1:47 pm April 27, 2010, by David O'Brien
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April 27th, 20107:11 pm
8 of 9 batters hitting .255 or less. Some… way less. When is the last time a starting line up in late April could say that, I wonder?
If Lowe really got back into his old form of yesteryear, the Braves might be able to trade him.
April 27th, 20107:12 pm
b12 joneal, I hope you typed that from your Blackberry while running from a housefire.
Wayne in Utah
Again, why would the Rangers give up Cruz for Lowe and his salary?
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have Cruz, but it would take Lowe and Medlen to get him. Lowe alone will not do it.
I believe Lowe will shut the Cards out tonight.
April 27th, 20107:14 pm
How long can Melky, McClouth, Escobar, Glaus, etc. continue as is?
If any NL team has the pitching staff to go on an extended run it is the Braves. Give it some time, but don’t be satisfied with lack of hustle or playing herd.
Good point, but I still think you’d have to send over a truck load of cash in that deal. Plus, if Lowe is dealing, why would you want to trade him?
April 27th, 20107:16 pm
I already called it: Braves win 9-7. Lowe gets the win and goes 4-1 with an ERA over 5!
April 27th, 20107:18 pm
Gotta run…….I’ll try to check back in after the game tonight. Gonna be watching the Thunder and the Lakers later on. Go Thunder!
April 27th, 20107:19 pm
I am stupefied by the anti-Chipper sentiment that sweeps through this blog the last couple years like a prevailing wind of near-sightedness. Some people have a kind of visceral reaction to his errors, injuries or his slower bat speed. He’s past his prime, folks. But he is one season removed from a batting title and before last night was hitting .380 for the week.
When Chipper Jones’ days as a Brave are officially over, you naysayers will be singing a different tune as we painstakingly develop some new bright-eyed prospect at 3rd or rent some guy like a David Wright in the winter of his career–when Chipper’s presence is no longer felt in that line-up, and a mortal baseball player who will never be mentioned in the same breath as Hall of Fame is standing in his stead, you’ll be eating crow.
Chipper Jones, deficiencies and all, is still wholly respected for his ability at the plate. Have you noticed how carefully thet still pitch him? Have you noticed they don’t offer him much near the heart of the plate? Have you noticed his number of walks–with Brian McCann in the on deck circle? How is this lost on so many die hard fans?
Ask 100 pitchers in the league who they’d rather see up in the bottom of the 9th with a man on 2nd: Omar Infante or Chipper Jones. Go ahead, plug in Omar, who is no slouch with the bat or glove, for a half season and see how opposing teams’ pitchers approach the Braves line-up. They used to say that how GM goes, so goes the country.
Until guys like Heyward and Freeman truly arrive as premiere players, the fact of the matter is: how Chipper goes, so go the Braves.
The guy deserves at least as much respect from his fans as he garners from pitchers. But apparently he won’t get it from some until he’s gone, and the reality of the post Chipper era sets in.
Tonight’s a fresh game. Braves gotta put the last 6 games behind them, take their hacks, and see who’s on top after 9 innings.
April 27th, 20107:20 pm
Wayne – If Lowe is dealing you get something for him while the getting is good.
April 27th, 20107:22 pm
Wayne in Utah
April 27th, 2010
“Again, why would the Rangers give up Cruz for Lowe and his salary?
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have Cruz, but it would take Lowe and Medlen to get him. Lowe alone will not do it.”
Yeah agreed that’s the luxury of having too much good pitching 30 other teams can’t claim that…
Plus on another matter we better try to get Double J locked up now, otherwise he leaves in a few years….
April 27th, 20107:25 pm
Has Cox tried Omar Infante in the OF leading off this year? To me, playing McLouth and Cabrera at the same time is a mistake. Especially with both guys struggling. I think Infante might really get it going if he played everyday. He was great last year before he got hurt. Maybe even rotate Infante into the infield at second and let Prado play first or third to give Larry and Troy some days off. My first reaction when I heard LaRoche would not be the bridge to Freeman was to let Prado play first for a year, let Infante play second, and then get a guy like Hinske as a back up for Prado if he had to leave first because of some injury to someone in the infield. Come on Bobby, we gotta do something to shake it up!
April 27th, 20107:29 pm
Let’s re-trade Melky for Vasquez and let Diaz play full time.
I’d rather have Infante Leading off and playing LF than the Melk-Dud
I like Infante and MP at the top of the order in the 1-2 sluts
April 27th, 20107:30 pm
La Russa is batting his pitcher (Carpenter) eighth today and Brendan Ryan ninth, first time he’s hit the pitcher eighth since July. His logic is that Ryan is struggling and he wants to see if he’ll get some better pitches to hit not being in front of the pitcher in the order.
April 27th, 20107:31 pm
Chipper is getting kind long in the tooth. He makes a lot of errors and has the fielding range of a flag pole, he doesn’t hit as good as he used to and it seems like he strains or pulls something every other time he breaks wind.
But! He is still a pretty good third baseman, a good hitter, and a team player that cares about winning first and foremost.
He is still a Star of MLB and a marquee player for the Braves.
I think we should let him play out the rest of his career as a player, and cut him him some slack. But that’s just my opinion.
April 27th, 20107:32 pm
Imagine what Diaz’ numbers would look like with 450-500 at bats.
Heard Frank Wren on 680 the Fan telling everyone Troy Glaus is just hitting in bad luck and a lot of his outs are “hit hard right at someone” He didn’t explain all the strikeouts, however. And those suck-up radio guys Chuck Dowdle (sp?) and Beau something (the ex-UGA quarterback) feeding him softball questions and agreeing with everything he said.
Hope your not getting that way DOB! Break a news story every now and then,a d don’t spend so much time on this blog. It’s getting boring. Sorry, that just how I feel.
The Braves problems started with Frank Wrenn.
April 27th, 20107:33 pm
The Braves are already DONE!!!! John Smoltz said “you can’t win the division in April, but you can lose it in April”, also this goes to show the arrogance of this organization to think that Bobby Cox could change a washed up Troy Glaus and get a career year out of Melkey Cabrera and to get Chipper to play hurt was too much even for him to do. He has worked miracles (John Burkett, Jared Wright, Charles Thomas…. ect) But if you have garbage talent, then you get a garbage team. And this sucks because I love this team so much but I gotta call them like I see them.
gobravos — Yup, Infante hit leadoff in Saturday’s game against the Mets. 0-for-5 with 2 Ks, though I mention that just to let you know how he did rather than saying that’s how he would do every time up there. While I’d rather have him in there than both Melky and McLouth, his OF defense isn’t all that great.
April 27th, 20107:35 pm
Braves aren’t DONE yet!
April 27th, 20107:36 pm
The Cards are batting ther pitcher 8th tonight,we should bat ours 1st!
Brian from SC
Sometimes I wonder about the sanity of folks here. Under what circumstances would anyone imagine that the Rangers would trade Cruz to us for anyone? He’s their best hitter, he’s young, and he’s making peanuts.
Think about this: Would you entertain the Cubs if they wanted to trade Alfonso Soriano to us for Tommy Hanson? That’s how ridiculous a trade for Cruz involving Derek Lowe sounds to the Rangers. I don’t think some people understand how trades work.
April 27th, 20107:37 pm
Let me clarify my Chipper thoughts. Do I long to see a healthy Chipper in the lineup? Of course I do! Do I think that a healthy Chipper, even at his current age, is capable of putting up numbers that can help propel a team to wins! Yes! Yes, I do!
A gimpy Chipper as he currently exists, is not as productive as a healthy Infante. Has nothing to do with what Chipper is capable of when healthy. Chipper is not healthy, so he isn’t capable of producing like a healthy Chipper.
Now for all of you folks that think that the Braves are better off with only Chipper’s hat sitting on third base and that’s better than a healthy bench player…. you’re freakin nuts! You still believe in Santa! You’re longing for the days of your youth when heros were real! Chipper couldn’t walk on water last time I checked. End of story!
Since the Braves have so many hitters who are struggling, I wonder if Bobby has considered doing what the Cardinals coach did?
Make our pitcher hit higher up (6th or 7th), and then maybe Glaus and McLouth will get better pitches to hit.
I’m a lil disappointed that you said that, especially since you’re a blog veteran
I’m trying to keep my head up in that knowing that the 1992 braves squad were in last place until late may even though that was a different division
Not to mention we are only 3 games out but my focus is on the WC. We showed that we are not fundamentally sound enough to try to chase the phillies. Win the WC and go from there
Wagner hasn’t pitched in a week, since the April 20 series opener against Philly. I asked him if it’s difficult to stay sharp going that long between appearances: “”Oh, hell yeah. It’ll be no fun when I come in the game, and I’m sure it won’t be any room for error. It should be about a one-run game with Pujols coming up. So that’ll be fun.”
The Braves have been done for 3 years,dump chipper now!
April 27th, 20107:38 pm
Who is Mr. Bobby trying at the Leadoff spot tonight?
Where is Charles Thomas AKA Chuckie?
Wagner should pitch tonight regardless of how the game goes.
April 27th, 20107:39 pm
Brian from SC, a lot of them are drunk by now. You know they are because they’re forgetting that we’ve all readthe same BS trade scenarios 50,000 times by these people and anyone sober or sane knows it ain’t happening. Just scan over it.
Charles Thomas hasn’t been in pro baseball for the last two years.
April 27th, 20107:42 pm
Hell No, Soriano got that contract by having a “Contract year” he has been overpaid Garbage since he got that fat contract, not to mention he doesn’t steal basis anymore
Fact of the matter is Nellie Cruz would be a cheaper option than dumping the Farm for a rental as the case in trading for Adrian Gonzalez…
Break a news story every now and then,a d don’t spend so much time on this blog. It’s getting boring. Sorry, that just how I feel. — Playoffs!?!?
Thank you for that contribution. And no need to apologize for your feelings.
This just in: The Braves are … uh, well … they’ve lost six in a row and not made any significant personnel moves, like most teams in the third week of the season.
April 27th, 20107:43 pm
My bad, Brian from SC
That last post was in response to your 7:36 post….
April 27th, 20107:44 pm
I still think it’s time to try Chip Carey in the leadoff spot. Come on Mr. Bobby, you ain’t tried that yet.
I’m a fan of 1. Infante 2. Prado too. I think it can work. Infante is a gamer man. Guy plays real hard, which I don’t see from some guys on our team. If you have guys like him and Prado starting things off it will provide good momentum for the others. You gotta throw to Chipper or Mac when guys are on base in front of them. I think both of them are pressing right now and and swinging at some bad pitches because thats all their seeing. John Smoltz said that Mazzone used to tell him to get around a team’s best hitter by getting all the other guys out. That philosophy is working against the Braves right now. No one is going to throw anything that can be hit well to Chipper, Mac, or even Heyward when they know there are at least 5 or 6 other outs around them in the Braves lineup. It seems like Chipper is swinging at a lot of pitches he would normally lay off because he knows he’s got to do something to get the team going. Same thing goes for Mac.
Tomahawkin…I still don’t think you understand that the Rangers would not entertain trading Nelson Cruz to the Braves or anyone for that matter, unless they got some stupid proposal, like straight up for Hanson or Heyward.
April 27th, 20107:45 pm
While I agree with Smoltz that you can lose the pennant in April, I disagree that the Brave already have. They’re only 3 GAMES OUT! Now if Philly had dropped a 17-2 to start the season and we were 9 games out, then it might be a more daunting task to dig out of the hole. But at 3 games out with a ton of games left to play against EVERYONE in the division, this thing could turn around within the span of a week. Not saying it will, but it’s not that much of a stretch. I would argue that given the way everyone is playing in the East, April almost the perfect time to go through these struggles. As the weather warms up, this patient Braves hitting approach is bound to start wearing down some pitchers. And some breaks are bound to go their way. Just like when the Suns fell behind last night while Portland hit every shot in the first quarter, you knew that shooting couldn’t continue. And when Portland started missing, the Suns caught up. Some of those line drives with men on base are going to fall. Soon…. I hope….
April 27th, 20107:46 pm
I don’t think I like Billy Wagner’s attitude, unless I am misinterpreting his comments.
April 27th, 20107:47 pm
J-MAN, finally, some good baseball talk. Your 7:33 made my day. Just when I thought everything was doom and gloom you hit us with that positive comment. Again, thank you so much.
April 27th, 20107:48 pm
i think billy was being slightly sarcastic
Stewart Smally, you’ve changed. What happened, you seem so bitter?
The only player on the Rangers’ roster I can see them making available if they tank is Vladimir Guerrero.
Hahaha, Welcome to the Braves Billy Wagner.
April 27th, 20107:49 pm
Brian From SC
I have proposed trading for Nellie Cruz for the last 3 years, especially since I saw a lot of Rangers Games when I lived out in that area…
I think there is no way we trade for another rental like Gonzalez, not to mention that if we make that trade we have no shot a resigning him..
Its moot though since it’s so early in the season…
April 27th, 20107:50 pm
OK, I went in my closet and pulled out my old Braves slippers. I used to wear them to watch games when I was stationed in Korea in 1995. Of course, I didn’t get to see every game, but the Braves won every game I watched while wearing them and lost when I didn’t. Putting those suckers on right now!
BTW, we all know how 1995 turned out and, yeah, I’m getting desperate for a win.
April 27th, 20107:51 pm
well, if he was being sarcastic when he said, “That will be fun”, that is what irks me but if it was the beginning remarks he was being sarcastic about, then I understand.
So, should we officially name our cursed leadoff spot? Like the Curse of Furcal. Pretty lame, but I’d love to hear some other name ideas from others.
April 27th, 2010
“I’m a fan of 1. Infante 2. Prado too. I think it can work. Infante is a gamer man. Guy plays real hard, which I don’t see from some guys on our team. If you have guys like him and Prado starting things off it will provide good momentum for the others.”
I say we start more hit and runs. I’m tired of the Earl Weaver Station-2-Station Crap. All it does is result in DP’s….
April 27th, 20107:52 pm
Wasn’t it last April that kept the Braves out of the playoffs?
Brava, did you disinfect those slippers before you put them on?
April 27th, 20107:53 pm
Brava you get those damn slippers on now. You can take them off in November.
The Braves are still getting some of the best pitching in the league on a nightly basis, including six strong innings last night from Tim Hudson
Until a non-starting pitcher let an inherited runner score to tie the game and another non-starting pitcher gave up the go-ahead run. And even one of the runs that Hudson did personally give up was un-earned. Have we had an error-free game this year???
And Lowe’s ERA isn’t among the best pitching in the league.
I agree our offense does come up short in the clutch but our defense has really stunk it up. Looked like bad news bears in Braves unis in more than one game. Sometimes I think that if our offense scored 7 runs a game that somehow our defense would give up 4 and our bullpen would give up another 4 on the nights our starters didn’t do it first.
Not too sure about this team. It’s like a few of them gave up and just stopped caring after the Phils beat them in the second game of the series.
“Wasn’t it last April that kept the Braves out of the playoffs” Gametime
Curse of “First!”…ok that was bad too
Have you ever heard of playing possum? Well, that is exactly what the Braves are doing. They are letting Philly and the rest of the East build up confidenece, and then about the time of the All-Star break, –BAMM!– They will start kicking a$$ and taking names, and WIN the Eastern Div.
Mark my words, you heard it here first, you just wait and see.
April 27th, 20107:54 pm
Mets up 2-0 after winning the first one 4-0.
April 27th, 20107:55 pm
Jimmy Joe, the Mets are 11-9, and the Braves are 8-11.
“April 27th, 2010
Wasn’t it last April that kept the Braves out of the playoffs?”
Yep, getting shutout in games to the AAA Nats and Pirates last year killed us!
April 27th, 20107:56 pm
They still have enough remnants of spilled beer to be safe for wear!
April 27th, 20107:57 pm
Don’t worry, if they work tonight, I’m going to have them permanently grafted onto my feet.
No last April didn’t keep us out of the playoffs. It was losing to crapola teams in August and September and ending the season on a losing streak that sealed out fate. We won the season series against the Phillies last year and we actually outscored them in the season series by over 20 runs. We couldn’t beat the Pads and Nats or the Reds but we could beat up on the World Champion Phils on any given night last year if you take the season series as a whole.
April 27th, 20107:59 pm
April 27th, 2010
Stewart Smally, you’ve changed. What happened, you seem so bitter?
Bat, I got some bad roast beef and it pizzed me off!
April 27th, 20108:00 pm
Tomahawkin my man. Look there are a lot of differences between the 1992 and the 2010 Atlanta Braves. #1. The year before the Braves went to the World Series. This team had a team that lost 5 in a row and to the Nationals. The 1992 team had hitting Justice, Gant, Pendelton, the hitter not the hitting coach. They had defense Lemke, Blauser, Nixon, Gant, Justice, D. Barryhill/ Greg Olsen. And Smoltz, Glavine, and Avery. This Team has Jason Heyward, B Mac, Tommie Hanson Moylan and Hudson. They don’t have the talent and they have to play against tougher competention, The Phillies the 2 time defending National League champs are in our division. In 1992 our biggest competitor was in another division, the Pirates. So when I say the Braves are DONE I have evidence to back it up.
Don’t be silly. It wasn’t losses in April or September that kept us out of the playoffs. All losses are equal, except those against teams that finished ahead of us. Those cost us two games each.
Now back to the Stewart I’m supposed to be….
Lowe is pitching tonight.. time for a group hug!
That’s 12-9 Frenchy and 8-11 McClouth/Melky/Diaz
I called Season Over when we got swept by the AAA Reds as a result of scoring 6 runs in the series…My old roommate who is a Rays Fan got a kick out of me throwing the remote at the TV three days in a row
Luv 2 Hate Me
Man Chipper looks broke down when it comes to defense. The plays he’s use to turning don’t come easy anymore. I don’t know if it’s the hitting coach or the players, but it’s been the same story for the past few years. The offense just can’t get it together. They do great in spring training but regular season come around and they forget how to play baseball.
April 27th, 20108:01 pm
Also games in April count the same as they do in September.
How about a 2 homer game for Jason Heyward to get the Braves over this losing streak!?
Mr. Turnip-Green Jeans
April 27th, 20108:02 pm
Thanks for the Meier info DOB. Great!
April 27th, 20108:03 pm
N8…always been a big fan of some of your posts and i know i may be a little late on this, but I love your chipper vs dale murphy argument at 2:59. Very well played sir.
BamaDude @ CowCollege AL
positive mind vibe here (me) …PLAY BALL …shape up Bravos !!
9on the blog
April 27th, 20108:04 pm
Its cool bro, just baffled that you are giving up so early…We have the WC now as opposed to 1992 and that’s what I’m shooting for, because we have proved form the second half of last year to the first series that we can’t hang with the Phils…
Our pitching can hang with Philly but they are more superior on offense, defense and overall on the fundamentals of the game
April 27th, 20108:07 pm
Damn, We are going against Big Carp Tonight on a cool night, Not Good! No heavy hitting tonight
Gonna have to come correct with the smallball and make Big Carp work
I rarely comment on this blog, but I want to echo what Ray K said above. This bashing of Chipper is absurd. He is a hall of famer and deserves at least some respect. In addition, he has given the Braves significant home town discounts in his contracts, something very few players do these days.
My sense is that not one of the people who so regularly bash him on this blog would ever have the courage to make any of those comments to his face.
the real Andy
April 27th, 20108:08 pm
well, at least we’re not the Pirates – 7 game losing streak, by a combined score of 72-12.
April 27th, 20108:10 pm
DOB- How about a story on who the Braves are considering as Bobby Cox’s replacement. Too early for that? I’m sure they’ve started looking around. It’s been maybe7-8 months since they announced it’s Bobby’s last year. I’m sure nobody inside the organization will go on the record. However, somebody somewhere must have been talked to.
How about more on the Chipper-Jordan flap. What is really the deal with all Chipper’s injuries.? Remember when Smoltz called out Chipper a couple years ago. What’s his training routine?
Here’s another one: John Hart (former Indians GM) On MLB-TV said “don’t be surprised if Bobby Cox is not retiring–that he’s managing a team other than the Braves next year. What?! That’s begs all sorts of questions. Does Bobby really want to manage some more? Why not the Braves? Did he get pushed out the door a little bit. What really is his relationship with Wren? That’s what I’d like to read about. And thanks for allowing me the input.
What’s with the 8:15 starting time? Games should always start at a time that ends with :05 or :35.
Yeah, The Pirates got the Brakes beat off them by the Brew crew, I think most Pirates Fans have their Steelers Jerseys on Already…
That makes me not even Panic about us being in last and only 3 games out….
April 27th, 20108:12 pm
Games should always start at a time that ends with :05 or :35.
Tell that to the Blue Jays. They start games at 7:07
Ted Williams Frozen Head
April 27th, 20108:13 pm
Plug me into the 3 hole, I can hit as well as most of the guys you got in the lineup!
1. Yes, it’s too early to worry about that. The time for starting to be concerned about that is the day after the season ends.
2. The Jordan/Chipper story has already been blown to about ten times what it should be. Enough of that.
3. Yeah, Daniels is a real authority on the Braves organization and Bobby Cox…
April 27th, 20108:14 pm
>>>I think most Pirates Fans have their Steelers Jerseys on Already…
but probably not their Big Ben jerseys
April 27th, 20108:15 pm
let’s go Yunel
Sorry, I mean Hart, not Daniels. Got the Rangers front office guys mixed up.
Dan Kolb's Mom
Lets Go Get Em Braves
April 27th, 20108:16 pm
Hacking, What Gives, Make Big Carp WORK!
April 27th, 20108:18 pm
In the interest of accuracy, let me just add some observations to DOB’s praise of Glaus. Yes he was 3 for 29 before last night. One of the 3 was the pop fly to CF that Pagan lost in the sun on Saturday in NY. After loafing to first, Glaus barely made it to second (chug, chug).
One of his 2 hits last night was a seeing-eye, 20-bouncer up the middle that would have been a patented Glaus 6-4-3 had it been hit 20 feet to the left. Let’s see some actual power before we start proclaiming him an actual # 5 hitter.
April 27th, 20108:20 pm
Whats Up with B-Macc? He looks lost at the plate
I think that J Schafer could hit .204 so call him up. He will be hitting 80 points higher than Melkey, McClouth, and Glaus.
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