball better, everyone is getting a little more aggressive with their play. Things are starting to happen, good things, this team is about to go on a tear.

jerry

May 5th, 2010
7:39 am

Not only are the Braves not going to win the WS, they are boring as hell to boot.

TPic

May 5th, 2010
7:53 am

“He’s no 0-5 after tonight’s loss, but he’s pitched muched better than his record shows”. That quote was from Chip Caray following another Kawakami beating. I admire the only player who never makes excuses and takes accountability for his performance. But, what should the record be for a pitcher with a 5.47 ERA? On another note, why does the press continue to squeeze idiotic comments from the Chipper Dorn? When has he ever said anything profound, or even relevant? All I read about is him crying about the umpires or not taking responsibility for his below average play. The next time he gets hurt better be from trying to kick his own ass.

McCann Fan

May 5th, 2010
8:00 am

Ugggghhhhhh………………………

Tim

May 5th, 2010
8:06 am

If Pendleton is not part of the problem, then why do guys do better when they leave Atlanta? K. Johnson, Francour, and many others. What happened to previous all stars Mclouth, Melky? Why has run futility been a problem for recent years?
Wren is also part of the problem. This guy couldn’t put together a team if he were spotted Mantle, Ruth, and Willams to begin. He would probably just trade them and his top prospects for a rental player.

richbrave

May 5th, 2010
8:08 am

“It wasn’t comfortable,” Kawakami said of the blister. “But I got hit because of the way I pitched.”

And of the lack-of-run support: “It’s not about the run support, it’s about the way I pitched. I’m not getting into a good rhythm and that’s pathetic.”

Have to agree. Most of his trouble was due to fat pitches up in the zone when he had to have a strike.

CorkyMiller

May 5th, 2010
8:13 am

Anybody happen to notice the Braves have the exact record as they did a year ago today? But besides that, I really see no reason to hit the panic button just yet. You play 162 for a reason so let it play out. I just wish I still could be on the team. C.M.

Alex Estridge

May 5th, 2010
8:17 am

Why is your leading RBI getter and best situational hitter not hitting cleanup!!? Not to mention Heyward has been doing all this damage with Melky hitting behind him!! Bat Heyward fourth and depending on the pitcher bat McCan or (I hate to say it) Glaus behind him. If not were just gonna see a lot of base on balls for our rookie phenom this year.

01HAWK

May 5th, 2010
8:18 am

KAWACRUMY …………………5.47 ERA……………..0-5
DLOWE ………………………….5.18 ERA…………….4-2………….Good runs support for him
JJURRJENS……………………..6.18 ERA…………….0-3

Jurrjens has not been right since spring training. Braves are going nowhere. We sweep a very bad Houston team and lose to a weak Washington Nationals team. All who jumped on the bandwagon when they won 3 games in a row are jumping off now.

Once, again, this is a .500 club with no upside. Wren looks crazy now for giving up Vazquez. He is having a tough time in NY because the AL is a hitters league. The Yankees I hear have him on the trade block. Can we trade KAWACRUMY and MELKY for VAZQUEZ.

Sandy

May 5th, 2010
8:18 am

Really a shame that Heyward has to be on a team with Cabera and Glaus and our center fielder, whats his name? With three team players like that beside you, your team doesnt have a chance in hell of winning. I really wish they would sign Dye and promote Schafer and Freeman. Maybe then we would have a chance to win some of these games.

01HAWK

May 5th, 2010
8:21 am

Good defensive plays are part of the game. If they do not fall, then it is not a hit. NATS played good defense, but it is still an OUT.

Donny Corleone

May 5th, 2010
8:28 am

To add insult to injury, the Braves couldn’t even get to their hotel rooms after the game. The elevator kept taking them to the cellar.

Donny Corleone

May 5th, 2010
8:32 am

Charlie

May 5th, 2010
8:33 am

The real Braves showed up again on Monday. What a joke with the bats. Chipper is a jerk. He says that the pitchers have to” bear down”, yet he came into the game 1 for his last 24, and then he strikes out in the first, with runners on. His 2 hits Monday (making him 3 for his last 28) plated nobody. He’s having his worst start in his career. His defense was also suspect as well. He has a lot of balls making the comments he does about the pitchers, when he is bringing nothing to the team. McCann looks lost at the plate, even with 2 hits (in infield job… and no RBI, although he had his chances). Melky…what a loser. How this guy is in a major league uniform is beyond comprehension. Yet Frank Wren traded for him…but then it was a Frank Wren deal (Frank being Frank), and Frank too, is often beyond comprehension. And then there is Bobby’s comments…always positive in the face of mediocrity…always spinning the truth to explain incompetence. Washington DC is a perfect place for Bobby. He was hanging out with his kind of people on the Hill yesterday. The Braves are in last place. They deserve to be there. They may well remain there. They sure as hell aren’t going to any playoff in 2010. Bobby will leave the Atlanta dugout at the end of 2010, like he did after his 1990 season, with a last place group of under achieving losers. He’ll spin the year with a smile, though, just like his loser team. They’ll smile, too, ’cause regardless of their lack of accomplishment, they’ll walk away with a ton of money. Ain’t baseball great?

Donny Corleone

May 5th, 2010
8:36 am

Bingo, Charlie.

Donny Corleone

May 5th, 2010
8:37 am

Bobby just flew in from Atlanta, and boy are his pitchers tired.

SC Smith

May 5th, 2010
8:39 am

Back off Glaus a little, he is killing the ball right now. Except for Heyward & Prado no one is hitting hit better. Outfield is killing us. Got to leave Nate in center, but it’s time for Hinske in left, lead off with Omar. It’s crazy to play Melky or Diaz ahead of Eric.

Donny Corleone

May 5th, 2010
8:40 am

The Hawks need Bobby to spin that 43 point loss last night for them.

Boston Braves

May 5th, 2010
8:45 am

Frank W- FIX IT! GET ADRIAN GONZALEZ NOW!!!!!

dpelfrey

May 5th, 2010
8:46 am

Glaus is starting to get hot. It’s a shame about last night, he should’ve had 2 doubles and 4 RBI. Other than Melky and McCann, I think guys hit the ball hard with runners in scoring position. They can’t help that it’s hit right at someone or the fielder makes a great play. To me, last night wasn’t nearly as depressing as the games during the losing streak.

Right now, with the may McCann is swinging the bat, I’d swap him and Glaus. I really think Glaus is getting ready to freakin’ rake.

Boston Braves

May 5th, 2010
8:50 am

Glaus has a bad case of the shoulda’s, coulda’s, woulda’s- music to Cox’s ears!!!

PMC

May 5th, 2010
8:57 am

Enigma, indeed I missed most of it. I was also observing the hawks futility.

Don

May 5th, 2010
9:00 am

With Kawakami 0-5 with a high ERA, how long before Bobby Cox will decide to give Medlin as shot as the 5th starter. Not saying how good he would be – just saying, you should give him a chance in order to find out.

Don

May 5th, 2010
9:02 am

It makes you wonder if JJ’s arm injury is not a lot more serious than advertised — and if he is going to return to being effective.

steve whitmire

May 5th, 2010
9:17 am

I’M a lifelong Braves fan but this is the most painfully inept team they’ve had since the Horner/Murphy era. The pitching is just OK except for the great Tommy Hanson and the offense is just offensive except for Heyward, McCann and Chipper have been mediocre at best, it has already been a long year, not looking good for the near future

Don

May 5th, 2010
9:18 am

Why do writers quote anything that Bobby Cox says?

Gordon Jones

May 5th, 2010
9:20 am

One simple move might help. Change the 3, 4, 5 and 6 slot (Chipper, McCann, Glaus and Heyward) to Heyward, Glaus, McCann and Chipper. Heyward can handle the pressure and it puts Chipper further back in the order until he gets more consistant. Glaus is coming around and it really doesn’t matter whether McCann hits 4 or 5.

01HAWK

May 5th, 2010
9:22 am

Something is wrong with JJ. Velocity is down. Time to protect your investment and do all necessary test to see what the problem is. Shut him down if you have to. Vazquez would have been good to have now. He has never had any arm problems, nor has he been on the DL.

I believe some of what is wrong with Vazquez is that he really wanted to stay in Atlanta and he stated he wanted to stay. He likes that it is closer to his home in Puerto Rico.

tennisbrave

May 5th, 2010
9:27 am

Too bad they can’t play the Astros more during the season.

McFann :Ô:

May 5th, 2010
9:29 am

Charlie and no RBI, although he had his chances

Actually, McCann did get an RBI last night.

blueridge

May 5th, 2010
9:42 am

Why not shake off the dust on the line-up?

1. Infante-ss (I really hate the McLouth/ Infante lead-off platoon-let Infante play)
2. Prado-2b
3. Heyward-RF
4. Chipper- 3b (at least your protecting JH with a switch hitter)
5. Glaus-1b
6. Mac-c (he should never hit anything other than 5/6)
7. Diaz-LF
8. McLouth-CF (Until they trade for Sizemore or bring up Schafer)

I hate that the middle of the order is all station to station, but Heyward needs to be in the 3 hole sooner than later.

Reid in EAV

May 5th, 2010
9:56 am

The pity about Cox always making those “we hit the ball hard, but right at ‘em” comments all the time, usually when it’s not even true, is that it’s less believable when it actually IS true. And aside from Melky’s lack of production (which was pathetic, particularly the called third strike with an umpire he should have known by then had a generous strike zone) it WAS true last night, particularly for Glaus and Prado. Glaus has had his troubles early but I really think he’s found some semblance of his stroke lately — but he’s gotten robbed by amazing fielding more than any single player I can think of. If those two hits fall it’s a 7-6 win. Hopefully everything evens out over 162 because we are DUE. Sheesh.

Kashi

May 5th, 2010
10:04 am

Bobby if you are reading this, please change line up. Bat Heyward behind Chipper, glaus and B-mac. Chipper will get better pitch to hit and if Heyward gets on base, Glaus will get better pitch to hit while Heyward dances around 1st base to distract pitcher to steal 2nd base. If glaus get on base then you have two runners with B-Mac to jack 3 run hommers or most likely 2 run double for Mac. Plzzzzzz try this and see what this works out.

Larry deserves another $13M

May 5th, 2010
10:11 am

Bobby’s weaving a little left hand, right hand (tragic) magic tricks: Look at my left hand, Carroll, whilst I speak of Prado’s 5 hard shots, and don’t mind my right hand, where an assortment of omens lurk (Melky’s horrid RISP performance, Heyward’s lack of protection, and lead-off anemia). How long till someone starts a “bobby cox countdown page”?

BraveFalconHawk

May 5th, 2010
10:19 am

Its time to move Heyward up in the order. With Melky behind him, teams are gonna start walking him in close games like they did last night.

sportsmandh

May 5th, 2010
10:25 am

blueridge and others,

It is so painfully obvious to everyone Heyward should be moved up. I think he should be batting 4th regardless.

ANTI-POSITIVE GUY

May 5th, 2010
10:27 am

It’s the same old story, the same old song ‘n’dance. The braves were lucky enough to be playing a worse team during the quick homestand. On the road again they continue to be terrible. All this bs about how hard Glass hit the ball means nothing. A hit is a hit while an out is still an out. debating how hard he is hitting the ball is all academic. Milky, Chipper [shoulda retired last yr.] McLout are all playing terribly. Vasquez with the Yankees has been taken out of the pitching rotation due to issues that team mgmt call “emotional and mental” issues. Wish he were still here. The braves are at best a streaky .500. TP, McDowell and the rest have to go.

Don

May 5th, 2010
11:00 am

It’s the same old story with Bobby Cox – takes him forever to make obvious changes/adjustments- only after you have lost a lot of games.

MissingRodGilbreath

May 5th, 2010
11:02 am

Could nobody see that the Astros are terrible? Glaus mashing the ball???? Warning track power. Cox is even more clueless than ever. This team is bad. And not in the good way.

DirtyDawg

May 5th, 2010
11:03 am

As frustrating as it is, and clearly we don’t ‘just’ have problems at the back-end of the rotation, we’ve got problems up and down the lineup, the fact is if you’re hitting the ball on the nose, then good things will ultimately happen. Frankly I’m surprised that Glaus is doing as well as he is – at the plate, that is – but he ain’t doin’ anything in the field or on the bases. Cabrera is hopeless and McLouth is a head case. Of course Bobby’s got to try and ‘keep ‘em up’, that’s all he’s got to work with in this, his last time around. But the fact is this team has been trying to ‘get by on the cheap’ for as many years as we’ve been out of contention for the Division Championship – and for a while before as well.

Long time Braves fan

May 5th, 2010
11:07 am

Good to see Chipper get a couple of hits, maybe he can still turn his season around. Sure hope so. Lets get some wins.

Dr Melfi

May 5th, 2010
11:26 am

McLouth is a head case? Please, do tell

Don

May 5th, 2010
11:29 am

I agree with Cox supporters relating to one thing — Braves fans should stop being critical of the Braves winning only ONE World Series in FOURTEEN Post Season opportunities.
We forget how extremely fortunate, how ABSOLUTELY LUCKY we are to have even the ONE. With Bobby Cox managing, the odds were all against our winning EVEN the ONE.
Fans FORGET that under Cox’s management, we scored only ONE RUN in the final game. And it required Glavine to pitch a one hit SHUTOUT for Cox to EVEN salvage the ONE World Series victory. And if my memory is correct, even the one run we scored required a Homerun.
So we are EXTREMELY LUCKY that Cox’s total World Series wins in FOURTEEN Post Season opportunities is not ZERO.
Yet, there are a significant number of fans who will defend him as a great manager – no matter what.

awesomeo

May 5th, 2010
11:31 am

maybe but he needs out of the 3rd hole. we dont need no singles and walks guy at 3rd spot
move him to 2nd

AdirondackDave

May 5th, 2010
12:01 pm

Hmmm.. not a word about Heyward… guess he had another off night.

reddjonn68

May 5th, 2010
12:08 pm

Once again Bobby Cox will be stubborn & not make proper changes. He still has the most productive player( leads in RBIs & HRs) on a mediocre team hitting to deep, did he actually think a veterans like Hernandez & Riggleman were gonna let J-Hey win another game for the Braves. Yet 2 of the least productive Braves have yet to get a free pass( Chipper & Glaus). Now teams are gonna take matters in their own hands, & let who’s behind him beat them. Is it just me or does Bobby always seem to take above average talent & coach it down so it never clears the HUMP !!!!

jfreak13713

May 5th, 2010
12:11 pm

I know people are hammering Wren but remember he tried to get other guys but those guys went with other teams instead … Furcal and Burnett come to mind. He did over pay for Lowe and KK but at that point we were desperate to get a couple of starters. The Melky deal is one that I never though would work and Wren made a mistake with and maybe McLouth too? Wrens biggest error is Pendelton. Even if it’s not all Pendelton’s fault Wren can’t fire all the players and he really needs to send a message and firing Pendelton would do that.

Our team is what it is and I don’t expect a major trade because that would require prospects “Freeman” A smal trade “Escobar” for some kind of leadoff hitter might come down but that is about it. Braves will hit a little better as the season goes on so I still see wild card as reasonable but no way can the Braves compete with the Phillies ..

Ralph

May 5th, 2010
12:32 pm

Braves have no chance with Bobby Cox, he is senile and has forgotten how to play the game.

Skeezix

May 5th, 2010
12:46 pm

The term ‘Braves offense’ has become an oxymoron.

ijudgenot

May 5th, 2010
12:48 pm

“The Dude

May 5th, 2010
12:13 am
Pendleton is not the problem. The awful hitters in the line-up are the problem. Other than Prado and Heyward the Braves are a bunch of has-beens and never-will-bes… It is what it is. Thank you Frank Wren. A pitcher who gives up only 3 runs should win. That’s the bottom line”

Dude, you got that right. The Braves lineup is replete with has beens and utility hitters. I do not watch the Yankees when they are on TV so I never saw Cabrera play. He must have been the 8th offensive option on a 9 man team. If he batted 1st for Yankees then he got mostly fastballs to hit because of Jeter and company behind him. If he batted 8th,the pitcher was so tired of having to deal with the good hitters before him that they probably gave him a lot of mistake pitches to hit. Now he is seeing more than just fastballs and mistakes and his mediocrisy is evident. He is an adequate fielder and hiter that a team with great hitters can aford to carry but a team such as Braves cannot carry this guy ast a starter, he should be on bench. However, hs replacement would be another utility player, Diaz. I would rather see Diaz batting 7/8th than Caberra. Their feilding and speed are about the same. McClouth is not a leadoff hitter no matter how much Cox wants him to be. He is a short guy with an upper cut swing, who can’t lay off a high fastball and tries to pull everything. A bad combination for a leadoff hitter who is suppose to be hitting line drives to all fields. When you look at how the team is going to score runs you are confused. (1) Score runs through the use of speed and playing “little ball”?, Nope, very little speed on team at all. Fastest guy is 6′4″ 245lb rookie. (2) Score runs by hitting long ball? Nope, very little power on team. Catcher who is more of a number 3 hitter is hiting cleanup and same rookie is leading team in homeruns. (3) Score runs by making pitcher work by working count and getting to teams bullpen and situational hitting? Nope, most hitters on the team are free swinggers who swing at first pitch. This is really not a good team right now. The failure to get a true leadoff hitter over the winter and the inability to recognize that the guy(McClouth) who you had envisioned for the spot was not the answer is either an indictment on Wren or Wren’s revenge on Cox for not retiring last year.

Long time Braves fan

May 5th, 2010
12:59 pm

Awesomeo, small point, but one of Chippers hits last night was a double, Still hope he can hit about .300 with slugging at .500

DawgDad

May 5th, 2010
1:09 pm

In general it’s too early to hit the panic button, but a few situations have become very clear: We have no leadoff hitter, Chipper and McCann are not producing in the middle, McLouth is a mystery, Glaus remains a question mark, and Cabrera is not the answer in left or center field (actually this fact was well established by Cabrera himself prior to the Vazquez trade). This team is going nowhere unless Chipper and McCann produce at high levels, and the signs aren’t good for Chipper in particular. If Chipper and McCann turn things around by the end of May then the team might want to consider making a trade to plug left field and the leadoff spot. If they don’t turn it around the team needs to flush the roster in a Marlins-style rebuilding movement.

Chipper has been a great player and is headed for the Hall of Fame but his lack of performance sabotaged the Braves playoff chances last season and it’s carrying forward into this year. He’s entrenched at third base (playing simply awful defense), in the middle of the lineup, and at the top of the salary list; he has to perform at an all-star level for this team to have a chance.

Realism is slowly settling in. Come June 1 the dead wood needs to be cleared out for an infusion of youth and enthusiasm. Playing through the summer with Chipper, Glaus, McLouth, and Cabrera playing like this will only delay the path to future success. The Braves have players with value that could bring in some young talent to build around, particularly in the pitching staff and the bullpen, but also players like Prado, Escobar, and McCann. Don’t keep treading the water of mediocrity year after year, build a future around Hanson and Heyward.

Mark Biles

May 5th, 2010
1:57 pm

If we don’t win 4 or 5 games on this 9-game trip, we could be so demoralized that the season could about be written off. The Braves better get in gear and prove they can at least play .500 on the road.

When is Chipper going to be removed from the crucial # 3 batting spot? Put him 6th in the order and put Heyward as the # 3 hitter!

Kentavo

May 5th, 2010
2:41 pm

Booby would never move Chippee from the 3-hole – only did it when Sheff was in his prime.

Kentavo

May 5th, 2010
2:45 pm

A better lineup/order:
1. Infante, SS
2. Prado, 2B
3. Heyward, RF
4. McCann, C
5. Hinske, 1B
6. Chip, 3b
7. Diaz, LF
8. McClouth, CF

Or (since Chip doesn’t have more power but can still run when he wants to and can get on base by taking a BB)
1. Prado
2. Chip
3. Hewyard
4. McCann
5. Hinkse/Glaus
6. Infante
7. Diaz
8. McClouth

Kentavo

May 5th, 2010
2:46 pm

Whatever, you’ve got to move Heyward up, I don’t care if he’s rookie, he’s hit the most HRs and driven in the most runs

TPic

May 5th, 2010
2:50 pm

A list of Bobby Cox’s accomplishments:

1)Record set for most ejections. (Corollary; set record for most attempted ejections which were thwarted by falling asleep prior to reaching the umpire). He almost got an additional ejection, but by the time he waddled out to the field he had forgotten why he was pissed.

2)Record set for longest set of unoriginal nicknames. (He even has a nickname for a nickname; Chipper is ‘Chip’ or ‘Kid’, though kid applies to all players.

3)Ability to deny reality at any time. “I thought he threw pretty well, other than those four home runs”. Or, “We’re playing real good baseball, though you wouldn’t know it”. This statement came in the midst of a nine-game losing streak. Or, ““I don’t see how we’re losing these games, but we are. We’re not getting any runs.” If memory serves, the rules state that to win, you must score more runs than your opponent.

4)Found a novel way to interject humor into a ballgame by wearing a catcher’s mitt in the dugout, allegedly to snare ricocheting line drives.

5)Comes to each game fully prepared to play, including cleats, cup and pants he couldn’t get into 60 pounds ago.

6)Always remembers to ask which arm the reliever warming up in the bullpen throws with prior to removing the current pitcher.

7)Can spell almost every Anglo-Saxon and some Latin players’ names on the lineup card, and he never forgets to give the card to the umpire.

8)Has the uncanny ability to call balls and strikes from arguably one of the worst angles in the ballpark.

9)Successfully lobbied against a team petition to remove player’s names from the backs of jerseys so he could know who they were.

10) Somehow (despite being one of the poorest strategists ever) has managed to not only retain his job, but sheds all accountability for the team failing to capture the three or four championships that should have been won.

Brobby Crox

May 5th, 2010
3:08 pm

We should see what we can get for Jurrjens, who will be too expensive to re-sign– maybe Adrian Gonzalez or some other big bopper. Then, move Derek Lowe to the bullpen and put Medlen and Parr in the rotation.

MTE

May 5th, 2010
3:55 pm

I am an avid Braves fan. This team is killing me because I see some potential. I will have to say though that commending KK for the way he conducts himself is the wrong aproach at this point. Good clubhouse or not. SOMEONE has to wake these men up. Call these (men) out. When you score so few runs against Livan Hernandez it’s time to say I feel like we should have had this game. TP you are living up to the worth of your initials. You are no better than toilet paper. Do you know what you do with toilet paper? Bobby thanks for some great years. If you was to get half as fired up to your teams struggles as you get on blown calls we would be on the track to recovery. Its time that some players realise they got to wake up and get over their feelings getting hurt. Take the ball tonight Tommy and mow them down.Brave you are going to have to start enduring yourselves to win the games not just hope. Go in with the mindset that you have to win every game you can.

Larvell Blanks

May 5th, 2010
4:08 pm

TPic 7:53: “Chipper Dorn” is pretty funny. I’ll have to remember that.

willieg hates bill shanks

May 5th, 2010
4:31 pm

iwill hate to see bobby go come october1 hes made me alot of money the last 4years iam making a whole lot so far this year if the braves had the yankees money they might win the ws once in a while these cheap bozos now they are not winning nothing so sad ted turner left he made me laugh poor jerry royster istill remember what turner said about him that was one of the funniest quotes of all time.

willieg hates bill shanks

May 5th, 2010
4:40 pm

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willieg hates bill shanks

May 5th, 2010
4:41 pm

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willieg hates bill shanks

May 5th, 2010
4:42 pm

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willieg hates bill shanks

May 5th, 2010
4:43 pm

bill shanks and the atlanta braves no wonder he covers them a bunch of losers on both ends of georgia

willieg hates bill shanks

May 5th, 2010
4:46 pm

TONIGHTS SCORE ANOTHER BRAVES LOSS 2-1 AND BOBBY WILL STEP DOWN AND THE TEAM WILL MOVE TO LAS VEGAS SO I ACN REALLY MAKE MONEY ON THESE LOSERS.

Greg A

May 5th, 2010
4:48 pm

1. Omar SS
2. Prado 2nd
3. JHey RF
4. Glaus 3
5. BMAC C
6. Hinske 1st
7. Nate CF
8. PUNT

willieg hates bill shanks

May 5th, 2010
4:53 pm

bobby cant manage cox and the oblique chipper jones, and the cant see brian mccann, the noplaying escobar, the cant figure out national league pitching cabrea, the spacemountain troy glaus,and the toe blistered kawakami and the isorry irobbed yr money lowe and thec rest of these losers need to quit period give back the money and work regular jobs and see how the fans feel after you play like bums., you have ut to easy.

tim scott

May 5th, 2010
6:53 pm

someone made reference to this being the worst team since horner/murphy era. Wrong you need to go further back when the starting catcher was the great Biff Pocoroba OMG what awful teams those were our closer was 150 yr old hoyt wilhelm yet there i was every night with a 9v trans radio listening to every game all summer long. and if we could get the Braves on radio or tv down here in north fl i still would me. yep this is a bad team but we have nowhere to go but up

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