1:52 pm April 29, 2010, by David O'Brien
April 29th, 20105:29 pm
It might be a little tricky getting a boat from here to Altanta
HINSKE on whether he’s seen any encouraging signs: “I think so. We’re starting to swing the bats a little better. For a while there, we weren’t getting any hits or timely hits. We’d get some guys on and hit into a double play or not drive in any runs. I think we’re making strides. Bottom line, we’ve got to play better baseball as a team. That’s it.”
April 29th, 20105:30 pm
If Freddie Freeman was that good, his butt would be called up already because obviously we suck at 1st base.
Okee, that does it for me, I give up. Apparently, we have armchair scouts now too. Later people.
Jason Heyward facts
April 29th, 20105:31 pm
Speaks volumes on TP.
April 29th, 20105:32 pm
So Hinske says every good team he’s been on has went through something like this ? He played on the 09 Yankees and 07 Red Sox teams. Somehow I don’t think those teams ever lost 9 games in a row !!
April 29th, 20105:33 pm
Oh yes, I’m going to go read something called TP is for bungholes. Can’t wait for the enlightenment.
April 29th, 20105:34 pm
Oh yes, I’m going to go read something called TP is for bungholes. Can’t wait for the enlightenment. – Brava
funny! ya, i saw that too…no thanks.
April 29th, 20105:36 pm
Heyward 5HR’s in 71AB
Rest of the team 8HR’s in 643AB’s
Rob from SC
1) This is Liberty Media’s fault. They don’t care about winning. They lower the payroll so we are reduced to crappy players
2) Pendleton needs to go if for no other reason to get a new voice.
3) Chipper is no longer a feared slugger. Cox doesn’t know this
4) We need to rebuild completely
Hanson ends the streak tomorrow
One reason the Braves did not want Roachy is because of his slow starts, and the money he was looking for.
But another reason the Braves let Roachy go is because he wanted a multi-year contract, and the Braves only wanted somebody for one year. That way, Freeman could be brought up next year if he was ready.
If Adam had told the Braves that he would be willing to sign for 1 year at $4.5 mil, a second year at $7.5 mil, with a $1.5 mil buyout, the Braves might have signed him.
I hope Bobby gives Hinske more starts, because Glaus has not played well, and all HInske has done is hit whenver he is called upon. Unfortunately, Bobby is always too slow to make a move.
I dont understand how Bobby keeps talking about we;re playing well. What game is he watching? I’ll say this.
If the Braves play this bad for the whole season, I wonder if Bobby would want to come back next year with a chance to go out on better terms (nobody wants to go out a loser).
April 29th, 20105:37 pm
I thought Kelly couldn’t hit leadoff
April 29th, 20105:38 pm
And someone needs to be held accountable for this crap. Cox or Wren
Why can’t Arthur Blank buy this team ? He has a ton of money and he cares about winning !!
April 29th, 20105:39 pm
The Rockie catcher passed a kindey stone during the game and stayed in there.
Chipper should be laughed at
April 29th, 20105:40 pm
Gary, if the Braves have a bad season this year, even if Cox wanted to come back would the Braves let him ?
April 29th, 20105:41 pm
Arthur Blank has a ton of money because he makes good business decisions…which doesn’t include buying an entire baseball team on a whim
April 29th, 20105:44 pm
jeffrey d, does Bravesfan2010 remind you of anyone else?
April 29th, 20105:47 pm
braves70 Well played McMauer!
Soph Whenever the Braves win again, I’d like to see Rally’s party it up like it’s 1999.
Oh, he’ll be dancing alright! Just hope he remembers how…
Back-Stabber McFann has a crush on the handsome MVP Mauer.
Don’t be disgusting!!! I lost my own bet, that’s all.
April 29th, 20105:48 pm
Nine losses in a row. 81 runs scored in 22 games. 16 of those runs on opening day.
That means this team has scored 65 runs since game #2 of the season. 65 runs in 21 games equals out to …
3 freaking runs a game!!!!!!!
Not that I think it’s his fault, but how does Terry Pendleton have a job still? Fire him to get some fire under these guys arses.
April 29th, 20105:50 pm
He reminds me of a lot of people…is there one in particular?
April 29th, 20105:51 pm
Is Freddie Freeman the next Albert Pujols or something ? If not, then I don’t see why the Braves couldn’t sign LaRoche to a 3 or 4 year contract. Bravesfan2010
He does not have to be the next Pujols, just better than LaRoche.
April 29th, 20105:53 pm
Take a good look at this lineup and compare it to teams that win. It’s pretty weak. It amazese that TP gets to keephis job.
So what you’re saying is the talent he’s working with sucks, so fire the coach.
Do you also fire the special ed teacher because her kids can’t somehow get into an Ivy League school?
April 29th, 20105:55 pm
Good call CB
April 29th, 20105:57 pm
while the offense has stunk the SP hasn’t really lived up to my expectations either: 9 quality starts out of 22 games. other than hudson the rotation as been kinda bad. lowe crappy again (go figure), KK and hanson have been okay, but both taxed the pen and JJ has just not looked good this year (two starts of only a couple innings and an ERA over 6)
April 29th, 20105:58 pm
This team is a joke. The Braves have been the softest team in the majors for years, this is the worse ever. Hate that Cox is going to go out in a trainwreck of a season but maybe he is one of the issues
April 29th, 20105:59 pm
(Freeman) does not have to be the next Pujols, just better than LaRoche.
you meant to say cheaper than laroche
April 29th, 20106:00 pm
Folks, Wren and company put this team together with the mindset that scoring 4 runs is the problem. We aren’t going to end the streak with a lot of runs, imo, we are going to end it with a GREAT pitching performance…which is why we never went on such a losing strea back in the day (Maddux, Smoltz, and Glav…We built this team around pitching…we have to win when we score 3 or 4 runs. Have to…now, today, JJ left with an injury. But, still…
April 29th, 20106:02 pm
cs95, Hanson has been OK ? His ERA is 2.14 !!! By far the best out of all the starters.
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
April 29th, 20106:04 pm
I agree with Bobby, we’re playing great baseball.
JC from DR
This team certainly has the talent, you saw it on Opening Day, you saw it on the come-from-behind win against the Phils. This is a team with 8 position players capable of taking anybody deep. Capable of taying any game. They have the talent to be one of the most powerful lineups in the league. What they lack is leadership and a good coach and manager to guide them. This team need Toilet Paper to be fired, just like the Rockies did last year, it worked for them….
April 29th, 20106:05 pm
In sports, you know you have good coaches, assistants, and coordinators when people are interviewing them and trying to hire them away from you. We used to have former or future managers on the coaching staff. When’s the last time anyone (legitimately) interviewed or tried to hire away Chino, Hubbard, Snitker, or Terry? When have any of them made anyone’s managerial short list?
we should have done this 4 years ago… and i know bobby is not going to want to do it now, but its time to rebuild. its time to sell off anyone and everyone not named heyward, hanson or mcann… i know that doesnt leave much but we could some decent prospects in return for our veteran relievers and should be able to get a phenomenal haul for escobar. mclouth might have some trade value as well… its just finally time to blow this thing up and start over. if we would have done this nearly five years ago, we might be fielding a good team right now…
April 29th, 20106:06 pm
That’s funny Braveheart
Stop the freakin’ bleeding NOW…replace Glaus, McLouth, Cabrera before it’s too late~
It is time to get rid of TP
He brings nothing to this team in anyway to help them
I wish we had a real media that would press the team and coaches
but they are like the fans at the Ted
April 29th, 20106:07 pm
The “cheaper” comment
April 29th, 20106:08 pm
bravesfan, my mistake i didn’t see his era. i was remembering his inability to get through more than 5 innings.
Wow, my typos are incredible…
April 29th, 20106:11 pm
I don’t worry much about typos, considering the population will outgrow the fresh water supply by 2031.
April 29th, 20106:12 pm
if we would have done this nearly five years ago, we might be fielding a good team right now…
What, kept 3 players? Yeah, why didn’t JS or FW think of that?
April 29th, 20106:15 pm
f Freddie Freeman was that good, his butt would be called up already because obviously we suck at 1st base.
he’s 20 friggin’ years old, for crying out loud. in fact, I think he should be in AA. I think they’ve rushed his development. He’s not exactly a fast track prospect like a Heyward, but for whatever reason they rushed his development anyway. He likely should have spent a full year at each level. he should have been arriving when he was 22 or 23, but they seem hellbent on rushing him up at 21, or maybe even younger
April 29th, 20106:17 pm
I don’t worry much about typos, considering the population will outgrow the fresh water supply by 2031. Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
Troubling thought, but a healthy perspective.
April 29th, 20106:19 pm
Stat of the Day:
K Johnson and A. LaRoche, 7 for 9, two HR, 8 RBI.
April 29th, 20106:20 pm
Braveheart, you are a beacon of good-reason, and exactly right.
Freeman is holding his own at AAA. WOuld like to see more walks but that is not his game
April 29th, 20106:21 pm
DOB any update on Salcedo?
April 29th, 20106:24 pm
Ain’t that Amanda Knox’s boyfriend?
Reaching for answers, feeling depair, feeling alone……Call 1-800-chop-this. Counslers are standing by waiting for your call to guide you through this difficult time. don’t delay……Call NOW!!
He’s in prison.
April 29th, 20106:25 pm
Isn’t that more offense than our entire team has mustered in a week?
April 29th, 20106:27 pm
METS MADNESS – Enjoy it, you will be crying in september
Damn, it’s harry caray time.
April 29th, 20106:28 pm
How many more nails will this coffin hold?
April 29th, 20106:32 pm
JC from DR —– From here to there you guys will have used up all the kleenex. We’ll have to wipe off the tears on our sleeves.
April 29th, 20106:37 pm
Roachy and KJ driven in more runs today than our starting position players have in about 9 games.
Wayne in Utah
Is Escobar really hurt, or is this just an excuse to get out of the lineup while things are going poorly? Seems like he has had injuries like this in the past………..
April 29th, 20106:39 pm
METS MADNESS – Actually no, that’s the difference between Mets and Braves fans. We are not crying little girls who go to another team’s blog to talk excrement to other fans while your team is winning, but start crying like chickens in the morning when your team chokes and are nowhere to be seen. Good luck wiping your tears with your sleeves in september, you will be needing a LOT of jerseys
April 29th, 20106:40 pm
Wayne – Yeah, it’s an excuse, he learned that from Chipper.
April 29th, 20106:42 pm
The people that continue to blame Laroche for not being in Atlanta need to give it a rest. He started out seeking a multi-year deal (think it was at least 3 years). Wasn’t this his first shot at FA? Of course he needed to shoot for his best contract ever.
However, as time went on his demands dropped down to two years. Wren refused to give him more than 1 year and so we never even entertained the thought of adding him. If we would’ve jumped back in on a 2 year offer and negotiated a little, well, you see what he got and you see what we ended up with.
We ended up with Rico Brogna/BJ Surhoff/Robert Fick/Julio Franco/Casey Kotchman……errr, Troy Glaus.
Like I said in January, Wren had a vintage Pittsburgh Pirate offseason of the past 15 years. (until the past 2 years under new Pittsburgh leadership)
April 29th, 20106:45 pm
JC from DR —– You’ll have to pardon my ignorance but I’ve never seen chickens crying. As for the “Little Girls crying”…..I don’t know JC, but there’s a lot of little girls crying right here.
April 29th, 20106:46 pm
“It is time to get rid of TP”
HA, like that’ll happen anytime soon. Bobby’s boy ain’t going nowhere in his final season.
Rob, correct on Chipper. Actually, aside from Heyward and McCann there aren’t any feared hitters in this lineup. All they do is pitch around Brian anyways, so that leaves Heyward. Prado, as good as he is, isn’t a HR threat and he’s a #2 hitter.
You’ll literally drive yourself crazy watching this group try and create something during an inning. Painful and pathetic. How many times have they strung more than one hit in an inning? Well, they’d probably better learn seeing as how this lineup doesn’t have but one true slugger and he’s a 20 year kid. Whatever anybody thought of before the season that could go wrong has gone wrong.
April 29th, 20106:48 pm
Yeah, I think it is easy for us to go back and second guess any moves Wren did or did not make last winter, especially considering how badly our team is suffering now.
But, I would agree that even he might be regretting not pursuing LaRoche a bit more vigorously at this point.
April 29th, 20106:49 pm
METS MADNESS, what are you gonna do when your team starts to fall apart? You still gonna come around other teams blogs?
kill ‘em all, let the baseball gods sort ‘em out !!
April 29th, 20106:52 pm
METS MADNESS – Oh im sorry, i should’ve known. Given your ignorance, i should’ve said ”like screaming/chanting/singing/crying chickens in the morning” for you to be able to understand it.
Whatever you say dude.
we should have done this 4 years ago… and i know bobby is not going to want to do it now, but its time to rebuild
They’ve been rebuilding for about 5 years. What’s the hope of your rebuild at this time? To come out on the other side with a 26 year old catcher and second basemen, a 27 year old shortstop, a 28 year old centerfielder, a 20 year old rightfielder, a 25 year old utility outfielder, a 28 year old utility infielder, a pair of aces aged 23 and 24, a 24 year old swingman, a 23 year old centerfield prospect, a 20 year old first base prospect, a potential closer in AA who throws 99 miles an hour, and then supplement those guys with veterans?
April 29th, 20106:53 pm
I was quite happy that the Braves signed Billy Wagner. Too bad he’s had to scratch his ass all game long for a week and a half because we can’t get a lead. This team isn’t a joke like many commenters have said, but this IS becoming a little embarassing. I don’t want for the Braves to be in the Hall of Shame for the longest losing steak ever. You’d figure we could take the Astros and the Nationals, but then again, a little league team could kick our ass right now.
On the brightside, we scored, what, 4 runs today? I think that’s better than our average. Baby steps.
While it is true that we have quite a few hitters underperforming, I think the biggest issue is Chipper’s lack of hitting leadership at this time. No doubt that in the past, he has carried this team on his back for a week to ten days.
I hope he still has something left in the tank, but I am not sure he does. Without him, who leads by example? Mac? Maybe. Everybody else we have are followers.
Maybe in the future, Heyward takes that role, but not at 20 years old.
If Chipper can’t pull it together, we might be doomed. Bobby is the team leader, but he doesn’t go out and play every day. Few successful teams do it without an on-field leader.
Just my observations……
TnBrian —- Well you tell me. What are you doing while the braves a falling apart?
April 29th, 20106:55 pm
I meant “Are” falling apart……Gotta get that in there before the Grammer police catch me.
April 29th, 20106:56 pm
Agreed. Our biggest obstacle with adding a player or two at this point, is the salary issue. Maybe LMC will pony up for a small investment? We need a Braves stimulus package fore shore!
April 29th, 20106:57 pm
Wayne in Utah: It’s been easy for me to 2nd guess Wren all winter. I absolutely blame Wren for a lot of stuff, not Laroche. That was my point.
Cutting Kelly Johnson? Just seemed crazy to me. Of course, I backed that thinking up by making him my middle infielder on my fantasy squad. When your home team isn’t producing, fall back on your fantasy squad.
Cabrera? Glaus? Saito? (I could end up being wrong on that one but my contention was backing up your old closer with someone that is almost as old)
And though nothing will be done this year, Pendleton isn’t doing a damn thing.
April 29th, 20106:58 pm
yeah ripping Chipper, the guy with the third best OPS on the team makes a lot of sense. forget about the whole pile of guys @ 600 and below
“Has anybody checked out LaRoche and Kelly’s stats” “They have as many HR as the whole Braves team” “We should kept both around” “What will we do”
Uh, Kelly sucked so bad last year (offense/defense) that I thought he’d end up on Unsolved Mysteries because a fan was going to decapitate him. LaRoche wanted BIG time money and by the time he was rejected by SF and Arz had already signed him cheap, Atlanta had signed Glaus to the $1.5 m deal.
I forgot to add the failure to add someone as a future Chipper replacement. We KNEW he would be out a ton.
April 29th, 20106:59 pm
I stand behind my earlier ascertion that Chipper deserves to stay in the lineup (so long as he is not injured) until he thinks he can’t do it anymore; but that time might be approaching.
April 29th, 20107:02 pm
TnBrian: By the time it was clear Laroche wasn’t getting “big time money”, Laroche’s demands had dropped considerably, both in years and $. A 2-year deal would’ve gotten it done but Wren would not give that to him.
And even if the Braves had signed Glaus for $1.5, that shouldn’t have precluded them from adding a cheap Laroche.
an OPS over 800 but the time might be coming? hmmm
too dam bad the all don’t have an OPS over 800, we’d be leading the league
What do you think about my thoughts of not having a team leader on the field? You can tout OPS all day, but Chipper’s OPS ain’t getting it done.
I have been a huge CJ fan for a long time………but what I see on the field and at the plate is not encouraging.
April 29th, 20107:03 pm
METS MADNESS, aw, Bless your little heart. Tell ya what, when that squirrely little s*** Reyes goes through a year without tearing up another muscle in his scrawny ass body and when/IF your overpaid CF gets back to form, then you can talk smack. Boy, you have some nerve to talk crap to ANY team.
April 29th, 20107:05 pm
The old baseball axiom to “wait ’til Memorial Day” to assess your team is what Wren is going to do but he may want to act about 2 weeks earlier than that. Mid-May and if we’re still playing, let’s say .400 ball, then it’s time to seriously shop for prospects that are close.
But it won’t happen ’cause of Bobby’s last year. Sad.
I was a KJ fan too, but I understood that move. He would have gotten over 3 million in arbitration if we had kept him around. I am happy for him. Also, the D’back’s park is perfect for him.
April 29th, 20107:07 pm
This losing is real contagious. It sucks. We have good players who are struggling. I just think we need that one catalyst who will get us headed in the right direction.
April 29th, 20107:08 pm
Tommy P, I’m not saying Wren did his best work over this offseason. In fact. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him fired at some point if things don’t turn around. If the guy has a pulse, he’s feeling a ton of heat right now. I don’t care how he’d try and play it off. It’s been a disaster.
But, LaRoche is doing something he’s never done in the 1st half … hit a baseball hard. There were a ton of fans saying the exact same thing that you’d only get half a year from him anyways.
April 29th, 20107:10 pm
In sports, you know you have good coaches, assistants, and coordinators when people are interviewing them and trying to hire them away from you. Braveheart
Fredi Gonzalez (Marlins) and Ned Yost (Brewers have been hired off of Cox’s staff as head coaches in the 2000’s.
Pendleton got his first coaching job in November 2001 as the hitting coach of the Atlanta Braves. It is a position he holds to this day. In 2006 he was on a short list of people to replace Frank Robinson as manager of the Washington Nationals, only to withdraw himself from consideration a few weeks into the process. He was also reportedly one of the frontrunners to be the next St. Louis Cardinals’ manager before current manager Tony La Russa decided to stay with the Cardinals. He is currently the frontrunner to replace Bobby Cox when the esteemed Braves manager retires at the end of the 2010 season. Wikipedia
It was rumored in the media in 2006 that TP was “Coach in Waiting” as soon as Cox retired, which, if true, would explain the lack of short lists TP has made since.
Wayne, Hinske would be a good start getting the team in the right direction. Awesome attitude and he can play some baseball. Glaus should sit a while, or if Bobby feels the need to play the vet, put Hinske in the OF somewhere for a while. Makes no sense to not play this guy everyday, especially right now.
April 29th, 20107:12 pm
Wayne in Utah: Good point on the arbitration but we shaved his $3 mil, Javy’s $11.5 mil, Laroche’s $8 mil, Gonzalez/Soriano’s mucho mil (can’t remember…LOL) and ended up with Glaus from Dollar General, Melky, Wagner and Saito.
Hey, Wren admitted in Schultz’s column that we have money to spend right now.
At the end of the year, Cox retires, TP goes his way and Wren gets the boot so we can completely start over.
April 29th, 20107:13 pm
We did so much hit and running in the spring and it worked well. Why do we continue to stand around and wait for a 3-run homer. Move Heyward to 3rd. Go Esco-Prado-Heyward-Chipper-McCann and the runs will come. Time for old man Cox to get creative.
C’mon TnBrian……You would love to have Reyes as your lead off hitter. Be honest. Secondly, even without Beltran the Mets find themselves in FIRST PLACE. Your team on the other hand is on a 9 game losing streak and in last place. The Mets have a better 25 man roster than the braves and as the season progresses it will be quite obviouse to you if it isn’t already…….
believe it or not Houston has struggled more offensively than the Braves.
April 29th, 20107:14 pm
TP might make a good manager. I would hire Gonzalez or Perez myself.
April 29th, 20107:15 pm
Odds that we finish in last place?
METS MADNESS, the Mets are in 1st. We’re in last? Come on, I didn’t know that. Dude, it’s not even May yet and you’re creaming all over yourself. Calm down, son.
Our pitching is better
Our bullpen is better
And when Cox finally gets the lineup right we will be better period
April 29th, 20107:16 pm
METS MADNESS – You should be a comedian.
April 29th, 20107:17 pm
Braveheart already made the point that we are already in a rebuilding mode. What else are you going to do? Wagner might be the only player we have that has any real street value that is over 30ish.
April 29th, 20107:18 pm
Hinske is a band aid, not the solution.
And Laroche had a .916 OPS in April last year so it looked like he was beginning to solve the early season struggles. The year before he had a really good May.
It’s called evolving as a player.
JC from DR —– You find those crying chickens yet?
April 29th, 20107:19 pm
Rob, they’re pressing like some MF. Everyone of those hitters is pressing trying their best to get something going. They aren’t waiting for the ball to come to them. A few guys in the lineup stay back consistantly and that’s Prado and Chipper. The rest are jumping at the ball and Nate’s the worst at this. My God he’s awful!
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