12:59 pm April 30, 2010, by Carroll Rogers
April 30th, 20104:28 pm
KJ is 0-4 today damn i need a hit for the beat the streak
April 30th, 20104:29 pm
Positional scarcity maybe be a fantasy baseball concept, but positional value as it relates to $$$ is very importnat. Baseball has become a commoditized sport. A 2B that can hit and field his position well is much more valuable than an equally good hitter that can maybe play 2B and maybe play LF.
traffick in atl blows one stalled car and go ahead and double your drive time on a friday
April 30th, 20104:30 pm
Dick Doss,he doesn’t have enough character to get you a hit.
Wayne in Utah
What branch and where are you stationed?
To be honest, I can’t remember you ever posting anything that had any semblance of intelligence, so why don’t you take a hike. You contribute nothing here.
MikeinFL……you’re right, let’s baby them some more. That has worked so well the last few years. Some of you are so soft it’s sad. I’d rip them a new one and put them all on notice. It’ll never happen with this bunch though.
April 30th, 20104:32 pm
lighten up, Frances.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. History repeats itself. Blah Blah.
Last year I wish I had had a dollar for every time I heard Kelly Johnson referred to as a black hole in our lineup. We watched KJ hit in Atlanta for several years. He was like running water – hot and cold. All the time. There was never any middle ground. The only difference was that by the time he got around to the hot part of 09, he had stunk so freaking bad that no one wanted him in Atlanta, much less in the lineup.
Do any of y’all seriously believe that anything has changed? He’s in the middle of one of his hot streaks. It will, as always, be followed by a stretch of stone cold.
Kind of just like the Braves bats at the moment. Cold, stone cold, ice cold. It won’t stay that way, though, any more than Kelly Johnson will hit more than 100 points over his best ever Batting Average. Yes, he MIGHT hit a few more HR’s n Arizona. Likely Rafael Belliard would have, too.
Shut the F up
Shut the F up
Shut the F up
What the Hell do you have cyber Turrets or something???
Can someone explain how positional scarcity is a fantasy baseball concept and how it’s not useful in real baseball? If done my best to explain how it is useful. I’m not trying to be a smart A. Just would like to get an explanation of where the disagreement is.
April 30th, 20104:33 pm
Shaun, seems like the Braves (we) have position scarcity and “scare city” at 7 of the 8 positions.
April 30th, 20104:35 pm
You are dead on about KJ. My points all along have been that he put up decent numbers for a second sacker. Some on here just remember the bad 2 month stretch in 2009, and now all of a sudden he sucks.
Actually, I fully expect him to come back to earth. I also expect at the end of the season, his numbers and Prado’s numbers won’t be much different.
April 30th, 20104:36 pm
glen w – I am only advocating KJ as a 3M leftfielder or 1b. I certainly wouldn’t prefer him if I had 5M or 10M to spend.
April 30th, 20104:37 pm
I think it is a concept in real baseball when it comes to free agents. I, for one, said that position scarcity MAY be a fantasy baseball concept.
Wayne-I disagree. Prado will hit at least 20 points higher than KJ with about 15-20 more 2B. KJ will hit more HR’s primarily because of the ball park he now plays in..
Sorry Wayne, it took a while to respond.
I am in the Navy, stationed in VA right now.
April 30th, 20104:39 pm
Shaun – I don’t understand how we’re differing. I know KJ or Prado are far more valuable at 2b than LF. But in an offseason where we were only realistically considering guys like Ryan Church, Melky Cabrerra, KJ, Garett Anderson, Jermaine Dye or similar cheap cheap players, why wouldn’t you sign the one who projected the best stats, especially if he also had a hidden value in the event of 2b injury?
April 30th, 20104:40 pm
MiaBchBravesFan, your 2:33 post was one of the stupidest things I have ever read.
April 30th, 20104:41 pm
Stay positive folks…… IF…..IF …. we can win one game on this home stand it will be great !
Peter, we will win tonight.
cussing at the dude in the 89 Buick with smoke rolling out the windows booming something talking about forties and b…s going 15 miles an hour from Georgia Tech to the TED
Just flash your lights, and I’ll pull over, man.
April 30th, 20104:42 pm
Saying KJ does not hit well enough to play in LF for the Braves seems to be ignoring some fairly overwhelming facts regarding the gentleman currently playing LF in Atlanta.
That said, its very likely he would not be hitting if he was still in Atl, as he would be getting no coaching.
It’s no use, the blog dip sticks have decreed KJ as being worthless and are glad he’s gone. No amount of reason will change that. They are history revisionists at their best.
But you know what: Chipper Jones sucks! He has never been any good for us. FW sucks. He has never made a decent deal. Liberty Media sucks as a ownership group (though I profited handsomely on an option trade on them last fall!). And most of all Bobby Cox sucks. He doesn’t know shyt about managing.
How was that?
April 30th, 20104:43 pm
Trey…Houston is Hot, and we are NOT……. Actually if they played a good game for a change, that would be encouraging !
Ok all, should I start J-Hey tonight or not in my Roto league? I need RBIs. Hanson is my pitcher and I need ERA and WHIP help. Sit or Play?
Wayne….please show me the brilliant insight you have provided. I call this team like I see it, which is a gutless, heartless bunch. Keep defending them loser. You’re more pathetic than I thought.
The emotion we show here on the blog is probably laughable to the players. Lets face it, playing pro ball is a job after your the first few years. The excitement is over. The rookie spark and love of the game gets overshadowed by the drag of the road trips and constant diets and workouts to stay in shape. Ya gotta love it like The David Ecksteins of the game. What a gamer! Show some emotion guys. Cuss at an umpire, throw a bat, kick some dirt at someone….Show us you are alive! Leaning on the rail spitting sunflower seeds isn’t what the fans want to see. Get mad when you strike out. Look at Andrew in the day. That smile made me want to smack em upside the head like my thirteen year old grandson. Maybe thats why we like our rookies so much, they aren’t jaded by the grind of the game. To Chipper and Glaus it’s job with a pension to us it’s life and death.
April 30th, 20104:44 pm
Roto Rooter – if you play J-Hey who sits? Hanson, yes, always.
Roy, I definitely blame the coaching more than the players for the hitting. If players are struggling, you’d expect the hitting coach to try and figure out what is wrong. If a player is swinging at every pitch, you try to teach patience, if he takes every pitch the coach should teach aggressiveness. It does not seem that the coach teaches either.
April 30th, 20104:45 pm
Braves lineup: 1. McLouth CF, 2. Prado 2B, 3. Jones 3B, 4. McCann C, 5. Glaus 1B, 6. Heyward RF, 7. Cabrera LF, 8. Infante SS, 9. Hanson P.
NJBraves – You’re right. it is more pathetic to defend the team that you are a fan of than to call them gutless and hearltess. Your right, the latter is so much more admirable.
April 30th, 20104:46 pm
Houston is hot? I know a 3 game losing streak is ish compared to what the Braves have done, but they’re far from hot. That’s like comparing the Jonas Brothers and NSync and saying NSync is really awesome, when they really just suck a little less.
April 30th, 20104:47 pm
Glen W, well I think it’s useful beyond just the financial aspects of the game, though I think it’s very useful when it comes to that side of the game.
How good a team’s offense is clearly impacted by how much better they are than other teams at each position. An obvious statement, but essentially why position scarcity matters.
In 490 games for th3e Braves, Kelly Johnson hit .264 with an OBP of .346 and Slg% of .446
In 280 games with the Braves, Prado is hitting .312 with an OBP of .367 and a Slg% of .454.
As of last evening, Prado was fifth leading hitter in (I believe according to the Cards announcers) all of baseball.
That pretty much translates to the fact that Prado is a better 2B than Johnson (especially since KJ was an , at best, average fielder who couldn’t go to his right to save his life).
That would have left KJ to play the outfield – a position he played for a few games several years ago after coming up as a shortstop (another position he apparently couldn’t field worth a damn). I fail to see why his absence is being lamented. We already have a better player at second and a better fielder in left.
I love the comments from the blind faithful. The Braves will hit better. KJ will hit worse. Both are 100% obvious. It does not make the fact that for four years the Braves have underachieved and continue to chew up and spit out young prospects any less true.
Regression to the mean is a fact of life in baseball.
I don’t think I would trade Prado for KJ, but right about now, if we had KJ at second, and Prado at first or third, we would be a better team.
And no, I don’t think KJ would be doing as well in ATL.
More and more, I am coming to the conclusion that TP might be a big part of our problem here.
I also think that Chipper sets the tone on this team, and so far he hasn’t lead very well in the field or at the plate.
Thanks for your service young man! My first son served in the Army, and my middle son is in the AF at Ramstein in Germany. You young folks serving in the armed forces make me proud.
Peter, Houston may be hot, but I know we will win.
April 30th, 20104:48 pm
One more thing. Is it me or does it seem like PTV shows fewer shots of the “in stands talent” than TBS does? Or is this losing streak so bad I am looking for that talent?
Wayne, you’re welcome, I was considering going Army after my current enlistment. That or Coast Guard.
April 30th, 20104:49 pm
Travis, I heard Buster Olney (or one of those guys) on the radio the other day, saying: “It’s funny how when Ryan Howard strikes out with the bases loaded, there are about 2 million Philadelphians who care much more than he does.”
It wasn’t meant as a slap at Howard… just that fans are typically much more invested emotionally in the day-to-day happenings on the field than they guys making their living at it. Just the nature of the beast, I guess.
Lew…thanks again for the print…made my rabid sports fan of a wife very happy.
April 30th, 20104:50 pm
Is this the time to remember that somebody or other once said, “Momentum is tomorrow’s starting pitcher”?
Tommy Hanson on the mound for the Braves tonight, I like it.
Travis, whats sad, is I remember last year noticing they were standing up leaning on the rail, and I got excited because for years we never even got that. They have never shown emotion, back in the day even when we were winning they would be all leaning back on the bench while across the diamond someone like the marlins were excited for every moment they got to be at the ballpark. Actual quote I still remember from the Braves-Marlins playoff series a few years back ” The Marlins jump around and play with the energy and enthusiasm of a little team, meanwhile Chipper Jones and the Braves are so stoic and professional they should wear suits and ties onto the field” unfortunately the first and not the latter is what gets fans excited and wins games…as we saw in that series.
April 30th, 20104:51 pm
should be “little league team”
April 30th, 20104:52 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how lost some of you are. Do you watch the games??? Do you like what you see?? The way some of you talk, you’d think this team was 20-5. Keep holding out hope dummies…..this squad is what it is….gutless and marginally talented. Look at the Phils play ball, it’s like watching a different sport. They’re gamers, who never give up and would simply never let an 0-7 trip happen.
Rob from SC
Any news on when and where Schafer will make his 2010 debut
April 30th, 20104:53 pm
@Glen W – Jose Guillen of KC or Carlos Gonzales of Col sits. I have to choose from the 3
Wayne-And if we had Tex, we’d be even more awesome. If we had a $150 million payroll we’d be unbeatable. Whatever. We have what we have and ain’t getting anything different for – at the very least- a while. All I remember is people bitching, moaning, groaning, pissing and complaining that KJ was a Brave all last year. He gets in one of his hot streaks and now he’d be our savior.
Break out the Thorazine. The Schizoids are still here, running around the aisles, alternately burning hot and freezing cold – kind of like Kelly Johnson’s hitting. Like I said, the more things change…..
April 30th, 20104:54 pm
Your numbers don’t lie. But let’s revisit them in October. If I am wrong, I will readily admit it. I just think at the end of the season, their 2010 numbers won’t be much different overall.
Yeah…but I wouldn’t say it’s a good thing…I don’t know what it is…it just doesn’t seem like…him.
That oughta change after tonight, though! Oh yeah…I’m actually excited for this game! Haven’t had this feeling in weeks…
April 30th, 20104:56 pm
njbraves-Dude, why don’t you just go watch the Phillies play if they make you so much more happy and give your life so much more meaning? You, of all people here on this blog, can’t even call anyone a dummy with a straight face.
ugaaccountant, I think you are talking about a somewhat separate issue from positional scarcity. The fact that you agree that KJ would be more valuable at second than left means we pretty much agree on positional scarcity.
The argument you are making is that KJ was quite possibly the best LF option. I don’t know if I agree with that. He was certainly a better option than some of those other guys you listed. But I think it was reasonable to think Melky was a better option. KJ is probably the better hitter but, in spite of Melky’s start, the difference will probably not be all that great when all is said and done. Then you add defense in baserunning and I think you can make the argument that Melky was at least as good an option or better.
April 30th, 20104:57 pm
njbraves…give us a break…to some the stadium is half full and to some it’s half empty. Last time I was there it was half full. Wher were you?
RotoRooter, a bit of a tough call, but CarGo has been really hot. I would have a hard time sitting him. In the bats in front of heyward were goiing a little better, I would be tempted to go with him vs. Myers. As hot as the Rays pitchers are, I would have a hard time putting Guillen in there… he’s been cooling off too.
So, I love Heyward against Meyers, except that Galus keeps clearing the bases in front of him. So I say CarGo.
Any word on Jurrjens?
April 30th, 20104:58 pm
Thank you for your service!!
Thanks for the lineup, Ms. Rogers!
“. I think he had some mechanical issues” (talking about KJ)
Yep….too bad he didn’t have one of those, what do ya call them…oh yeah, “HITTING COACH” to help him get through those issues!
we need a youth movement, did you see Heyward after those walk off hits thats what gets asses in seats, do you see Matty Diaz after he does something good or bad HE SHOWS EMOTION. Im tired of Yunel not caring, i’m tired of Melkys expressionless face, i’m tired of Glaus’s glazed over rainman stare, and most of all i’m tired of Chippers matter of fact, i’ve seen it all before, tell me something i don’t know air of arrogance.
April 30th, 20105:00 pm
Holy geez, there’s some interesting (crazy) people on here. *cough*BravesFanNoMore*cough*
Lew, I love Prado, and I do think he is a MUCH better 2B than Kelly Johnson. That said, I think we would all be happy with the Kelly Johnson of LAST year playing LF for us at this point. The Kelly Johnson of this year would be an unspeakable upgrade.
Oh, and other than the batting average, which everyone keeps saying is not important, their career Braves numbers are not all that different. Overall career numbers for both are even more similar
April 30th, 20105:01 pm
Nahhh, Kincaid has no vested interest in giving that advice. He’s a neutral observer.
Make of Kincade what you like but the man is exactly right. I heard that rant yesterday and I agreed with him.
Don’t go overstating the point I am trying to make, and that is that KJ was not the albatross that some would have you believe. In fact, he was a decent ballplayer in the few years we got to watch him play.
I just get so damned tired of the “this guy sucks” or “that guy sucks” from the brainless supposed Braves fans on the blog. I am just trying to defend the truth.
Are we going to have a contest for dumbest blogger of the day? We have several good candidates so far but I am sure we will be able to add a few in-game bloggers.
April 30th, 20105:02 pm
You’re welcome, McFann.
April 30th, 20105:03 pm
Kelly Johnson stunk last season in Atlanta, if anyone cares to remember. Just stunk. He stunk at the plate and in the field. In 2009, he didn’t seem like a terribly motivated player.
That Johnson has improved his offense in Arizona is good for him and the Diamondbacks. But he wasn’t producing here, so good riddens.
As to LaRoche, he did produce nicely in his half season with the Braves. That Wren didn’t choose to try to resign LaRoche was a dissapointment to some of us who post here regularly.
Given that Freeman is projected to be the Braves’ first baseman in the near term, I understand Wren’s thinking about not wanting to lock up LaRoche to longer term deal. But we all know how it goes with rookies and projections. LaRoche had a good chemistry with other Braves, played solid defense and, at least, hit well in the stretch.
CB – yes, and the winner gets a virus that takes their PC or laptop out.
CB – sorry, but I’m afraid I might not get a chance to do much in-game blogging, so I guess I’m out of the running…
April 30th, 20105:04 pm
OK I was wrong……
Houston is in a little funk as the Braves are…… they have scored just 8 runs in their last 3 games……. all losses.
We may have found a team the Braves can beat ?
Tommy Hanson is possibly our best pitcher, hopefully he gets run support for a CHANGE !
April 30th, 20105:05 pm
The Braves Suck
BuckheadBrave…can I use that? You put my thoughts to words. The rainman analogy was right on with Glaus. Chipper only gets excited when he talks about his company BuckCommander…might be time to hang up the cleats old fellow.
Tommy Hanson is possibly our best pitcher, hopefully he gets run support for a CHANGE ! – Peter
I think he’s out best pitcher and its not even close.
April 30th, 20105:06 pm
Kelly Johnson was always good for an incredible hot spell every once in awhile, this year it just happened to be at the start. I guarantee he will soon go into one of his patented 1-40 streaks with a good number of strikeouts, and will throw in a couple of ill timed errors to lose a game or two as well. It’ll happen. I’ll take Prado any day over KJ.
Sorry, but you wouldn’t even make the top 10 today!
Glen W,now that is a prize! At least for the rest of us.
April 30th, 20105:07 pm
Braves 2010 so far:
1. No speed
2. Very little power
3. Poor fundamentals
4. Shaky defense
5. Inconsistant starting pitching
Those first four are the main reasons we’re in this losing streak. If you have little power and no speed, than you need to be a good fundamental team to compensate for no speed/power. They get guys on, but can’t figure out how to drive them in. Pressure starts to build in every at bat to do something big when all they had to do was slap the ball the other way to move the runner up and sac fly him in.
Question– does a group like this suddenly learn how to do these things together and they can be a playoff type team, or is this just more of what’s to come? Are they going to wait on some luck and a guy to hit that HR or keep coming from behind in the late innings hoping that other teams pens explode so they can win with drama? If so, it’s obvious we’re looking at 5 straight years with no playoffs.
@ Glen W – great minds think alike, that was my first thought but I started feeling a “Bobby Cox hunch” since they moved Myers up and his numbers and HRs given up against Braves are high. Besides, the Braves bats have to break out one day (LOL), right?. I thought this way, first day of season at home – 16 runs. First day of “new season at home” – 10 runs. LOL!
I am going to do a Frank Wren and do nothing so I will keep Heyward in. Check back with me at the end of the night.
April 30th, 20105:08 pm
For the love of Jebus can we just win a game and show a spine. I’m going tomorrow and I don’t want to feel like an idiot going to into a potential 11game losing streak.
April 30th, 20105:09 pm
CB – good idea! You’re in charge.
Glen W – great prize! You get to distribute it.
Captain Obvious,let me write that down- “The Braves suck’. Ok, if I use that,I will give you credit.
April 30th, 20105:12 pm
Yunel is one drama queen. He’s just one of those players you’re always going to have to wonder when something crazy is about to happen. One at bat to the next it’s like high and low. He’s either nodding his head showing his passion for the game, or he looks like he’s about to run off the field to his car and cry while punching the dash. Dude is a headcase. A talented one, but still a headcase.
April 30th, 20105:13 pm
Hey Glen W …….. you may be correct, so if the loosing stops, he will be the guy…….
But if you give up 1-3 runs, and the Braves don’t score……or the errors keep coming……then loss #10 is not out of the possibility.
Folks we have tied LA Dodgers with the most errors so far this year as a team.
April 30th, 20105:14 pm
Soph, as executive officer of the ” You Suck as a Blogger” award,I appoint you as the bean counter!
April 30th, 20105:17 pm
MP Games at 2B: 106, Total Chances: 540, Errors: 12
KJ Games at 2B: 352, Total Chances: 1770, Errors: 40
If you do the ratio’s, both players are fairly equal at SECOND BASE.
Now I know that the numbers don’t tell everything, but there really isn’t much difference in both players in the field.
But to hear some tell it, one guy totally sucks, while the other can do no wrong.
April 30th, 20105:18 pm
Daggone, since Wandy Rodgriguez was scratched, I knew Matty D wouldn’t get to play. I am so sick of that routine. How’s he ever supposed to get in a groove with such limited playing time. As for Kelly Johson: good for him! People, including myself, just crucified him on this blog over his play last year. So, he got himself even further into a funk and then lost his job to Prado. I’m very happy for him that it’s worked out in Arizona, he always seemed like a very nice guy. No use crying over it now or pretending like anybody wanted to keep him last year! As they say, it is what it is!
As for Smotlzie, I am so enjoying his broadcasts! I just love listening to him & Joe. They are developing quite a nice rapport and he is so knowledgeable. It makes me feel like he’s still a Brave, which is nice, ’cause I really miss him! I’m enjoying Tommy’s broadcasts, too. They are back with the Braves, where they belong.
Please let this losing streak end tonight!! Show some fire, Braves. Stop being so meek and playing sloppy! Go Braves!!
April 30th, 20105:19 pm
Woo hoo! Watch the Braves win and everyone remain calm and sane today though.
When another team’s GM says of Kelly Johnson “I think he had some mechanical issues” …
…Mr. Pendelton, would YOU have concurred?
April 30th, 20105:21 pm
Frenchy had mechanical issues…..so he went and saw the Texas Ranger’s hitting coach……..
What does that tell us ?
Travis go ahead, the more Glaus to Rainman comparisons out there the better.
April 30th, 20105:22 pm
Yo Yo Bravos ~ ya’ll need to grow a spin and show up tonight… or am I talking to myself?
Dick Doss,I know you are happy. KJ got a hit.
I said yesterday we should win against Myers. Right now, it’s 40/60 in favor of another loss for me. If these players are really this bad playing together than the losing might not ever end. They’ll win a game eventually, just not many is what I mean.
The way things are going right now, you can expect a few sharp grounder to Infante’s right that Yunel would get to but Infante can’t. You can expect sharp grounders to Chipper’s right that his bad hip,etc. won’t allow him to get to that he might get to when healthy. You can expect to be crisp and nipping corners with 95mph fastballs and keeping Braves hitters off balance all night. Expect also for Hanson to get squeezed left and right and be up to 90-100 pitches by the 5th.
If things are going the way, we win.
April 30th, 20105:23 pm
Lew…..I have no issue calling you a dummy if you are content to accept the Braves as constructed. If you and others can’t see the problems, well I don’t know what to tell ya.
Maybe should have said Myers to look good tonight.
Was I hearing things, but didn’t it leak out early this season that Kelly and Jeff were bad clubhouse guys? Just sayin…
Anyhoo I wish them both well.
I love to watch Yunel play SS. What an arm! And those two times a couple of years back when he stole second while the pitcher was picking his nose, was priceless. And last year, when he hit with RISP, he was awesome.
BUT, the drama should have stopped by now. He’s in his 4th full year in the bigs, and he still acts like a kid sometime. To watch him in the batters box on an inside pitch, makes me cringe. Damn, grow up son.
I also have my suspicions that he may be dogging it when he supposedly has an injury. They seem to always be those sort of injuries that can’t be substantiated.
Problem is this; what do you do with him? Live with his funky ways? You can’t real deal him now, as that would screw up your infield for the season.
I remember Bobby talking on XM during the winter meetings and saying “Yunel will go as far as he let’s himself go.” or something to that affect.
Puzzling for sure.
@Dick Doss – KJ got that hit, your streak is alive and he helps my roto team.
April 30th, 20105:24 pm
Roy Hobbs: the mere fact that you read it heartens me. The fact that you disagree means absolutely nothing to me. Thanks just the same.
seriously for someone in such a slump Melky’s face is so blank not only do you wonder if he cares but you start to wonder if he even realizes the situation.
Yunel Escobar is likely at least a couple of days from returning to the lineup with his sore groin. He was planning not to do any running today or tomorrow to give it time to heal….said “no bueno” about the way it felt this afternoon.
Jair Jurrjens will be skipped the next time through the rotation and come back and start on Saturday in Philadelphia to give his hamstring extra time to heal.
April 30th, 20105:25 pm
Blaine Boyer today: 1/3 inning, 2 hits, 3 BB, 3 ER.
At least not all of our cast-offs are lighting it up.
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