McGuirk: Braves payroll hasn’t been, won’t be slashed

Braves CEO Terry McGuirk refuted a published report that said the team reduced its player payroll by 13 percent since last season, and McGuirk also said he doesn’t think Liberty Media will sell the team for some time.

USA Today reported that the Braves began the 2010 season with a $84.4 million payroll.

“That’s not right,” McGuirk said of the figure, about $6 million below what Braves officials had indicated the payroll to be. “That [$84.4 million] doesn’t even make any sense, from an accounting standpoint.

“They’re drawing off of some database that MLB [Major League Baseball has, and whatever snapshot they got, that's not correct. Our [payroll] will have a 9 in front of it.”

The Braves did not announce a specific 2009 payroll amount, and said only that it was between $92 million and $95 million. Making it difficult for others to calculate a 2009 payroll total for the Braves were midseason trades and an unknown insurance payout for Tim Hudson’s salary while he was on the disabled list for most of the season.

This year’s 25-man opening-day roster salaries totaled about $85 million, but the Braves’ own accounting adds several million dollars for incentives that team officials believe Troy Glaus and Takashi Saito are likely to earn, and about $1 million for reliever Scott Proctor, who’s currently finishing his elbow-surgery rehab at Class AAA Gwinnett.

It’s believed the Braves’ own payroll calculation also includes a prorated portion of a $1.25 million buyout on a 2012 option for Nate McLouth — a $10.65 million option.

McGuirk was asked Sunday if the Braves consider their 2010 payroll roughly the same as the team’s 2009 total.

“Yes,” he said, adding that if there was a decline, it was “minimal.

“Our goal would be … there’s no reduction in payroll planned,” McGuirk said. “Payrolls jump around a little bit during the year, but our payroll predominantly is going to be a $90 million-plus payroll.

“That’s where we want it to be. We think that’s about the sweet spot for our organization. That’s how we budget, that’s how we project.”

The Braves have missed the playoffs four consecutive years and home attendance last season was the lowest since the team moved to Turner Field. Still, McGuirk said the Braves insisted the Braves weren’t looking at trimming payroll to cut costs.

“Attendance was down across the league, and everybody probably had to take a hard look at costs,” he said. “But we’re here to win right now. That’s the best way to get revenues up. In our situation, this town is just dying for a winner. That’s the big accelerator to revenues, if we can produce a winner this thing will take off.”

Liberty Media Corp. purchased the Braves from Time Warner in 2007, and Liberty officials do not have direct involvement in the team’s day-to-day operations. Liberty leaves it to McGuirk to oversee those duties.

The Braves’ payroll limits are not set by Liberty but by McGuirk in consultation with other team officials, he has said.

One condition of Liberty’s purchase was that it agreed to retain ownership of the Braves at least through baseball’s current collective bargaining agreement, which runs through the 2011 season.

McGuirk reiterated Sunday, that Liberty officials have not indicated any plans to sell the team once they’re permitted to do so next year.

“Our results of operating the team have been better than they expected,” he said. “Their goals are to hold indefinitely. The tax basis that causes them to be conservative about when and if they ever sell is almost now sort of irrelevant. I think they’re just enjoying it.”

57 comments Add your comment

Hughdaman

April 18th, 2010
4:53 pm

BravesFanChris25

April 18th, 2010
4:54 pm

the cox man

April 18th, 2010
5:06 pm

15 rbi s for Heyward it is so much FU N watching him play

GetwhatUpayfor

April 18th, 2010
5:34 pm

Sorry MeQuirk but I don’t believe a word you say. Have no respect for you are Liberty.

Hess

April 18th, 2010
5:48 pm

Nice try mcguirk. I think you use the same fuzzy our president does. Melky+Nate+Troy does not equal NL East title. Hayword for pres.!!!!

Reid Adair

April 18th, 2010
5:54 pm

Just like Frank Wren, I don’t believe a word that Terry McGuirk says. Why would MLB make things up?

I just wish he was lying when he said Liberty Media won’t be selling the team anytime soon.

rob c.

April 18th, 2010
6:00 pm

Lying to fans will not generate more fans. In the old days we would go out and add a McGriff or a Grisssom. Now we cannot. I am not trying to spend someone else’s money, but don’t tell me your spending money when you are not. Glaus getting an incentive clause…a prorated share of a 2012 expense…do they still have Bruce Sutter on their books? Who are these guys Arthur Anderson?

voiceoflogic

April 18th, 2010
6:03 pm

did u doubters read the article? He took into account incentives that players might, hopefully achieve. Those + a buyout for Nate Mclouth will increase the payroll to 90 million ish

rob c.

April 18th, 2010
6:11 pm

Yes, I read the article…but what is Glaus’ incentive clause? That he hit .100 this year? Are we prorating the expense of our signing bonus for our 2012 first round draft choice? I think Stan Kasten took Mike Hampton’s salary to Washington and is still trying to write it off as a loss.

joe jones

April 18th, 2010
6:15 pm

Save money, release Glaus. Call up Freeman, play Hinske, Glaus is terrible, leads the league in runners left on base

northbeach Scott

April 18th, 2010
6:19 pm

Always be cautious of any numbers the numb-nuts at USAToday print. Ofter either wrong or out of context, often happens when one tries to drive a political agenda.

Not sure what Liberty and McGuirk have done that merits such distain and distrust from some of you. The Braves are wise to not be crystal clear on their budget as it would be imprudent to tip your hand. Surely none of you are so ignorant as to think signing Johnny Dammon for a 2yr $15-16M deal would have been a good idea. Not sure where else the Braves would have spent with $5-10M extra.

Liberty will not sell until after 2011, might hold it might not, too soon to tell. Not any big deal.

Monger

April 18th, 2010
6:22 pm

voice of logic- you are missing the point while you rail the doubters as you call them. McGuirk is not INCREASING payroll to stay competitive, yes he may techinically add it up with bonuses and incentives to just barely hit 90 million, but right now it is true that are payroll is around the mid 80 million range without these “bonuses” and “incentives”. CBS sports has our opening day payroll at 84.4 million, 15th in the majors. That is 15th out of 30 major league baseball teams, pretty much dead in the middle in terms of spending. This means that 14 major league teams outspend us, and by my calculations there are 4 playoff spots in each league, 8 total. Now, just because 14 teams spend more than us doesnt garauntee they will be better than us, but lets look at the top 4 spenders, and you tell me if they are not all in at least the top 10 most likely to make the world series….
1. Yankees
2. Red Sox
3. Cubs
4. Phillies

The 5th is the Mets, and well, due to poor management and salary decisions they are not a contender despite having a 132 million dollar payroll, but the fact remains that you have a better chance in this league if you spend money, which we used to due when Ted Turner owned us, and will do again once Arthur Blank buys the Braves from Liberty. Teams like the twins and rays are exceptions to the rule, and having a payroll that ranks 15th, will most likely produce another 3rd place finish in the division, and at best an 85-90 win season…

Monger

April 18th, 2010
6:32 pm

North beach Scott- I dont think the Johnny Damon deal would have strategically been good either. But I think you miss the point in how McGuirk and Liberty have messed up payroll in the limited amount of money Liberty is willing to spend, which is barely more at 84 million, than Kansas City’s payroll of 72 million. We have to be wise with every penny if we want to compete at 84 million, similar to the twins (97 mil) and rockies (84 mil). McGuirk and Co. invested almost 30 million of that in 2 aging veterans- Derek Lowe and Chipper Jones. Chipper is hitting .214 last time I checked (prior to todays game) and Derek Lowe, while he is 3-0 has a 4.67 ERA, and we are paying 30 million (over a third of our payroll) for just these two guys….need I go on??

MitchC

April 18th, 2010
7:15 pm

According to the Sporting News baseball 2010 magazine, the Braves 2009 payroll was 96.7 million. I don;t know where they got that figure from.. but.

If USA today is correct in their assessment, the 84 mil payroll represents a more than 15 percent reduction in payroll.

As our team is currently constructed, I think we have a decent product. (Despite my friend Mark Bradley’s thoughts to the contrary). Wagner has looked excellent so far. The starting pitching has been very good, and Heyward is amazing.

The big bugaboo so far, and I don’t mean to keep picking on him, is Glaus. If he doesn’t start hitting for average and power, we have to wonder if we would have any flexibility to add a power bat at the trade deadline, if we are in the wild card and division races.

It’s very early, so hopefully the pitching and Heyward will continue to flourish as they have been, and hopefully Troy will really start hitting, and become the productive first baseman we need.

I don’t know who gets their figures from where, but, the only real way to add it up, would be to publish the salaries of the entire roster of the 2010 Braves, active and disabled, and add it all up.

Jo in Hall

April 18th, 2010
7:26 pm

Everyone just hang on until 2011 and let’s hope that Liberty Media does sell the Braves to an indiviual. Maybe then we’ll get an owner who will spend the big bucks to get us a team like we had in ‘95.
And with that said…..the team does look pretty good this season. We just needed a change in coaches…..Terry Pendelton is not a hitting coach and Chuck McDowell doesn’t know how to advise Bobby when to take a pitcher out like Leo did. Also, need a more directing bench coach.

Chris

April 18th, 2010
7:29 pm

McGuirk flat out lied. it is suppose to be BASED on the 25 man roster payroll, not on prorated and signing bonuses. incentives, yes. but MLB are mentioning the team’s 25 man opening day roster payroll, which is LOWER than last year’s. McGuirk knows what MLB is being based on with the payroll situation. He has not been very good promoter for the braves to say the least so far, and it’s very frustating having to hear these comments from him.

L.B. 4 the Braves

April 18th, 2010
8:12 pm

Jo in Hall……..
WTF is Chuck McDowell? I think you are referring to Roger McDowell. You are right about one thing though, TP is a terrible hitting coach. Just ask Jeff Francoeur. Have you seen his numbers lately? Go J-Hey!!!!

Bravesfan

April 18th, 2010
8:48 pm

Monger,

Unfortunately sports teams have to be run as a business. While the Steinbrenners might be willing to lose millions of dollars each year, most other teams have to be fiscally responsible and can’t spend in salary more than they are bringing in in revenue. Beyond that, the Yankees undoubtedly generate more money than any other team in the Majors as well, so they can afford to spend more as well.

One thing fans should consider: it’s tough to criticize a team for not spending enough money when fans are not buying up tickets and contributing to the revenue of the team. Since you pointed to the Braves being 15th on the payroll list (which, as is being discussed here, likely underestimates where the Braves should actually stand), I thought it would be interesting to look at attendance figures and see how that list compares. Sure enough, the Braves were exactly 15th in the leage last year in home attendance. See the link below:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2009

Of course you will notice that those top 4 teams you mentioned are all in the top 8 for attendance (and Boston is only so low because Fenway is small). It’s easy to criticize McGuirk and the Braves for not spending enough money, but the fact is they can only spend as much as they have coming in.

Also, you criticize the Braves for signing Chipper and Lowe, and you rightfully point out that if a team is working with a budget, it puts more of a requirement on being correct on a player any time the team gives out a big contract. For Chipper, it’s tough to fault the Braves too much when he was coming off of a batting title and he was the face of the franchise and really still is although likely won’t be for long. I can make an argument from either a baseball or a loyalty perspective that he deserved that contract, and we can still hold out hope that he lives up to it with a couple of good years.

As for Lowe, my question would be what else should the Braves have done last year? Sit on the money? Last year was a situation where the Braves had money to spend and they ended up signing the best available pitcher. Yes, he’s been somewhat disappointing, but he won 15 games last year and he’s sitting at 3-0 again this year. If the Braves had decided to pass on Lowe and any other available free agents last year to “be wise with every penny”, you and some of the other posters would undoubtedly be blasting them even further for not spending enough. They had money to spend within the budget, and they spent it on the best available pitcher, and honestly things have not turned out too bad. Hopefully he can start pitching even better and bring his ERA down to an area where it matches his win totals.

Jeff R

April 18th, 2010
8:59 pm

I’ll bet a bushel of Heyward bobble heads that Liberty Media puts the Braves on the block following the 2011 season. Liberty Media’s core business is, of course, communications, not sports. Execs at Liberty Media will take a close look at the company’s longer term needs and see if the revenue from a Braves’ sale helps meet those needs.

Fred

April 18th, 2010
9:01 pm

The bottom line is we needed a legit right handed power hitter at 1st base or left field, but the Braves again shopped at the dollar store and picked up Glaus (he is this year’s Garret Anderson). Once again, a major void left unfilled. Frankly, I would rather see a full rebuilding effort as opposed to this half-a$$ed hole-plugging that hasn’t worked for several years.

The Bottom Line

April 18th, 2010
9:35 pm

As long as fans show up for a product that won’t contend for a championship and help line Liberty’s pockets, then Liberty is not going to increase payroll, nor will they be inclined to sell that product if they are making money on it.

The Bottom Line

April 18th, 2010
9:39 pm

Liberty’s core business is “making money,” no matter what product they make profits from.

Greg in TN

April 18th, 2010
9:59 pm

Not a big surprise here. Braves will typically always look at the incentives that will likely vest in determining what their yearly payroll will be, plus what the payroll figure will be early in the year will very often not be the same once the year ends with roster moves, trades and the like. The Braves do not have the same revenue streams that the Chicago, New York and LA teams enjoy, so the idea of looking at payroll in the terms that they do is the prudent thing to do.

I don’t know whether Liberty sells the team short term or long term, however should Liberty decide to sell, having the Braves go to an individual isn’t necessarily a slam dunk good idea. Really depends on the person, and their financial resources. Blank may or may not be spread thin with his ownership of the Falcons in a sport that will not have a salary cap this year. Turner no longer has the money or the desire to jump back in as an owner. It wouldn’t surprise me if Liberty holds onto the team for longer than many think.

welikebaseball2

April 18th, 2010
10:07 pm

Win games & the fans will come. Don’t know how one can say, “Well, hey, we would win more games if we had higher attendance…because we’d have more money to get better players.” It’s not necessarily that we want a bigger budget per say. It’s just that we’re sick of seeing a limited budget blown on non-productive/injury-prone/leftover players. Again, win & the fans will come.

ANTI-NEGATIVE GUY

April 18th, 2010
10:36 pm

Bunch of jeerks posting here. What the hell do ya’ll know. Some people just like to shoot their mouths off.

Realist

April 18th, 2010
10:41 pm

Liberty will put the team up for sale in 2011. Take that to the bank.

Mike McDonald

April 18th, 2010
11:30 pm

Adam Wainwright, Mike Schmidt and Jason Marquis vis a vis Milkey Cabrera, Nate McLouth and Troy Glaus speaks volumes about the managerial incompetence of Terry McGuirk.

ANTI-POSITIVE GUY

April 18th, 2010
11:35 pm

This blog is set up so anti-positive people can express themselves in a safe environment. The Braves do stink. I hope liberty media sells them as soon as possible next year. It doesn’t really matter what the budget is as long as the players and coaches stink too. Glauss and Melky are not worth a cent. KK and Jo Jo have continued being horrendous from 2009. Now that Jo Jo is on the DL maybe he can be dumped. As far as bravesfan writes if fans don’t come then the team makes less money. The reverse is if the team plays well, then the fans will return. Last year I had a series of tickets in a package. This year I’m staying home unless they improve.
They are not going to get a cent from me.

Youngerthan Thatnow

April 19th, 2010
1:39 am

I don’t know of another blog anywhere where one can go to and find people with more baseball sense, business sense, financial accountability, psychology experts and mathematical geniuses than right here on the ole AJC baseball blog overseen by Mr. O’Brien, and occasionally by the lovely Ms. Rodgers. (Sorry DOB… you just don’t fit in well with my latter adjective of you two great wordsmiths.) But here, you can get it all and from experts in every field.

I’m humbled to even be able to read such expertise.

ScottBravesfan

April 19th, 2010
2:16 am

Perhaps if people in Atlanta actually, oh I don’t know, attended games they could up the payroll. But when you have Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesdays all with 2 for the price of 1 ticket days and you still can’t get decent attendance numbers during the week then why should you spend more money? The payroll is in the mid 90s, which is low for a big market like Atlanta. But unfortunately the Atlanta sports fan doesn’t act like a large market when attending games. Atlanta supports the Georgia Bulldogs when they are good and they sometimes support the Braves but most of the time the Braves attendance is down until the summer months when the regional fans can start coming to games. That’s not how a major market should act.

ScottBravesfan

April 19th, 2010
2:20 am

welikebaseball2,

That doesn’t work in Atlanta. The Braves won for 14 straight years and couldn’t sell out playoff games and had attendance drop every year. The Braves still have good attendance, drawing 2 million+ fans a year for the last 19 years is a really good feat that only the Dodgers have topped but how big a market Atlanta is the Braves should be drawing 3 million fans every year. Especially how cheap the Braves tickets are and the buy one get one free that they do three nights a week. The attendance should be way higher. You have to remember Atlanta is a bigger market than cities like Boston and St.Louis and Philadelphia is not much bigger and Philly does not have the regional fan base like the Braves do. The Braves get killed by the local fan base.

But the Braves are not the only team in Atlanta to have this problem. Their situation is a lot better than say the Falcons, Hawks, and Thrashers. The Hawks could not sell out a playoff game on a Saturday afternoon. That is just sad. And a metro area of 5 million people can’t sell out 8 Falcons games a year.

Mc Jerk Lies

April 19th, 2010
4:40 am

McJerk lies. He’s the one who set up the deal with Liberty (instead of Arthur Blank). He receives a huge FREAKIN bonus for keeping the payroll as low as possible in exchange for taking heat from us fans by spinning (lying) to everyone. Blank did not make this offer. Period.
Why else would he say that Liberty doesn’t set payroll? So, McJerk, are you saying WE could have a $200 milliom payroll and could have kept Teixeira? Please…
PLEASE STEP DOWN. You’re a liar who gets huge money for covering Liberty. All the while by klling our team. Go F yourself

Tim

April 19th, 2010
7:36 am

Please Liberty sell our Braves to someone anyone that cares. You have showed since you took over the team that you are willing to put any money into this team, you don’t care about winning or the fans. So please sell the Atlanta Braves.

gayle

April 19th, 2010
8:17 am

Remember how nice it was to see the man who owned the team sitting in his box next to the dugout? When this man who be accountable for the performance of the team? Does Liberty even have a seat at Turner Field? Has anyone ever seen or heard of any of the Liberty people pulling McGuirk’s strings even attending a game?

Turning Turner Field into a sports version of Six Flags might also have something to do with declining attendance. There was a time that the chop and the chant would unnerve opponents at the ‘Ted. Now, it is old, stale and boring.

The 90’s and the memorable run are history. Let’s move on!

Bravesfan

April 19th, 2010
8:28 am

For the people criticizing the Braves for managerial incompetence, you have to remember that McGuirk and Scheurholtz were the same people presiding over the baseball side of things for a record 14 consecutive division championships. Obviously, Wren has been brought into the fold, and you can criticize him, but the fact of the matter is the front office is just doing what they can with a fairly reasonable budget. $90+M is not a tiny payroll for a team that only brings in 29,000 fans a game, and the front office has used that budget to field a team that most predictions have making the playoffs.

In a perfect world, I would love to have an owner that was willing to spend whatever it takes to win. That said, taking things as they are and looking at the current state of the Braves, who are a legitimate contender this year, I just don’t understand what the big urge is to rip the ownership and the front office.

Algenis

April 19th, 2010
8:49 am

I feel like Liberty is running this team as a business. And what I mean by that is winning is second and getting tax write off is more important. Yes, the Twins and the Rays are the exeptions in this league and in order to compete your payroll needs to be at least over $100 million. How much better would the Braves be with an additional $10-15million to spend on players?

Signing Troy Glaus and getting Melky is not the answer. The numbers spk for them selves. We need a winner now. If you can’t commit to winning sell the team. Please.

Rick

April 19th, 2010
8:54 am

Who des McGuirk think he’s kidding? You don’t build a winner with players off the scrap heap. He spent nothing over the winter, and dumped salary and talent for even mor scrap. He can manipulate accounting all he wants, but the $84 mil is a lot closer to the truth than his blarney. This is a second rate team with a faded star, a rookie heaped with pressure, and an over-rated pitching staff. (Lowe, Hudson, and Kawakami – over the long haul – aren’t going to get anybody out). The news, if true, that Liberty plans to keep the Braves over the long term is horrifying. Start planning the ostrich races.

nation

April 19th, 2010
9:33 am

haha why don’t you guys pick up an accounting or finance book before claiming to be accounting experts

PMC

April 19th, 2010
9:42 am

Terry Mcguirk doesn’t really have much credibility when it comes to this kind of thing because they have said for the last several years money wasn’t an issue and they could go get anyone they wanted…. yet players they targeted went elsewhere for more money and payroll has come down every single season. I have no doubt the payroll figures will be over 90M but the idea they aren’t on a reduced budget is simply a fallacy. They are trying to win with scouting and youth. Nothing wrong with that approach at all they just don’t want potential ticket sales to suffer by announcing that they are cutting payroll.

PMC

April 19th, 2010
9:44 am

The good news now is that they should be a very good team while being financially sound and HOPEFULLY Liberty Media will sell the freaking team now get a good deal and then never EVER show thier faces in Atlanta again.

Jeff

April 19th, 2010
9:48 am

Reading this article makes me wish Arthur Blank or Mark Cuban were our owners. Liberty Media is garbage. I was getting ready to celebrate big time in 2011 when they sold the team. Guess I can hold off buying the bubbly for a little while now.

welikebaseball2

April 19th, 2010
9:57 am

ScottBravesfan: I agree with your 2:20 am post. In reference to your 2:16 am post, I’m not fussing about management’s inability to “raise payroll.” It only makes logical sense that it can’t be raised without greater revenue (i.e. ticket sales). As I stated previously, I’m not interested in a bigger budget per say. I simply don’t agree with blaming the lack of playoff appearances on attendance. Again, my main problem is what’s done with the limited budget…not the fact that it’s limited.

CraZyTRaDeMaN

April 19th, 2010
12:08 pm

Mike McDonald

April 18th, 2010
11:30 pm
Adam Wainwright, Mike Schmidt and Jason Marquis vis a vis Milkey Cabrera, Nate McLouth and Troy Glaus speaks volumes about the managerial incompetence of Terry McGuirk.

WTF did McGuirk have to do with Mike Schmidt???? You mean Jason Schmidt??? Real good examplees of two bad trades you idiot. The Jason Schmidt trade was a good trade we got Neagle in that trade he was 20-5 with an 2.?? ERA and made the All star game. If we had not made the Wainwright, Marquis, King trade for JD Drew and Eli Morerro we would not have made the playoffs. Hated to lose Wainwright but happy to lose Marquis. And to better prove my point that you are an idiot Terry Mcguirk worked for TBS from 79 to 2001. He was not even involved in the Schmidt Trade. And if you have problems with trades it is John Schuerholtz you should hate on. McGuirk was Pres no involvement in players that was all on Schuerholtz.

Also love how people pick out all the trades they think were bad and ignore the good ones.

LostCause

April 19th, 2010
1:08 pm

People, find something better to do with your time. We are two weeks in and are 7-5. That’s a 94 win season. What’s your problem. At least give it to game 53 (i.e. around early June after we have hosted the Phillies twice) before you sell out the season.

Disco Stew

April 19th, 2010
2:03 pm

McGuirk should smell what he is shoveling.

If the goal was to win “right now” we wouldn’t have Melky & Diaz manning LF (no offense Matt) and a reclamation project at 1B who was suppose the be the big power RH bat we needed to shore up the middle of the batting order.

Bottom line – if Heyward or Prado gets hurt or slumps this team folds like a deck chair. You should have more insurance for your season than a 20yo rookie and a 2B when you are spending in the 90s.

Nice try McGuirk but even your mom is not buying what you just spewed out. I suspect Liberty will put this team on the market the first day they can in 2011.

They are a media company who can do more useful things with say 700mm in cash than have in sunk into a mid market ball club.

What are they enjoying McGuirk? Spending 85-96mm a year to come in 3-4th place and according to JS with almost not net profit. Yes I am sure they are loving every minute of it.

Wow. Just wow.

gayle

April 19th, 2010
4:08 pm

Well said Stew! If the goal is to sell (as it surely is), do you think McGuirk would do anything but praise this team?

I’ll believe otherwise when I see John Malone (Liberty CEO) sitting in Ted’s box at the Ted and staying for the full 9 innings.

Disco Stew

April 19th, 2010
4:52 pm

Thanks Gayle.

We don’t need absentee owners as Mr. McGuirk waxes poetic over at times. We need interested and invested owners who have a passion for Braves baseball and a deep desire to win.

Rarely do you find such owners especially on the corporate side.

McGuirk thinks he is the cat bird seat with this setup but the results and declining attendance says otherwise.

Many fans fail to see the “Sweet Spot” McGuirk believes he has uncovered.

He should have called it an accounting sweet spot that will facilitate the sale of this team in 2011. ;)

I love this team and I want them to win every night. I know the players are working hard to this end as well but it gets my neck hairs up when a suit tries to sell sh_t as shine-ola.

McGuirk is not throwing this team the bone it needs to win, b/c he is loyal to CO not ATL fans.

steve h

April 19th, 2010
5:48 pm

CBS sports has our opening day payroll at 84.4 million, 15th in the majors. That is 15th out of 30 major league baseball teams, pretty much dead in the middle in terms of spending.

by this logic, the Yankees and the Sox (the stinky Red kind) should win every year. No doubt they are competative every year but there’s absolutely no relationship in payroll and success. Look at the 2009 NY Mets. Second highest payroll in 2009 and half of those high payouts were on the DL most of the year. NY Yankees, ok, so last year worked out but that’s no sure thing every year.

steve h

April 19th, 2010
5:52 pm

…and one more thing: The only thing I’m pissed over is the fact that we are no longer owned by Ted Turner. No matter what his whacky politics are, he’s one great business man. Atlanta Braves Baseball was coast-to-coast when he owned TBS and now look at us. I wish do wish we had a local owner with the same business savvy and deep pockets. Those were the good ol’ days.

bravesfanforever

April 19th, 2010
9:11 pm

Interesting that the topic only discusses payroll for the past two years… Well, my friends, if you look at the payroll for the past 10 YEARS you will see that it hasn’t changed much. It’s gone up and down but it’s averaged around $92 million. Given the fact that all salaries have zoomed up considerably I’d say that the Braves have been sinking in their “buying” power.

Essentially, the Braves management has been CUTTING the payroll by not keeping up with the times.

Stumpknocker

April 19th, 2010
9:26 pm

Yes those were the good ole days when you could watch the Braves anywhere on TBS….and now too often they are on Peeeeechhhhhh treeee tv.

Necromancer

April 19th, 2010
10:42 pm

mmm hmmmm… I used to get blasted for criticizing the “so called ownership.”

Liberty Media has done nothing but cheapen this once proud franchise.

Sell the damn team, Liberty…enoughs enough!!!

TJ

April 20th, 2010
11:48 am

This is such a joke – the Braves havent cut the payroll. The Braves have absolutely no bats other than Jones, Heyward, and McCann. In the past, the Braves went out and got players like Fred McGriff, Marquis Grissom, and Kenny Lofton to make the team better. This offseason we got Hinske and Glaus. Does anyone see the difference?

The J-Hey Kid

April 20th, 2010
11:03 pm

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Go Bravos!!!!

Ted

April 21st, 2010
10:10 am

“There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!”

“They’re not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion … they are trying to sell to the others an illusion.”

Now this.

Sorry, but give information on the incentives out to let the public know whether you are justified in including them or not. But to use corporate accounting to “justify” or support some argument that actual payroll is higher is about as believable as Baghdad Bob.

Fact – actual payroll is in the mid-80 million range which is less than less year by 13%. It is irrelevant to fans what “might” happen unless we know the likelihood of it happening. If Glaus needs 30 HR to get that incentive, then most fans will consider it unlikely regardless of whether the team says it is “likely” – and this incentive was just an accounting tactic by the team to say they spent the money even though it never actually gets spent. Same with Hinske and Saito incentives.

And if they’re including McLouth’s 2012 buyout? Please – that goes into 2012 payroll, not 2010.

ugaaccountant

April 21st, 2010
7:00 pm

As an accountant, McGuirk and crew have been misleading the fans here. He’s not flat out lying, but he’s not using the accepted methods of calculating payroll in MLB.

Bo

April 26th, 2010
2:17 pm

Take a look at the Total Lack Of Giveways for fans this year!! (Wow, Schedule Magnets) Last year was bad, this year is worse!! Hey Braves Management (or lack thereof) giveaways bring fans and families to the park……get it?????? If you don’t believe me, check a few other MLB Sites, their giveaways, and there attendance. Winning Baseball + Giveaways = Fans in the park!!

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