For skidding Braves, might be time for The Speech

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.Theodore Roosevelt

St. Louis — So this wasn’t exactly what Teddy Roosevelt had in mind when he made the famous speech 100 years ago that the above quote comes from. Nevertheless, if I’m a coach or manager, you better believe I’d have that quote ready to use, just once, when my team most needed to hear it.

Wait a second, did Teddy Roosevelt bear a resemblance to a certain manager?

Wait a second. If you look past the moustache and monocle, did Teddy Roosevelt bear a resemblance to a certain manager?

Like, for instance, the Braves today.

It’s early, and their current six-game skid could be forgotten soon if the Braves put together a good run. Those who say they’re not capable of that, well, did you think the Braves were capable of the 15-2 tear they went on last September?

No, no. I’m not expecting anything resembling that torrid 17-game stretch, back when the Braves had Adam LaRoche’s bat blazing and most of their other lineup regulars (except Chipper) doing exactly what the team hoped.

They’ve got only Martin Prado meeting or exceeding expectations right now (although rookie Jason Heyward has already shown how quickly he can go from chilled to en fuego).

What I am suggesting is the Braves are not nearly as bad an offensive team as we’ve seen for most of this first month. They can’t possibly be. They aren’t. You know it, I know it. (Right?)

The more this skid drags out, however, you start to wonder when doubt will start to creep into some of their minds, if it hasn’t already. That’s the enemy — starting to believe what you’re hearing and then playing as if you’re trying to avoid losing, rather than being aggressive and always playing to win.

(Man, I really sounded like some kind of polyester-shorts-wearing high-school coach there, didn’t I? Must be from getting a decent night of sleep. I gotta stop that. Not going to get all rah-rah about anything other than the break-my-heart Jayhawks. But I do love any excuse for revisiting a good Presidential speech.)

So anyway, ask not what Troy Glaus can do for the Braves, but what the Braves can do for….

♣ Did someone say Glaus? I think most of us can agree he’s been a disappointment so far, but let’s at least acknowledge that he’s hitting some balls hard lately. It’s not just Coxian spin to say he’s hit into some tough luck lately. He really has.

That’s not to downplay how bad he’s been with runners in scoring position and particularly with the bases loaded. It’s just to say, we shouldn’t be shocked if he starts putting up better numbers, because the guy’s hitting some balls hard and it shouldn’t be shocking if some start to fall.

Anyway, that’s my transition into Glaus’ two-hit night in Monday’s 4-3 recede-from-ahead (inverse of come-from-behind) Braves loss.

And this startling statistic: Glaus has a .567 career average and 1.375 OPS in 10 games against the Cardinals, including 17-for-27 (.630) with a homer, five RBI, seven walks and a .722 OBP during a current nine-game hitting streak against the team he played for during the 2008-2009 seasons.

Who knew? (about the numbers against the Cards, not that he played for them.)

Granted, before last night he hadn’t faced them since 2005, back when he was still a feared power hitter (he hit 37 homers for Arizona that season).

Still, it’s a pretty impressive stat, and worth noting because Glaus was 3-for-29 over 10 games before hitting singles in the second and third innings last night.

Maybe a four-game series at Busch Stadium can help him get in a groove. He certainly hears fewer boos here than he hears at Turner Field. (At Busch, they rarely boo any who is or was one of their own, though J.D. Drew was a big exception, booed mercilessly when he returned here with the Braves in 2004.)

That’s something else Braves fans at Turner Field might want to keep in mind. I can understand displeasure over Glaus, whose .210 average this season includes .133 (4-for-30) with two RBI, four walks and 12 strikeouts in nine home games.

Braves signed Glaus to be a significant part of lineup.

Braves signed Glaus expecting him to be a significant part of lineup.

But you gotta wonder if booing him might be counterproductive in this case, if he might be one of those guys who’s adversely affected by that chorus of boos from the home crowd. I say this because, well, he’s actually put up respectable numbers on the road this season: .281 (9-for-32) with a homer, seven RBI and a .361 OBP and .406 slugging percentage.

He has a .767 OPS on the road and a scant .468 OPS at home. It’s such a small sample that it can still be greatly affected by just a couple of multi-hit games, but it might be worth keeping an eye on as we move forward.

Or, boo him. Boo me. Boo the Tomahawk Team members. (No, don’t boo them. How could anyone boo them? Some nights in recent seasons, they’ve been the best and most consistent thing about Turner Field. Strong.)

♣ Breaking down the breakdown: The Braves are still getting some of the best pitching in the league on a nightly basis, including six strong innings last night from Tim Hudson.

Their offense, however, has been dreadful. Last night was one of the few nights in the past couple of weeks when the Braves got some key hits early, hits with runners in scoring position, not to mention contributions from the likes of Glaus and Nate McLouth in the same game.

Still, the numbers stacked up tell the story: The Braves have hit .229 with nine runs and no home runs during their six-game losing streak, a skid that matches the six-gamer they had to end the 2009 season.

In the past nine games, they’ve hit .211, scored 17 runs, and gone homerless in all but one game. They have a 2-7 record in that stretch despite allowing three runs or fewer in five games, and four runs in two others.

Going back to last September, the Braves hit .289 with a 2.98 ERA during a 15-2 surge through Sept. 28, which brought them to within two games of the wild-card lead with six games left in the season.

Since then, the Braves are 8-17 with a .232 batting average and 90 runs in 25 games, 3.6 runs per. In 13 of those 25 games, they scored three runs or fewer.

They have an 8-17 record despite a 3.74 ERA in that 25-game stretch. Yikes.

On the road this season, the Braves split their first two game at San Francisco and are 2-6 since then. They’ve hit .218 and scored three runs or fewer six times during that eight-game road stretch.

♣ Adrian Gonzalez, huh? A show of hands from those who are seriously advocating that the Braves do  whatever it takes to trade for the Padres’ slugging first baseman as soon as possible. Keep ‘em up, we’re taking down names.

adriangonzalez

Would A-Gonz be one-and-gone?

Just as a reminder, Gonzalez is in the same position as Mark Teixeira when the Braves traded a package of five prospects (including Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus and Jarrod Saltalamacchia) to the Rangers for Teixeira a few years ago.

Gonzalez is a season-and-half away from free agency, like Tex was. And he’s expected to get a contract well in excess of $20 mill per season, like Tex did.

Actually, given the extension Ryan Howard got yesterday (five years, $25 million), it’s probably safe to say that Gonzalez will get closer to $25 million per season than $20 million. He’s younger and better defensively than Howard.

So anyway, after seeing the Braves trade a package of prospects for Teixeira and then trading him away a year later because they were falling from playoff contention and knew they couldn’t afford to re-sign him as a free agent, there are a lot of Braves fans now who’d advocate a possible repeat with Gonzalez?

Nevermind the amount of young talent the Braves would have to part with to get Gonzalez, if the first-place Padres are willing to deal him this season. How ’bout the payroll ramifications for the Braves if they tried to re-sign him?

The Braves, unless Chipper Jones retire and/or Derek Lowe is traded, will owe those two nearly $30 mill in 2012. Brian McCann’s salary will be another $8.5 mill.

So how could the Braves add another $25 mill or so to their payroll? That’d be about $64 million for four players, for a team that’s paying its entire 25-man roster only about $84 million (straight salaries, not incentives and other stuff Braves accountants are including in payroll figures).

That’s not even including what it would take to keep Jair Jurrjens, who’ll be arb-eligible. Or to possibly sign Jason Heyward to a long-term deal by then.

And did we mention, the Padres are the team that’s 11-8 and in first place in their division, and the Braves are 8-11 and in last place in theirs? OK, just checking.

♣ Wrapping it up: Let’s close with a tune from the greatTom Russell, who’s playing Eddie’s Attic in Atlanta on June 15. Here’s a link to this song.

TomRussell

“ASH WEDNESDAY” by Tom Russell

There once was a man who thought love was warm

Hey Stop me if you’ve heard this story before

He’s got a purple heart who’s keeping score

There’s a lot of purple hearts in the purple heart store

he was a commandant now he’s a penitent

On Ash Wednesday

There once was a woman a pretty young thing

She sold her soul for a diamond ring

She heard about love in a magazine

Saw it every friday night on a movie screen

She was a debutante now she’s a penitent

On Ash Wednesday

They were love sick love tied

They strayed a little close to the edge of the fire

And their hands got burned their eyebrows singed

They’re walking down the street to self oblivion

They got holes in their pockets holes in their minds

They are holy people in an unholy time

Heading for the church at the end of the line

Ash Wednesday

See them hanging out in every lonely place

They’ll tell you now love can’t hurt them now

But they’ve got ashes on their face

See them hanging out in every lonely place

They’ll tell you now love can’t hurt them now

But they’ve got ashes on their face

We were love sick we were love tied

We strayed a little close to the edge of the fire

And our hands got burned and our eyebrows singed

We’re walking down the street to self oblivion

We got holes in our pockets holes in our minds

We are holy people in an unholy time

Heading for the church at the end of the line

Ash Wednesday

Yeah Ash Wednesday

2,256 comments Add your comment

Butchershop

April 27th, 2010
1:51 pm

Leo Mazzone as Teddy

Fischerking04

April 27th, 2010
1:54 pm

Oh no. We’ve gotten to the point of quoting Roosavelt speeches for motivation. This IS bad.

Gonna get swept (again)

April 27th, 2010
1:55 pm

Enough talk, that’s the problem right now.

ncscoots

April 27th, 2010
1:57 pm

Oh no. We’ve gotten to the point of quoting Roosavelt speeches for motivation. This IS bad.

I dunno, the “fail while daring greatly” speech is always worth a reference, if only for damn fine writing, LOL. I think we sometimes forget that DOB has read a little more than just Elmore Leonard. :-)

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
1:58 pm

Nice bloggage

Stewart Smally

April 27th, 2010
1:59 pm

ncscoots

April 27th, 2010
1:47 pm
In 2010, however, I’m not sure if 70 percent of Chipper Jones is even remotely better than Omar Infante.

Chipper Jones, lying in the cold, cold ground, is probably better than Omar Infante, n8.

So scoots, how long have you been smoking crack?

ncscoots

April 27th, 2010
2:00 pm

A little exaggeration there, Stewart, just because it was nathan. But only a little, believe me.

sad brotha

April 27th, 2010
2:00 pm

Can the main boy of this disaster Terry “INCOMPETENT” McGuirk give a speech? Where is (McGuirk) and Media during times that try troubled souls? Bobby, TP and Wren? Give me a break… it’s McJerk!

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
2:01 pm

Prior to Lowe’s loss he won three straight and had a total of 21 runs behind him

Daslied

April 27th, 2010
2:01 pm

N8
Bottom line whether he likes it, Bobby likes it, Wren likes it or the blind homers like it…. him being in the field and in the lineup (especially in the 3-hole), in his current state of health is HURTING this team more than helping it.

Go ahead and deny it, and argue it. You’re wrong if you do.

I’ll argue it, and I’m not wrong. Chipper has an .857 OPS (127 OPS+). Infante? .668 (78 OPS+). Chipper’s walked 13 times against 9 strikeouts. Infante? 2 walks, 7 strikeouts. Each has 2 stolen bases.

Chipper’s defense hasn’t been great, to be sure. That -6.8 UZR/150 hurts. Infante’s? -20.5

I’ll give you points for confidence in an absurd argument, though. :)

Fischerking04

April 27th, 2010
2:01 pm

I’m defnitely not knocking the speech. Great speech. Just that with the way tihngs have been going I feel like we are a loss or two away from me buying a Celine Dion album to play while I lay in the fetal position in the corner and have a good cry.

MattyRoss

April 27th, 2010
2:02 pm

I was honestly surprised to hear Prado voicing frustration like that. I don’t think the wheels have completely fallen off, but if the players do…might be tough to turn that around.

Right now I feel like Chipper is the weak link in the lineup. Not because he’s the worst hitter, but because of where he’s hitting, and the defense he’s contributing. It really is sad, because you know he’s fighting an injury, and you KNOW he’s more frustrated by this than all of us put together. He pushed himself to play that rain-shortened game against the Mets, and was a key part of the play that led to the loss. Unfortunately, the things that made him so good for so long (work ethic and stubbornness) might be the things that keep running him out there for the good of the team, when the best thing he could do would be to rest for a while. I really hope he can turn it around. He deserves to go out at a high level.

Brian from SC

April 27th, 2010
2:02 pm

The whole Chipper thing is interesting to me. I think he’s having a pretty good year. Are people expecting him to hit 40 homers or something?

ugaaccountant

April 27th, 2010
2:03 pm

Name this quote in regards to A. Gonzalez:

“So you’re saying there’s a chance”

Don Gill

April 27th, 2010
2:03 pm

Anyone who trades away their best pitcher and doesn’t get anything for him deserves what they get. How about LaRoche who added sting to last year’s anemic lineup. And Terry Pendleton, who took 3 good minor league hitters and, although the jury is still out on Heyward, had them struggle mightily. Franceur might have foreshadowed the problem when he went elsewhere for his hitting instruction. But what if we did have Franceur, Schaffer and Heyward. all producing.

Daslied

April 27th, 2010
2:03 pm

My apologies, N8. I’d like to redirect my venom from you to MFin04 after reading his 1:54 on the last blog. Wow…

MattyRoss

April 27th, 2010
2:05 pm

Brian, I’d just say I think we all (Chipper included) probably expect too much from him at this point. That said, he’s certainly not having a good season on the defensive side.

Nova Scotia Steve

April 27th, 2010
2:05 pm

Unless Adrian Gonzales actually becomes a Brave – I hope someone signs him to a 25 year-contract that will pay him through to 2045.

Just so there’s no hope he will ever become a Brave and the discussion will cease.

Great blog to help us get through the darkest of nights.

Brian from SC

April 27th, 2010
2:06 pm

To call Francoeur a “good minor league hitter” is a little bit of a stretch. He had a .309 OBP at AA.

RC

April 27th, 2010
2:06 pm

Don Gill,

They got one of the best pitching prospects in the minor leagues and the $$ to sign Tim Hudson in the Vazquez trade. To say anything otherwise simply isn’t paying attention. (I do wish we could have kept Vazquez though.)

MFin04

April 27th, 2010
2:06 pm

Get rid of half of Lowe’s contract and all of Chipper’s Contract and you can sign Adrian Gonzalez.

TnBrian

April 27th, 2010
2:07 pm

They need to stay away from AG. Wren has to know better than to get trapped in all that mess again. Just another Tex mess.

N8

April 27th, 2010
2:07 pm

From the other blog…..

“Chipper Jones, lying in the cold, cold ground, is probably better than Omar Infante, n8.”

Really? Are you positive about that defensively? Are you telling me that Omar Infante plays worse defense at 2B (because Prado would be moving to his better defensive position of 3B), than then gimpy Chipper Jones does at 3B right now? Talk about serious denial. Good god.

Then you want to throw in the batting in the last week with the injury? Why don’t we for good measure. In the last 7 days (6 games), Chipper is hitting a whopping .278 with a .389 SLG percentage. 0 HR, 1 RBI. (and laughable defense… at best).

In the last 7 days, Infante is batting .333 with a .444 SLG percentage.

I rest my case. NEXT!!! :-)

MikeInFL

Yeah, I said “probably”, because if you would have stuck Dale Murphy in his prime in the middle of the batting order that Chipper Jones got to hit in the middle of for a decade, believe me. Murphy has more than 398 HR (in an era without expansion and very few band boxes for ballparks).

Oh, never mind the GG’s he won in the OF after being converted from a catcher. How did Chipper do in LF (the weakest of all OF positions defensively – ask nolie)?? He hurt himself chasing fly balls.

Murphy also went 30/30 when it wasn’t an everyday statistic that utility infielders accomplish.

You act like it’s clear cut that Chipper is night and day above Murphy. The numbers support that thought, but use your noodle and you’ll see the scenarios for each player were a tad different. Bonds and McGwire’s numbers support them being the best too. How’s that working out for them?

TJ

April 27th, 2010
2:07 pm

remember Chipper may retire at years end if he has a bad year. that would give us the money to go get Jason Werth or another impact bat.

Brian from SC

April 27th, 2010
2:08 pm

No, Chipper’s not having a good year defensively, and probably never will again. I just don’t understand the venom…he’s still at least our third best hitter. Some people would rather have Infante? That’s pretty crazy.

Fischerking04

April 27th, 2010
2:08 pm

I was surprised to hear Brian Jordan take a little shot at Chipper about his willingness to work harder to stay healthy. That is a sign, to me, that the wheels have started to come off a little bit. Not just the comments, but the fact that that it came from a guy who played his last few years with knees made out of pretzels. Not to mention his main job is to be PR savvy.

Wayne in Utah

April 27th, 2010
2:09 pm

Dumb and Dumber….

UKUGA

April 27th, 2010
2:10 pm

Two questions:

1) Any chance Chipper retires during the season (a la Mike Schmidt, Rod Carew)?

2) Any chance that Derek Lowe (assuming he remains untradeable) is the Braves closer by 2012?

Thanks,

UKUGA

N8

April 27th, 2010
2:10 pm

Daslied, it’s all good. But you’re not reading what I’m saying. I’m saying that Chipper hurt (RIGHT NOW) is not helping this team any more than Infante could, and he is hurting the team.

A healthy Chipper Jones is still one the Braves 3-4 best hitters (not sold on the defense anymore though).

Just wanted to clarify that I’m saying RIGHT NOW he’s hurting them. Not what he’s done all season.

I’ll have to go read what MF said at 1:54 on old blog. LOL

Stewart Smally

April 27th, 2010
2:10 pm

Probably a better motivational speech for this team!

From the esteemed Bluto Blutarski

Over? Did you say ‘over’? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!…What the f–k happened to the Delta I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? ‘Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you, Bluto, we might get in trouble.’ Well just kiss my azz from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Wormer, he’s a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer…”

Now THAT is an inspirational speech!

ncscoots

April 27th, 2010
2:10 pm

Just that with the way tihngs have been going I feel like we are a loss or two away from me buying a Celine Dion album to play while I lay in the fetal position in the corner and have a good cry.

Leroy, boy, we gotta get you a woman, LOL. Baseball done got to be too important for ya. :-) I mean, driving a man to a Celine Dion purchase is just a bad, bad sign.

N8

April 27th, 2010
2:11 pm

“Some people would rather have Infante? That’s pretty crazy.” Brian

Read my 2:10 post for your answer to what I was actually saying.

Daslied

April 27th, 2010
2:11 pm

N8
In the last 7 days, Infante is batting .333 with a .444 SLG percentage.

Your basis is 10 PAs? Versus Chipper’s 22?

Gastroenterologist

April 27th, 2010
2:12 pm

…. ok – getting rid of Lowe and Chipper frees up room to pay Adrian G… but eh… what’s the trade?

NO MORE BOBBY

April 27th, 2010
2:12 pm

FROM WHO? There are no leaders on this team!!

ATLiens

April 27th, 2010
2:12 pm

DOB, ironically i wrote a lengthy post late last night about this very subject. the poison of doubt. but my question to you and others (as i asked last night) who is going to be the one to rally the troops and lead? chippers not, mccann prob wont either. so who? the issue is that all these players, especially chipper, can talk all day in the papers about someone getting the big hit, instead of them just bucking up and doing it themselves

TJ

April 27th, 2010
2:12 pm

Lowe as closer? yikes

MFin04

April 27th, 2010
2:13 pm

N8 – Exact same thing I said.

faninva

April 27th, 2010
2:13 pm

Stewart Smally -

I posted that last week, though i changed “Delta’ to Braves, etc. sorry, nice speech…didn’t work.

Ow! My Oblique!

April 27th, 2010
2:13 pm

When last I checked the Padres were in 1st in a weak division. If they are going to be contenders all season in that weak division why on Earth would they trade Gonzalez during the season? That would be something stupid and the Padres won’t trade their best, most popular player while they are in contention. Sorry Braves fans but the answer won’t be Gonzalez. By the way, when the Braves dumped Tex I advocated them getting Kendry Morales instead of Casey Kotchman. Geez, I should be the GM. I will take half of what is being flushed down the terlet paying Wren and make the tough decisions that Wren is afraid to. That means goodbye Terry Pendleton and Chipper being a part time player.

Daslied

April 27th, 2010
2:13 pm

N8, I get what you’re saying. It’s just a little (okay, a lot) knee-jerk for my taste. :)

ManOfTeal

April 27th, 2010
2:14 pm

I think it’s time you backed up the truck.

CB

April 27th, 2010
2:14 pm

N8,now THAT was a ringing endorsement!

Brian from SC

April 27th, 2010
2:15 pm

N8…Chipper hasn’t had a hit in 3 games. Wow…someone call the paramedics. I’m sure that’s never happened to him before.

Unless Chipper tells me he can’t go…I’d rather have him in the lineup. 100% of the time, without a doubt.

MFin04

April 27th, 2010
2:16 pm

Has everyone having this Infante vs Chipper debate, actually watched Chipper play this last week?

Its not like we are looking at career numbers here. We are looking at reality.

Right now, an Infante Prado lineup is better both defensively and offensively than Chipper Prado lineup.

UKUGA

April 27th, 2010
2:16 pm

I don’t know how you get rid of Lowe, unless the daily shortening of his contract makes him more attractive, despite the reduction of his productivity.

sportsmandh

April 27th, 2010
2:17 pm

I’m afraid Lowe’s best days as a closer are behind him too ….
Don’t see him ever going back into that role.

MFin04

April 27th, 2010
2:17 pm

Brian from SC – What happens if Chipper doesn’t tell he can’t go, but he really can’t go? Like the last 3 or more games?

heyward

April 27th, 2010
2:17 pm

at this point in chippers career, i think the better bet is to play prado at 3rd and infante at 2nd

brian

April 27th, 2010
2:17 pm

I agree with the thought behind that quote – wanting to give up the farm for 1.5 seasons of AGon is Dumb and Dumber

N8

April 27th, 2010
2:17 pm

Sorry guys. MFin04 is dead on with his 1:54 on the old blog. It’s precisely what I’m saying.

Chipper Jones playing at 70 percent of his 38 year old ability, is barely (and probably not) better than a healthy Omar Infante. Especailly as MFin04 stated, with Prado at 3B and Omar at 2B.

Omar isn’t much worse than Prado at 2B, and Prado is FAR better defensively than a 38 year old Chipper at 3B. Purely from a defensive standpoint, that would make this team (and help this “pitch to contact” pitching staff out a ton). But….

… when healthy, Chipper’s offensive ability trumps all defense that an Omar/Prado defensive combination would provide.

MFin04, the “probably” comment stemmed from me saying Chipper probably has had the better career than Murphy did. NOT Omar.

But refer to my 2:07 on this blog for my respons/defense of Murphy’s career, given who he had around him for the majority of it.

ncscoots

April 27th, 2010
2:17 pm

n8, I know better than to attempt reasoning with you on one of these things that start buzzing in your bonnet, LOL. Man’s got to pack a lunch and swig a gallon of patience to go that route. I’m gonna pass, if it’s all the same to you. :-)

Besides, I got my “cold, cold ground” line in, and that’s what I really cared about, LOL.

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
2:17 pm

an update on arodys vizcanio he is who we got from the Yanks for vasquez here are his stats so far in Rome 2 wins 2 losses 4.95era he has pitched in 4 games and pitched 20 innings and given up 11 runs 22 hits and has struck out 19 here is the link to his stats so far http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/?pl_id=88890
Next, Michael Dunn- He has appeared in 6 games and his 1-0 and has a era of a mere .96 and his given up only one run and six hits and the link http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=445197
Milk man- hitting .175 with 11 hits and 2 rbis

javier Vasquez is 1 and 3 this season with a 9.00era in 20 innings and has given up 25 hits and 20 earned runs

Wonder who got the better end of this one?

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
2:18 pm

heyward: what do you do with the chip off the ole block if the Braves play Prado at third?

Daslied

April 27th, 2010
2:20 pm

MFin04 – before Sunday night, Pujols had a 6-game stretch where he went 3-20. I suppose LaRussa should’ve played Joe Mather instead?

Brian from SC

April 27th, 2010
2:20 pm

I dunno, MFin04….I have no reason to think Chipper “couldn’t go” the last 3 games. I think you’re just frustrated about the last week or so and are looking for places to pin the blame. Whatever…I’ll take Chipper over Infante every single time.

Stewart Smally

April 27th, 2010
2:21 pm

And on the other subject, no Gonzo please. Had a gonzo a couple of years ago his name was Tex and he didn’t lead us to the promised land. Cost us a lot of prospects, but couldn’t get us across the street.

Before that, we lost a kid named Wainwright for another one year rental named JD Drew. That may have hurt worse than the Tex deal.

Been there, saw that bad movie. Not stupid enough (I hope) to pay the price of admisssion again on that one.

heyward

April 27th, 2010
2:22 pm

yes the braves would be out his contract but right now all larry is doing is getting hurt while we continue losing. puting infante in the lineup will at least give us some advantages.

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
2:22 pm

heyward: and what might those be?

ugaaccountant

April 27th, 2010
2:23 pm

Wayne in Utah

April 27th, 2010
2:09 pm
Dumb and Dumber….

We have a winner! It would be Dumb and Dumber to trade the farm for Adrian Gonzalez.

heyward

April 27th, 2010
2:24 pm

and about gonzo deal…STAY AWAY!!! we have lost too much already as prospects that would be very valuable right now

ncscoots

April 27th, 2010
2:24 pm

looking for places to pin the blame.

The ole blame train has been running on the express line here in the blog for some time. Throttle open and engineer dead at the controls, I’d say, LOL. Best to move women, children, and reasonable men away from the track while it hurtles by.

N8

April 27th, 2010
2:24 pm

“Your basis is 10 PAs? Versus Chipper’s 22?”

No. My basis is on what my eyes have seen Chipper be able to (or NOT be able to do) with the injury. And an assumption that a healthy Omar Infante can provide AT LEAST that, and probably more stability at this point, until Chipper heals up.

Have you actually WATCHED him swing and the faces he’s made? Have you seen how long it physically took him to get up before making that throw? Fred Sandford might have gotten up of the ground quicker than that.

Tom Glavine was a great pitcher. Tom Glavine coming off of arm surgery at his age, was NOT. Chipper’s getting older. Not younger. And with every nagging injury, his “value” becomes less and less.

Leo states that his prescence is important to the lineup. Yeah, in helping the other team succeed. Have you seen the other teams attack him at the plate? Nobody is afraid of his bat right now. Yet there he is right in the middle of the order.

Let’s get him healthy. I’d rather be without him for 2 weeks, and see if it’s possible to get him healthy for the final 5 months, than to have him hurt the team (and himself in the time being). Because if he gets hurt more than he is, god forbid we might HAVE TO have Omar in the lineup all year, rather than for just 10 games or so.

Dude should have been on the DL last week, and he’d be resting and back NEXT week. But Brian Jordan hurt his feelings and now he’s trying to show how tough he is. He tough alright.

Tough to watch, right now.

ATLiens

April 27th, 2010
2:24 pm

all this discussion over chipper vs. infante is beside the point. changing one player in the lineup doesnt solve the real problem. attitude. until thats changed the ships going to continue to sink

heyward

April 27th, 2010
2:24 pm

bravofan: speed defensive and on base percentage

suh muh muh beech

April 27th, 2010
2:25 pm

I think Bobby needs to dust off his pimp hand and slap some skills into the Braves.

MFin04

April 27th, 2010
2:25 pm

Daslied – If Pujols is hurt, La Russa should sit him.

Chipper is hurt. Bad oblique and a bad hip. He can’t swing right handed and he can’t field. His left handed swing isn’t exactly great right now either. He is better off going on the DL and getting healthy. I am amazed that pitchers are still walking him, even though he is hurt. But a hurt Chipper Jones, is still a scary Chipper Jones, but I’d rather him stop giving away runs at third, and actually get better.

MikeInFL

April 27th, 2010
2:25 pm

I’m using my noodle, N8. I don’t think there is any doubt that Chipper has been a much better player than Murphy, context and all.

At their best, they were comparable. But Murphy had about 6 dominant years to about twice that many for Chipper.

Love’em both, man. But to me it’s hands-down.

Stewart Smally

April 27th, 2010
2:25 pm

faninva

missed your post on that. Today was a perfect day for the context of the speech to be shared with bloggers.

You, my friend, were ahead of your time! A Trailblazer, if you will!

Wayne in Utah

April 27th, 2010
2:26 pm

No thank you on AG. We’d never hear the end of it after he left us and signed with the Red Sox in a year and a half from now.

Besides, let’s see what Freeman will be able to do for us later this summer.

And for Chipper…….kinda like saying we are going to bench Carl Yastremski! Not going to happen, unless he goes on the DL.

Any talk about it is a waste of time.

Chipper has earned the right to play hurt.

Daslied

April 27th, 2010
2:27 pm

There are 4 regulars hitting .210 or under (each with an OPS .623 or below) and every regular has committed at least 1 error.

People are blaming Chipper for the losses. Un-freaking-believable.

Brian from SC

April 27th, 2010
2:27 pm

LOL at heyward saying Infante over Chipper is an OBP advantage. Wow…didn’t know someone with a .320 OBP is an advantage over someone with a .400+ OBP. And that’s this year, not career.

RC

April 27th, 2010
2:27 pm

By the way, when the Braves dumped Tex I advocated them getting Kendry Morales instead of Casey Kotchman. Geez, I should be the GM.

If you really would have been able to convince the Angels to give up Morales for Tex, you should be the GM. But I doubt you could have, because that simply was not happening. Morales 2008 = Freeman 2011.

MFin04

April 27th, 2010
2:28 pm

ATLiens – I agree that removing Chipper from the lineup and inserting Infante, does not change this team’s overall lack of offense.

It does however save them some runs defensively, but ultimately this team needs to score some runs.

Everyone on this team needs to hit better only exception is Martin Prado (he is due to go cold and has started to do so which is realistic).

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
2:28 pm

ok Heyward so you want a career .264 hitter to take the place of a future hall of famer career .307 hitter. Infantes obp is .310 while chip off the old blocks is .406 I rest my case

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
2:28 pm

brain from sc just pulled up the stats he is wrong

Kyle

April 27th, 2010
2:28 pm

DOB- thank you for clearing up this gonzolas mess. that would be terrible for our future. imagine what we would have if we kept those guys for tex. let me throw out some stupid ideas. lets trade for the following- billy butler mark reynolds, pablo sandoval, justin smoak bj upton ichiro. wren doesnt need to make another mistake to cover up his current mistakes. great job DOB

cabravesfan

April 27th, 2010
2:28 pm

wasn’t it just a few days ago that so many people on the blog were bitching that Chipper needed to “man up” and play through whatever was bothering him? And now so many people on the blog are bitching that Chipper needs to sit and get healthy…gotta love it :roll:

heyward

April 27th, 2010
2:29 pm

MFin04: chipper is hitting better right handed .313 vs .229 left handed

Brian from SC

April 27th, 2010
2:30 pm

LOL again at the guy that said Murphy had six “dominant” years and Chipper had half as many. Over Murphy’s six best years, his average OPS+ was 145. Chipper had 8 years with an OPS+ over that. Chipper has six years with an OPS+ higher than Murphys career high.

faninva

April 27th, 2010
2:30 pm

Stewart Smally -

No worries! Ya, i posted it hoping it was the speech Bobby was preparing for the game against Halladay. oops. guess he was mum that day.

N8

April 27th, 2010
2:30 pm

thanks scoots. LOL

“MFin04 – before Sunday night, Pujols had a 6-game stretch where he went 3-20. I suppose LaRussa should’ve played Joe Mather instead?” Daslied

I don’t know? Is Pujols hurt? Has he looked like he’s in pain when he swings? Have the opponants been NOT pitching around him, because they know in his current state of health, he’s easier than normal to get out? Does he look like an old man while fielding his position?

This isn’t about a slump. It’s about the fact that he was hurt. Told DOB (or somebody) that he’d probably be out for more than 2 or 3 games, then after Brian Jordan publicly ripped him, he magically was able to go the next day and has LOOKED awful and out of sorts ever since.

Heyward is in a slump too. But he’s not hurt. And most importantly, not hurting the team in all areas of his game.

Why has this turned into an argument over Chippers overall ability, rather than his current ability to do what he NORMALLY can do when healthy? It’s a simple question.

But apparently, the majority think that a hobbled Chipper Jones is just fine plugged into the 3-hole and playing shoddy defense at 3B? I guess I’m the fool, huh?

Ted M

April 27th, 2010
2:30 pm

The Braves have to face 3 great pitchers in a row. The streak is likely to reach 9 loses.

The Oddball

April 27th, 2010
2:30 pm

Adam Laroche, a notoriously slow starter, is batting .286 with two home runs since Opening Day.

amicusterrae

April 27th, 2010
2:31 pm

DOB, appreciate the gentle admonishment about booing our guys, like Glaus.
Steve Phillips wrote an interesting piece about how booing makes things worse. http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/04/26/memo-to-boobirds-you-arent-helping/

Daslied

April 27th, 2010
2:31 pm

MFin04
Daslied – If Pujols is hurt, La Russa should sit him.

Right. LaRussa did sit him from 2007-2009, or whenever that was, when everyone said he was going to have to undergo elbow surgery. You got me!

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
2:31 pm

kyle: were you not already aware we would have to give up all of our prospects?

GetwhatUpayfor

April 27th, 2010
2:31 pm

Tom Russell Great!! The Braves ..well they stink!!

MikeInFL

April 27th, 2010
2:32 pm

LOL again at the guy that said Murphy had six “dominant” years and Chipper had half as many.

I believe…no, I’ll quote myself, I said: “But Murphy had about 6 dominant years to about twice that many for Chipper.” LOL.

bravofan

April 27th, 2010
2:32 pm

ted M.- I love your positivity my man

Brian from SC

April 27th, 2010
2:32 pm

Whoops, read that Murphy thing wrong. Apologies! ;-)

heyward

April 27th, 2010
2:32 pm

bravofan: we are not interested in career numbers, we are interested in the present and chipper is not the answer.

also these faggots need to quit putting smileys everywhere

faninva

April 27th, 2010
2:32 pm

DOB -

wanna make a quick comment on your previous blog regarding McClouth and how he seems to easy pitch the ball back to the infield on what might be close plays otherwise. just thought that was a really good observation. always thought something was a little off in his approach.

Stewart Smally

April 27th, 2010
2:33 pm

“Chipper has earned the right to play hurt.”

That statement just sent chills down my back. It’s a cry that when translated says, “we give up!” Bobby has earned the right to manage even if he had a lobotomy! Think I heard that one to.

That just says that the Braves are willing to throw away a position in the lineup if a guy at the end of his career decides to hang on too long. Usually the last person to know he’s done is the player himself.

Jesse Stone

April 27th, 2010
2:33 pm

You can’t weigh in on the Vaz trade based on what he does in NY. He pitched well HERE. The atmosphere HERE suited him. Pitching for guys like Ozzie Guillen and in the spotlight like the Bronx doesn’t suit him. He was comfortable HERE. If he was HERE, his numbers would be much better.

MikeInFL

April 27th, 2010
2:33 pm

Sorry Brian, I’m not gonna be able to forgive you. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Kashi

April 27th, 2010
2:33 pm

Bringing A Gonzo don’t make sense to me. Look at the players that we gave up for Tex trade and how well they are playing in major league after 2 years. I would just forget 2010 and bring in freeman for 1B, and Schafer for left field. Give them plenty at bat and major league experience for 2011 and beyond.

Ted M

April 27th, 2010
2:33 pm

Jaime Garcia, St Louis’ starter tomorrow is looking really good and the Braves historically stink against pitchers they are seeing the first time.

Then Wainwright

dap01

April 27th, 2010
2:34 pm

Come on Cox, give Melky a chance. He should atleast have 300+ abats at below .200 before we pass judgement! Keep him at leadoff too.

bigchiefrg

April 27th, 2010
2:35 pm

here lately, I feel like this blog looks like a heart beat line. It goes down in the direction of fantasy until DOB writes a new one at about 3 oclock the next day to bring ppl back to reality.

Great read. I am beginning to understand why you are a writer and I am a… What am I again? Oh, nevermind.

The boys will come back around and I am going to keep hoping and thinking that until they are mathematically eliminated. Anyone who boos at their own players struggling need to check themselves. That is way too Philadelphian for my tastes (unless that player has done something criminal or very shameful).

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