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FEAR
April 25th, 2010
3:44 pm
nice
Anders
April 25th, 2010
3:46 pm
I’m outta here for the day Braves fans. Enjoy the game. I’m on the road all week. I’ll try and catch up from there.
Peace.
NO MORE BOBBY
April 25th, 2010
3:47 pm
There are no lyrics to match how bad this start has been.
NO MORE BOBBY
April 25th, 2010
3:48 pm
Thanks FEAR for not putting First! That is so played out.
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
3:49 pm
Well that was depressingly accurate
FEAR
April 25th, 2010
3:49 pm
You could put up the Dead Kennedy’s Shrink. Because that’s what the Braves Batting average is doing. haha
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
3:50 pm
Thanks FEAR for not putting First! That is so played out.
You know it’s bad if NMB is calling something played out
FEAR
April 25th, 2010
3:50 pm
So what needs to be done? Do we just wait it out and hope these guys get hot?
Glen W
April 25th, 2010
3:52 pm
Great stuff, DOB. Great for us to be able to hear from TP right now. Thanks.
Mark Twine
April 25th, 2010
3:53 pm
I’ll tell yall what needs to be done…everyone needs to relax and take a deep breath. A three game win streak and we could be in first. Just 1/10 of the season has been completed. If this is still going on in sayyy two weeks, then start getting worried.
FEAR
April 25th, 2010
3:54 pm
Mark Twine – none of what dave wrote worries you at all?
CB
April 25th, 2010
3:58 pm
Somebody kick Mark Twine off the blog- he doesn’t fit in.
NO MORE BOBBY
April 25th, 2010
3:58 pm
Few things about this blog…..
1. I applaud you DOB for posting the painful facts and not sugarcoating it this time. Thank you.
2. Glaus and Cabrera – Did anyone really think these two were the answer? Really?
3. Yunel Escobar is pulling a Manny in my opinion. He wants out of Atlanta and I don’t blame him.
4. If these readers need Radiohead posted next to Thom’s name then they must live under a rock or listen to Lady GaGa.
Mark Twine
April 25th, 2010
3:59 pm
FEAR, the old saying hitting is contagious I believe to be true. The bats will come back alive just in time to save our pitchers when they may go through rough outings. We have played just about as bad of baseball as can be played and only 1 game under .500. Baseball is more than statistics.
Ken Stallings
April 25th, 2010
4:02 pm
The lack of hitting isn’t the worst problem. The Braves are frankly playing with less fundamentals than a typical little league team! Escobar’s horrible gaff in failing to tag up on an obvious sac fly to right field versus the Mets was merely the worst of many similar boneheaded plays.
Announcer Joe Simpson said it best on air, “Get your heads out!”
He made an obvious point to saying there was more to add to that line but television decorum demanded he omit it!
Point being that everyone must realize this team is playing as though there are bets on the line. Some of the plays look so bad one can compare them to the plays made by the Black Sox versus the Reds!
Ken
Mad Mike
April 25th, 2010
4:02 pm
i hate it for tp – but perhaps the most incriminating piece of evidence is that he’s making suggestions and his players don’t listen. i really hope he’s not “manager in waiting.”
Snotboogie
April 25th, 2010
4:03 pm
Nice timing on the TP interview DOB. Good to hear from him. Cant wait for the Braves to start hitting again. Even the Astros are hitting and scoring runs in bunches (7 Wins of last 9) – right in time to face the Braves. If they can turn it around after that dismal start, I dont see why we cannot. The controversies might also subside once the winning starts.
Pete
April 25th, 2010
4:04 pm
DOB mentions: “Glaus is 2-for-27 with two RBI, nine strikeouts and a .167 OBP in his past nine games.”
Not only did YE blunder yesterday result in inning ending DP, but Glaus was robbed of an RBI and a sac fly, meaning he was 0 for 1 in that AB as opposed to no AB and an RBI. Just a brutal play all around.
HeloMan
April 25th, 2010
4:05 pm
If that unnamed player is comfortable hitting with his leg straight even though it’s not working, perhaps he’d be more comfortable sitting on the bench. It goes back to accountability. It’s one thing to stick with a struggling player who is trying to make adjustments and improve, it’s another story to stick with a struggling player who refuses to listen to his coaches and make adjustments. This is the time you need to make the status quo a little less “comfortable”.
NO MORE BOBBY
April 25th, 2010
4:05 pm
He didn’t want to throw any individual under the bus – DOB on Pendleton
Why would he throw himself under that bus? He is 99% of the problem. Hitters don’t relate to him. Look at what ex Braves are doing now. TP messed up A. Jones so bad it took him two years to overcome the damage.
61 year Braves Fan
April 25th, 2010
4:06 pm
Fire Cox & Pendleton immediately!!!
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:06 pm
I applaud you DOB for posting the painful facts and not sugarcoating it this time.
This time? Yes, because DOB is never blunt and sugarcoats everything.
Mad Mike
April 25th, 2010
4:07 pm
anybody wanna take a gander at who the stubborn batter is?
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 25th, 2010
4:08 pm
Great song DOB, love Radiohead. Did you get my email from previous blog about The National. Good band, been jamming out to them today. Braves are pathetic right now, 16 games in or not…they are horrible. I’m not pressing the panic button but i’m pressin the “my lord, this will be a long, horrible season because majority of our players suffer from retardation- no offense” button. I cringe just thinking about them right now.
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
April 25th, 2010
4:10 pm
No Surprises must be sweet listening to while walking the streets of NYC and then have Lucky follow that.
John Leonard
April 25th, 2010
4:12 pm
Yes the hitting is terrible,but the “D” is bad ,base running is a bad joke, but worst of all is the coaching.
A-Ville Ranger
April 25th, 2010
4:12 pm
DOB, sorry if this has been covered (ad nauseum I’d expect) . What is your best guess as to whether there’s a real chance Cox might either fire or demote TP if hitting remains close to this bad ?
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:13 pm
Why would he throw himself under that bus? He is 99% of the problem. Hitters don’t relate to him. Look at what ex Braves are doing now. TP messed up A. Jones so bad it took him two years to overcome the damage.
Wow. If we’re going to go by your stupid logic, then allow me to use just a couple of examples to see if you can help explain:
1) Adam LaRoche hit .247 with 12 HR in 87 games with the Pirates. After coming to Pendleton, he hit .325 with 12 HR in 57 games.
2) In 2005, after working with TP for 3 years, Andruw Jones hit 51 HR and was runner-up for MVP
Salty Dawg
April 25th, 2010
4:15 pm
Well I’ll be the first to admit that I haven’t got a lot of confidence in TP these days, though I know for a fact he tried getting through to Andruw and, according to DOB, at least one other player. I recall that he tried getting through to Frenchy as well. So what does that say? He is trying to give hitters advice in his area of expertise and they a) don’t feel inclined to listen, and b) apparently don’t suffer any consequences from not listening. So is the problem in TP’s communication skills, players’ lack of confidence that TP knows what he is talking about, or c) that BC allows the players to continue ignoring him with no consequences? Any of the three is a problem.
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:15 pm
Who has the final say in assistant coaching positions? Is it Wren or Cox?
Colin
April 25th, 2010
4:15 pm
well I don’t care what Yunel does, or Chipper..they are gone from my fantasy teams…thank goodness…I want Jermaine Dye right meow.
Salty Dawg
April 25th, 2010
4:16 pm
That ended up a little out of order somehow, but I think the point is clear.
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:17 pm
but perhaps the most incriminating piece of evidence is that he’s making suggestions and his players don’t listen. i really hope he’s not “manager in waiting.” Mad Mike
that is pretty much SOP in baseball. way more don’t listen than do. It’s their career after all
Chuck James was Solid until the 6th!!!
April 25th, 2010
4:18 pm
I have no clue but I’m guessing it’s McLouth, although his personality doesn’t match up with a guy who won’t listen to his coach. Glaus is a guy who stands straight up at the plate and is struggling mightily. Obviously DOB can’t call the guy out because of the off-the-record deal that probably went down when he talked to said teammate of the defiant, underperforming, narcissistic struggling individual.
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:18 pm
While I don’t think TP is completely to blame for the hitting woes, I do think it would be best to go in a different direction. If nothing else to just shake things up and get some new ideas. It’s not fair to TP, but clearly what’s going on right now isn’t working
The Bottom Line
April 25th, 2010
4:18 pm
Great of TP to man up and consider that much of the responsibility of pulling the team out of the offensive funk has to be laid at his feet.
Unfortunately, manning up may not be enough. Fire TP and get someone else even if it’s the equipment manager. Something has to change and it won’t be Bobby.
JerseyGil
April 25th, 2010
4:18 pm
DOB…It’s to painful to continuos reading this new blog….
Salty Dawg
April 25th, 2010
4:19 pm
2) In 2005, after working with TP for 3 years, Andruw Jones hit 51 HR and was runner-up for MVP
Followed by a downward spiral the likes of which the sports world rarely sees. Which to me paints a picture of Andruw no longer listening to TP. We all know the whole deal with his weight and his approach at the plate. So why did he no longer feel the need to listen to TP?
Salty Dawg
April 25th, 2010
4:19 pm
Or, as someone mentioned on the previous blog, could 2005 been the result of some chemical assistance.
Pete
April 25th, 2010
4:20 pm
Jeffrey, you mention “In 2005, after working with TP for 3 years, Andruw Jones hit 51 HR and was runner-up for MVP”
Why would it take 3 years for TP to have an impact on AJ? Also, how did his last year as a Brave work out?
UNCBrave
April 25th, 2010
4:20 pm
Jermaine Dye would be a solid pick-up with McClouth AND Cabrera struggling
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:20 pm
Obviously DOB can’t call the guy out because of the off-the-record deal that probably went down when he talked to said teammate
Maybe he can tell us what it rhymes with.
JerseyGil
April 25th, 2010
4:21 pm
Matt Capp is going to finish with 55 saved in this paces…
Colin
April 25th, 2010
4:21 pm
JOE TORRE FOR 2011!!! I am starting the campaign right now.
Reno
April 25th, 2010
4:21 pm
What ever happened to that “feel good” thing Braves had going on coming out of spring training?
What’s in Yunel’s head? Bobby should err on the side of showing Yunel some respect and love – put him in the three-hole in batting lineup while Chipper is out. I think it’s pretty much a given that Yunel is not going to take well to the yelling and scolding approach. I’ll bet anything that Yunel will rise to the challenge if he’s made to feel that he is important to team (which he most certainly is!) He appears to be a very sensitive young man, probably too sensitive for his own good – easily “disrespected.” He’s looking around at the other guys and Bobby putting him down batting 6th behind unproven newcomers after he proved himself last year and thinking “what’s an hombre got to do to get some respect?” Look how long it took Bobby to realize that Prado was the real deal! Maybe it’s the language thing or something???? It’s your last go-around Bobby, give it a try. Show Yunel some love. You’ve got nothing to lose – the season’s success largely hangs in the balance around whether or not Yunel, in particular, comes around and plays “happy” and well.
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:22 pm
y’all are throwing way too much blame at Pendleton. I’m no fan of his overall, but he really has very limited powers. a hitting coach can do no more than suggest, and many players either decide they don’t want to do it or they try it but fall back into bad habits under pressure at bats.
Eric from MO
April 25th, 2010
4:23 pm
FEAR I think all we can do is wait and hope. No big trade happens for the first couple of months.
Mad Mike, thats a good point. If his players dont respect him enough now, dont make him manager. Which I dont think Wren will. I think he will go with his own choice.
JerseyGil
April 25th, 2010
4:23 pm
UNCBrave …and then what you do with this to guys?…
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:23 pm
Colin you must like Cox then cause those two guys are twin sons of different mothers
FEAR
April 25th, 2010
4:23 pm
like someone else said. you cant blame all this on TP, but we should get someone else and try another approach
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:24 pm
Pete – No More Bobby mentioned that TP messed up Andruw so bad that it took 2 years to undo the damage. I noted that even after working with TP for 2 years, he was the second best player in the NL
Also, how did his last year as a Brave work out?
Andruw had 11 great years with the Braves (6 with TP), and we’re going to point to one year to deomonstrate how horrible Pendleton is? How about 05-06 when Andruw hit 92 homeruns?
John Leonard
April 25th, 2010
4:24 pm
I was a yunel supporter,but i’ve seen enough,trade him now.
Lew
April 25th, 2010
4:24 pm
61 Year Braves’ Fan-Is that what Don is calling himself today?
Larry
April 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
Hi Bobby–I tried to get you on your cell, but you didn’t answer. Just wanted to let you know I won’t be coming in today. I’ve got kind of a stuffy nose and I think it’s best I stay home. And I don’t want to infect the guys. I’m still contagious I think.
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
huge difference between being a manager and a hitting coach. but I’d pass on TP too, Give me Eddie or give me nobody
Tomahawkin
April 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
Nolie
I have never been a fan of Pendleton as the hitting coach. He makes Merv Rettenmund look good…
But most braves fans think Pendleton is too much like Bobby…
Colin
April 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
Nolie- Except for the fact he won 4 world series in a row, and it woulda been 5 had it not been for a miraculous hit…so he is a winner and I would love to win.
cdubb
April 25th, 2010
4:26 pm
That was depressing. Thanks DOB.
Saff
April 25th, 2010
4:26 pm
If Dye had anything left he would be playing somewhere.
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:26 pm
nolie – Completely agree with you at 4:22. People are putting way too much influence on a hitting coach.
It’s like blaming Bobby because if Escobar was better coached, he would’ve tagged up yesterday. As if tagging on a deep popup is something you’ll only see and learn in the Majors.
Danga
April 25th, 2010
4:27 pm
That was weak sauce NMB.
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:28 pm
If Dye had anything left he would be playing somewhere.
30 of 30 teams passed on Dye. I think they have more info on the situation than any of us will
Tomahawkin
April 25th, 2010
4:28 pm
D.O.B.
You will like this. I was bumping that 105.7 and they played that Mariah “Touch My Body”…
I still can’t believe you don’t like Mariah, especially since she passed Elvis with the number one hits of all time, plus Chicks love Mariah…
FEAR
April 25th, 2010
4:29 pm
dye wants to much money for what he is offering
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:29 pm
yeah Colin then he couldn’t win anything for years with the most talent in baseball.
They are the same guy, ask anybody who has played for both. They have the same strengths and weaknesses, the fans complain about the same things with both of them.
I like Cox so I have nothing against Joe, other than that book he wrote where he was a bit less than standup IMO.
Kyle
April 25th, 2010
4:29 pm
DOB- what of the reports of the Braves putting together a package of prospects (freeman for sure) for adrian gonzalez? tell me this isnt true? wouldnt it be like the tex deal all over again? any chance they move escobar in a deal like that? thanks
gobravos
April 25th, 2010
4:29 pm
The Braves are beyond pathetic at this point. Its painful to watch this team play. I have found myself saying that a lot over the past few years about my favorite team in all of sports. New year, same team, same problems. I think eventually some of these guys will bust out of the slumps, but I can’t seriously tell you I think any of the outfielders will. Diaz, McLouth, and Cabreara are looking awful. Throw Glaus and Escobar in their and you’ve got a really bad team. Face it. They’re really bad. I don’t think Escobar will come out of this slump, either. He looks awful in every aspect of the game. We’ve seen Chipper slump for a whole year, and right now I fear we might be about to watch Escobar do the same.
Tomahawkin
April 25th, 2010
4:29 pm
Colin
I would like Joe Torre as wel as our next managerl…Him or Ozzie Guillen
Disco Stew
April 25th, 2010
4:30 pm
LaRoche is a text book 2H hitter (this is known throughout baseball). His Braves numbers last year had nothing to do with TP. He always spikes in the 2H and that is why Wren traded for him but in turn let him go this winter (he is usually terrible in the 1H).
He wanted to ride the 2H LaRoche wave to make yet another hail mary attempt to get this club to the post season.
TP is done with this club. He has been the hitting coach for 7 years with up & down results – even with major roster turn over.
Same crap new day – extended slumps, poor situation hitting, no one can bunt effectively, no hit & run, etc. This team is not an offensive power house by any stretch of the imagination but to be totally ineffective with all the players – that looks bad.
If this were not Bobby’s last year TP would be canned by May. B/C the Braves are so image conscious he will likely be quietly let go as the new manager comes in.
In fact he may just quit to avoid being fired.
Kyle
April 25th, 2010
4:30 pm
oh and ppl stop bringing up jermaine dye. he cant play the field and had a terrible 2nd half last year.
N8
April 25th, 2010
4:31 pm
DOB, many commend you on you lyric/band choices, but I believe I’ll be the first to do so on the photos you select to post with said lyrics. You know where I stand on yours and my musical differences, so not much reason to re-hash that. But I almost ALWAYS enjoy the photos you choose, and today was no exception. That photo is simply put…. kick ass.
Colin
April 25th, 2010
4:31 pm
thanks tomahawkin, I thought maybe I was the only one who would like him as a manager..I am a fan cause I was a little to young to remember the 90’s when he beat us all the time..
N8
April 25th, 2010
4:31 pm
Kyle, sounds to me like Dye would fit in just fine.
NO MORE BOBBY
April 25th, 2010
4:33 pm
nolie – A good coach has his players listening to him and playing as a TEAM. A player here and there hitting good is to me not a reflection of TP. That is their true talent coming out in my opinion. This team for years has not hit as a team. Players don’t sacrifice an at bat for the team, they don’t hit and run like other teams, no one can bunt (that one really ticks me off) and this is a reflection of TP (plus Bobby). If this was the first year of having this talk on here then it would be one thing but its deja vu all over again.
Yes it is early but crap! Don’t we go to spring training to figure out these things and see who will bat wherever? We get into May and are still trying to work things out. Maybe if Bobby spent less time doing this and more on the team in Florida we would not be playing catch up again.
http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/12/bobbycoxandfriends.jpg
Danga
April 25th, 2010
4:33 pm
Followed by a downward spiral the likes of which the sports world rarely sees.
My guess is a bit of age and a lot of weight eventually caught up to him. He shows up this year 10-15 lbs lighter, and he has obviously dedicated himself to working a way in the offseason that he was unwilling to do in the past. It is good to see, and I hope he can pick it up. Maybe that RH power hitter we are looking for is playing for the white stockings this year. It’d be fun to see him back in a Braves uni assuming of course that doesn’t revert back to recent form.
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:34 pm
what of the reports of the Braves putting together a package of prospects (freeman for sure) for adrian gonzalez? KYLE
where did you hear that about Freeman? Why would they want Freeman when they have a 280 pound LFer they are desperate to get back to first.? Blanks would likely have to fall out of favor before they traded for another first baseman
Lew
April 25th, 2010
4:34 pm
Kyle-I wouldn’t worry too much. They won’t go out and make a deal for someone who they will have to sign long term for bundles of bucks when they consider Freeman so close to being ready (and apparently he’s hitting at AAA, now). Freeman will cost them the ML minimum for at least another several years and then will still be cheap. They fully expect him to be just a notch under Heyward on the talent meter.
Why would they go and deal a good bit of their minor league system when they already have a player to step in very soon? THAT’S why they got Glaus to begin with. They won’t change direction now.
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:35 pm
Him or Ozzie Guillen Thawkin
that makes no sense at all, they are about as different as could be possible.
Lew
April 25th, 2010
4:35 pm
Especially since they got Hinske as a back up option, as well.
al
April 25th, 2010
4:36 pm
An old Andruw is better than any of the outfielders the Braves can put on the field. Its amazing how people can low rate the things he did for the Braves while he was here. And by the way, he’s hitting big homers and will hit his 400th in a couple of weeks or so. A slimmer Andruw is getting the last laugh.
Woody Woodward
April 25th, 2010
4:36 pm
Right now I’m not so much worried about the hitting. With the exception of McLouth, who may be in a career ending slump, the other guys will come around. What’s disturbing is poor defense which negates good pitching and smacks of a lack of focus. Hopefully, yesterday was a low point. And all the talk about Esco–he may be a head case, but if we trade, who are we going to replace him with? Wouldn’t that just weaken things more defensively? And no Dye. We need some defense in the outfield…you want another year of Anderson?
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:37 pm
A good coach has his players listening to him and playing as a TEAM. NMB
sure dude and you know all this from your vast experience right?
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:37 pm
Players don’t sacrifice an at bat for the team, they don’t hit and run like other teams, no one can bunt (that one really ticks me off) and this is a reflection of TP (plus Bobby). No More Bobby
Braves were 2nd in the Majors last year in sacrifice hits.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/year/2009/sort/sacHits/type/expanded/order/true
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:37 pm
I thought maybe I was the only one who would like him as a manager.. Colin
then you didn’t read my post correctly
Salty Dawg
April 25th, 2010
4:38 pm
I would like Joe Torre as wel as our next managerl…Him or Ozzie Guillen
Not going to happen. I don’t mean to spark a race conversation here, so don’t take this for more than it is: the Braves next coach will be Terry Pendleton or another black coach. Hank Aaron still carries a lot of weight around the Braves organization and he seems to be firmly in TP’s corner. The only way the Braves can not give TP the job and avoid a publicity issue is to hire black manager. Just my opinion. I’m all for Fredi Gonzalez personally.
Lew
April 25th, 2010
4:38 pm
al-Yeah. Too bad it took him three years away from Atlanta and another 1 1/2 years while with the Braves to come to that conclusion.
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:39 pm
BAM!
Danga
April 25th, 2010
4:39 pm
A slimmer Andruw is getting the last laugh.
I wouldn’t go that far. If they had Andruw in the OF for the last few seasons that would have given them 2 of the worst everyday outfielders in baseball rather than just 1 of them. But I do wish him well.
Pete
April 25th, 2010
4:39 pm
Jeffrey, Im not in the camp who blames all hitting woes on TP. Just dont believe AJ is a good example of TP doing a good job, thats all.
Danga
April 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
You really think that Salty? I don’t really buy that. Seems like Wren has never been very concerned with ruffling feathers.
nolie
April 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
don’t agree with you on that Salty Dawg. Might be but a very good chance it won’t be either
jeffrey d
April 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
Pete – I only brought up Andruw because NMB did. He’s not the best example, but he is one example of players who’ve had success under TP
Lew
April 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
Pete- Considering tat Andruw sucked pretty badly for two years in LA with a different hitting coach and then pretty much sucked for a year in Texas with Jaramillo, who is considered one of the best hitting coaches, who’s the problem? TP or AJ?
Tom
April 25th, 2010
4:42 pm
Dye would is not playing because he wanted to much money, he turned down $4,000,000 from the nats, reportedly at the end of spring training. he’s also 36 years old.
Using andruw as an example of TP’s success is flawed. andruw remained pull happy and strikeout prone in 2005. Merv Rhettman i don’t know how he did it got andruw to hit .303 in 2000. 2001 andruw went back to form with a .251 ave.
Bat Masterson
April 25th, 2010
4:42 pm
Joe Torre will be 70 years old this summer. I’d say no to Joe.
Tomahawkin
April 25th, 2010
4:42 pm
Its odd the same people who ran A. Jones out of town want him back…I guess thats how bad our offense is…
Mad Mike
April 25th, 2010
4:42 pm
nolie – then why do we need a hitting coach?
Salty Dawg
April 25th, 2010
4:42 pm
You really think that Salty? I don’t really buy that. Seems like Wren has never been very concerned with ruffling feathers.
I’d love to be proven wrong, but that’s how I see it going down. I will be shocked (pleasantly) if TP isn’t your opening day manager next year.
Danga
April 25th, 2010
4:43 pm
Just dont believe AJ is a good example of TP doing a good job, thats all.
And that is the point. Andruw had good years w/TP and awful years w/TP. I just don’t think hitting coaches have that much effect on hitters at the major league level.
Lew
April 25th, 2010
4:43 pm
Tomahawkin-For once, I agree with you on that.