Taking pitches depends on the pitcher – habit & quality. If the guy throws good first pitch strikes, and you can hit, you should probably hit it unless your the top 2 guys in order, or you have a few guys who can steal. McCann & Chipper you don’t worry about; the rest of the line up probably needs better coaching.
What about the team chemistry. This teams seems to love each other. It is early in the season and I have fate in our Bravos. We will turn it around. Troy Glaus sure was looking good last night. I like how he is swinging the bat.
To bad bravesfan isn’t here to tell his story again. He apparently is a friend of Francoeur, who said essentially the Braves don’t do any coaching at all.
When you are in a losing streak and getting beat by an average of 5 or 6 runs per game, that’s
because of lack of talent. When you consistently lose by 1 run, then you have a major managerial
problem. It all rests with Cox.
Bobby Cox: Since you haven’t been responding to my emails, I thought I’d leave a meesage on this blog. Have no fear, I’m here ready to step in and help the offense whenever you need me. To stay sharp, I have been attending the Troy Glaus school for hitting.
Does anyone here really believe that Heyward wants to take a 3-1 fastball down the middle? He is just either not recognizing the pitch, not getting it in the area he is looking for or he is just unable to pull the trigger. That happens to every hitter from time to time. He is not sitting there looking to take that fastball! That’s what you get from a 20 year old with less than 150 ABs above class A. He is going to be great but it’s going to take a while. My fear is that I flat out don’t trust TP to be the one messing with his pitch selection…
Look on the bright side, nobody else in the NL East (or the entire NL for that matter) is looking very good either. The Mets have been incredible the past week, but they won’t keep it up. To play as bad as the Braves have the past few weeks and still only be 3.5 games out in the division is a huge break.
Ditto what 61-year and Tread said. This is also the reason that post season, where the games are typically close, has been abysmal for the Braves over the past 20 years.
Seems like we make most pitchers look like Cy Young..as Bobby says sometimes you have to tip your cap to the opposing team. I would like to point out that we have great team chemistry
When you look at things, if the Braves had not brought Heyward up this year, who would the outfielders be? Would they have gone out and signed another Garret Anderson type to go with Melky, Diaz, & Nate?
That would have been horrific!!! They made a calculated risk to bring Heyward up:
1 – money would not be an issue
2- excitement for the fan base
3-breath some life into the dead team
Hold up a minute. Who is giving this guy advice? TP? Bobby? His own hitting coach? Please dont mess up Heywards head by having 10 different people trying to tell him how to hit.
Find the best hitting coach on the planet, and hire him to work with your team. If thats not TP, then fire him. If Cox does not feel TP is doing his job, he should address it with TP, so that TP can address it with Heyward.
The way this sounds, Heyward is getting different advice from different people, which we have seen is hard for established players. I cant imagine the pressure it puts on a 20 year old rookie.
I went to 2 concerts recently where the tomahawk was started between the end of the set and the encore. Last Friday at My Morning Jacket @ Chastain; and this past Monday at Band of Horses in Athens.
Pretty freaking cool. Both times I thought the Braves had won the games, check my iphone and they had lost. I dont know why the chop was started, but definitely cool.
Heyward saw 6.3 pitches per plate appearance Tuesday. Five other players in the majors faced more than 6.0 pitches per PA on Tuesday: John Baker (7.0), Carlos Ruiz (7.0), Gabe Gross (6.7) and Chris Coghlan (6.3). Just noticed that stat on Buster’s blog.
Well, at some point you have to think they’ll turn it around. Last night’s game was another infamous one-run loss but what it was NOT was error prone. Yeah, we left about 9 or 10 on and Heyward had a golden chance with bases loaded but things looked a lot better last night than Monday’s effort. Lowe pitched a heck of aa lot better than I thought he would and was sailing fine the first half. The Cards made two consecutive bad throws; one from CF (Rasmous sp) to pitcher, pitcher to home plate, both throwing the ball into the ground. So, at least what comes around goes around and there’s a lot going around in the NL right now. The Mets won’t be playing 500+ ball all year and the Phillies won’t be playing sub-.500 ball either. The Nats — well, who knows but two things we know about the Nats and that’s that they can swing it and they’ve always had our number. When they bring up Straussberg (sp), he’ll only be a threat once every five days.
Chin up Braves fans. This team is a lot better than we’re seeing and we’ve already seen that they can hit. The Braves (for as long as I can remember) have always been a second half team.
When is someone going to make Wren accountable for his bad moves and missed moves? Other than a couple of young pitchers, Heyward (a future star in 2 years probably) and an all-star catcher, the Braves are a team with less talent than 80% of the teams in National league. How the mighty have fallen.
A week ago I asked if anyone had noticed that Heyward ALWAYS takes the first pitch? Well NL pitchers had noticed and strikes are all he has gotten on that first pitch.
Bobby Cox has also noticed it. Thank God. Maybe tonight Heyward will swing at that first pitch strike right down the middle.
And one other point:
Will the posters on here stop stomping on Jordon Schafer. The boy broke a bone in his hand last year and someday will be the Braves star player in CF. And it won’t be long, no longer than it takes him to get over the surgery on that wrist.
This team is as bad as any that the Braves have fielded since coming to Atlanta in 1966. As bad as any of the terrible teams of the 70’s & 80’s. There are too many automatic outs in the lineup. The reason Prado, McCann & Heyward aren’t hitting is simple: they aren’t being pitched to. Pitchers would rather pitch to Chipper (old, hurt, bat slowed down); Glaus (finished, old, slow) and McLouth (Looking completely lost;as bad as any bad hitter in A ball right now). When you’ve got hitters this bad, your couple of good hitters will not see pitches. It’s fundamental baseball.
The whole team takes too many pitches. The Phillies fight off every pitch especially when they’re down in the count. The Braves watch every pitch and then complain about calls when we strike out looking.
I live and die with the Braves, have been since 1966 when I was just in the first grade. My Goodness, the run production is so pathetic, can someone do something? Wren, Cox, Pendleton, if you are the hitting coach, FIX IT! And, who is the fielding coach, our defense has been sub-par. Come Cox, right this ship immediately or go ahead and jump off and let someone who will….remember A DEAD FISH STINKS FROM HEAD TO TAIL!
Countdown clock at 142. That’s how many games Cox has left and then the massive celebration can begin. No, not playoffs, but free from 20 years from that moronic buffoon.
Could Shank’s article be more devoid of content? What a fluff piece. The Braves really stink, right now. Not sure I understand how that could be after those dramatic come from behind wins, seven losses, ago.
Sure hope Schafer gets mended and does well in Gwinnett, because the Braves may have a firesale at the All Star break and may need him in CF. Freddie Freeman needs to get it together, as well, because Glaus will also be gone if he does not come around.
Sadly, Cox is going out like Bobby Bowden. It’s obvious that his player’s coach methods have gotten to the point where his players just aren’t being coached at all.
Sure, blame the rookie. Before listening too carefully, Heyward should look over at Nate McLouth and consider his career arc since coming under the tutelage of Cox and Pendleton. More to the point, what have Andruw Jones, Jeff Francoeur, and Kelly Johnson learned elsewhere that they didn’t learn here about hitting? That trio has 16 homers, 32RBI and an average in the .280’s this season. Before Jason Heyward “learns” too much from the Braves’ council of elders, he should figure out what to do with their advice by watching that great Seinfeld episode, “The Opposite.”
“Make trades now for the future and let the stars of tomorrow get used to playing together like the 1990 team did before everything turned around.”
Essentially that’s what happened over the winter. Signed Glaus as a stop-gap for Freeman and traded Vasquez for a Class A pitcher and a replacement-level outfielder; did not sign a power-hitting outfielder for this year (Holliday, Bay, etc.). Half the team is young core, the other half one step out the door into retirement. Half of each half is doing absolutely nothing right now, and it’s becoming contagious.
I don’t have a problem with Heyward striking out too much. The pitch last night was set up to look like a breaking ball on the outside edge that would dive out of the strike zone and he took it; unfortunately it was a fastball with just a tad of movement away. Leave him in there to work out his problems. The REAL problems on the team are: McLouth, Cabrera, Jones, McCann, Glaus, Escobar, Diaz. A couple of these guys are clearly over the hill, a couple are clearly overrated, and a couple are just plain puzzling.
It’s always dangerous to RELY on a catcher to carry a big load. McCann can be a great hitter, but catcher’s are constantly dinged up and there are very few Yogi Berra’s, Johnny Bench, and Pudge Rodriguez types out there that consistently hold up over a full season. Normal McCann-type performance should be viewed as a bonus, not a building block. And, I disagree heatedly with some radio analysts characterizing McCann as a good defensive catcher; he’s one of the worst starting catchers in the league in that respect.
The Braves defense overall has been generally sub-par and troubling, with the occasional nice play in the outfield or from Escobar/Prado. For a team built around solid pitching this is indicative of a shortcoming in the GM’s roster-building. The lack of an offensive contributor in left field is beyond explanation at this point.
Glaus has shown signs of lighting into some pitches lately; he’s also shown signs of degrading to “track power”. If the brass believes he will strengthen as the season progresses I’d stay with him; otherwise, sayonara. Cabrera is replaceable with any AAA outfilder. McLouth is a mystery. Chipper’s problems were predictable. Most likely you need to ride with this roster until the end of May, then if you’re 6-10 below .500 or way back in the race you blow it up and bring in the kids. Problem is, nobody is going to take the dead weight except for Wagner and maybe Saito/Kawakami if they hold up. You might be able to send McLouth somewhere for a second-level prospect, but you might be better off betting on Nate to come back. Could trade Prado or Infante, but we’d have a hard time capturing full value for Escobar.
Truth,
I said the same thing last year here on these blogs, that Bobby Cox has turned into Bobby Bowden. And just like FSU, we let Cox stick around WAY too long, just like they did with Bowden. Both of them completely senile and clueless during a game.
For several years now the Braves Coaches, GM and ownership have been satisfied with losers so until we have all who want to win we are stuck with what we have.
JUST SAYIN agree with you; not hard to notice JH takes a lot of 1 and 2nd pitches right down the middle. Not just with his bases loaded AB last night, but others as well. I bet he changes that approach soon, and I also bet the Braves will rip off a 10 out of 12 or 13 win streak sometime in May.
They are getting no breaks at all, and soon that will change in many ways, in my opinion.
“They are getting no breaks at all, and soon that will change in many ways, in my opinion.”
Pete, I keep watching and hoping, trying to be optimistic. But is has to be acknowledged they are shooting themselves in the foot far too frequently. Sit Escobar for lackluster play and what happens? Jones drops two can-of-corn popups. That does not bode well for team chemistry. As I’ve said before, at Chipper’s salary, as the team leader, and under those circumstances with Escobar being benched he should have been fined $1,000,000.
For the past 2 or 3 years I have been saying to anyone that will listen that Bobby was a good (not great) manager who mis-managed the Braves terribly in their glory years. There is no excuse in the Braves winning all those overrated division titles and winning only 1 world series. Now it is obvious that the time of Bobby Cox has come and has happily gone. He should have done the right thing and “retired” 5 years ago. The Braves are a poorly coached team with a few good young players. Their pitching staff has been terribly overrated, and they continue to be possibly the worst team in the league fundamentally. Their catcher couldn’t even throw out one of the slowest runners in the league (Molina), as he stole second, even after he started, stopped and then re-started. Your 2010 Atlanta Braves are nothing more than a mediocre team that is poorly managed and coached. Chipper and Lowe need to go NOW so rebuilding, youth movement can begin.
No comments at all about Melky trying to catch that sinking liner with his freaking elbow? That play and Chipper’s non-double-play lost the game. Melky can’t play outfield and can’t hit. Why is he in the f@#i%ing lineup every single night?
The only constant so far has been pretty good pitching and consistently terrible defense. The hitting won’t be this bad all year, but how is the defense going to get better?
DAWG, agree completely. But just my opinion that shots to the foot will end as well, because soon no one will have any feet! Thats one of the “many ways” I was referring to. I happen to believe that Cox last year is having some impact….whether that means they try too hard or whatever, I dont know. But that is NO excuse, and Im not trying to suggest it is. They need to forget Cox last year, etc. and play baseball.
Taking pitches early in the count and making the opposing pitcher work is precisly how every hitter in the Yankee organization is taught. The Braves problem is, they are not being aggressive when the count is in their favor ie. 2-1, 3-1 etc. They also have the strange habit of taking strike 3!!
Sell the franchise…it’s all over…warm up the bus…these guys are no good..we’ll never be relevant again….blah…blah…blah. Can we get through April without the entire fan base thinking that the players and leadership are absolute buffoons? Give it some time. After all, how do they say it in baseball, we’re due. Then again, so are the Pirates. We could use a little of that 90s magic. Can Franky Cabrera play the outfield?
When will the Braves win again? How about it Kawakami? Can someone please throw a shutout? That seems to be the best option for us winning again.
I think if you read it again you’ll see Cox isn’t bashing Heyward, he’s simply making an observation. You have to remember these comments stemmed from someone asking him why he thought Heyward was struggling, not because he just felt like pointing out Heyward’s shortcomings.
All you people that act like you understand Bobby so well, and then you act like he just out of nowhere started getting on Heyward’s back about taking a few too many pitches. When does Bobby ever just come out of nowhere and start chastising his players during slumps. This is not Ozzie or Lou we’re talking about here.
just breezed through the three pages of comments and damn. it amazes me that DOB continues to chug out these blogs when he just gets slammed for doing his job. the doomsday rhetoric and pseudo-sarcastic threats against BC and TP have gotten ridiculous. the fault for this start is not on one single person, manager, gm, etc. its a collective effort and responsibility should be dished out accordingly. keep up the work DOB, at the rate your words incite verbal anarchism maybe glenn beck will give you a call for a promotion
I read the Yankee playbook on how to win World Series….seriously watch them play, they lead the league in total pitch count, walks and OB% yearly…and unfortunately in longest games!
Whats up with all the Cox haters or Fire Cox chant. He is only given us more success than we ever have had. If it wasn’t for him we would be still enjoying the losing seasons like we had in the 80’s. If memory serves correctly Braves always start slowly than rebounded very nicely.
Cox is the man in atlanta and knows what is best for the braves.
So all you cox haters go to Pittsburgh and watch a real group of misfits play baseball
I AGREE GET RID OF BOBBY AND THE ENTIRE STAFF NOW. MORE THAN 1/2 TIMES CHIPPER SWINGS AT THE FIRST PITCH WITH MEN ON BASE HE GROUNDS OUT. LEAVE HEYWARD ALONG YOU OLD THINKING MANAGER!
Bill is apparently fallen off his rocker. They obviously will not fire Cox which is just plain stupid and a ignorant thought.
Sorry Raf Norton has more HR so he gets the honors. I wonder if Aaron will come out of retirement to coach.
Jesse Stone, not talking about pitching. Am talking about the position players. There is no there, there. Escobar made another base running blunder in Monday’s game. His head is not in the game. This team has to play flawless defense and run the bases with precision to have a chance at winning. So far, they’ve not been able to do it. I’m a real fan of McCann but he simply cannot throw anyone out at second. He’s not as bad as Mike Piazza was but he’s a very close second. Teams will steal at will against the Bravos.
I understand why Jason is taking so many pitches as he has not faced these pitchers and so he is trying to get a better look at what pitches they throw and how much movement they have, I would like to see him start looking for a 1st pitch fastball and if he gets one then swing away, I have to wonder if our so called hitting coach has not got him screwed up also like Francouer and Johnson plus all the rest of the team because we just can”t hit the ball worth a crap and there has to be a reason for it. Bobby to late to make a move Cox should worry more about how he has mismanaged several games already instead of worrying about Heyward.
Jac,
Cito Gaston took over for Bobby when he left Toronto and won 2 World Series with Bobby’s players. Just think what Torre or somebody like that would have done with Bobby’s players in the 90’s. We would have about 5 WS titles.
Laroche is having a nice start to the year, good for him. His away splits are too few to judge, but he is looking good all around so far.
As for Kelly Johnson, go to Baseballreference.com and check out his home and away splits. It’s veryus. obvious he’s booming in that sandbox of a park over there. His away splits are worse than when we was with
MORE FALSEHOODS FROM PHIL. Jimy Williams took over for Bobby Cox. How did he do in Toronto. Bobby had no Jack Morris, no Roberto Alomar, no Joe Carter, etc. Try again, Phil.
I’m all for letting the kids play; Having Chipper and Glaus kick the ball around the infield is maddening.
Does anybody in the entire organization have speed?
Cut bait with Glaus and call up Freeman already. Just do something Wren, becuase this wretched collection of has-beens and never-was is going nowhere fast. At least switch Glaus and Hinske’s roles – that’d help. At least Hinkse can field and make consistent contact.
Since we can’t hit anyway, I’d like to see Booby try a defense-minded lineup: Put the best defensive players on the field and see what happens:
C, Ross
1B, Hinkse
2B, Conrad
SS, Esco
3B, Prado
LF, Melky
CF, McClouth
RF, Heyward
(That’s not the batting order, just around-the-diamond order).
I know it benches two of our best hitters (Chip and Mac), but if this lineup is paired with Hanson or Hudson, we might could squeak out a 1-run game.
It obvious now why the Yankees didn’t re-sign Cabrera. He is one of those players that has slowed right before your eyes. It looks as though he has put on a lot of weight since last season but whether or not that’s true, the fact that he has slowed considerably cannot be denied. He’s not anywhere near the player he was last year in NYC.
We mostly stunk thru the late 60’s, 70’s, & 80’s. But with hitters like Aaron, Carty Cepeda, Alou, Torre, G.Matthews, Murphy, Chambliss, Horner, Baker, Burroughs, Evans ect… We were at least fun to watch. Too bad Niekro couldn’t pitch everyday, they would have won 5 Championships.
There are several “realistic” trade possibilities in the next month or so. At this point though I’m thinking the best would be Schafer and Viszciano (sp?), and if need be a second rate throw-in prospect to the Indians for Grady Sizemore. He has a reasonable contract and isn’t so elite that he’ll demand 20mil a year once he hits the FA market. He is someone would could realistically sign long-term.
Yes, his offense is off to a slow start, but that’s why I think he might have a shot, well that and the Indians don’t expect to go anywhere this year or the next for that matter. He may be the best defensive CF in baseball right now.
McLouth would have to move to LF, which could be a huge improvement over what we have now if he could adapt.
312 comments Add your comment
Paddy O
April 28th, 2010
12:38 pm
Taking pitches depends on the pitcher – habit & quality. If the guy throws good first pitch strikes, and you can hit, you should probably hit it unless your the top 2 guys in order, or you have a few guys who can steal. McCann & Chipper you don’t worry about; the rest of the line up probably needs better coaching.
Braves20
April 28th, 2010
12:44 pm
Oh, if only Heyward were our largest problem.
corkylikesbeer
April 28th, 2010
12:44 pm
Hey,
What about the team chemistry. This teams seems to love each other. It is early in the season and I have fate in our Bravos. We will turn it around. Troy Glaus sure was looking good last night. I like how he is swinging the bat.
Ted M
April 28th, 2010
12:44 pm
To bad bravesfan isn’t here to tell his story again. He apparently is a friend of Francoeur, who said essentially the Braves don’t do any coaching at all.
61 year Braves Fan
April 28th, 2010
12:46 pm
When you are in a losing streak and getting beat by an average of 5 or 6 runs per game, that’s
because of lack of talent. When you consistently lose by 1 run, then you have a major managerial
problem. It all rests with Cox.
Greg Norton
April 28th, 2010
12:47 pm
Bobby Cox: Since you haven’t been responding to my emails, I thought I’d leave a meesage on this blog. Have no fear, I’m here ready to step in and help the offense whenever you need me. To stay sharp, I have been attending the Troy Glaus school for hitting.
El Bravo
April 28th, 2010
12:47 pm
Does anyone here really believe that Heyward wants to take a 3-1 fastball down the middle? He is just either not recognizing the pitch, not getting it in the area he is looking for or he is just unable to pull the trigger. That happens to every hitter from time to time. He is not sitting there looking to take that fastball! That’s what you get from a 20 year old with less than 150 ABs above class A. He is going to be great but it’s going to take a while. My fear is that I flat out don’t trust TP to be the one messing with his pitch selection…
dpelfrey
April 28th, 2010
12:48 pm
Look on the bright side, nobody else in the NL East (or the entire NL for that matter) is looking very good either. The Mets have been incredible the past week, but they won’t keep it up. To play as bad as the Braves have the past few weeks and still only be 3.5 games out in the division is a huge break.
Jeff Treadway
April 28th, 2010
12:49 pm
61 year Braves Fan – Spot on Sir ! good post !
corkylikesbeer
April 28th, 2010
12:50 pm
Why can’t Bobby tip his cap to the Cardinal’s Pitching or To Larussa last night with his great bullpen moves?
Jeff Treadway
April 28th, 2010
12:51 pm
corkylikesbeer – because the cards bullpen was horrible – but our plate appearances were worse
Braves20
April 28th, 2010
12:52 pm
Ditto what 61-year and Tread said. This is also the reason that post season, where the games are typically close, has been abysmal for the Braves over the past 20 years.
Ted M
April 28th, 2010
12:53 pm
dpelfrey – True, but the Braves are just looking like the least likely to turn it around. Still they have left the door open for us so maybe.
corkylikesbeer
April 28th, 2010
12:53 pm
Jeff,
Seems like we make most pitchers look like Cy Young..as Bobby says sometimes you have to tip your cap to the opposing team. I would like to point out that we have great team chemistry
Jeff Treadway
April 28th, 2010
12:53 pm
Braves20 – EXACTLY !! Thank you !
Jeff Treadway
April 28th, 2010
12:54 pm
This is my 3rd screen name in this thread? Which one do y’all like best?
corkylikesbeer
April 28th, 2010
12:54 pm
DOB,
What did Chipper get for his birthday?
Jeff Treadway
April 28th, 2010
12:55 pm
From what I hear we have Great Team chemistry – other than opening day and the miracle walk off game – I havent seen it
Jeff Treadway
April 28th, 2010
12:56 pm
….because I’m a great judge of team chemistry. I can tell from my sofa.
Jeff Treadway
April 28th, 2010
12:57 pm
LOL ! good one wanna be ME
jay dubu
April 28th, 2010
12:59 pm
When you look at things, if the Braves had not brought Heyward up this year, who would the outfielders be? Would they have gone out and signed another Garret Anderson type to go with Melky, Diaz, & Nate?
That would have been horrific!!! They made a calculated risk to bring Heyward up:
1 – money would not be an issue
2- excitement for the fan base
3-breath some life into the dead team
Roy Hobbs
April 28th, 2010
1:00 pm
Hold up a minute. Who is giving this guy advice? TP? Bobby? His own hitting coach? Please dont mess up Heywards head by having 10 different people trying to tell him how to hit.
Find the best hitting coach on the planet, and hire him to work with your team. If thats not TP, then fire him. If Cox does not feel TP is doing his job, he should address it with TP, so that TP can address it with Heyward.
The way this sounds, Heyward is getting different advice from different people, which we have seen is hard for established players. I cant imagine the pressure it puts on a 20 year old rookie.
Jeff Treadway
April 28th, 2010
1:02 pm
jay dubu – you missed my earlier post –imagine what the Braves record would be if Heyward was at Gwinnett ! LMAO !!
Ted M
April 28th, 2010
1:03 pm
I bet a good clubhouse brawl would spark this team more then team chemistry at this point.
jay dubu
April 28th, 2010
1:03 pm
@Gary,
When did Cox ever, and I mean ever, criticize any of his players in the media? I’ll wait…
Ginger
April 28th, 2010
1:06 pm
Pendleton is the problem. Pitching is good. Get rid of Pendleton before it’s too late!!!
Drew
April 28th, 2010
1:06 pm
He’s mistaking nervousness for plate discipline
Ted M
April 28th, 2010
1:08 pm
I bet Bobby Cox sits Heyward tonight.
AthensBrave
April 28th, 2010
1:10 pm
On a side note:
I went to 2 concerts recently where the tomahawk was started between the end of the set and the encore. Last Friday at My Morning Jacket @ Chastain; and this past Monday at Band of Horses in Athens.
Pretty freaking cool. Both times I thought the Braves had won the games, check my iphone and they had lost. I dont know why the chop was started, but definitely cool.
Ted M
April 28th, 2010
1:11 pm
lefties are 1 for 12 against Garcia .083. and Heyward is hitting .182 against lefties.
rbraves fan
April 28th, 2010
1:20 pm
Why does our third baseman have more baseball sense than our coaches?
David O'Brien
April 28th, 2010
1:26 pm
Heyward saw 6.3 pitches per plate appearance Tuesday. Five other players in the majors faced more than 6.0 pitches per PA on Tuesday: John Baker (7.0), Carlos Ruiz (7.0), Gabe Gross (6.7) and Chris Coghlan (6.3). Just noticed that stat on Buster’s blog.
steve h
April 28th, 2010
1:32 pm
Bill Shanks’ article from FoxSportsSouth
http://www.foxsportssouth.com/04/28/10/Time-to-Gel-Not-Smell/landing.html?blockID=224763&feedID=4318
tell it like it is.
April 28th, 2010
1:32 pm
This team won’t win a 100 games this year without some help.How anybody can stomach watching them is beyound me.
Jesse Stone
April 28th, 2010
1:39 pm
I’d settle for 90 games
steve h
April 28th, 2010
1:41 pm
Well, at some point you have to think they’ll turn it around. Last night’s game was another infamous one-run loss but what it was NOT was error prone. Yeah, we left about 9 or 10 on and Heyward had a golden chance with bases loaded but things looked a lot better last night than Monday’s effort. Lowe pitched a heck of aa lot better than I thought he would and was sailing fine the first half. The Cards made two consecutive bad throws; one from CF (Rasmous sp) to pitcher, pitcher to home plate, both throwing the ball into the ground. So, at least what comes around goes around and there’s a lot going around in the NL right now. The Mets won’t be playing 500+ ball all year and the Phillies won’t be playing sub-.500 ball either. The Nats — well, who knows but two things we know about the Nats and that’s that they can swing it and they’ve always had our number. When they bring up Straussberg (sp), he’ll only be a threat once every five days.
Chin up Braves fans. This team is a lot better than we’re seeing and we’ve already seen that they can hit. The Braves (for as long as I can remember) have always been a second half team.
Bob
April 28th, 2010
1:45 pm
When is someone going to make Wren accountable for his bad moves and missed moves? Other than a couple of young pitchers, Heyward (a future star in 2 years probably) and an all-star catcher, the Braves are a team with less talent than 80% of the teams in National league. How the mighty have fallen.
Ow! My Oblique!
April 28th, 2010
1:49 pm
Don Baylor is the hitting coach with the Rockies. Why would he leave?
JUST SAYIN'
April 28th, 2010
1:50 pm
A week ago I asked if anyone had noticed that Heyward ALWAYS takes the first pitch? Well NL pitchers had noticed and strikes are all he has gotten on that first pitch.
Bobby Cox has also noticed it. Thank God. Maybe tonight Heyward will swing at that first pitch strike right down the middle.
And one other point:
Will the posters on here stop stomping on Jordon Schafer. The boy broke a bone in his hand last year and someday will be the Braves star player in CF. And it won’t be long, no longer than it takes him to get over the surgery on that wrist.
Jesse Stone
April 28th, 2010
1:52 pm
Just sayin’- I agree on your first point, but not sold on the last. Jordan had a breakout season in ‘08? Not sure if he can duplicate that.
The Real Don Steele
April 28th, 2010
1:52 pm
This team is as bad as any that the Braves have fielded since coming to Atlanta in 1966. As bad as any of the terrible teams of the 70’s & 80’s. There are too many automatic outs in the lineup. The reason Prado, McCann & Heyward aren’t hitting is simple: they aren’t being pitched to. Pitchers would rather pitch to Chipper (old, hurt, bat slowed down); Glaus (finished, old, slow) and McLouth (Looking completely lost;as bad as any bad hitter in A ball right now). When you’ve got hitters this bad, your couple of good hitters will not see pitches. It’s fundamental baseball.
Jesse Stone
April 28th, 2010
1:55 pm
Don- If you think this team is as bad as any we’ve had in Atlanta, you are mistaken. I mean, Zane Smith was once our ace.
The Truth
April 28th, 2010
1:58 pm
The whole team takes too many pitches. The Phillies fight off every pitch especially when they’re down in the count. The Braves watch every pitch and then complain about calls when we strike out looking.
ttough44
April 28th, 2010
1:59 pm
I live and die with the Braves, have been since 1966 when I was just in the first grade. My Goodness, the run production is so pathetic, can someone do something? Wren, Cox, Pendleton, if you are the hitting coach, FIX IT! And, who is the fielding coach, our defense has been sub-par. Come Cox, right this ship immediately or go ahead and jump off and let someone who will….remember A DEAD FISH STINKS FROM HEAD TO TAIL!
Phil
April 28th, 2010
2:00 pm
Countdown clock at 142. That’s how many games Cox has left and then the massive celebration can begin. No, not playoffs, but free from 20 years from that moronic buffoon.
papafoxx
April 28th, 2010
2:02 pm
You knew the old scouts would figure out how to pitch to Heyward now he and TP needs to figure out how to hit what’s thrown at him
northbeach Scott
April 28th, 2010
2:03 pm
Could Shank’s article be more devoid of content? What a fluff piece. The Braves really stink, right now. Not sure I understand how that could be after those dramatic come from behind wins, seven losses, ago.
Sure hope Schafer gets mended and does well in Gwinnett, because the Braves may have a firesale at the All Star break and may need him in CF. Freddie Freeman needs to get it together, as well, because Glaus will also be gone if he does not come around.
The Truth
April 28th, 2010
2:03 pm
Sadly, Cox is going out like Bobby Bowden. It’s obvious that his player’s coach methods have gotten to the point where his players just aren’t being coached at all.
JimK
April 28th, 2010
2:04 pm
Sure, blame the rookie. Before listening too carefully, Heyward should look over at Nate McLouth and consider his career arc since coming under the tutelage of Cox and Pendleton. More to the point, what have Andruw Jones, Jeff Francoeur, and Kelly Johnson learned elsewhere that they didn’t learn here about hitting? That trio has 16 homers, 32RBI and an average in the .280’s this season. Before Jason Heyward “learns” too much from the Braves’ council of elders, he should figure out what to do with their advice by watching that great Seinfeld episode, “The Opposite.”
DawgDad
April 28th, 2010
2:04 pm
“Make trades now for the future and let the stars of tomorrow get used to playing together like the 1990 team did before everything turned around.”
Essentially that’s what happened over the winter. Signed Glaus as a stop-gap for Freeman and traded Vasquez for a Class A pitcher and a replacement-level outfielder; did not sign a power-hitting outfielder for this year (Holliday, Bay, etc.). Half the team is young core, the other half one step out the door into retirement. Half of each half is doing absolutely nothing right now, and it’s becoming contagious.
I don’t have a problem with Heyward striking out too much. The pitch last night was set up to look like a breaking ball on the outside edge that would dive out of the strike zone and he took it; unfortunately it was a fastball with just a tad of movement away. Leave him in there to work out his problems. The REAL problems on the team are: McLouth, Cabrera, Jones, McCann, Glaus, Escobar, Diaz. A couple of these guys are clearly over the hill, a couple are clearly overrated, and a couple are just plain puzzling.
It’s always dangerous to RELY on a catcher to carry a big load. McCann can be a great hitter, but catcher’s are constantly dinged up and there are very few Yogi Berra’s, Johnny Bench, and Pudge Rodriguez types out there that consistently hold up over a full season. Normal McCann-type performance should be viewed as a bonus, not a building block. And, I disagree heatedly with some radio analysts characterizing McCann as a good defensive catcher; he’s one of the worst starting catchers in the league in that respect.
The Braves defense overall has been generally sub-par and troubling, with the occasional nice play in the outfield or from Escobar/Prado. For a team built around solid pitching this is indicative of a shortcoming in the GM’s roster-building. The lack of an offensive contributor in left field is beyond explanation at this point.
Glaus has shown signs of lighting into some pitches lately; he’s also shown signs of degrading to “track power”. If the brass believes he will strengthen as the season progresses I’d stay with him; otherwise, sayonara. Cabrera is replaceable with any AAA outfilder. McLouth is a mystery. Chipper’s problems were predictable. Most likely you need to ride with this roster until the end of May, then if you’re 6-10 below .500 or way back in the race you blow it up and bring in the kids. Problem is, nobody is going to take the dead weight except for Wagner and maybe Saito/Kawakami if they hold up. You might be able to send McLouth somewhere for a second-level prospect, but you might be better off betting on Nate to come back. Could trade Prado or Infante, but we’d have a hard time capturing full value for Escobar.
Phil
April 28th, 2010
2:07 pm
Truth,
I said the same thing last year here on these blogs, that Bobby Cox has turned into Bobby Bowden. And just like FSU, we let Cox stick around WAY too long, just like they did with Bowden. Both of them completely senile and clueless during a game.
Marc in FL
April 28th, 2010
2:10 pm
I hate to be the meat in a in a herd of wild animals… But Bobby is right. Heyward is taking too many pitches. Of course, so is McCann and Glaus.
papafoxx
April 28th, 2010
2:10 pm
For several years now the Braves Coaches, GM and ownership have been satisfied with losers so until we have all who want to win we are stuck with what we have.
Marc in FL
April 28th, 2010
2:12 pm
Yeah, you can’t build around a catcher. Wait, didn’t the Twins do that recently?
Pete
April 28th, 2010
2:13 pm
JUST SAYIN agree with you; not hard to notice JH takes a lot of 1 and 2nd pitches right down the middle. Not just with his bases loaded AB last night, but others as well. I bet he changes that approach soon, and I also bet the Braves will rip off a 10 out of 12 or 13 win streak sometime in May.
They are getting no breaks at all, and soon that will change in many ways, in my opinion.
DawgDad
April 28th, 2010
2:21 pm
“They are getting no breaks at all, and soon that will change in many ways, in my opinion.”
Pete, I keep watching and hoping, trying to be optimistic. But is has to be acknowledged they are shooting themselves in the foot far too frequently. Sit Escobar for lackluster play and what happens? Jones drops two can-of-corn popups. That does not bode well for team chemistry. As I’ve said before, at Chipper’s salary, as the team leader, and under those circumstances with Escobar being benched he should have been fined $1,000,000.
JMac12203
April 28th, 2010
2:27 pm
For the past 2 or 3 years I have been saying to anyone that will listen that Bobby was a good (not great) manager who mis-managed the Braves terribly in their glory years. There is no excuse in the Braves winning all those overrated division titles and winning only 1 world series. Now it is obvious that the time of Bobby Cox has come and has happily gone. He should have done the right thing and “retired” 5 years ago. The Braves are a poorly coached team with a few good young players. Their pitching staff has been terribly overrated, and they continue to be possibly the worst team in the league fundamentally. Their catcher couldn’t even throw out one of the slowest runners in the league (Molina), as he stole second, even after he started, stopped and then re-started. Your 2010 Atlanta Braves are nothing more than a mediocre team that is poorly managed and coached. Chipper and Lowe need to go NOW so rebuilding, youth movement can begin.
Kelly Leake
April 28th, 2010
2:33 pm
How dare Bobby say Heyward isn’t perfect!!
FUWren
April 28th, 2010
2:33 pm
No comments at all about Melky trying to catch that sinking liner with his freaking elbow? That play and Chipper’s non-double-play lost the game. Melky can’t play outfield and can’t hit. Why is he in the f@#i%ing lineup every single night?
The only constant so far has been pretty good pitching and consistently terrible defense. The hitting won’t be this bad all year, but how is the defense going to get better?
"S" Crowbar
April 28th, 2010
2:33 pm
I weally, weally, weally, do dink I need a bacation !!!!!!!!!
Pete
April 28th, 2010
2:41 pm
DAWG, agree completely. But just my opinion that shots to the foot will end as well, because soon no one will have any feet! Thats one of the “many ways” I was referring to. I happen to believe that Cox last year is having some impact….whether that means they try too hard or whatever, I dont know. But that is NO excuse, and Im not trying to suggest it is. They need to forget Cox last year, etc. and play baseball.
Donny Corleone
April 28th, 2010
2:43 pm
C’mon guys! Buck up little troopers! This team’s goin’ great! We’ll win it all this year!
Donny Corleone
April 28th, 2010
2:46 pm
I’m looking for them to score a hunnert tonight!
Mikey
April 28th, 2010
2:49 pm
Taking pitches early in the count and making the opposing pitcher work is precisly how every hitter in the Yankee organization is taught. The Braves problem is, they are not being aggressive when the count is in their favor ie. 2-1, 3-1 etc. They also have the strange habit of taking strike 3!!
nique
April 28th, 2010
2:49 pm
Don’t see what good it is for Cox to publicly criticize Heyward at this stage.
Castrologist
April 28th, 2010
2:52 pm
Sell the franchise…it’s all over…warm up the bus…these guys are no good..we’ll never be relevant again….blah…blah…blah. Can we get through April without the entire fan base thinking that the players and leadership are absolute buffoons? Give it some time. After all, how do they say it in baseball, we’re due. Then again, so are the Pirates. We could use a little of that 90s magic. Can Franky Cabrera play the outfield?
When will the Braves win again? How about it Kawakami? Can someone please throw a shutout? That seems to be the best option for us winning again.
castrologist.tumblr.com
ShortBravesFan
April 28th, 2010
2:53 pm
Okay Melky didn’t catch that ball, but actually got on base and scored!
Marc in FL
April 28th, 2010
2:53 pm
I think if you read it again you’ll see Cox isn’t bashing Heyward, he’s simply making an observation. You have to remember these comments stemmed from someone asking him why he thought Heyward was struggling, not because he just felt like pointing out Heyward’s shortcomings.
All you people that act like you understand Bobby so well, and then you act like he just out of nowhere started getting on Heyward’s back about taking a few too many pitches. When does Bobby ever just come out of nowhere and start chastising his players during slumps. This is not Ozzie or Lou we’re talking about here.
Kelly Leake
April 28th, 2010
2:56 pm
Mikey, when did you play in the Yankee organization?
ShortBravesFan
April 28th, 2010
2:59 pm
I agree Marc. Bobby loves his players and always sticks up for them.
BraveFalconHawk
April 28th, 2010
3:04 pm
Wow I actually said the samething about Heyward yesterday during the game. Swing away kid!!!
ATLiens
April 28th, 2010
3:05 pm
just breezed through the three pages of comments and damn. it amazes me that DOB continues to chug out these blogs when he just gets slammed for doing his job. the doomsday rhetoric and pseudo-sarcastic threats against BC and TP have gotten ridiculous. the fault for this start is not on one single person, manager, gm, etc. its a collective effort and responsibility should be dished out accordingly. keep up the work DOB, at the rate your words incite verbal anarchism maybe glenn beck will give you a call for a promotion
Mikey
April 28th, 2010
3:05 pm
I read the Yankee playbook on how to win World Series….seriously watch them play, they lead the league in total pitch count, walks and OB% yearly…and unfortunately in longest games!
Jac
April 28th, 2010
3:06 pm
Whats up with all the Cox haters or Fire Cox chant. He is only given us more success than we ever have had. If it wasn’t for him we would be still enjoying the losing seasons like we had in the 80’s. If memory serves correctly Braves always start slowly than rebounded very nicely.
Cox is the man in atlanta and knows what is best for the braves.
So all you cox haters go to Pittsburgh and watch a real group of misfits play baseball
Jac
April 28th, 2010
3:08 pm
HELL WITH THE YANKEES
Jesse Stone
April 28th, 2010
3:24 pm
Mikey…..or the key to Yankees success is a bottomless pit of funds.
bill
April 28th, 2010
3:24 pm
I AGREE GET RID OF BOBBY AND THE ENTIRE STAFF NOW. MORE THAN 1/2 TIMES CHIPPER SWINGS AT THE FIRST PITCH WITH MEN ON BASE HE GROUNDS OUT. LEAVE HEYWARD ALONG YOU OLD THINKING MANAGER!
Greg Norton
April 28th, 2010
3:28 pm
I’m available to be the new hitting coach!
Greg Norton
April 28th, 2010
3:31 pm
Enter your comments here
Rafael Belliard
April 28th, 2010
3:34 pm
I would be a better hitting coach than Norton!
The J-Hey Kid
April 28th, 2010
3:42 pm
The J-Hey Kid doesn’t see balls. He sees code. Heyward is the least of the Braves problems right now.
http://jasonheywardfacts.com
Jac
April 28th, 2010
3:42 pm
Bill is apparently fallen off his rocker. They obviously will not fire Cox which is just plain stupid and a ignorant thought.
Sorry Raf Norton has more HR so he gets the honors. I wonder if Aaron will come out of retirement to coach.
The Real Don Steele
April 28th, 2010
3:47 pm
Jesse Stone, not talking about pitching. Am talking about the position players. There is no there, there. Escobar made another base running blunder in Monday’s game. His head is not in the game. This team has to play flawless defense and run the bases with precision to have a chance at winning. So far, they’ve not been able to do it. I’m a real fan of McCann but he simply cannot throw anyone out at second. He’s not as bad as Mike Piazza was but he’s a very close second. Teams will steal at will against the Bravos.
steve
April 28th, 2010
3:51 pm
I understand why Jason is taking so many pitches as he has not faced these pitchers and so he is trying to get a better look at what pitches they throw and how much movement they have, I would like to see him start looking for a 1st pitch fastball and if he gets one then swing away, I have to wonder if our so called hitting coach has not got him screwed up also like Francouer and Johnson plus all the rest of the team because we just can”t hit the ball worth a crap and there has to be a reason for it. Bobby to late to make a move Cox should worry more about how he has mismanaged several games already instead of worrying about Heyward.
NO MORE BOBBY
April 28th, 2010
3:59 pm
corkylikesbeer – DOB, What did Chipper get for his birthday?
Hookers and Icy Hot for his aching joints.
papafoxx
April 28th, 2010
4:01 pm
Heyward is Young and will learn & improve which is more than be said about Chipper & other players on the team
Phil
April 28th, 2010
4:08 pm
Jac,
Cito Gaston took over for Bobby when he left Toronto and won 2 World Series with Bobby’s players. Just think what Torre or somebody like that would have done with Bobby’s players in the 90’s. We would have about 5 WS titles.
The Real Don Steele
April 28th, 2010
4:09 pm
Has anybody noticed that Adam LaRouche is having the best April of his career?
Marc in FL
April 28th, 2010
4:15 pm
Laroche is having a nice start to the year, good for him. His away splits are too few to judge, but he is looking good all around so far.
As for Kelly Johnson, go to Baseballreference.com and check out his home and away splits. It’s veryus. obvious he’s booming in that sandbox of a park over there. His away splits are worse than when we was with
Marc in FL
April 28th, 2010
4:16 pm
“us.”… Weird type glitch there.
Phil
April 28th, 2010
4:18 pm
LaRoche is just like Kelly Johnson and Francouer, once he got that TP & Cox disease out of his system, he’s doing much better.
Jesse Stone
April 28th, 2010
4:26 pm
MORE FALSEHOODS FROM PHIL. Jimy Williams took over for Bobby Cox. How did he do in Toronto. Bobby had no Jack Morris, no Roberto Alomar, no Joe Carter, etc. Try again, Phil.
Kentavo
April 28th, 2010
4:26 pm
I’m all for letting the kids play; Having Chipper and Glaus kick the ball around the infield is maddening.
Does anybody in the entire organization have speed?
Cut bait with Glaus and call up Freeman already. Just do something Wren, becuase this wretched collection of has-beens and never-was is going nowhere fast. At least switch Glaus and Hinske’s roles – that’d help. At least Hinkse can field and make consistent contact.
Since we can’t hit anyway, I’d like to see Booby try a defense-minded lineup: Put the best defensive players on the field and see what happens:
C, Ross
1B, Hinkse
2B, Conrad
SS, Esco
3B, Prado
LF, Melky
CF, McClouth
RF, Heyward
(That’s not the batting order, just around-the-diamond order).
I know it benches two of our best hitters (Chip and Mac), but if this lineup is paired with Hanson or Hudson, we might could squeak out a 1-run game.
Jesse Stone
April 28th, 2010
4:28 pm
The ONLY player from the WS Blue Jays that Bobby managed that I can remember is Kelly Gruber.
The Real Don Steele
April 28th, 2010
4:29 pm
It obvious now why the Yankees didn’t re-sign Cabrera. He is one of those players that has slowed right before your eyes. It looks as though he has put on a lot of weight since last season but whether or not that’s true, the fact that he has slowed considerably cannot be denied. He’s not anywhere near the player he was last year in NYC.
SC Smith
April 28th, 2010
4:29 pm
We mostly stunk thru the late 60’s, 70’s, & 80’s. But with hitters like Aaron, Carty Cepeda, Alou, Torre, G.Matthews, Murphy, Chambliss, Horner, Baker, Burroughs, Evans ect… We were at least fun to watch. Too bad Niekro couldn’t pitch everyday, they would have won 5 Championships.
Kentavo
April 28th, 2010
4:32 pm
Hey Moron, the Yankees didn’t “re-sign” Melky because his contract was not up. They traded him. Big difference.
Jesse Stone
April 28th, 2010
4:33 pm
This is the true Melky. Not surrounded by an all star team and not playing his home games in Williamsport.
Marc in FL
April 28th, 2010
4:38 pm
There are several “realistic” trade possibilities in the next month or so. At this point though I’m thinking the best would be Schafer and Viszciano (sp?), and if need be a second rate throw-in prospect to the Indians for Grady Sizemore. He has a reasonable contract and isn’t so elite that he’ll demand 20mil a year once he hits the FA market. He is someone would could realistically sign long-term.
Yes, his offense is off to a slow start, but that’s why I think he might have a shot, well that and the Indians don’t expect to go anywhere this year or the next for that matter. He may be the best defensive CF in baseball right now.
McLouth would have to move to LF, which could be a huge improvement over what we have now if he could adapt.
Just an idea.
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